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Colorado4Wheel
03-31-2011, 18:10
Well now that the LnL is on its way back to Mother Hornady I needed to make some ammo. Lizard was kind enough to rework his press so that I could load my lead loads on his press. His setup is very custom. Custom Powder Measure, Redding Pro Seating die. The works. Might as well just say it. 1050's are pretty awesome. Not pushing to prime is very nice. The entire machine is much easier to use then the other machines because you exert no energy pushing to prime. For high volume this is a big deal. Shorter runs it wouldn't matter. Indexing is very nice because you can control the speed of the indexing by how fast you push the handle at the very end of the upward stroke. Besides that I made a huge boo boo loading about 200 rds using his FCD without even knowing it. I will shoot them. Last time I check this bullet/oal combo with my FCD it was sizing my bullets. But now I have 200 rds I have to shoot so I will know the result soon enough. I need to size 500 more bullets and I will have 1500 rds loaded which lately will last me a little while. Even without the need for swaging the press is worth it if you really do want the nicest press you can get. Wish I could afford it.

GioaJack
03-31-2011, 18:16
Since when does 800 plus 500 equal 1500? Is that more of that flatlander math?


Jack

ron59
03-31-2011, 18:26
I noticed that number inconsistency also.

Hey Steve... I thought you had gotten your priming problem fixed with the new shellplate. I guess I missed something, why are you having to ship it back to Hornady ?

Colorado4Wheel
03-31-2011, 18:32
Sized about 1K, Loaded 800 of those, Need to size another 500. Load the remaining will be about 1500 rounds. Geez.

I was still getting tipping cases from the case feeder. Figured out it's not me but the damn machine. Primer is catching as it goes over the spring. Primers are very hard to seat as well. It's just a PITA and I am sick of it.

WiskyT
03-31-2011, 19:07
Regarding bullet sizing, C.E. Ed Harris has written about using unsized bullets and then using a FCD to ensure the loaded rounds chamber. This was in an article he wrote about 32ACP. You could try it on Lizard's setup while your trying new things.

Colorado4Wheel
03-31-2011, 19:12
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r215/98sr20ve/DSC_3317.jpg

Thats my load just seating in a FCD. 147 gr, .357 sizer, 1.080 OAL. It barely goes into the FCD at all.

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r215/98sr20ve/DSC_3318.jpg

Thats a 124 gr MG, 9mm bullet, 1.130 OAL. It nearly falls into the die all the way with out resistance.

I will shoot them but I am not holding out much hope they will work that well.

XDRoX
03-31-2011, 23:14
I'm interested in a 1050 as well. How many stations does it have? If it has more than 5, why so many? What do you do with the extra stations?

Boxerglocker
03-31-2011, 23:36
I'm interested in a 1050 as well. How many stations does it have? If it has more than 5, why so many? What do you do with the extra stations?

8 stations, I'm interested too..... I just can't afford one at $1700 and justify it. Maybe one day.... definately not a machine you want to do alot of conversions on. I'd love to have that deswaging station though.

XDRoX
03-31-2011, 23:38
8 stations, I'm interested too..... I just can't afford one at $1700 and justify it. Maybe one day.... definately not a machine you want to do alot of conversions on. I'd love to have that deswaging station though.

A swaging station, that does sound interesting even for 9mm. I didn't know it had this. Id like to see a video of one running. Sounds like a really cool machine. I'd love to learn more about it.

Boxerglocker
03-31-2011, 23:45
A swaging station, that does sound interesting even for 9mm. I didn't know it had this. Id like to see a video of one running. Sounds like a really cool machine. I'd love to learn more about it.

I've loaded on one a few times... the primer seating on the down stroke is awesome.... I will I would have held out instead of the 650 on one hand but them again the cost of conversions would have pushed it to 2 grand for 2 calibers.

Streetking
04-01-2011, 01:11
that's some ugly brass. perhaps you should polish it.

kshutt
04-01-2011, 04:31
Sized about 1K, Loaded 800 of those, Need to size another 500. Load the remaining will be about 1500 rounds. Geez.

I was still getting tipping cases from the case feeder. Figured out it's not me but the damn machine. Primer is catching as it goes over the spring. Primers are very hard to seat as well. It's just a PITA and I am sick of it.

You know you want that 1050 bad, Steve. Sell your least "loved" pistol and the red beast when it returns. You'll be back on the road to happy days again. :supergrin:

kshutt
04-01-2011, 04:35
I've loaded on one a few times... the primer seating on the down stroke is awesome.... I will I would have held out instead of the 650 on one hand but them again the cost of conversions would have pushed it to 2 grand for 2 calibers.

Boxer, is there that much of an advantage over your 650 with all things considered?

shotgunred
04-01-2011, 05:02
I have never used one. I was thinking about buying one last year but you can buy two 650 for the price of one 1050. With a hornady bullet feeder you should be able to knock out 1500 rounds an hour on the 650.

Colorado4Wheel
04-01-2011, 06:54
It's hard to justify from a cost perspective but is so worth it from user perspective. I would not want to do caliber conversions on it very often.

Jim Watson
04-01-2011, 07:55
It's not hard to afford. Don't ask a bunch of strangers on the gunboards what gun to buy when you have money burning a hole in your pocket. Just buy a 1050 instead of a gun or two.

I really like the way it socks the primers home on the downstroke. None of this namby pamby "feel the primer seat" stuff they use to justify the low leverage of their other presses. I feel the primer seat when I single stage and hand prime match rifle ammo.

