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polishnightmare
04-12-2011, 13:50
Wanted to see what everyones input is on a good gun powder for 40S&W. I currently use unique, but I heard others using titegroup, accurate NO.7, bullseye, etc.

Looking to see if there is anything out there that is more accurate, cleaner, and cheaper.

Thoughts?

GIockGuy24
04-12-2011, 14:01
I like Winchester Super Field, Ramshot Silhouette and Hodgdon HS-6. HS-6 is not the cleanest. Power Pistol works well but has a lot flash. Unique usually does well.

shotgunred
04-12-2011, 14:07
Depends on what you what to do with the round. I have rounds worked up with WST, WSF, Power Pistol and even the dreaded tightgroup that I like.
I am worried about accuracy and availability not price. Other than VV most powders are price close enough to not matter.

dwhite53
04-12-2011, 14:50
I tried 700X, Clays, AA#7 and Universal before trying Unique. Unique rocks with a hard cast 170gr. LSWC from Missouri Bullet. I can get 1.5 inch groups at 25 yards out of my G22 with stock barrel (don't start with the lead bullet, Glock barrel thing, please).

This load actually took a lot of the fun out of reloading .40 as there's no need to experiment to find something better, at least in the G22.

All the Best,
D. White

El_Ron1
04-12-2011, 14:50
I've always used Accurate No.5.

MajorD
04-12-2011, 15:30
nothing at all wrong with unique have used a lot of it. Also bullseye or winchester 231. My formula is to get whatever I can get a deal on that has established data for all the caliibers I reload (9/40/45/38/357) go to the load manual load a mid of the road load(for example if the range is 4 grain min 6 max I load 5 even) if the guns function with it, I am done experimenting.

fredj338
04-12-2011, 16:08
I tried 700X, Clays, AA#7 and Universal before trying Unique. Unique rocks with a hard cast 170gr. LSWC from Missouri Bullet. I can get 1.5 inch groups at 25 yards out of my G22 with stock barrel (don't start with the lead bullet, Glock barrel thing, please).

This load actually took a lot of the fun out of reloading .40 as there's no need to experiment to find something better, at least in the G22.

All the Best,
D. White
Yeah, Unique & lead bullets just works in just about every caliber. For better metering & slightly cleaner burning, try WSF. TG, I would use it for fertilizer before shooting it in a 40.:whistling: Longshot, PP or HS6 are also good choices for above midragne to full power loads.

nitesite10mm
04-12-2011, 16:49
Unique @ 5.7-gr gives me 993-fps over my chrono with a 180-gr Berry's or X-Treme plated bullet. Crimp is .423", COAL is around 1.215", it's clean burning and above all accurate. And I feel the burn rate is far safer than Titegroup or Bullseye or Clays or AA#2.

When factory Federal Hydra-Shok and HST 180-gr ammo advertise 1000-fps, this load is all I need as far as what I use to dupe my duty carry load.

I use Accurate #7 for my 10mm Auto 180s but I have not tried it in the forty. Why should I bother when Unique is just right for me?

DWARREN123
04-12-2011, 17:00
For medium to hot loads I like Hodgdons Longshot. Good for many weights and types of bullets.
Does not do lite/mild loads very well.

SilentVectorX
04-12-2011, 19:31
I found this a while ago, you might like it. Might not tell a lot about cleanliness, but these should be accurate and pleasant to shoot.

http://www.precisionbullets.com/PDF/maashl40sw.pdf

EDIT: I completely forgot these were Major loads. Beware!

shotgunred
04-12-2011, 20:18
I found this a while ago, you might like it. Might not tell a lot about cleanliness, but these should be accurate and pleasant to shoot.

http://www.precisionbullets.com/PDF/maashl40sw.pdf

You better know what you are doing if you are going to use that chart. A lot of those are major + power factor and some of them are at the blow up your gun level.

squirreld
04-12-2011, 20:29
Unique @ 5.7-gr gives me 993-fps over my chrono with a 180-gr Berry's or X-Treme plated bullet. Crimp is .423", COAL is around 1.215".

