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BSA70
04-16-2011, 13:03
About ready to cast some bullets. Trying to find a good lube.
Googleiing shows some love and some hate Lee allox.

Then I see there is a Felix lube. I like the idea you make it. But may be expensive once you buy all the ingreidants. Would you have to use Bees Wax in this. Not sure I could get that.

These bullets will be .38 shot out of snub nose and sp101.

What do you guys advise? Is there a cheap alternative that will do?

Thankyou

sig357fan
04-17-2011, 05:14
I'm currently using BAC from White Label Lube linked below.

http://www.lsstuff.com/lube/

you will need a paypal account if you want to order over the net.

they only correspond through e-mail and may be considered slow compared to other web venders but the prices are the best Iíve seen and Iím really liking the BAC I got from them.

sig357fan

WiskyT
04-17-2011, 07:40
Liquid alox rules. I just lubed 600 bullets in 30 seconds. Don't use too much. How much is too much? The amount you used last time is too much. No matter how little you used, you should have used a little less. A rough guestimate is two tablespoons added to a container of 500 bullets.

I get mine from the WhiteLabel guy. Jack gets his Dewar's from the same guy, but his Johnny Walker comes from the Black Lable guy.

BSA70
04-17-2011, 08:10
Thanks guys, that's what I am looking for! Is his xlox the same as lee's alox lube" Would a 32 oz bottle last a long time?

Would this take care of any leading issue that may arise from soft lead"

Thanks

WiskyT
04-17-2011, 08:23
Thanks guys, that's what I am looking for! Is his xlox the same as lee's alox lube" Would a 32 oz bottle last a long time?

Would this take care of any leading issue that may arise from soft lead"

Thanks

Okay, you're dipping into a couple of different areas at this point, so I'll try to seperate them and answer them with MY OPINIONS based on my experience. Generally speaking, I don't think lube makes much of a difference regarding leading. That's why there are a million lubes. They all work and everyone thinks they have the discovered the "secret". Leading is caused by several factors and no lube is going to correct a load that is doomes to fail.

I use soft lead. It's not much harder than swaged lead bullets. I get leading if I exceed the bullets ability to hold up to the forces of the powder behind it. In short, if I keep fast powders (Bullseye) to target velocities, medium powders (Unique) for +P type loads (25kpsi or so), and save the full blown 35kpsi stuff for slow powders (2400), I get no leading.

I don't know the physics or chemistry behind what I have experienced, but it is repeatable. If you look at Elmer's load data, he was doing the same thing, fast for target, medium for "stout" loads, and slow for full blown loads with his magnums.

And the simple part is yes, "Xlox" is the same as "Alox". I don't know how long a 32 ounce bottle will last because I've been using mine for a few years and it still has a few years left on it. Id' say 10,000 bullets would be a low-ball figure for how much it would do. It's kind of like guessing the number of jelly beans in a jar.

BSA70
04-17-2011, 08:28
Okay, you're dipping into a couple of different areas at this point, so I'll try to seperate them and answer them with MY OPINIONS based on my experience. Generally speaking, I don't think lube makes much of a difference regarding leading. That's why there are a million lubes. They all work and everyone thinks they have the discovered the "secret". Leading is caused by several factors and no lube is going to correct a load that is doomes to fail.

I use soft lead. It's not much harder than swaged lead bullets. I get leading if I exceed the bullets ability to hold up to the forces of the powder behind it. In short, if I keep fast powders (Bullseye) to target velocities, medium powders (Unique) for +P type loads (25kpsi or so), and save the full blown 35kpsi stuff for slow powders (2400), I get no leading.

I don't know the physics or chemistry behind what I have experienced, but it is repeatable. If you look at Elmer's load data, he was doing the same thing, fast for target, medium for "stout" loads, and slow for full blown loads with his magnums.

And the simple part is yes, "Xlox" is the same as "Alox". I don't know how long a 32 ounce bottle will last because I've been using mine for a few years and it still has a few years left on it. Id' say 10,000 bullets would be a low-ball figure for how much it would do. It's kind of like guessing the number of jelly beans in a jar.

Thanks a bunch! I use ramshot zip, so maybe I will be ok.

WiskyT
04-17-2011, 08:43
I have not used Zip. But I have used several powders in the same burning range. Green Dot, 231, Bullseye, Red Dot. I think it would be fine for standard 38 loads, like a 158 at 750fps. It will likely, but not definately, do well at +P like 850fps, and I can almost guarantee you it will be lousy at magnum 1200fps velocity. I woud start at the bottom and work up. When you start getting leading and lousy groups, even keyholing, you went too far with that powder.

