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SOLIDSNAK3
04-25-2011, 22:11
new to the 1911 world, so i have some newb questions.

im looking at buying my first 1911, but id like to have a railed 1911. i have heard that having a railed 1911 throws off the balance of the gun. is this true?

also, i have my eye on a colt government model with a rail for 999.00. is this a good deal? is colt a good brand as a starter 1911 or is there something better? my budget is no more than 1100.00

bac1023
04-25-2011, 22:18
It depends on what you're used to.

glock2740
04-25-2011, 22:25
Railed 1911's are horrible! But yet,... I want one. WTF is wrong with me? :dunno:Maybe I just "need" one for the collection. :cool:


:rofl:

20South
04-25-2011, 22:25
You'll have to forgive BAC. Non-railed 1911's dominate so much of the threads around here that its not often he gets a chance to talk about all of the things he loves with the railed 1911. I am sure he is just regrouping his thoughts. :whistling: :rofl:

Yes - I think the colt rail is a fine starter piece. Its a good base to build on down the road if you decide to tinker or send it out. I cant help you with price as I havent shopped them, but checking gunbroker should give you a decent gauge.

MD357
04-26-2011, 00:29
have heard that having a railed 1911 throws off the balance of the gun. is this true?



No. In fact I'd say whomever told you that is smoking crack. Shooting a 1911 with a rail and a light can be quite mild.

i have my eye on a colt government model with a rail for 999.00. is this a good deal? is colt a good brand as a starter 1911 or is there something better? my budget is no more than 1100.00

I'd say that's one of the better choices IMO.

drc767
04-26-2011, 05:41
Whoever told you a rail throws off the balance of a 1911, does not have too much experience with what they speak. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a 1911 with a rail if you plan on using the rail (ie. duty gun, nightstand pistol, ect). I would, however suggest you practice/train with the light attached because it does make the pistol feed a little different. If you plan on carrying the railed 1911, holster selection is a little more tricky, but they are out there. A Colt is a good starting point. Personally, I am more of a Springfield guy for entry level pistols, but that is just a personal preference.

Quack
04-26-2011, 05:51
For $1100, I'd get a Springfield MC Operator or LW Operator.
For $900 look at the LW Champion Operator.

I bought my Professional Operator for $1500.

The rail doesn't throw the balance off much. Whoever told you that is probably the type of person that says that they can't shoot a Glock because of the grip angle. ****** has blade-tech holsters on sale for 1911's using the X300 light. I just ordered mine the other day.

Here's mine.
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-j4bct2L/0/L/i-j4bct2L-L.jpg

drc767
04-26-2011, 06:11
For $1100, I'd get a Springfield MC Operator or LW Operator.
For $900 look at the LW Champion Operator.

I bought my Professional Operator for $1500.

The rail doesn't throw the balance off much. Whoever told you that is probably the type of person that says that they can't shoot a Glock because of the grip angle. ****** has blade-tech holsters on sale for 1911's using the X300 light. I just ordered mine the other day.

Here's mine.
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-j4bct2L/0/L/i-j4bct2L-L.jpg

OK....if you are going to go there....:) And btw.....$1,500 for a Professional Operator is sick!!!

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/drc767/SAPro013.jpg

bac1023
04-26-2011, 06:13
Guys, I guess I need to pick myself up a Pro. :)









...without the rail, of course. ;)

Seriously, nice guns.











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d90king
04-26-2011, 06:14
The Colt Rail Gun should fit the bill nicely. Balance is a non issue with a rail and it balances better than a 19 with a X300 on it IMHO...

Quack
04-26-2011, 06:20
http://www.******tactical.com/blbehow.html

lsbbigdog
04-26-2011, 06:25
I have a Kimber Warrior. It's been very reliable .

drc767
04-26-2011, 06:29
Guys, I guess I need to pick myself up a Pro. :).


I have a few on order that I am expecting later in the year, Brian. I will let you know when they start rolling in....that is, if you have not already picked one up by then.

knedrgr
04-26-2011, 06:40
Like others have mentioned, it's way more balanced then some plastic guns with a rail.

Obviously, the only balance difference will be from shooting it with and without the light.

And I'm with drc767 on being more of a SA guy. Quack listed average pricing for your options of Springfield's rail 1911 offerings.

I'm building a 1911 rail for a night stand gun.

ImpeachObama
04-26-2011, 06:43
I have a Sig 1911 5" in stainless with a rail on order. I'm starting to drool thinking about it.

glock2740
04-26-2011, 07:10
For $1100, I'd get a Springfield MC Operator or LW Operator.
For $900 look at the LW Champion Operator.

I bought my Professional Operator for $1500.

