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fnfalman
04-01-2011, 23:00
All these talks about Stoeger and Beretta Cougar .45ACP got me thinking real hard. Next thing I know, my favorite shop has a Stoeger .45 brand new in box. After some hagglin', I went home with it. Tomorrow is going to be range day.

First impression was that I hated the rail, unfortunately the .45 only comes with the stupid rail so what are you gonna do? The gun has good heft to it and points very well for me. The grip is largish yet extremely comfortable for my small hands. Trigger is OK. I don't know about the Beretta Cougar but compare it to the Beretta 92FS and PX4, both the SA and DA pulls are not as clean and as light. Mags are marked "made in Italy", so they're either Mec-Gar or ACT. The Bruniton finish also doesn't seem to be as smooth as the Beretta Bruniton finish either. The gun does have the Beretta trademark of slide moving so smooth it's like on ball bearing. Recoil spring is pretty stout, probably to compensate for the short barrel & slide. Rotating barrel is always cool.

Does anybody know where I can find some wooden grips for the Cougar .45ACP? Preferrably not Hogue.

Here are some crappy pics taken as the sun was setting.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Guns/2034-1.jpg
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austin_tx
04-01-2011, 23:26
Trigger is OK. I don't know about the Beretta Cougar but compare it to the Beretta 92FS and PX4, both the SA and DA pulls are not as clean and as light....The Bruniton finish also doesn't seem to be as smooth as the Beretta Bruniton finish either.Agreed on both counts. But the Stoegers are still terrific deals. They're about as refined as you can get for a new semi-auto at their prices.

Congrats on the new gun!

up1911fan
04-01-2011, 23:26
Congrats.

austin_tx
04-01-2011, 23:45
You want a Thundercats look? :supergrin:

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/222625000/222625960/pix975493320.jpg

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=222625960

fnfalman
04-01-2011, 23:59
The Thundercat look is rather lame. Sometimes I don't mind some garish stuff just for giggles, but that grip doesn't look too great. Not to mention I am leery about buying products from no-name outfits. I might have to break down and buy a set of Hogue wooden grips if I couldn't find a set of Beretta factory wooden grips for it.

Ol Timer
04-02-2011, 00:01
I think I saw those grips in the parts department at the Lincoln-Mercury dealer.

austin_tx
04-02-2011, 00:37
The Thundercat look is rather lame. Sometimes I don't mind some garish stuff just for giggles, but that grip doesn't look too great. Not to mention I am leery about buying products from no-name outfits. I might have to break down and buy a set of Hogue wooden grips if I couldn't find a set of Beretta factory wooden grips for it.

Yeah, I wasn't being serious. I was just surprised someone would actually produce those.

pennlineman
04-02-2011, 05:41
Congrats on the new Couger. Really nice guns, I got mine back in the 90's and never had a problem with it. Enjoy!

540mope
04-02-2011, 06:15
I too like Cougars that are 45

GlockForce
04-02-2011, 06:48
When I was 30, I too fell for a 45 year old cougar.

dreis454
04-02-2011, 06:49
i too like cougars that are 45

iswydt

CBennett
04-02-2011, 06:52
I like the gun...too big (IMO) for CC but good for a range/around the house HD gun.

Bruce M
04-02-2011, 07:01
I think I saw those grips in the parts department at the Lincoln-Mercury dealer.


:rofl::rofl:

ChuteTheMall
04-02-2011, 07:03
Some hottie introduce her mother to you?:rofl:



Was that pistol made in Turkey?
That's what the left slide pic seems to say.

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
04-02-2011, 07:44
Congrats. I just got one a couple of weeks ago. I found a set of rare NIB rubber grips in a WTB ad on the Beretta Forum. I would suggest asking there for wooden grip ideas and where to buy them.



http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5209/cougar98.jpg

69HEMI-R/T
04-02-2011, 09:05
It is a very nice pistol and I am with you on the rail as I never use them on my pistols, rifles, etc. Let us know how it shoots. Congrats.

carbuncle
04-02-2011, 09:11
I'm really liking the look of these, the .45 and compact 9mm versions in particular. Congrats on the buy, I may pick up a Cougar this summer!