That's no problem though because Ramshot, and others, make other powders for the heavier stuff.

fredj338
04-19-2011, 18:27
I have never been a fan of Alox for bullet lube. Yeah, it works, so do othe things. I find it sticky & unless you tweek it w/ mineal spirits or JPW, it's just messy to load with. Like Whisky said, leading isn;t about the lube so much, alsthough it can help in hogh pressre/high vel apllications, it does affect accuracy though, sometimes a lot. So Alox may or may not work for you, just depends on the load, gun & shooter. Try it, if you like it & like tumble lubing, you are good to go. If not, go to the WHiteLabel site & order some 50/50, BAC or CarnubaRed. Lar's makes teally good rpoducts & very cheap compared to many other commercial lubes.
BTW, making your own isn't diff & the simple lubes like BW, & Alox or BW & vasoline will rok fine for most low vel pistol rounds. BW is readily available on line at many sources. Like anything, buy enough to make shipping owrkout & it's not too pricey, but you can't beat WL lubes IMO.

Colorado4Wheel
04-19-2011, 18:44
If your sizing you end up lubing with Alox, then sizing, then lubing again. You end up with a sticky bullet. I guess if you never let loaded bullets hit the ground it's not a big deal. I practice with mag drops during reloads so my stuff collects dirt/sand with alox. I just can't put it down my barrel with sand clinging to the bullet.

BSA70
04-19-2011, 20:44
I have never been a fan of Alox for bullet lube. Yeah, it works, so do othe things. I find it sticky & unless you tweek it w/ mineal spirits or JPW, it's just messy to load with. Like Whisky said, leading isn;t about the lube so much, alsthough it can help in hogh pressre/high vel apllications, it does affect accuracy though, sometimes a lot. So Alox may or may not work for you, just depends on the load, gun & shooter. Try it, if you like it & like tumble lubing, you are good to go. If not, go to the WHiteLabel site & order some 50/50, BAC or CarnubaRed. Lar's makes teally good rpoducts & very cheap compared to many other commercial lubes.
BTW, making your own isn't diff & the simple lubes like BW, & Alox or BW & vasoline will rok fine for most low vel pistol rounds. BW is readily available on line at many sources. Like anything, buy enough to make shipping owrkout & it's not too pricey, but you can't beat WL lubes IMO.

When you say BW is that bees wax? What is the ratio mixture with vasoline?

Thanks a bunch!

MrVvrroomm
04-19-2011, 21:41
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fredj338
04-20-2011, 08:51
When you say BW is that bees wax? What is the ratio mixture with vasoline?

Thanks a bunch!

There are a lot of variations, depends on how you want to lube. If pan lubing, maybe a little softer, if using a luber sizer, mayber a little harder. Start w/ 50/50 ratio by weight, add more BW to stiffen, more vasoline to soften (Jack, were talking bullet lube here, not a substitute for Viagra:supergrin:).
I just find a luber/sizer so much easier than other methods for the results I want. Like C4W, I don't like sticky bullets, they just collect more dirt, gum up hte seating die, etc. So I use a harder luber that requires some heat & a luber/sizer w/ a heater. Yes it cost more, but it's always what works for the individual.

GioaJack
04-20-2011, 09:05
If you keep things stiff enough you don't even want to go shooting. Saves on scrounging for wheel weights.


Jack

Frank V
04-21-2011, 20:32
I really Javilina, it's an alox based lube. Lately I've been using SPG for everything. It's billed as a great Black Powder bullet lube. Mike Venturino writes about it. He says it'll work well for smokeless too. I've tried it & it does, now I use it for everything. I'm not trying for real high velocitys, & it works well for me.
Frank

fredj338
04-22-2011, 08:52
I really Javilina, it's an alox based lube. Lately I've been using SPG for everything. It's billed as a great Black Powder bullet lube. Mike Venturino writes about it. He says it'll work well for smokeless too. I've tried it & it does, now I use it for everything. I'm not trying for real high velocitys, & it works well for me.
Frank

It's just so expensive. You can make a sim lube using BW & Crisco instead of vasoline. BP does not like carbon based oils/grease.

ColCol
04-23-2011, 14:24
I'm currently using BAC from White Label Lube linked below.

http://www.lsstuff.com/lube/

you will need a paypal account if you want to order over the net.

they only correspond through e-mail and may be considered slow compared to other web venders but the prices are the best Iíve seen and Iím really liking the BAC I got from them.

sig357fan

Ditto on this lube-superb and cheap and you get to deal with wonderful folks as well.

BSA70
04-28-2011, 13:33
Ditto on this lube-superb and cheap and you get to deal with wonderful folks as well.


I understand how to apply liquid xlox but how do you go about using BAC? Will one tube last a very long time or do need to use several.

I've about decided to go with xlox. Just dont like the idea of it remaining tacky.

thanks

GioaJack
04-28-2011, 14:05
If you don't want tacky lube, especially in warm weather, you're probably going to have to invest in a sizer/luber with a heated base and use a fairly high temp lube.

Even the old stand by Javelina gets sticky. Fred and other like Carnauba Red which has a flow rate of around 115-120 degrees. I prefer something a bit stiffer like Blue Angel or one of its several clones with a flow rate of 125 degrees. Prices are very similar with the Blue Angel clone running about ten cents a tube less through Magma/Star.


Jack