Hoser
04-01-2011, 08:05
Come to the dark side. We have cookies and 1050s.

shotgunred
04-01-2011, 15:16
Now that just not fair. If I had known you got free cookies with a 1050 I might have bought one instead of the 650.

Anyone want to buy a 650 with less than 1K of use?

GioaJack
04-01-2011, 15:21
Come to the dark side. We have cookies and 1050s.


Dillon 1050's... so easy even a midget can do it! (Sorry... little person. :whistling:)


Jack

Boxerglocker
04-01-2011, 16:16
Boxer, is there that much of an advantage over your 650 with all things considered?

To answer, yes... all things considered other than the price... Now that I'm going to be loading .223 that swaging station sure is appealing.

The extra staions make it IMO quite a bit more versitile. I'm not crying too much though.... I'm happy with my 650. The conversion cost for it is bad enough, a 1050 would just be wayyyy overkill formy needs. I'm trying my hardest to be realisitic here :upeyes:

On the bright side, my leasing agent at my apartment complex just called... fedex dropped of a box from Dillon for me. That means I'll have my super swage and RT1200 trimmer set-up to play with this weekend.

unclebob
04-01-2011, 17:00
For many of years I have pondered in getting a 1050, and still do. But then being realistic, a 1050 is really a one caliber of your choosing press, set up with no changes being made to it. So then you would need another press to do everything else. But just like when I was into skeet shooting and shooting and reloading for all 4 gauges. I bought two Mec 650 in 12 and 20 gauges. And two Mec 700 in 28 and 410. I hated the Mec 700 to slow. So I sold them and bought two more 650. So I look at this the same way. Whatever the 1050 would not load I would hate to load anything else. Whereas the Dillon 650 does everything I need and I can load everything with just one press. For a whole lot less money.

RustyFN
04-01-2011, 17:16
Since when does 800 plus 500 equal 1500? Is that more of that flatlander math?


Jack

That's new math Jack. I just hope I'm sitting down when Steve comes back and tells us how great the FCD rounds shot. :rofl:

ron59
04-01-2011, 18:33
Dang... thought I had my mind made up that my next press was gonna be a 650 and now I'm back to thinking it might be a 1050.

yeah, that will be setup for 9mm dedicated, and I'll keep the 550B for .45ACP. It'll be slower, but I don't shoot as much .45.

kshutt
04-01-2011, 19:49
Dang... thought I had my mind made up that my next press was gonna be a 650 and now I'm back to thinking it might be a 1050.

yeah, that will be setup for 9mm dedicated, and I'll keep the 550B for .45ACP. It'll be slower, but I don't shoot as much .45.

Ron, you would definitely be the exception to the 650 rule! :supergrin: With your round count, how could you even consider anything but the 1050???

Colorado4Wheel
04-01-2011, 19:56
For many of years I have pondered in getting a 1050, and still do. But then being realistic, a 1050 is really a one caliber of your choosing press, set up with no changes being made to it. So then you would need another press to do everything else. But just like when I was into skeet shooting and shooting and reloading for all 4 gauges. I bought two Mec 650 in 12 and 20 gauges. And two Mec 700 in 28 and 410. I hated the Mec 700 to slow. So I sold them and bought two more 650. So I look at this the same way. Whatever the 1050 would not load I would hate to load anything else. Whereas the Dillon 650 does everything I need and I can load everything with just one press. For a whole lot less money.

Well said, but I still want a 1050.

unclebob
04-01-2011, 19:58
Dang... thought I had my mind made up that my next press was gonna be a 650 and now I'm back to thinking it might be a 1050.

yeah, that will be setup for 9mm dedicated, and I'll keep the 550B for .45ACP. It'll be slower, but I don't shoot as much .45.

The only big thing I can see between the two presses is the primer pocket swager. But if you donít load brass that has crimped primer pockets that is kind of a mute point. The other one that I donít really see is not having to push the handle forward. For about $865.00 difference I think I can do a lot of pushing forward. Plus I can go from 9mm to 45acp in about 8 minutes and only need one press. I think going form a 1050 to a 650 would not be too bad but from a 1050 to a 550 would drive me nuts. But then that is just me. If I should win the lottery I well be placing an order for probably 6 1050ís. Yep I still can dream.

unclebob
04-01-2011, 20:03
Well said, but I still want a 1050.

I fill your pain.:crying: I just wish you would have gotten the 650 instead of the LNL. I do believe you would have been a lot happier.:supergrin: I know for a fact you would have.

Colorado4Wheel
04-01-2011, 20:07
The only big thing I can see between the two presses is the primer pocket swager. But if you donít load brass that has crimped primer pockets that is kind of a mute point. The other one that I donít really see is not having to push the handle forward. For about $865.00 difference I think I can do a lot of pushing forward. Plus I can go from 9mm to 45acp in about 8 minutes and only need one press. I think going form a 1050 to a 650 would not be too bad but from a 1050 to a 550 would drive me nuts. But then that is just me. If I should win the lottery I well be placing an order for probably 6 1050ís. Yep I still can dream.

I couldn't disagree more. Swager is nice. But not pushing to prime is a HUGE plus. The press is just soooo much smoother, so much easier. Lizards is so smooth that it feels like your using 50% the effort. Even when it's running two sizing dies. Not pushing to primer saves a lot of energy as well. Very worth it.

Ron,

If you can afford it you will never be sorry you got the 1050 over the 650. Especially, if you only want it to load 1 caliber.