I am at 5.8 gr. gives me 988 with a 180 gr PD.
Ditto on the crimp, my coal is 1.125.

fourrobert13
04-12-2011, 23:35
I've shot a lot of Bullseye and Red Dot with excellent results in 40. I'm currently playing with Power Pistol, HS-6, Green Dot, and 231.

fredj338
04-13-2011, 00:03
I found this a while ago, you might like it. Might not tell a lot about cleanliness, but these should be accurate and pleasant to shoot.

http://www.precisionbullets.com/PDF/maashl40sw.pdf

EDIT: I completely forgot these were Major loads. Beware!
Look at the guns they are running them in too. Many 1911 designs w/ 5" bbls. Interesting that they don't take advantage of the ability to load to a longer OAL & reduce pressures. The TG loads listed are all running the ragged edge of max. Anytime you do that w/ the 40, you are in dangerous territory.

El_Ron1
04-13-2011, 00:38
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SPIN2010
04-13-2011, 00:40
Another user of AA#5 here with 180gr FMJ bullets. :cool:

skeeter7
04-13-2011, 01:35
I use Winchester 231 because the gun shop I frequent always make sure he has some on the shelf. He says it's been really popular. Another friend of mine also uses the same powder in his 9mm's and likes it as well. I load my 40 S&W with 4.4 grains of Win 231, CCI primers, and 180 grain FMJ's.

ChrisJn
04-13-2011, 07:11
Accurate #5, 7.3gr, 155gr Berrys bullet, OAL 1.125, Federal primers.

G36pilot
04-13-2011, 07:52
Look at the guns they are running them in too. Many 1911 designs w/ 5" bbls. Interesting that they don't take advantage of the ability to load to a longer OAL & reduce pressures. The TG loads listed are all running the ragged edge of max. Anytime you do that w/ the 40, you are in dangerous territory.

+1 Just worked up a reliable Titegroup/180 gr PD for my LW barreled G27 & G23. Lower powder weights worked in the G23, but not the shorter barrel G27. For the G27 I'm too close to max for my comfort. I'm guessing the fast burn/short duration combustion pulse doesn't work well in stiff springed mini Glocks. It's too quick for reliable cycling at mid pressures.

Another issue I have with this load is the powder level is difficult to visually check unless it's significantly off. Could be my older eyes and yes I have a light shining directly into cases. (progressive loader btw)

The above is my experience w/my pistols. One being a mini w/a stiff spring. YMMV- as Fredj mentioned earlier loads are firearm specific. TG is not my preference for my particular application.

Working up a Unique load next.

polishnightmare
04-13-2011, 08:17
Thanks guys. Of the different types of powders listed above which do you think is the cleanest shooting?

fredj338
04-13-2011, 09:11
+1 Just worked up a reliable Titegroup/180 gr PD for my LW barreled G27 & G23. Lower powder weights worked in the G23, but not the shorter barrel G27. For the G27 I'm too close to max for my comfort. I'm guessing the fast burn/short duration combustion pulse doesn't work well in stiff springed mini Glocks. It's too quick for reliable cycling at mid pressures.

Another issue I have with this load is the powder level is difficult to visually check unless it's significantly off. Could be my older eyes and yes I have a light shining directly into cases. (progressive loader btw)

The above is my experience w/my pistols. One being a mini w/a stiff spring. YMMV- as Fredj mentioned earlier loads are firearm specific. TG is not my preference for my particular application.

Working up a Unique load next.
This is my biggest complaint on TG, small charge vol. WST runs just a bit slower & 1.5x the volumn per charge wt & burns cooler, why would anyone use TG? Primarily because someone told them it's so cheap, "you can get another 200rds/#", spare me.:faint:

shotgunred
04-13-2011, 15:50
My favorite 40 SW load 180 gr right now is tightgroup. The cost of the powder has nothing to do with it. Tightgroup is a great powder for IDPA power factor loads with the 180. It groups well, my gun shoots it very flat and it is more accurate than my win 231 and WSF loads. I will agree that my biggest complaint on Tightgroup is small charge volume. Especially true in a 40 SW case. But I am using it in the narrow band that it excels in. I also agree with you and do not ever recommend it to a new reloader. But it is not a bad powder. It is a limited use powder.

