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longrangedog
04-04-2011, 18:59
I know the 550 is manually indexed and the 650 mechanically indexed and that the 650 has a charge check station. What other differences are there and how important is the charge check station on the 650? I'm going to get one or the other. I'll reload 10mm, 45acp, 38spec., and 9mm in volumes of about 500 to 1000 rounds/month. Don't mind spending more for the 650. Primary concern is producing safe ammo and based on info obtained here and elsewhere see Dillon as a quality machine.

Boxerglocker
04-04-2011, 19:05
Your main concern is going to be cost of caliber conversions both moetarily and time to do them. If you have the time the 550 is you best choice to start. The 40/10mm and 9 share the same shellplate on a 550 so thats a plus, the .38 and .45 will need thier own.
Your primary concern in regards to safety is a good point. Personall I prefer a auto indexing press but a 500 in you case makes sense to me... if your concerned about safety and don't trust yourself one on Alan's press monitors would be a good investment.

Firecop203
04-04-2011, 19:12
The 550 does not have a casefeeder, although one can be added and the 550 can not load rifle cases. I don't use the powder check station and I've never had any problems.

I load 38 special, .357 magnum, 9mm, 45GAP, 45ACP, .223, .308 with mine.

lockmup68
04-04-2011, 19:14
650 is the way to go.

Colorado4Wheel
04-04-2011, 19:18
The 550 does not have a casefeeder, although one can be added and the 550 can not load rifle cases. I don't use the powder check station and I've never had any problems.

I load 38 special, .357 magnum, 9mm, 45GAP, 45ACP, .223, .308 with mine.

550 does load Rifle but the 550 casefeeder does not load rifle.

Get the 650 is you have bottomless pockets and don't mind the cost.

Get the 550 if cost is a object and you don't mind loading with out a casefeeder.

I would not get the 550 is you think you might want a casefeeder in the future.

How many rounds TOTAL you going to load a month?

GioaJack
04-04-2011, 19:19
If you want to use a powder check die in a 550 simply seat and crimp with one die... like it's been done for the last 130 years or so.

You'll see absolutely no difference in accuracy or function reliability plus your caliber conversions will be considerably cheaper.

Just a thought. :whistling:


Jack

unclebob
04-04-2011, 19:20
The amount you are planning reloading you are in the 550 range. But for safety I like the 650 better. With the auto indexing and the fail safe power system. Unless you put a charged case back under the powder measure there is just about no way you can get a double charge. Squib load yes but not a double charge. The powder check is a nice feature on the 650, but it is no substitute for a visual check of the powder in the case, if possible. Having owned both pressís I like the 650 100% better.

CobraR6
04-04-2011, 19:23
If you don't mind spending the money, buy the 650. No question. The 650 is an amazing machine. I use one to produce all my match ammo, and I've never had an issue with anything I've ever taken to the range. It is fast, efficient, and Dillon is #1 in customer support.

wrx04
04-04-2011, 19:34
I have a 550, but wish i would've got the 650. Auto-indexing and casefeeder makes it worth it.

cole
04-05-2011, 00:46
Whatever it takes to get autoindexing. My 650XL was a nice press; glad I sold it. I prefer my pair of SDBs for the ol' pistole. Cost and value is always a factor for me. I love the Blue kool-aid because, well, BLUE RULES.

kshutt
04-05-2011, 04:40
I don't see how anyone can go wrong with purchasing a 550. It's not a money thing for me at all. If I wanted a 650, I'd pick the phone up and order one. I just don't need one for the amount of shooting I do. If I ever retire, I see a 650 or 1050 in my future. :wavey: :cool:

schild
04-05-2011, 04:55
My 650 is approaching 20 years old and I'm constantly amazed at what a reliable machine it's been.

shotgunred
04-05-2011, 04:59
The 650 is twice as expensive as the 550. Each caliber conversion is also twice as much. If money isn't an issue the 650 is the way to go. manual indexing the 550 never bothered me. Letting go of the handle to insert the next piece of brass did.
The 550 is a better press for small runs of ammo and switching calibers. the 650 is a mass production beast.

you said 500 to 1000 rounds/month. Each caliber or all total? 500 to 1000 round a month or 2000 to 4000 rounds a month?
Even with the 550 I can make 450 round an hour. So if you are talking 1000 rounds a month you should be taking a harder look at the 550. 4000 rounds a month is still doable with a 550 but would be more in line with a 650.

cowboy1964
04-05-2011, 08:38
Check brianenos.com. Has a whole section devoted to this question.

http://brianenos.com/pages/dillon.html

unclebob
04-05-2011, 09:19
The 650 is twice as expensive as the 550. Each caliber conversion is also twice as much. If money isn't an issue the 650 is the way to go. manual indexing the 550 never bothered me. Letting go of the handle to insert the next piece of brass did.
The 550 is a better press for small runs of ammo and switching calibers. the 650 is a mass production beast.