The rail doesn't throw the balance off much. Whoever told you that is probably the type of person that says that they can't shoot a Glock because of the grip angle. ****** has blade-tech holsters on sale for 1911's using the X300 light. I just ordered mine the other day.

Here's mine.
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-j4bct2L/0/L/i-j4bct2L-L.jpg

OK....if you are going to go there....:) And btw.....$1,500 for a Professional Operator is sick!!!

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/drc767/SAPro013.jpg
Good looking guns. I wish I could find one for $1500. That's a deal and a half.

RMA
04-26-2011, 07:16
Guys, I guess I need to pick myself up a Pro. :)









...without the rail, of course. ;)

Seriously, nice guns.











.
Yes you finally do. :supergrin: I have been shooting mine quite a bit actually. Mine is showing quite a bit of barrel wear by now (5k later) at least!

Quack
04-26-2011, 07:21
Good looking guns. I wish I could find one for $1500. That's a deal and a half.

There was at least another one at the shop. Someone else bought it and the story is that they came from an LE Agency in northern Ohio.

Big_Grumpy
04-26-2011, 07:50
I still like the Smith and Wesson's ~$900 for stainless or black. It does differ from the original 1911 design by having an external extractor, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

http://guns4u.info/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/108303_large.jpg

TKR Reptiles
04-26-2011, 07:54
Not a professional, but ya know we can't all roll like you two...


http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn5/boafanatic17/IMG_0107.jpg?t=1303826049
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn5/boafanatic17/f7f5f790.jpg?t=1303825981

GJ1981
04-26-2011, 08:21
I've never noticed a significant difference in balance of a railed vs non-railed frame. To me, it feels just about right.

1K isn't too bad on the Colt, though they are closer to $900 locally.



I like the Dawson setup better since it doesn't have all the snagging points a normal rail has.
<a href="http://s319.photobucket.com/albums/mm441/gj1981/Nighthawk%20Enforcer/?action=view&amp;current=DSC00319.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm441/gj1981/Nighthawk%20Enforcer/DSC00319.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Mine is showing quite a bit of barrel hood wear by now (5k later) at least!

One of the best ways to tell a safequeen Pro from one that's be used is the lack of Black-T on the barrel hood. :thumbsup:

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
04-26-2011, 08:22
I personally like railed 1911s. It cuts down on the recoil more.

Here is mine:

(I know some of the guys here are sick of seeing the photo :) )

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/Operator-red2.jpg

Hokie1911
04-26-2011, 08:30
I've never noticed a significant difference in balance of a railed vs non-railed frame. To me, it feels just about right.

1K isn't too bad on the Colt, though they are closer to $900 locally.

I like the Dawson setup better since it doesn't have all the snagging points a normal rail has.


I like the Dawson alot too. When I was talking to SACS about having a railed Custom Carry built and said that I wanted a Dawson vs their Operator frame, I was told if I chose that, they would not warranty the frame for any failures. According to them, the Dawson weakens the frame and will ultimately lead to a failure in the integrity of the frame.

I was going to respond by saying the LTW guys seem to use the Dawson quite a bit, and I would trust their judgement... but I just let it ride and didn't do the build with SACS anyway.

GJ1981
04-26-2011, 08:38
When I was talking to SACS about having a railed Custom Carry built and said that I wanted a Dawson vs their Operator frame, I was told if I chose that, they would not warranty the frame for any failures. According to them, the Dawson weakens the frame and will ultimately lead to a failure in the integrity of the frame.

I was going to respond by saying the LTW guys seem to use the Dawson quite a bit, and I would trust their judgement... but I just let it ride and didn't do the build with SACS anyway.

Interesting, before I bought my NH I considered having SA install a Dawson on my CC, to save some $, and was told everything would still be covered by their warranty. Did Dave of Deb tell you that?

I had George ask NH about the same and NH is keeping the warranty on my frame as long as I don't mess with the rail, as in trying to remove it.

When I talked with Dave Erickson about some work he told me a Dawson wouldn't be a problem, but if I was planning on high volume shooting with the light attached, he recommended an integral rail.

Hokie1911
04-26-2011, 08:41
Interesting, before I bought my NH I considered having SA install a Dawson on my CC, to save some $, and was told everything would still be covered by their warranty. Did Dave of Deb tell you that?

I had George ask NH about the same and NH is keeping the warranty on my frame as long as I don't mess with the rail, as in trying to remove it.

When I talked with Dave Erickson about some work he told me a Dawson wouldn't be a problem, but if I was planning on high volume shooting with the light attached, he recommended an integral rail.

Yep. :thumbsup:

GJ1981
04-26-2011, 08:58
Yep. :thumbsup:

:shocked:...then again, not really. She gave me so much conflicting info when I was planning my builds. That should have been my red flag.