Colorado4Wheel
04-01-2011, 20:09
I fill your pain.:crying: I just wish you would have gotten the 650 instead of the LNL. I do believe you would have been a lot happier.:supergrin: I know for a fact you would have.

Thats kinda a given at this point. I would have suffered through the over priced caliber conversions. Thats what I get for being cheap.

Boxerglocker
04-01-2011, 20:14
Ron, you would definitely be the exception to the 650 rule! :supergrin: With your round count, how could you even consider anything but the 1050???


The only big thing I can see between the two presses is the primer pocket swager. But if you donít load brass that has crimped primer pockets that is kind of a mute point. The other one that I donít really see is not having to push the handle forward. For about $865.00 difference I think I can do a lot of pushing forward. Plus I can go from 9mm to 45acp in about 8 minutes and only need one press. I think going form a 1050 to a 650 would not be too bad but from a 1050 to a 550 would drive me nuts. But then that is just me. If I should win the lottery I well be placing an order for probably 6 1050ís. Yep I still can dream.

I load 2K a month at the peak of the season months, my so far dedicated 9mm 650 has served me well. Like I said prior, had I know that I would be venturing into .223 that swaging station on the 1050 would have made me think alot harder about it. In all honesty, for me it's just about making it as quick and efficient a process as possible. Thinking about it more though I would probably still need a 650 for the case trimmer anyways so right now it's fine... just gotta save for later.
I just hope Jack put me down me in his will for a chance at a 1050 inheritance :whistling:

unclebob
04-01-2011, 20:16
Granted anything running on bearings is going to be a lot smoother.

Colorado4Wheel
04-01-2011, 20:35
For a while I was loading 1200 rds a week pretty painlessly on my 550. All I did was load 20 mins a day, 5 days a week. It didn't even take 20 mins to get it done. But I could literally come home at 5:40 and load 200 rds before 6pm. Or just load 20 mins after dinner. Add some weekend time and it was easy to keep up with 50k rounds a year of loading. Of course with a good progressive with a casefeeder you load faster for longer and don't have to be as disciplined.

IndyGunFreak
04-02-2011, 01:38
Did you return the LNL (like for a refund) or did you return it so they could figure out what the heck was wrong with it?

1050 and an LCT, thats all you need.. :)

IGF

kshutt
04-02-2011, 04:08
For a while I was loading 1200 rds a week pretty painlessly on my 550. All I did was load 20 mins a day, 5 days a week. It didn't even take 20 mins to get it done. But I could literally come home at 5:40 and load 200 rds before 6pm. Or just load 20 mins after dinner. Add some weekend time and it was easy to keep up with 50k rounds a year of loading. Of course with a good progressive with a casefeeder you load faster for longer and don't have to be as disciplined.

Steve, in all seriousness, brother, maybe I missed something. If you still want to be 'cheap' (your words, not mine :supergrin:) then why don't you just get another 550? I mean, you've praised it many times, and it served you well. If you sell the LNL after it returns from the factory (that's when I sold my red press, as well) could you not use the money to purchase another 550? :dunno: I think your post here is about as gooda' sales pitch for a 550 I've seen in awhile. Just get another one until you're really comfortable with a 1050 purchase. Just my .02 worth.

Colorado4Wheel
04-02-2011, 08:23
I would hate to admit I actually made a bad choice ;) so I can't get another 550. ;)

Colorado4Wheel
04-02-2011, 08:24
Did you return the LNL (like for a refund) or did you return it so they could figure out what the heck was wrong with it?

1050 and an LCT, thats all you need.. :)

IGF

Returned it for repair. They don't have a refund program.

unclebob
04-02-2011, 08:36
Sell it on Ebay.

whenmonkeysfly
04-02-2011, 08:39
To answer, yes... all things considered other than the price... Now that I'm going to be loading .223 that swaging station sure is appealing.

The extra staions make it IMO quite a bit more versitile. I'm not crying too much though.... I'm happy with my 650. The conversion cost for it is bad enough, a 1050 would just be wayyyy overkill formy needs. I'm trying my hardest to be realisitic here :upeyes:

On the bright side, my leasing agent at my apartment complex just called... fedex dropped of a box from Dillon for me. That means I'll have my super swage and RT1200 trimmer set-up to play with this weekend.

Boxer,

Let us know how that RT1200 trimmer works on the 650. I've got a 650 (love it!) and have been thinking about getting the trimmer for my .223 setup. Thanks in Advance!

shotgunred
04-02-2011, 08:51
The 1050 can be yours for just three easy payments of $500 each.


If it makes you feel any better the switch from 550 to 650 has not been painless either. I haven't been able to run 100 rounds yet without some issue involving the case feeding system.

I am still suffering with the over priced caliber conversions on the 650. I have several calibers that I would like to load low volume of less than 500 a year. The cost of 650 caliber conversions has kept me from doing so thus far. I realize that is because I am a cheap bastard but with my wife out of work I just can't spend like I used to.

Colorado4Wheel
04-02-2011, 09:14
The 1050 can be yours for just three easy payments of $500 each.


If it makes you feel any better the switch from 550 to 650 has not been painless either. I haven't been able to run 100 rounds yet without some issue involving the case feeding system.

I am still suffering with the over priced caliber conversions on the 650. I have several calibers that I would like to load low volume of less than 500 a year. The cost of 650 caliber conversions has kept me from doing so thus far. I realize that is because I am a cheap bastard but with my wife out of work I just can't spend like I used to.

Wow, honesty on a forum. Thanks, I do feel better. I hope it comes back fixed. I would be happy if it just worked a little better.