There is only $127.00 difference between the two presses. Then you add if you want the case feeder that runs $218.00. But if you want a case feeder for a 550 that is $250.00. $32.00 dollars more. Yes the caliber conversion costs more. You have a few more parts. But like with everything else. Speed, connivance etc. comes with a price tag. But for me 32.00 dollars more is well worth it. And the tool head is $5.00 more.
For speed of conversion I can go from 9mm to 45acp in about 8 minutes. But I use the small primer punch for small and large primers, as was suggested by Dillon. I have been doing so for a couple of years now and have no problem in doing so. I also have two primer magazine assemblies. So it is just a matter of remove and replace. If I remember right it took me around 5 minutes to do a caliber conversion on the 550. But the difference in time, you make up in reloading.

XDRoX
04-05-2011, 10:05
Money was not a concern for me (I'm not rich, just love to spend money:supergrin:) and I went with the 550b. I'm very happy with my choice. I enjoy most, the simplicity of it. So much so that I'll never put a case feeder on it.

When I need more volume I'm going to get a 1050 to compliment my 550b.
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hoffy
04-05-2011, 10:26
I don't have a Dillon now but my next press will be one. I have a LNLAP (low serial # lemon) an RCBS AmmoMaster Progressive, and a Star Universal . The Star whomps them all for durability, designed when machines were substantial, and IIRC Dillon got his start modifying Stars to take standard dies. Like GioJack said, you can crimp and seat in one step(my Star even roll crimps 45acp-gasp, and ammo from it shoots fine). I use a clip on flexible neck LED light that I use to shine down into the case with powder. Even though the Star makes accurate ammo, I still like to seat and crimp in two operations, but with the RCBS, indexing can be automatic or manual, and I use both. Me, I would probably go 650 , even though I will probably never use it for rifle ammo.

themighty9mm
04-05-2011, 13:07
I bought the 550. I like feeling like I am completly in control. For what you are wanting 500-100 a month you could rock a single stage, provided you have some time to spend. A 550 will have plenty of put out for you depending on how much time you have. Once you get in a rythem (provided you are watching what you are doing) not much safety concern. Also from what I have seen the 550 is comparable to the 650 w/o case feeder as far as rounds per hour. Casefeeder is additional cost
With that said, and while I would not change my purchase choice. A 650 does have some pretty nice things. A casefeeder would not be bad, and auto indexing isnt a bad thing either, depending on how you look at it. Also I beleive with the 650 you get a additional die slot.

telecster
04-05-2011, 13:55
I posted this same thread about a month ago. I went with the 550 and am very happy.. Why did I make that choice? Well I was not going to reload more then maybe 1000 per month and that is walk in the park on the 550 after years of single stage reloading..Which I will still use for small projects.. The case feeder noise would have drove me nuts so I was not going to get one of those..I can very easily crank out 400+ rounds an hour..What ever your final decision is you will be happy with the Dillon..Brian Enos was great and helpful on getting the right parts for multiple calibers..Free shipping as well for orders more than $400..

shotgunred
04-05-2011, 14:03
There is only $127.00 difference between the two presses. Then you add if you want the case feeder that runs $218.00. But if you want a case feeder for a 550 that is $250.00. $32.00 dollars more. Yes the caliber conversion costs more. You have a few more parts. But like with everything else. Speed, connivance etc. comes with a price tag. But for me 32.00 dollars more is well worth it. And the tool head is $5.00 more.
For speed of conversion I can go from 9mm to 45acp in about 8 minutes. But I use the small primer punch for small and large primers, as was suggested by Dillon. I have been doing so for a couple of years now and have no problem in doing so. I also have two primer magazine assemblies. So it is just a matter of remove and replace. If I remember right it took me around 5 minutes to do a caliber conversion on the 550. But the difference in time, you make up in reloading.