Glockdude1
04-26-2011, 09:07
I personally like railed 1911s. It cuts down on the recoil more.

Here is mine:

(I know some of the guys here are sick of seeing the photo :) )

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/Operator-red2.jpg

That is one fine 1911.

:thumbsup:

SOLIDSNAK3
04-26-2011, 09:40
lots of good info here. thanks! i think i'll look into the springfield. its hard to find them locally though!

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
04-26-2011, 11:58
That is one fine 1911.

:thumbsup:

Thanks :supergrin:

bac1023
04-26-2011, 12:01
Thanks :supergrin:

I'm glad you still have it. ;)

Hokie1911
04-26-2011, 12:08
I'm glad you still have it. ;)

...for now. :whistling:

How long is the line now waiting to buy it? :rofl:

Glockdude1
04-26-2011, 12:13
...for now. :whistling:

How long is the line now waiting to buy it? :rofl:

I'm first in line....... :supergrin:

ijacek
04-26-2011, 12:25
Nothing wrong with Colt RG, matter of fact it was my first 1911.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/jac3k/P3082785.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/jac3k/P3082797.jpg

I said first, because the O1991 followed shortly thereafter :supergrin:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/jac3k/P5022896.jpg

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
04-26-2011, 13:23
...for now. :whistling:

How long is the line now waiting to buy it? :rofl:

:supergrin::supergrin:

No, no plans to sell it... As it is 9mm, I'm gonna keep it. I don't get around to shooting it very often, but it is the most accurate 9mm I have ever shot before.

I still haven't gotten around to trying JHP in it, since it is mostly a range toy.

Quack
04-26-2011, 13:26
But I have Beretta's to trade you :animlol:

rainman33
04-26-2011, 13:46
What are the odds we will see a Ruger SR1911 with a rail? Or how about a railed RIA?

GeorgiaRedfish
04-26-2011, 14:08
What are the odds we will see a Ruger SR1911 with a rail? Or how about a railed RIA?
RIA is coming out with one.

Hokie1911
04-26-2011, 14:11
RIA is coming out with one.

Thanks for the late-breaking news dude.

This just in as well...

http://images1.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/1912-Newspaper-rms-titanic-849985_400_300.jpg

GeorgiaRedfish
04-26-2011, 14:15
You know me I am always on the in.

Hokie1911
04-26-2011, 14:28
You know me I am always on the in.

Did you hear...Ruger is coming out with a 1911. :tongueout:

GeorgiaRedfish
04-26-2011, 14:30
Did you hear...Ruger is coming out with a 1911. :tongueout:
Ya but did you know the world isn't flat? That is the big news.

Hokie1911
04-26-2011, 14:31
Ya but did you know the world isn't flat? That is the big news.

Not according to Don...

GeorgiaRedfish
04-26-2011, 14:32
Not according to Don...
I'm convinced he see only 2 dimensions, he thinks his finger is flat.

Hokie1911
04-26-2011, 14:41
I'm convinced he see only 2 dimensions, he thinks his finger is flat.

He thinks my finger is flat too. :supergrin:

CaptCave
04-26-2011, 15:07
http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad173/captcave/DSC00498.jpg

I'm sorta fond of them:wavey:

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
04-26-2011, 15:51
But I have Beretta's to trade you :animlol:

Well hell then, let's do it :rofl:

Send them over...

I took my newest 92A1 out again, and damn, I love the platform. I'll take all the jazz from you guys and won't care. I like the Berettas too much :whistling:

awpk03s
04-26-2011, 16:49
Springfields are a nice railed gun in the price range you're looking for.

The rail doesn't have any adverse effect on balance or shooting, especially on a full sized 5" gun.

The main knock people have against railed 1911s are cosmetic and tradition - they don't look as good or as nice as a traditional non-railed 1911.

Personally, I wanted a 1911 in my nightstand, and I wanted it to have a light, therefore railed 1911 coming right up... I like mine a lot.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/mba656/guns/DSC03113.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/mba656/guns/DSC03114.jpg

Quack
04-26-2011, 16:56
He thinks my finger is flat too. :supergrin:

but you shoot flatter with the flat trigger :tongueout:

Hokie1911
04-26-2011, 16:58
but you shoot flatter with the flat trigger :tongueout:

We will see when a side by side comparison is done. :whistling:

Quack
04-26-2011, 17:05
We will see when a side by side comparison is done. :whistling:

seemed like you shot the gun that was 1/4 the cost better and it had a flat trigger. :tongueout:

Hokie1911
04-26-2011, 17:08
seemed like you shot the gun that was 1/4 the cost better and it had a flat trigger. :tongueout:

Probably because 5" guns are easier to shoot? :dunno:

Quack
04-26-2011, 17:18
you shot my KC better too.