Even the 1050 isn't going to drop every case perfect. I had 1 case drop upside down in the 800 I loaded. It was a easy fix.

phred119
04-02-2011, 09:29
I couldn't disagree more. Swager is nice. But not pushing to prime is a HUGE plus. The press is just soooo much smoother, so much easier. Lizards is so smooth that it feels like your using 50% the effort. Even when it's running two sizing dies. Not pushing to primer saves a lot of energy as well. Very worth it.

Ron,

If you can afford it you will never be sorry you got the 1050 over the 650. Especially, if you only want it to load 1 caliber.

If not pushing to prime is the main thing you're looking for, you could save yourself a ton of money and just buy a LoadMaster :whistling:

unclebob
04-02-2011, 09:34
If not pushing to prime is the main thing you're looking for, you could save yourself a ton of money and just buy a LoadMaster :whistling:

:rofl::rofl:

IndyGunFreak
04-02-2011, 09:57
If not pushing to prime is the main thing you're looking for, you could save yourself a ton of money and just buy a LoadMaster :whistling:

I was gonna post that earlier, but given Steve's previous experience w/ the LoadMaster..lol, I don't think that is even on the radar.

kshutt
04-02-2011, 12:08
Returned it for repair. They don't have a refund program.

I don't blame them. :supergrin:

Hoser
04-02-2011, 13:34
You know what you want.

You know what you need.

If it feels good, just do it.

There is a Dillon Dealer near you...

dudel
04-02-2011, 14:50
Dang... thought I had my mind made up that my next press was gonna be a 650 and now I'm back to thinking it might be a 1050.

yeah, that will be setup for 9mm dedicated, and I'll keep the 550B for .45ACP. It'll be slower, but I don't shoot as much .45.

I NEVER, EVER want to even try a 1050. If I do, I'm afraid one will show up at the door.

I find comfort in the fact that for the number of calibers I do, the caliber conversions would equal the cost of several 550b,

Boxerglocker
04-02-2011, 15:54
Boxer,

Let us know how that RT1200 trimmer works on the 650. I've got a 650 (love it!) and have been thinking about getting the trimmer for my .223 setup. Thanks in Advance!

I'll post my experience soon as I get some time .... got a call to work OT again thid weekend :steamed: Only had a couple of hours to get to my gear and start organizing to convert over and realized I better crank another 1000 of 9mm out first. Gimme a week I'll get to it.

alank2
04-02-2011, 19:34
Hi,

As much as I always want to try other presses, the 550 does all I ask of it. I'm even down to loading one caliber so I've told myself that a 650 or 1050 would be "ideal" since I won't have to do any caliber conversions, but that darn 550 just keeps on loading rounds... It must have been nice to run a 1050 for a bit!!

Thanks,

Alan

ron59
04-02-2011, 21:31
For a while I was loading 1200 rds a week pretty painlessly on my 550. All I did was load 20 mins a day, 5 days a week. It didn't even take 20 mins to get it done. But I could literally come home at 5:40 and load 200 rds before 6pm. Or just load 20 mins after dinner. Add some weekend time and it was easy to keep up with 50k rounds a year of loading. Of course with a good progressive with a casefeeder you load faster for longer and don't have to be as disciplined.

I am managing to "get by" at this point doing similar planning. But I'd really like to be able to sit down for 30 minutes and get 500 cranked out, which is probably realistic with a 1050. So 2 hours (maybe spread into 4 30 minute sessions) yields 2000 rounds.

Boxerglocker
04-02-2011, 21:48
I am managing to "get by" at this point doing similar planning. But I'd really like to be able to sit down for 30 minutes and get 500 cranked out, which is probably realistic with a 1050. So 2 hours (maybe spread into 4 30 minute sessions) yields 2000 rounds.

Even for a XL650 that's easy peasy Ron. I loaded 300 in 25 minutes this morning without trying.

IndyGunFreak
04-03-2011, 02:10
Even for a XL650 that's easy peasy Ron. I loaded 300 in 25 minutes this morning without trying.

Agreed...

I imagine you could also do it on a properly functioning LNL as well... Heck if a LoadMaster worked properly, you could probably get really close to 500 in 30min. The big hangup w/ it would be refilling the casefeeder, which is considerably slower than the "motor" case feeds.

IGF

ron59
04-03-2011, 08:38
Even for a XL650 that's easy peasy Ron. I loaded 300 in 25 minutes this morning without trying.

Bit of a jump to say "300 in 25 minutes" to "500 in 30 minutes", isn't it? Not trying to argue, just saying.

Also... the 2000 per month is my quota for *now*. By next year I'll probably be shooting 3000 per month.... (it's an affordability thing, and I just got new job, salary bump, etc).
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norton
04-03-2011, 09:06
I load 3 calibers principally. The .45ACP, the .45 Colt and .357. It seems to me the sensible thing would be to have three 550's, set up to load only one caliber permanently, rather then investing the same amount of money in a 1050.
Then keep my single stage for the odd caliber I load once in a while. .44 mag, 9mm, .223 and .17.
But watching the videos of the 1050 operate makes it the tool junkies dream.

Colorado4Wheel
04-03-2011, 09:11
Bit of a jump to say "300 in 25 minutes" to "500 in 30 minutes", isn't it? Not trying to argue, just saying.