Almost no one puts a case feeder on a 550 and almost everyone puts one on the 650.That is were I get the difference in price. Heck Fred is the only person I have herd about that had a 650 without a case feeder and he recently rectified that. I like the 650 also. I recently upgraded from a 550B to a 650. But not everyone needs a 650.

Going from 9mm to 40 with the 550 takes about 2 minutes. It took about 10 with the 650. Neither took an excessive amount of time. Everything I reload uses a small primer so that isn't an issue for me.

unclebob
04-05-2011, 14:28
Almost no one puts a case feeder on a 550 and almost everyone puts one on the 650.That is were I get the difference in price. Heck Fred is the only person I have herd about that had a 650 without a case feeder and he recently rectified that. I like the 650 also. I recently upgraded from a 550B to a 650. But not everyone needs a 650.

Going from 9mm to 40 with the 550 takes about 2 minutes. It took about 10 with the 650. Neither took an excessive amount of time. Everything I reload uses a small primer so that isn't an issue for me.
One of the people that I shoot GSSF with and travel with has case feeders on his 550ís. And he likes them.
There are a lot of people load on a 650 without a case feeder.
Granted not everyone needs a 650 or even a 1050. What one person needs and wants are two different things. What a person needs are today maybe not be what he needs in the future.

StaTiK
04-05-2011, 18:21
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GioaJack
04-05-2011, 18:25
Now I'm getting the urge to buy a 1050 for my .38's. I hope it's just the morphine talking.


Jack

StaTiK
04-05-2011, 18:41
If you want to use a powder check die in a 550 simply seat and crimp with one die... like it's been done for the last 130 years or so.

I've probably read, without exaggeration, a hundred instances/variations of the OP's question question and you are the first person to recommend this as an option. 99% just say "you don't need a powder check".

Maybe there is something to the age/wisdom saying...
-StaTiK-

frankmako
04-05-2011, 18:56
got my first 550 in 1983/84 time. picked up a used second one in 2009. both are still going strong. looked at the 650, but the 550 does all i want to do. both will do the job, it all comes down to the $$$$.

unclebob
04-05-2011, 19:07
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The Dillon 650 with case feeder costs $345.00 more than a 550.

njl
04-05-2011, 19:20
But I use the small primer punch for small and large primers, as was suggested by Dillon. I have been doing so for a couple of years now and have no problem in doing so.

I've never heard of anyone doing that. Is that a trick that works only on the 650? With the 550, I'd think the large primers would fall off the small primer slide.

bush pilot
04-05-2011, 19:24
I've probably read, without exaggeration, a hundred instances/variations of the OP's question question and you are the first person to recommend this as an option. 99% just say "you don't need a powder check".

Maybe there is something to the age/wisdom saying...
-StaTiK-

I think you're confusing age and wisdom with senility.

unclebob
04-05-2011, 19:32
I've never heard of anyone doing that. Is that a trick that works only on the 650? With the 550, I'd think the large primers would fall off the small primer slide.

It only works with the 650. You still have to use the right size primer disk. But you only need to use the small primer punch for both small and large primers.

fredj338
04-06-2011, 00:24
I don't see how anyone can go wrong with purchasing a 550. It's not a money thing for me at all. If I wanted a 650, I'd pick the phone up and order one. I just don't need one for the amount of shooting I do. If I ever retire, I see a 650 or 1050 in my future. :wavey: :cool:

Most shooters don;t need a 650 & case feeder. It is a great machine, but setting up & tearing down for multiple calibrs is more complicated than the 550B w/o case feeder. I ave loaded 100000+ rounds on my 550B, never missed the autoindexing or powder check. I look at each powder drop, 400rds/hr is still easily done. My 650 is very nice, I leave it setup for 45acp, but everything else gets done on the 550B.

labdwakin
04-06-2011, 02:54
Now I'm getting the urge to buy a 1050 for my .38's. I hope it's just the morphine talking.


Jack


I know where there's an old Star for sale that's set up for .38s and has the conversion for .45s :whistling:

GioaJack
04-06-2011, 10:13
I know where there's an old Star for sale that's set up for .38s and has the conversion for .45s :whistling:


Had two of 'em for years, used 'em when I was loading for some gun shops and guys on the department. Sold 'em when parts started getting hard to find and switched to Dillon.