GunFighter45ACP
04-02-2011, 09:19
Congrats! They're such a great deal that if you like the setup, it's hard to beat. I looked at a 9mm version about a week ago at a gunshop. It was NIB, came w/4 mags & was $375.00. They had some PX4s, too, but the Cougar just has 'something' that the PX4s didn't.

ScarFace88
04-02-2011, 09:36
Fnfalman got a cougar? Sounds like it's time for an intervention!

fnfalman
04-02-2011, 09:39
Some hottie introduce her mother to you?:rofl:

God, I hope not!!! My cut-off age is 25.



Was that pistol made in Turkey?
That's what the left slide pic seems to say.

Yes. The Turks are making some Berettas. Stoeger is importing the Cougar line and American Tactical imports the compact 92. The prices are about $200 less than the Italian models. Mind you, I'd rather have a Beretta Cougar .45 but they're slim pickin', so this one will do just fine except for the rail which added bulk. I don't think that the Beretta .45 Cougar holster will fit it. Also, Stoeger doesn't seem to sell extra mags and the cheapest I can find are Beretta mags from Midway USA for around $37 a pop.

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
04-02-2011, 09:56
God, I hope not!!! My cut-off age is 25.





Yes. The Turks are making some Berettas. Stoeger is importing the Cougar line and American Tactical imports the compact 92. The prices are about $200 less than the Italian models. Mind you, I'd rather have a Beretta Cougar .45 but they're slim pickin', so this one will do just fine except for the rail which added bulk. I don't think that the Beretta .45 Cougar holster will fit it. Also, Stoeger doesn't seem to sell extra mags and the cheapest I can find are Beretta mags from Midway USA for around $37 a pop.
Beretta owns Stoeger. ThEy transferred the equipment to Stoeger. For all practical purposes, it Is a Beretta.

The ATI clones are not quite in the same ballpark. I don't mind owning a Stoeger cougar when compared to a Beretta Cougar. But, I would rather a REAL Beretta 92 over an ATI clone.

sfguard
04-02-2011, 10:15
When I was 30, I too fell for a 45 year old cougar.

I was 28, and didn't fall for her but she sure was a lot of fun for awhile.

tercel89
04-02-2011, 15:22
Here is mine in a holster custom made by a guy on here named Andrewsky . He made this holster for me since no holster is currently made for them because of their rail . And here is my Cougar .45 again next to my buddy .

opps pic got deleted

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
04-02-2011, 15:29
That is very nice!

joecoastie
04-02-2011, 16:01
If it's not a Beretta, its a copy.

Sorry, couldn't resist. :supergrin:
Nice gun, especially for the price that those Cougars go for.

fnfalman
04-02-2011, 19:06
If it's not a Beretta, its a copy.


Very true, very true.

I think that I would have wanted a Beretta, but there weren't any available and this Stoeger is and at the right price. I also have this thing about lack of self-control. Hehe.

Anyway, here are some preliminary range reports. The gun shoots low with Winchester White Box. About 3" low at 10yds and 4-5" low at 15yds. Great mechanical accuracy. Trigger is typical of DA/SA crunchenticker. Get used to it with practice and eminently good enough for combat purposes. Magazine springs are very strong. The white dots on the sights are distracting. I'm going to color them black. Hell, I'd need either a new front sight or a new rear sight anyway. Okay, I'll shoot it with a couple of different loads to see if maybe it's just Winchester White Box that shoots low first before messing around with the sight.