Also... the 2000 per month is my quota for *now*. By next year I'll probably be shooting 3000 per month.... (it's an affordability thing, and I just got new job, salary bump, etc).
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New job. Just get the 1050. Then add a bullet feeder later. Reality is a bullet fed 650 will be faster then a hand fed 1050. But you can always add a bullet feeder to a 1050 later. It's sick. That is what Hozer has. Watching him pull that handle as fast as he could with both hands was a real eye opener. If I did that to my LnL I would need a blast suit to protect my body from the flying parts.

shotgunred
04-03-2011, 09:54
I am managing to "get by" at this point doing similar planning. But I'd really like to be able to sit down for 30 minutes and get 500 cranked out, which is probably realistic with a 1050. So 2 hours (maybe spread into 4 30 minute sessions) yields 2000 rounds.

When I was writing my which press to by page I asked different people to load on there press and tell me what a honest one hour out put was. Markco from B.E. managed to load a little over 1100 with a 650. He does have a primer tube filler. Several people said they could do that with their 1050 without breaking out a sweat. Markco said that was definitely sweating. None of them were using a bullet feeder. So either a 650 or a 1050 will get you 500 in 30 minutes range. With a bullet feeder you should easily be in the 1600 + round an hour with either press.

Hoser
04-03-2011, 10:32
With a bullet feeder you should easily be in the 1600 + round an hour with either press.

A 650 with a bullet feeder will get you over 1,000 per hour. You might save some time not grabbing a bullet, but you still have to seat the primer.

A 1050 with a bullet feeder will get you around 2,000 an hour. I can easily run 2,800 per hour for the first 10-15 minutes. Then I drift down to 2,000-1,800.

shotgunred
04-03-2011, 18:00
Mark loaded 1100 in a hour without a bullet feeder!
It would have to faster with a bullet feeder. Exactly how much fast it would be with a bullet feeder I can't tell you. But certianly more than his 1100 base line. I can't give you my baseline with a 650 yet as I haven't got all my bugs worked out and am not loading any ware near the ability of the machine.

Popsmoke
04-04-2011, 15:30
I have one each of a 550, 650, and a super 1050.

My decision to get a 1050 was a hard one, but I pickup a lot of range brass. Cant help it, Im a scavenger - why buy what you can get for free?

The down side is: alot of the brass where I pickup is miliary and crimped. This really fouls up a 650. And, I shoot too much 223 to load it on 550.

The 1050 will swage the crimp right out of a 223 and you'll never notice it. And, I can load 1K of 223 in about 90 mins, including filling the primer tubes.

If you buy all your brass and can control it its crimped or not, then maybe you can get away with a 650.

But for me - the 1050 is dedicated to 223. Its a pain to change calibers on a 1050, though, once you do it a few times, its not that big.

The 650 I use for 9mm and 45 - changing the primer assembly from small to larger is not that big a deal. The rest of the caliber change is pretty similar to a 550. If you stay on pistol calibers then you dont have to chage the timing. I buy my 9mm and 45 brass so I buy swaged brass. (Picking up small brass is a PIA)

The 550 is mostly for 308. I scavenge 308 as well but I manually swage that brass.

Boxerglocker
04-04-2011, 15:36
The 1050 can be yours for just three easy payments of $500 each.


If it makes you feel any better the switch from 550 to 650 has not been painless either. I haven't been able to run 100 rounds yet without some issue involving the case feeding system.

I am still suffering with the over priced caliber conversions on the 650. I have several calibers that I would like to load low volume of less than 500 a year. The cost of 650 caliber conversions has kept me from doing so thus far. I realize that is because I am a cheap bastard but with my wife out of work I just can't spend like I used to.

What are you having issues with the case feeder Mike?
The case placement in station one is adjustable and dependant on case placement in station two (primer seating station).
As for the caliber conversion prices you knew that going into it. However as others have attested the caliber conversion is the strength of the 650 if properly adjusted.

Popsmoke
04-04-2011, 15:41
Thinking about rounds per hours ... - sorry, but I dont think this is a real good metric.

You have to stop to fill primer tubes every 100 rounds. Either by hand or have a primer filler. Either way, its not a good idea to race here to bring up the round count.

There invariably will be problems encountered that are not machine related. Have to pee, case is upside down, out of powder, mis-feed, change the music on radio, clear a jam.

Besides, who want to stand there and pull a crank a thousand times? I dont know about you, but I take a break every few hundred rounds or so. My arm gets worn out, and my back hurts from standing there.

If you dont count these influences, then your timing pulling a handle - and one machine is a fast as the next - but how fast can you pull an handle.

I think guaging a machines performance by the following is better:

How easy or hard to change caliber
How expensive to change caliber
Warranty - how to get support or replacement parts
How easy or hard to tune the machine / understand its workings
How easy or hard to clear a jam
How easy or hard to get out a shell to measure it or to check powder

Boxerglocker
04-04-2011, 15:41
Bit of a jump to say "300 in 25 minutes" to "500 in 30 minutes", isn't it? Not trying to argue, just saying.

Also... the 2000 per month is my quota for *now*. By next year I'll probably be shooting 3000 per month.... (it's an affordability thing, and I just got new job, salary bump, etc).
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What I meant by that is to load 300 you don't even have to try Ron, thats a hundred every 8 minute plus, very easy no rush at all. If you push a little harder 100 every 6 minutes is doable. Until you actully experience it you'll never understand. Bear in mind that rounds per an hour is strictly based on having prefilled primer tubes... I load 3-7 tubes at a time prior.

Popsmoke
04-04-2011, 15:47
Regarding case feeding problems on a 650


When going from a tall case to a short case (or vs versa), remember that you have to turn the slanted plastic timer thingy around for a steep slant or a lower slant. It adjusts how far the feed pawl push's the brass case into the shell plate holder.