Ironically if the internet had existed back then I would probably still be using them since it's so much easier to track down parts now. Stupid technology.


Jack

labdwakin
04-06-2011, 11:57
Had two of 'em for years, used 'em when I was loading for some gun shops and guys on the department. Sold 'em when parts started getting hard to find and switched to Dillon.

Ironically if the internet had existed back then I would probably still be using them since it's so much easier to track down parts now. Stupid technology.


Jack

Would 500 bucks for a Star reloader in 38 with the .45 conversion be a fair price?

Colorado4Wheel
04-06-2011, 12:24
Would 500 bucks for a Star reloader in 38 with the .45 conversion be a fair price?

So you want to pay more for a star then for a 550. I have never used a star but from the videos the 550 has much better ergonomics. I would low ball it in the 300 range or step up and get the 550.

labdwakin
04-06-2011, 12:38
So you want to pay more for a star then for a 550. I have never used a star but from the videos the 550 has much better ergonomics. I would low ball it in the 300 range or step up and get the 550.

Already have a 550... LOL

GioaJack
04-06-2011, 13:04
There's no question that Stars are a hell of a machine and the first truly progressive loader available to non-commercial loaders. I had one set up in .38 and one in .45, back then no one shot 9mm.

I really don't know if the ever came out with electric case feeders, on mine you filled a series of plastic feed tubes, very similar to a Pro 1000. I bought both of my machines and a million tubes plus misc. parts from a commercial loader who retired. Each machine had way, way over a million rounds through each one. I paid somewhere around $600 for each machine, put easily 250,000 rounds combined through them and sold them to a guy for what I'd paid, or real close.

The original Dillon design is basically an improvement over the Star and is one of the reasons I bought my first Dillon.

Steve is right in that when compared to today's machines the ergonomics of the Star is rather primitive but for a person of normal health and strength it's not even a concern. They utilize the same wooden handle as the Star sizer, (or used to).

If you're looking for pure production rate with support and spare parts availability then go with the LNL or 650. For pure nostalgia and the chance to own a piece of reloading history go with the Star.

As an aside, there will always be Star collectors out there and I would guess that you'd always be able to get your buying price back and depending on how long you kept it and if parts were still available probably more. I know there is at least one website dedicated to Star users.


Jack

labdwakin
04-06-2011, 13:09
I know there is at least one website dedicated to Star users.


Jack

I go over there from time to time hoping to snag a sizer.

Colorado4Wheel
04-06-2011, 13:09
You can see the roots of a 1050 in that old star.

GioaJack
04-06-2011, 13:20
I go over there from time to time hoping to snag a sizer.


Even if you find one it probably won't be much cheaper than a new one. Star equipment actually holds it's value better than Dillon but I suspect that's because there simply aren't as many around.

I kinda wish I'd kept my Stars but I'm not sure how many caliber conversions are available. If you already shoot .38 and .45 you could dedicate the machine just to those two calibers. Since I never had to do a conversion I really don't know how involved it is or how long it takes.


Jack

fredj338
04-06-2011, 16:32
Almost no one puts a case feeder on a 550 and almost everyone puts one on the 650.That is were I get the difference in price. Heck Fred is the only person I have herd about that had a 650 without a case feeder and he recently rectified that. I like the 650 also. I recently upgraded from a 550B to a 650. But not everyone needs a 650.

Going from 9mm to 40 with the 550 takes about 2 minutes. It took about 10 with the 650. Neither took an excessive amount of time. Everything I reload uses a small primer so that isn't an issue for me.
Yeah, the 650 does not run really well w/o the case feeder. Since I already load on a 550B, I could wait until the money got better. PBO's economy has been killing me since he was elected, part time hours for 2yrs+ now.:crying:
The LNL & 550B run happily w/o a case feeder. BTW, the 650 case feeder is very quiet compared to the LNL. I hardly know it's on.

unclebob
04-06-2011, 17:00
BTW, the 650 case feeder is very quiet compared to the LNL. I hardly know it's on.

And the Dillon case feeder is 100% better built. Mattel could do a better job in building one than the Hornady.