I must reiterate that the finish coating isn't as nice as a Beretta coating even though they're both Bruniton finishes. Also, since that I don't have exposure to the Beretta Cougar so I can't really tell, but the levers and buttons are definitely stiffer than the levers and buttons on my 92s and PX4.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Shooting%20Stoeger%20Cougar%2045ACP/ShootingCougar45004.jpg
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fnfalman
04-02-2011, 19:10
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Shooting%20Stoeger%20Cougar%2045ACP/SA1stGrp.jpg
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http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Shooting%20Stoeger%20Cougar%2045ACP/SA5thGrp.jpg

fnfalman
04-02-2011, 19:11
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Shooting%20Stoeger%20Cougar%2045ACP/DA1stGrp.jpg
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http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Shooting%20Stoeger%20Cougar%2045ACP/15ydsSA2ndGrp.jpg

fnfalman
04-02-2011, 19:12
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Shooting%20Stoeger%20Cougar%2045ACP/10ydsDrawFireDA.jpg
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carbuncle
04-03-2011, 10:14
Thanks for the range report, looks like a great gun for the money!

bac1023
04-03-2011, 10:57
Congrats fnfalman. :)

CBennett
04-03-2011, 11:06
If it's not a Beretta, its a copy.

Sorry, couldn't resist. :supergrin:
Nice gun, especially for the price that those Cougars go for.

Thats ok though especially if they WORK just as well as the original(and from everything ive seen/heard they do) I actually like both the originals in the Cougar and the other Beretta knock off the Taurus PT92/99. I actually had the chance(i had the money saved for EITHER so money was not a factor really) when I got out of the military and I was choosing between the Beretta and the Taurus PT 99. I actually chose the Taurus PT99 because I liked where the controls were better than on the Beretta. If the Beretta had had the same control mounts as the Taurus id probably have gotten the Beretta..The Taurus PT99 is the ONLY gun I EVER owned that I had put over 5000 rounds through that I NEVER ONCE had any failure issues with from 0-5000+ rounds...no misfeeds,stovepipes, jams or malfunctions of any kind I cant say that about the Glock 23, I cant say that about the Ruger SR9c, Ive had a couple revolvers in that group but they are in a different category for reliability than a semi auto.

joecoastie
04-03-2011, 11:28
Thats ok though especially if they WORK just as well as the original(and from everything ive seen/heard they do) I actually like both the originals in the Cougar and the other Beretta knock off the Taurus PT92/99. I actually had the chance(i had the money saved for EITHER so money was not a factor really) when I got out of the military and I was choosing between the Beretta and the Taurus PT 99. I actually chose the Taurus PT99 because I liked where the controls were better than on the Beretta. If the Beretta had had the same control mounts as the Taurus id probably have gotten the Beretta..The Taurus PT99 is the ONLY gun I EVER owned that I had put over 5000 rounds through that I NEVER ONCE had any failure issues with from 0-5000+ rounds...no misfeeds,stovepipes, jams or malfunctions of any kind I cant say that about the Glock 23, I cant say that about the Ruger SR9c, Ive had a couple revolvers in that group but they are in a different category for reliability than a semi auto.

From what I have heard from owners, the Stoeger Cougars are very good quality guns, which seems to be backed up by FNFal's review. I was making more of a friendly dig at FNFal's frequent quote of "If it ain't a Colt, its a copy." I would really like to add a Beretta Cougar to my collection but I'm not sure I really want to pay the extra money for the Beretta Trident.

fnfalman
04-03-2011, 11:41
From what I have heard from owners, the Stoeger Cougars are very good quality guns, which seems to be backed up by FNFal's review. I was making more of a friendly dig at FNFal's frequent quote of "If it ain't a Colt, its a copy." I would really like to add a Beretta Cougar to my collection but I'm not sure I really want to pay the extra money for the Beretta Trident.

I'd like to find a Beretta Cougar and compare the fit & finish to see the differences between the two of them.

The action of the levers and buttons are definitely stiffer than my other Berettas and the finish coating isn't quite as nice, but as far as the quality of the product goes (the fitting and the machining)...very impressive. Definitely more than worth the cost.

If the point of impact is as low for other ammo brands, then I'll have to see if I can find replacement front sight or rear sight.

cdunn
04-07-2011, 19:04
here is my Cougar,I only have about 600rds. through it so far.I can't understand where all the cougar hate comes from,I think this thing is great.
http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad24/ca_dunn/DSCN1229-1.jpg

Makoman
04-07-2011, 20:04
These aren't bad. I've seen some really nice wooden cougar grips in the past but they had beretta medallions.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=223592773

fnfalman
04-07-2011, 21:43
I saw some Hogue Kingwood grips that don't look too bad. I might have to go with Hogue.

awpk03s
04-07-2011, 21:44
Congrats - that's a nice gun.