This stumped me for a while.


Sorry for the technical jargon.

ron59
04-04-2011, 16:13
What I meant by that is to load 300 you don't even have to try Ron, thats a hundred every 8 minute plus, very easy no rush at all. If you push a little harder 100 every 6 minutes is doable. Until you actully experience it you'll never understand. Bear in mind that rounds per an hour is strictly based on having prefilled primer tubes... I load 3-7 tubes at a time prior.

I hear ya. For me, I know I can be way faster with just the addition of having a robust casefeeder (one that doesn't cause more issues than it's supposed to fix). Having to let go of that handle every round to manually load another piece of brass (along with manually indexing) is what really kills my cycle time. But you're not doing me any favors... you're just making my decision harder. Why don't you just let me go ahead and get the 1050? :tongueout::rofl: (j/k btw)

About the primer tubes... I have 9 of them. I actually "pick up" an entire brick in one sitting (first 100 goes in the machine). I do that one evening when I'm doing some other brass work or something, then another night I'll sit down and load. I don't like interrupting loading to have to pick up primers.

Boxerglocker
04-04-2011, 16:24
I hear ya. For me, I know I can be way faster with just the addition of having a robust casefeeder (one that doesn't cause more issues than it's supposed to fix). Having to let go of that handle every round to manually load another piece of brass (along with manually indexing) is what really kills my cycle time. But you're not doing me any favors... you're just making my decision harder. Why don't you just let me go ahead and get the 1050? :tongueout::rofl: (j/k btw)

About the primer tubes... I have 9 of them. I actually "pick up" an entire brick in one sitting (first 100 goes in the machine). I do that one evening when I'm doing some other brass work or something, then another night I'll sit down and load. I don't like interrupting loading to have to pick up primers.

GO AHEAD get the 1050... I will too one day if the rifle stuff gets to what I think is will around my parts. I'll run .223 on a 1050 keep the 650 for 9mm and .223 case prep.

ron59
04-04-2011, 16:30
GO AHEAD get the 1050... I will too one day if the rifle stuff gets to what I think is will around my parts. I'll run .223 on a 1050 keep the 650 for 9mm and .223 case prep.

That was totally tongue in cheek. You just make it sound so much more reasonable to get the 650.

Heck... what I might do is buy the 1050 for 9mm, and then sell my 550B and get a 650 for the other stuff I load....

Wish I knew somebody who had both and I could load a couple thousand on each to see firsthand what it's like...

Boxerglocker
04-04-2011, 16:36
That was totally tongue in cheek. You just make it sound so much more reasonable to get the 650.Heck... what I might do is buy the 1050 for 9mm, and then sell my 550B and get a 650 for the other stuff I load....

Wish I knew somebody who had both and I could load a couple thousand on each to see firsthand what it's like...

I know what you meant, I had the same arguement with myself... :wavey:

dudel
04-04-2011, 16:40
Hi,

As much as I always want to try other presses, the 550 does all I ask of it. I'm even down to loading one caliber so I've told myself that a 650 or 1050 would be "ideal" since I won't have to do any caliber conversions, but that darn 550 just keeps on loading rounds... It must have been nice to run a 1050 for a bit!!

Thanks,

Alan

If I was going to dedicate a machine to a single pistol caliber; I think I'd just add a SDB.

shotgunred
04-04-2011, 16:41
What are you having issues with the case feeder Mike?
The case placement in station one is adjustable and dependant on case placement in station two (primer seating station).
As for the caliber conversion prices you knew that going into it. However as others have attested the caliber conversion is the strength of the 650 if properly adjusted.

My cases do not drop into station 1 every time. I am pretty sure I just need to play with it a bit until I understand how each adjustment affects each other.
I think the Casefeed Arm is not aligning up 100%.

As to the caliber conversion prices your right I knew that going in. But when you want to buy several at the same time it just hits you. A year from now I won't care.

unclebob
04-04-2011, 17:12
My cases do not drop into station 1 every time. I am pretty sure I just need to play with it a bit until I understand how each adjustment affects each other.
I think the Casefeed Arm is not aligning up 100%.

As to the caliber conversion prices your right I knew that going in. But when you want to buy several at the same time it just hits you. A year from now I won't care.

Make sure that the two screws holding the platform is on tight. Do you have an alignment tool? If not get one from Dillon. Do you have grease under the Station 1 Locator?
Make sure that the indexer block is tight and that you have never removed it. If you have get the alignment tool for it also. Make sure the shell plate is installed right. Also mark the shell plate and see if it is the same one every time or not. If it is you might have a warped shell plate. I had one.

Colorado4Wheel
04-04-2011, 17:15
Ron,

Get the 1050. You know you want it. You will always say "Why didn't I do it?"

If my income was more steady (not sales driven) I would own a 1050 for sure.

unclebob
04-04-2011, 17:23
If I was going to dedicate a machine to a single pistol caliber; I think I'd just add a SDB.

No case feeder, to small of a work area. I do not believe it would hold up for the amount that some shooters would put through it. For large volume that some shooter do. 650 or 1050 is the only way to go.
For the LNL I would give them at least 3 more years and see if they get the bugs worked out of the press and enough people that do large volume reloading have loaded on it for at least a year with no problems. With me just looking at the LNL and playing with it. There is no way that I would ever buy one.