OzzyOsbourne
04-06-2011, 17:28
I have a 550 and love it. While the autoindexing of a 650 sounds nice, and probably is, I love the speed and ease of use of the 550. When something goes awry, and it will, you can easily remove the cases from all the stations, fix the problem, and start it up again.

I shoot in the range of 1K rounds. At this admittedly light volume, I just can't see that the 650 would be much faster for me.

Whichever one you buy, I *highly* recommend going to Brian Enos' site:

http://brianenos.com/store/dillon.html

He has tons of info on his site, and he'll personally answer the phone if you call with questions (or maybe I just got lucky).

You won't regret either choice, that's for sure.

Cheers!

unclebob
04-06-2011, 17:34
While the autoindexing of a 650 sounds nice, and probably is, I love the speed and ease of use of the 550. When something goes awry, and it will, you can easily remove the cases from all the stations, fix the problem, and start it up again.!

And you can do the same with the 650. You can take out or install a case at any station just as you can with the 550.

Boxerglocker
04-06-2011, 17:54
While the autoindexing of a 650 sounds nice, and probably is, I love the speed and ease of use of the 550. When something goes awry, and it will, you can easily remove the cases from all the stations, fix the problem, and start it up again.

I shoot in the range of 1K rounds. At this admittedly light volume, I just can't see that the 650 would be much faster for me.


And you can do the same with the 650. You can take out or install a case at any station just as you can with the 550.

Just as easy to clear a problem on a 650 as unclebob says. No the auto indexing alone of a 650 will not get you that much faster maybe 10% at the most. But add a casefeeder and the auto index your talking 800-1000 an hour sustained.
A Dillon XL650 without a case feeder is like cornflakes without the milk...

OzzyOsbourne
04-06-2011, 18:44
Just as easy to clear a problem on a 650 as unclebob says. No the auto indexing alone of a 650 will not get you that much faster maybe 10% at the most. But add a casefeeder and the auto index your talking 800-1000 an hour sustained.
A Dillon XL650 without a case feeder is like cornflakes without the milk...

Well, I still love my 550, but it sure is hard to argue against a 650. :cool:

unclebob
04-06-2011, 18:48
Well, I still love my 550, but it sure is hard to argue against a 650. :cool:

Just donít load a couple of thousand rounds on a 650 then try and go back to the 550. I guess some people can do it but I sure couldnít.

fredj338
04-06-2011, 22:00
Just as easy to clear a problem on a 650 as unclebob says. No the auto indexing alone of a 650 will not get you that much faster maybe 10% at the most. But add a casefeeder and the auto index your talking 800-1000 an hour sustained.
A Dillon XL650 without a case feeder is like cornflakes without the milk...

Yeah, I got tired of eating dry ceral really quickly.:yawn:
Just don’t load a couple of thousand rounds on a 650 then try and go back to the 550. I guess some people can do it but I sure couldn’t.

Come on Bob, I go back & forth between the two all the time. It's not that big of a deal, my right hand is still pulling the handle & left still feeding bullets. I agree, the autoindexing is not where the speed is, still have to put a bullet in & turning the shell plate is on the way to placing the bullet. No, the speed comes form the case feeder & not having to remove your hand from the handle. Both good presses, as is the LNL, few of us really need any of them, but they are nice to have when you need 100rds for a match & less than 30min to do it in.

Colorado4Wheel
04-07-2011, 07:23
Come on Bob, I go back & forth between the two all the time. It's not that big of a deal, my right hand is still pulling the handle & left still feeding bullets. I agree, the autoindexing is not where the speed is, still have to put a bullet in & turning the shell plate is on the way to placing the bullet. No, the speed comes form the case feeder & not having to remove your hand from the handle. Both good presses, as is the LNL, few of us really need any of them, but they are nice to have when you need 100rds for a match & less than 30min to do it in.