Petrie
04-07-2011, 21:53
I saw a 9mm cougar on sale for $350 but I had my thumb up my ass or something, and now I only see them for $400, which I won't pay becaue I'm still waiting for the sale price to pop up again. Damn fine auto.

fnfalman
04-07-2011, 22:04
Just got in three extra mags ordered from Midway. I'm gonna take her out tomorrow after work and see if she still shoots low with different ammo.

cdunn
04-09-2011, 13:49
what is the round count on on cougars?I have a lowly 600 so far.

fnfalman
04-09-2011, 22:11
what is the round count on on cougars?I have a lowly 600 so far.

Only 150-rounds so far. Hell, I just got it last week.

fnfalman
04-15-2011, 22:33
Update on the Cougar: just took it to the range again and ran another 150-rounds through it. Unfortunately I left the camera at home. So, the session consisted of 50-rounds of Blazer aluminum ball, PMC ball and Herter ball (Russian steel case).

First of all, the good news is that all of these ammo shot to point of aim. No issue with the low impact like the Winchester White Box.

The bad news is that this gun does not like the Blazer. Let me clarify, it does not like to feed the last Blazer round off the magazine. All five mags (2 Stoeger stock and 3 factory Beretta which is the same thing because the markings are identical) displayed the same issue. The last round barely cleared the mag lip and jammed up before fully fed into the chamber. A slight push of the slide ended the problem but is annoying.

My guess is that the lack of lubricity on the aluminum case is the culprit. Also the mag springs are fearsomely strong, so that probably doesn't help. The two original mags don't seem to be as tight as the brand new mags, but still don't quite want to feed the last Blazer aluminum round. No problem with steel and brass cases.

I have several more hundred rounds of Blazer aluminum, so I'll just shoot them out of other guns or my revolver and get some PMC for the Cougar. I don't remember shooting Blazer aluminum out of the PX4, so maybe I better take that mother out tomorrow just to make sure. At least my worries about low impact point is partially resolved.

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
04-16-2011, 07:22
Yes, some guns just do not like then aluminum cases. I had an HK USP 9mm once that did not like the stuff. But, all my other guns do. Not. Big deal, though

cluznar
04-17-2012, 17:45
I have a Stoeger Cougar compact 9mm and it is one very nice gun. Great trigger, accurate, dependable. Anyone that passes up a chance to buy a Stoeger Cougar of any caliber is passing up a nice gun for a great price.

Batesmotel
04-17-2012, 17:52
I too like Cougars that are 45

I'm married to one.:supergrin:

pennlineman
04-17-2012, 18:21
Nice new addition buddy. With the exception of my model 25 the cougar is my my favorite .45ACP.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt250/pennlineman/8045.jpg

TN.Frank
04-17-2012, 19:06
Yes, some guns just do not like then aluminum cases.

I built a gun from a kit that didn't like aluminum cases. It ran great on brass stuff though, some guns don't like metal case ammo either.
Anyway, Stoeger is licensed by Beretta so they pretty much QC the guns, that's why the quality is still pretty good. Hit the Beretta forum and you can get all kinds of info on how to slick em' up. It's a pretty good forum, spent a lot of time there when I had my 92F Compact and PX4 Storm.
Congrats on the nice looking 45, even if it's not a 1911.:supergrin: I love that rotating barrel design, too bad it's not used more. Anyway, good shooting and post more pics. :cool:

SevenSixtyTwo
04-17-2012, 19:22
The Stoeger Cougar is not a copy. Beretta stopped manufacturing the Cougar in Italy and moved production including machines and equipment to Turkey to be manufactured under the Stoeger name, a subsidiary of Beretta. It's the same gun a little less refined. That being said my 1994 Italian made Beretta Cougar will never be for sale. Unless I get really hungry! Very nice guns.