Colorado4Wheel
04-04-2011, 17:33
I would never have been happy with a SDB. So small. Feels cheap. I just don't like it. For someone who likes using custom dies it's just not a good option. Plus, it's no faster then a 550.

Boxerglocker
04-04-2011, 17:52
My cases do not drop into station 1 every time. I am pretty sure I just need to play with it a bit until I understand how each adjustment affects each other.
I think the Casefeed Arm is not aligning up 100%.

As to the caliber conversion prices your right I knew that going in. But when you want to buy several at the same time it just hits you. A year from now I won't care.

Make sure that the two screws holding the platform is on tight. Do you have an alignment tool? If not get one from Dillon. Do you have grease under the Station 1 Locator?
Make sure that the indexer block is tight and that you have never removed it. If you have get the alignment tool for it also. Make sure the shell plate is installed right. Also mark the shell plate and see if it is the same one every time or not. If it is you might have a warped shell plate. I had one.

Good points from Bob...Also remember that case placement on 1 is dependant on having a primed case in station 2.

Colorado4Wheel
04-04-2011, 18:18
Sounds complicated. I am glad I got a LnL instead.

Boxerglocker
04-04-2011, 18:28
Sounds complicated. I am glad I got a LnL instead.

Actually it isn't at all. The manual is VERY specific as to the adjustment order and sequence. Once you understand it. It's easy to check and adjust as required.

unclebob
04-04-2011, 19:50
Sounds complicated. I am glad I got a LnL instead.

The 650 is 100 times simpler than the LNL.

GioaJack
04-04-2011, 19:52
The 650 is 100 times simpler than the LNL.


I'm holding my tongue because I'm sick and feeble at the moment.


Jack

kshutt
04-04-2011, 20:05
That was totally tongue in cheek. You just make it sound so much more reasonable to get the 650.

Heck... what I might do is buy the 1050 for 9mm, and then sell my 550B and get a 650 for the other stuff I load....

Wish I knew somebody who had both and I could load a couple thousand on each to see firsthand what it's like...

I bet I know someone here you might be able to sell your 550 to. :whistling:

Colorado4Wheel
04-04-2011, 20:06
I really can't believe you guys took my last comment seriously.

kshutt
04-05-2011, 04:06
I really can't believe you guys took my last comment seriously.

I didn't. Look above you for details. :supergrin:

shotgunred
04-05-2011, 05:00
If there is one person who should just jump all the way up to the 1050 it is you steve.

IndyGunFreak
04-05-2011, 06:07
I'm holding my tongue because I'm sick and feeble at the moment.


Jack

Aaaah... Never stopped you before! :)

I can't say the 650 is easier than the LNL, as my LNL experience is very very limited... but I do agree w/ Boxer that the manual is very clear, and the instruction video is also pretty good.

IGF

Colorado4Wheel
04-05-2011, 06:52
I didn't. Look above you for details. :supergrin:

Missed it, Funny.

WiskyT
04-05-2011, 16:41
If there is one person who should just jump all the way up to the 1050 it is you steve.

He'll end up like Freakshow.

Hoser
04-06-2011, 07:16
He'll end up like Freakshow.

Pissed off at the world?

IndyGunFreak
04-06-2011, 07:40
Pissed off at the world?

Ouch..

Hope freak is doing all right, wherever he is...

IGF

Colorado4Wheel
04-06-2011, 07:57
Unlike Freak, I am going to bow out of this one.

WiskyT
04-06-2011, 16:49
Pissed off at the world?

Freak had an edge, and I don't understand all the trouble he had with his 1050, but he was helpful and polite about most things as far as I remember.

ron59
04-06-2011, 19:13
Ouch..

Hope freak is doing all right, wherever he is...

IGF

FreakShow is a jerk.

Right when he left, he posted a cryptic message about "having to go away for awhile". He gypped my buddy out of $200, another user on this board.

My friend sent him the money for some 9mm ammo (this was back in October), Freak won't even return his IMs or emails now. Never got the ammo.

I've told my buddy to create a thread showing the money order receipts he sent him... "outing" Freak. But he doesn't want to do that. Maybe I'll have to remind him again to do that.

dudel
04-06-2011, 20:17
Freak had an edge, and I don't understand all the trouble he had with his 1050, but he was helpful and polite about most things as far as I remember.

+1 Hard to remember, but IIRC, there was a reason for his unloading.

He had a unique perspective, and helped a number of folks here. I hope he's doing well.

dudel
04-06-2011, 20:19
FreakShow is a jerk.

Right when he left, he posted a cryptic message about "having to go away for awhile". He gypped my buddy out of $200, another user on this board.

My friend sent him the money for some 9mm ammo (this was back in October), Freak won't even return his IMs or emails now. Never got the ammo.

I've told my buddy to create a thread showing the money order receipts he sent him... "outing" Freak. But he doesn't want to do that. Maybe I'll have to remind him again to do that.

Sorry to hear that. I wasn't aware of that particular incident. I think I've seen him on castboolits.com

nostradumass
04-07-2011, 05:26
Ouch..

Hope freak is doing all right, wherever he is...

IGF

I wish he was closer to Charlotte. :steamed:

Colorado4Wheel
04-07-2011, 07:04
Just google Freakshow Ammunition and the entire first page is mostly about him screwing people.

Boxerglocker
04-07-2011, 08:56
FreakShow is a jerk.

Right when he left, he posted a cryptic message about "having to go away for awhile". He gypped my buddy out of $200, another user on this board.

My friend sent him the money for some 9mm ammo (this was back in October), Freak won't even return his IMs or emails now. Never got the ammo.