:wavey:

Exactly

We get asked "what press do you need" and it turns into a 650 vs 550 vs LnL. We mostly ignore the actual need of the user. Most users simply do not need a casefeeder. Don't need the complication of the 650. Yes, it's more complicated then the 550. If the person has been loading on a turret and they want some more speed the 550 will meet that need handily. If they don't mind spending a little more then get the 650. Unless you have plans to shoot over 2000 a month or don't have much free time at all you don't need a 650 and a casefeeder. I would say anyone one PLANNING to shoot USPSA should probably just get the 650 because they probably will start shooting way more then they think.

unclebob
04-07-2011, 09:31
Fred and Steve I think you both have missed the point that I was trying to make, and probably still am. Yes going back and forth all the time is no big deal. Just load on the 650 for 6 months then try and load on the 550. At least for me I kept waiting for the shell plate to turn and kept forgetting to put a case in shell plate. Maybe you can do it. But for the brief time I tried it I gave up.
If you care to check I have not said that the OP or anyone else needs a 650.I have said that some people buy a press just because they want that press. Just like you Steve do you really need a 1050 press? Or do you just want the 1050 press? People buy a 4X4 truck and never take it off the paved road. Yes I know like for snow. But like here in Florida there is no snow. Would I like to have a 1050? Hell yes. I would like to have about 6 of them. Do I need even one? No. Right now I donít even need a 650 and probably never really did. But for some reason if I had to buy a new press, I still would get the 650.
For the LNL in my option. I would not get one at least for right now until Hornady gets their act together. Other than the EZ eject and maybe so so on the powder measure. I do not care for the operation or the design of their press. Like I said this is just my option.

fredj338
04-07-2011, 11:11
Fred and Steve I think you both have missed the point that I was trying to make, and probably still am. Yes going back and forth all the time is no big deal. Just load on the 650 for 6 months then try and load on the 550. At least for me I kept waiting for the shell plate to turn and kept forgetting to put a case in shell plate. Maybe you can do it. But for the brief time I tried it I gave up.
If you care to check I have not said that the OP or anyone else needs a 650.I have said that some people buy a press just because they want that press. Just like you Steve do you really need a 1050 press? Or do you just want the 1050 press? People buy a 4X4 truck and never take it off the paved road. Yes I know like for snow. But like here in Florida there is no snow. Would I like to have a 1050? Hell yes. I would like to have about 6 of them. Do I need even one? No. Right now I don’t even need a 650 and probably never really did. But for some reason if I had to buy a new press, I still would get the 650.
For the LNL in my option. I would not get one at least for right now until Hornady gets their act together. Other than the EZ eject and maybe so so on the powder measure. I do not care for the operation or the design of their press. Like I said this is just my option.
But Bob, you are old, forgetfull, even if you do shoot better than I do.:supergrin: I only keep noting that most reloaders just don't need a 650 or LNL w/ case feeder. They are more complicated than a 550B & booboos on a 650 are harder to clear than on a 550B.
Last weekend this came to be as I had a case hang up in stn one w/ a mangled primer. It wouldn't feed it, had to take all the rounds out & the offending case & clear it up. In the 550B, never an issue as nothing is trying to advance. It's just a simpler press to run for the hobby reloader. Many newb reloaders "think" they "need" a 650 or LNL w/ case feeder to make a lot of ammo in a hurry & that just isn't needed by most casual shooters. Even a once a month match shooter can do it all on a LCT or 550B easily. What got me into a 550B to start was CAS shooting. I used to go thru 2500-3000rds/m of 45colt & maybe 500rds of 38sp.
I love my new 650, it cranks a bunch of 45s fast, but it is more complicated to run & to take down & setup for another caliber & to clear any jambs. Since I reload so many diff ones, I use all three; 550B, 650 & single stage & going back & forth is effortless. I agree, if I loaded only on a 650 for months & then went to the 550B, there would be a short relearning curve. Same as when I occasionally shoot my Glocks.:wavey:

Colorado4Wheel
04-07-2011, 11:41
If you care to check I have not said that the OP or anyone else needs a 650.I have said that some people buy a press just because they want that press. Just like you Steve do you really need a 1050 press? Or do you just want the 1050 press?


If he wants to load faster on a progressive he needs a 550. He should buy whatever the heck he feels like buying. I am using need very loosely. That is the point. What he needs may not be what he wants. He should buy what he wants of course.

fredj338
04-07-2011, 13:16
If he wants to load faster on a progressive he needs a 550. He should buy whatever the heck he feels like buying. I am using need very loosely. That is the point. What he needs may not be what he wants. He should buy what he wants of course.