Hokie1911
04-26-2011, 17:31
you shot my KC better too.

I don't remember that. :whistling:

snowcrash75
04-26-2011, 17:32
(I know some of the guys here are sick of seeing the photo :) )

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/Operator-red2.jpg

NOT ME!!!! That is beautiful. I am coveting thy neighbor's firearm...

Quack
04-26-2011, 17:35
I don't remember that. :whistling:

now you're just gonna shoot my KC bad so that you won't bow down to the flat trigger.:whistling:

Hokie1911
04-26-2011, 17:43
now you're just gonna shoot my KC bad so that you won't bow down to the flat trigger.:whistling:

I can neither confirm or deny this accusation. :supergrin:

Quack
04-26-2011, 17:47
:animlol:

rainman33
04-27-2011, 18:33
Got this link from another forum:http://www.americanhandgunner.com/rock-island-armory/ (http://www.americanhandgunner.com/rock-island-armory/)

It will give you an idea of what the RIA will be like. I like it, but am really interested to see how the rugers turn out. If and when they come out with a railed version.

Hokie1911
04-27-2011, 18:37
Got this link from another forum:http://www.americanhandgunner.com/rock-island-armory/ (http://www.americanhandgunner.com/rock-island-armory/)

It will give you an idea of what the RIA will be like. I like it, but am really interested to see how the rugers turn out. If and when they come out with a railed version.

Nothing like showcasing your new product in a practical application. Railed bayonet? They should be embarrassed. FAIL.

Big_Grumpy
04-27-2011, 18:43
I don't see the utilization of a full rail unless you really want to stick a bayonet on the end of your gun.:dunno: I like a half rail for your Streamlight or whatever, but a bayonet????

Mr. Gekko
04-27-2011, 18:44
Nothing like showcasing your new product in a practical application. Railed bayonet? They should be embarrassed. FAIL.

I can't believe they did that. Come on guys, put a damn light on it. Not a freaking pistol bayonet. :upeyes:

Hokie1911
04-27-2011, 18:50
I can't believe they did that. Come on guys, put a damn light on it. Not a freaking pistol bayonet. :upeyes:

The first time I saw the new Gen4 Glock at a shop, they had it in the case with a bayonet on it. I asked the honk working why they would have that on there, and his response was "ummm, because it's cool as fook". Yes, really.

knedrgr
04-27-2011, 18:53
The first time I saw the new Gen4 Glock at a shop, they had it in the case with a bayonet on it. I asked the honk working why they would have that on there, and his response was "ummm, because it's cool as fook". Yes, really.

I call that WINNING!!!

Hokie1911
04-27-2011, 18:55
I call that WINNING!!!

(I immediately bought it........................with the bayonet.)

knedrgr
04-27-2011, 19:01
(I immediately bought it........................with the bayonet.)

Why do you think I started my HD Project...that's right, a bayonet will be on its rail. :cool:

d90king
04-27-2011, 19:46
Got this link from another forum:http://www.americanhandgunner.com/rock-island-armory/ (http://www.americanhandgunner.com/rock-island-armory/)

It will give you an idea of what the RIA will be like. I like it, but am really interested to see how the rugers turn out. If and when they come out with a railed version.

I guess they tipped their hat to who their target demo will be... Dumb and dumber.:upeyes:

Hokie1911
04-27-2011, 19:47
I guess they tipped their hat to who their target demo will be... Dumb and dumber.:upeyes:

http://media.fakeposters.com/results/2009/07/25/o8bj2poei1.jpg

Ruggles
04-28-2011, 16:27
I like em! This is the one George is holding for me now :)

http://i53.tinypic.com/j0ckrt.jpg

:wavey:

jrs93accord
04-28-2011, 16:46
I like the railed 1911s. I have just a few.

S&W 1911 Tactical Rail SS
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2010/009.jpg

SA MC Operator
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2010/003-4.jpg

Kimber Desert Warrior
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2010/007-5.jpg

I would still like to have a railed Colt and an ATI Thunderbolt.

bac1023
04-28-2011, 17:19
I would still like to have a railed Colt and an ATI Thunderbolt.

Fred had the Thunderbolt last year. Its heavy.

In fact, the standard Military ATI is heavy. They're good, solid guns for the price.

denn1911
04-28-2011, 22:47
This thread is full of railed beauties! :drool: Makes me want one too.

MattinMD
04-29-2011, 22:29
Got this link from another forum:http://www.americanhandgunner.com/rock-island-armory/ (http://www.americanhandgunner.com/rock-island-armory/)

It will give you an idea of what the RIA will be like. I like it, but am really interested to see how the rugers turn out. If and when they come out with a railed version.

Anybody know when this is actually going to be for sale?