I am currently playing with WST but I don't think that it is going to work out as good as Tightgroup for plated but we will see. So far I have just run 100 rounds of 40 SW 180 gr. It certianly smokes less with lead though.

EKUJustice
04-13-2011, 16:05
Use titegroup in my 40sw for uspsa. I have a light looking into my cases and verify there is powder and not a double shot of powder. I have a system I use on my 550 where I Check powder, insert bullet then turn the shell plate. If I start back up, the case under the powder drop is always double checked.

Boxerglocker
04-13-2011, 16:19
I am currently playing with WST but I don't think that it is going to work out as good as Tightgroup for plated but we will see. So far I have just run 100 rounds of 40 SW 180 gr. It certianly smokes less with lead though.

TG is a better minor gamer load in .40 S&W in my opinion. However harsher recoil impulse as you get up toward major PF. I use alot of WST for .40 low weight bullets and 180 alike before giving up the caliber. YMMV

Roering
04-13-2011, 16:32
Yeah, Unique & lead bullets just works in just about every caliber. For better metering & slightly cleaner burning, try WSF. TG, I would use it for fertilizer before shooting it in a 40.:whistling: Longshot, PP or HS6 are also good choices for above midragne to full power loads.

I didn't know gunpowder made for good fertilizer.

shotgunred
04-13-2011, 16:39
I gave up the 40 last year. I shot nothing but 9mm all year long in 2010. But the truth of the matter for me is I just prefer the 40.

Mastering A good load for lead 180 would just be great. As it would lower my cost over $80 a K.

W4CNG
04-15-2011, 11:45
I'm using AA2 and Unique with 200GR FMJ in my G-35 with aftermarket barrel and Universal Clays with 200 Gr FMJ seated to 10mm length in my Para 16-40. All run clean with no issues. I also have a G-RX for full length sizing. The Para shoots softer than the Glock and both make major PF for IPSC.

1glockfan23
04-15-2011, 11:48
I personally like the feel of Power Pistol powder. I usually use 6.2 grains of PP with 180 grain FMJ or Plated FP. Feels great, and is accurate.

ChrisJn
04-15-2011, 12:43
I didn't know gunpowder made for good fertilizer.

Garden fertilizer contains an item that is in gun powder which, mixed with another household item, goes boom. The staple of many terrorist organizations who cannot get their hands on commercial explosives.

dwhite53
04-15-2011, 15:53
I was surprised how clean Unique burned in my .40 loads. It was as clean as anything else I tried. Once you get the pressure up on it the stuff does burn very efficiently.

All the Best,
D. White

fredj338
04-15-2011, 16:30
I was surprised how clean Unique burned in my .40 loads. It was as clean as anything else I tried. Once you get the pressure up on it the stuff does burn very efficiently.

All the Best,
D. White
Yeah, it gets a bad rap from guys running it in lower pressure applications. I love it in the 40, upper midrange magnum loads & upper end 9mm, especially w/ lead bullets. Something about Unique & lead bullets, magic.

justinsaneok
04-15-2011, 21:58
Yeah, it gets a bad rap from guys running it in lower pressure applications. I love it in the 40, upper midrange magnum loads & upper end 9mm, especially w/ lead bullets. Something about Unique & lead bullets, magic.
Yup, I found pushing it just below the max in my G22 working my way up from 5.7 the harder I pushed it a grain later I started shooting 1.75 group at 30 YARDS yes from the bench but still I couldn't believe it. Funny how it was 12" groups at 5.7 and shrunk like 2" every tenth of powder I put in. It burns really clean too another thing I didn't expect! I'm going to stay with the unique but try AA 5 and AA 7