ALWAYS! Free country, we should all buy what we want. It's just many that have progressive gear think it's the only way to fly & it's not. Why spend a lot of money for a complicated piece of gear to load 100rds a week?:dunno: I would bet 90% of the shooters would be fine w/ a LCT, the other 9% could use a progressive & 1% would actually need the speed & volumn of a full blown progressive w/ all the goodies.
A good friend of mine has the LNL w/ bullet & case feeder. He still only loads about 250rds/hr. He just likes to buy tools, he is a machinist, it's a hobby unto itself.:supergrin: Same w/ bullet casting. I have a Magma MasterCaster, do I need it, nope, but I do like casting on one.:supergrin:

shotgunred
04-07-2011, 14:14
I will admit it. Even in the summer when I shoot 3 matches a month my 550 could keep up with my demand. The only time I had an issue was when I waited to the day of the match to load that ammo in the morning. with one hour a day five days a week you can knock out 2250 rounds with a 550. Its is a rare person who needs that much every week. Of course the 650 will do the same in 2 hours instead of 5 hours. Most of my reloading is done when I should be sleeping so the speed matters to me.

A 550 or a 650 or even a LNL will work fine for what you want. Pick the one that fits your budget and has the extra features you like. They are all good presses that should last you for decades.

unclebob
04-07-2011, 14:17
Read the OP first post and my #7 post.

Colorado4Wheel
04-07-2011, 14:34
Bob, your a reasonable man. You just like the 650 better. Nothing wrong with that. Some people hate the 550, some just dislike it, some really love it.

unclebob
04-07-2011, 15:22
Bob, your a reasonable man. You just like the 650 better. Nothing wrong with that. Some people hate the 550, some just dislike it, some really love it.

You are right I have owned both press's. I do like the 650 better. I do not hate the 550. And Like I said in the #7 post That he is the 550 range of reloading. But he asked other questions. Between the two press what is the safer of the two 550 or 650. In my option and yes it is my option I think the 650 is safer. One because of the auto indexing. And because of the Dillon powder check you can use as a backup to the visual check. And the Dillon one will give an audible and also a visual. So the Dillon will give you 3 checks to the other RCBS and Hornady 2.

labdwakin
04-08-2011, 06:55
Steve,
I have a 550 I'll trade ya for the LNL.... hehehehe

Colorado4Wheel
04-08-2011, 12:28
Steve,
I have a 550 I'll trade ya for the LNL.... hehehehe

Sounds good. Send it on over.

Ranger9mm
04-08-2011, 12:31
currently eying up a 550B and soon the money will be there for it, i go to BE's web site and visit the picks every now and then. :crying:

labdwakin
04-08-2011, 22:54
Sounds good. Send it on over.

*wondering if he's actually serious*:wow:

ron59
04-09-2011, 07:01
*wondering if he's actually serious*:wow:

I think you got that backwards.

Colorado4Wheel
04-09-2011, 09:05
Of course I am serious.

labdwakin
04-09-2011, 18:48
Of course I am serious.

Well, give me a couple of days to get my poop inna pile... kinda scattered out right now...

whenmonkeysfly
04-10-2011, 09:42
I don't have any experience with the 550, but I love my 650!


<a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb436/whenmonkeysfly/My%20Gun%20Room/?action=view&amp;current=GunRoom002.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb436/whenmonkeysfly/My%20Gun%20Room/GunRoom002.jpg" border="0" alt="My Dillon XL650 and Forster CO-AX"></a>

Colorado4Wheel
04-10-2011, 11:11
Well, give me a couple of days to get my poop inna pile... kinda scattered out right now...

I think I am just going to sell it. I got a phone call into Hornady. I will get satisfaction from them or just get them to send me a new Sub-plate and sell it. With a new sub-plate I can sell it and the owner can decide what he wants to use. I think it's just a bunch of hard primers from CCI. It works great with Federal. I think it just does not meet my expectations.

shotgunred
04-10-2011, 11:35
Have you had a chance to use anyone's 650?
Normally A 650 would make more sense than a 1050. But you have had access to several 1050 so you should have a better idea if they are worth the price difference.

Colorado4Wheel
04-10-2011, 15:01
Yeah, I got to use someone's older 650. It was pretty tired. Kinda likes Jacks 550 before I worked on it and made it smooth again.

GioaJack
04-10-2011, 15:06
Yup, Little Stevie did a dandy job tuning up my 550... the problem is now it only loads shotgun shells.

I'm afraid to call Dillon.


Jack