I've told my buddy to create a thread showing the money order receipts he sent him... "outing" Freak. But he doesn't want to do that. Maybe I'll have to remind him again to do that.

Just google Freakshow Ammunition and the entire first page is mostly about him screwing people.

:shocked: That's very disappointing to hear. I would have thought Freak had more integrity than to do that. I knew his business wasn't doing well and now I feel kind of guilty that I refered a few people to him based on my dealings with him on this board. I hope none of they got taken. :dunno:

ron59
04-07-2011, 12:29
:shocked: That's very disappointing to hear. I would have thought Freak had more integrity than to do that. I knew his business wasn't doing well and now I feel kind of guilty that I refered a few people to him based on my dealings with him on this board. I hope none of they got taken. :dunno:

It was the buddy I referred to who rang in with post #92. Yeah, I thought it was just him (or a few others), but according to Google... ole Freak screwed quite a few people.

nostradumass
04-07-2011, 13:55
On an other note, I just ran 574 9mm through my LNL in one hour timed without a case feeder or bullet feeder. Not too fun just seeing what I could do. :supergrin:

WiskyT
04-07-2011, 15:48
It was the buddy I referred to who rang in with post #92. Yeah, I thought it was just him (or a few others), but according to Google... ole Freak screwed quite a few people.

Is it too late for me to take back what I said about him seeming to be alright? I was for him before I was against him:whistling:

ron59
04-07-2011, 18:16
Is it too late for me to take back what I said about him seeming to be alright? I was for him before I was against him:whistling:

You can still be for him if you want. Because I thought he was pretty helpful too... until at the end there when I found out how he was doing people.

Guess because I have a personal friend who got bit, reckon I'm more irritated than most.

shotgunred
04-07-2011, 19:29
He honestly meant well. He wasn't making it as a pizza delivery person and decided to go into the gun business. The problem was he didn't have any capital. He would advertise products he didn't have. take your money and buy the components put it together and then ship it out. Most of the ammo he was selling he was putting together on a updated Dillon 450. Once the calguns lower deal went south he was never able to get back on his feet.

Boxerglocker
04-07-2011, 20:11
Once the calguns lower deal went south he was never able to get back on his feet.
what was that all about? must've miss that somewhere? :dunno:

shotgunred
04-07-2011, 21:35
It is all on cal guns or at least it was. He pre-sold a bunch of Ar lowers on calguns before he owned them for a pretty good price. But he was unable to get them at the wholesale price he was counting on. No one got any lowers and only some people got their money back. He kept promising every would be repaid but he was broke.

Boxerglocker
04-07-2011, 22:02
It is all on cal guns or at least it was. He pre-sold a bunch of Ar lowers on calguns before he owned them for a pretty good price. But he was unable to get them at the wholesale price he was counting on. No one got any lowers and only some people got their money back. He kept promising every would be repaid but he was broke.

DAMMMMM!!!! :shocked:

IndyGunFreak
04-08-2011, 02:31
FreakShow is a jerk.

Right when he left, he posted a cryptic message about "having to go away for awhile". He gypped my buddy out of $200, another user on this board.

My friend sent him the money for some 9mm ammo (this was back in October), Freak won't even return his IMs or emails now. Never got the ammo.

I've told my buddy to create a thread showing the money order receipts he sent him... "outing" Freak. But he doesn't want to do that. Maybe I'll have to remind him again to do that.

Yeah, I know freak had a LOT of problems w/ some of the things he tried to do.. unfortunately, he got to big for his britches, and it really bit him good. They just recently shut his forum down on Calguns (where there was pretty much nothing but complaints about unfilled orders).. He certainly lacked tact, which can be a bad thing when you're running a one man show. Even then, he was a great source of knowledge.. even if he was a jackass about how he gave it out sometimes...

Regardless of all that, I still hope he's doing well...

IndyGunFreak
04-08-2011, 02:35
It is all on cal guns or at least it was. He pre-sold a bunch of Ar lowers on calguns before he owned them for a pretty good price. But he was unable to get them at the wholesale price he was counting on. No one got any lowers and only some people got their money back. He kept promising every would be repaid but he was broke.

The biggest problem with what Freak did there (and I think he'd even admit it).. After he got the funds for the rifles(and before the price fell through) he used the money for the rifles, to buy reloading components, to sell ammo. When people w/ the missing rifles got upset and wanted refunds, he had no money to refund, because it was all in reloading components, and he was having trouble selling the ammo. According to him, he just didn't have the capital to refund the cost of the "lowers" out of pocket.

There were a LOT of folks who got burned over at Calguns on that. Unfortunately freak's poor communication skills, just exacerbated the problem, and sent people from upset to extremely angry, and they started thrashing his name/company pretty good..... Well, then nobody wants to buy the ammo he made cuz they worry they'll get ripped off.. so now he has ammo he can't sell, to refund the folks who got burned on the lowers...

Just looking from the "outside"... Freak thought he was a lot bigger than he actually was.. you could tell it in the way he posted about his business. You'd have thought he was Winchester or Federal the way he talked...

IGF

ron59
04-08-2011, 04:53
Just looking from the "outside"... Freak thought he was a lot bigger than he actually was.. you could tell it in the way he posted about his business. You'd have thought he was Winchester or Federal the way he talked...

IGF

yep..

shotgunred
04-08-2011, 05:03
I tend to be a little to sympathetic with freak because I could tell he was trying. But then again I never lost any money. the cold hard reality is that is almost impossible to start a business and be successful if you have no working capital.