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TheBigCroaker
04-30-2011, 04:14
Anyone tried either Lake City (Federal) 5.56 M855 SS109 Penetrator ammo yet. Looks like surplus being sold everywhere;
or PMC X-TAC 5.56 SS109 Light armor piercing.
Both have excellent price right now, but wondering if the Lake City is a bit scruffy (seconds).

eracer
04-30-2011, 04:47
Winchester Ranger M855 seems to perk up the ears of experienced shooters.

AK_Stick
04-30-2011, 06:21
All M855, and SS109, are going to perform the same, they're all built to the same standard.


Similarly, all the M193 loads, are the same.

What is it you want to shoot through?

eracer
04-30-2011, 06:34
All M855, and SS109, are going to perform the same, they're all built to the same standard.


Similarly, all the M193 loads, are the same.

What is it you want to shoot through?Not exactly true.

http://www.ak47.net/lite/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=519740

KalashniKEV
04-30-2011, 06:48
Not exactly true.

http://www.ak47.net/lite/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=519740

~20 FPS is actually pretty darn close.

As far as the accuracy sampling, 3 groups of each brand is just not enough.

eracer
04-30-2011, 06:53
~20 FPS is actually pretty darn close.

As far as the accuracy sampling, 3 groups of each brand is just not enough.

I would wager that 200 rounds of IMI or Ranger will outshoot 200 rounds of PMC - all else being equal.

I'll not say more on this, since it's really a moot point, and I don't want to be argumentative.

All M855 rounds are essentially the same. But there are differences, particularly in accuracy.

AK_Stick
04-30-2011, 10:44
They're all made to the same standard, hence the M855 designation.

there's still a range allowed in the tolerances. Priv/PMC may not have the strictest QC, but I'd bet they fall within the normal specs for the load.

woclimit2008
04-30-2011, 18:53
Not exactly true.

http://www.ak47.net/lite/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=519740

But not exactly wrong.

Kegs
04-30-2011, 18:58
Black tip. :wavey:

JK-linux
04-30-2011, 18:59
.....

cowboy1964
04-30-2011, 19:21
"Not for duty use" most likely means ammo that didn't meet full specs, i.e. rejected ammo. Probably still works for the most part. Ok for plinking, not for duty use (gee, where did we hear that before?)

ri.ben
04-30-2011, 22:14
hey blkrifle forum.first post over here for me i think.

from what i've read the 193 penetrates steel as well as 855 under 100 yards.the 855 was made to penetrate a helmet at 300.also i thought 855(at least the newer one) was different than 109 and fragmented more reliably.which i guess still isn't so great.

woclimit2008
05-08-2011, 16:43
hey blkrifle forum.first post over here for me i think.

from what i've read the 193 penetrates steel as well as 855 under 100 yards.the 855 was made to penetrate a helmet at 300.also i thought 855(at least the newer one) was different than 109 and fragmented more reliably.which i guess still isn't so great.

Huh??????

locosteelersfan
05-08-2011, 17:38
I"m sure someone can link it, but there is a list of approved SD loads by a well respected expert. The Ranger M855 was on the list while noted that 855 isn't ideal for SD because it wouldn't yaw, the ranger did well enough to make the list.

I picked up a bunch for SG when it was available. I alternate rounds in my mags with the Ranger soft point.

beatcop
05-08-2011, 19:50
Check out http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=185 and the links at the bottom of the page for reviews and groups.

MajorD
05-09-2011, 07:45
m855 was developed for better long range accuracy (which quite honestly it does not have) and better penetration of light armor (non trauma plate body armor helmets lightly armored vehicles) which is not a consideration in civilian use. I'd go with lead core ammo for defensive use

WoodenPlank
05-09-2011, 17:30
m855 was developed for better long range accuracy (which quite honestly it does not have) and better penetration of light armor (non trauma plate body armor helmets lightly armored vehicles) which is not a consideration in civilian use. I'd go with lead core ammo for defensive use

Bingo. The only reason I keep mags of green tip for SHTF use is for vehicles. Rip a few of them through an engine block, and you have decent odds of bringing that vehicle to a stop. Otherwise, I stick to 77, 75 and 55 grain OTM and ball.

AK_Stick
05-10-2011, 01:03
Bingo. The only reason I keep mags of green tip for SHTF use is for vehicles. Rip a few of them through an engine block, and you have decent odds of bringing that vehicle to a stop. Otherwise, I stick to 77, 75 and 55 grain OTM and ball.


yeah, that motor will stop, but not for quite a while. 5.56 is terrible for stopping a truck.

eracer
05-10-2011, 04:31
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zhix
05-10-2011, 06:43
FWIW, I just ordered a bunch of Federal American Eagle branded M855 Lake City brass from East Coast Gun Sales for what I believe to be a decent price; 50 boxes(1,000 rds) for under $382 shipped.
I bought some Winchester/Olin m855 a while back a gun show but when I opened them up they looked like they had looked old and dull and most of the brass had little dents in it, though they shot without any problems.

M&P15T
05-10-2011, 06:46
Bingo. The only reason I keep mags of green tip for SHTF use is for vehicles. Rip a few of them through an engine block, and you have decent odds of bringing that vehicle to a stop. Otherwise, I stick to 77, 75 and 55 grain OTM and ball.

:rofl::rofl:

WoodenPlank
05-10-2011, 11:40
yeah, that motor will stop, but not for quite a while. 5.56 is terrible for stopping a truck.

:rofl::rofl:

I wasn't referring to FMTVs or semis, more to the light-weight aluminum blocks used in average cars now. I know it isn't the best choice in the world, but it's gotta be an improvement over ball and OTM. I wish I could get my hands on some black tip, but I don't see that happening. Either way, it's better odds than 55 or 75 grain at actually getting deep enough to do some damage. :tongueout:

zibby43
05-10-2011, 14:29
Lake City XM855 Green Tip Penetrators are "on sale" at Cheaper Than Dirt for $11.19 (per 30 rounds, on stripper clips).

WoodenPlank
05-10-2011, 14:49
Lake City XM855 Green Tip Penetrators are "on sale" at Cheaper Than Dirt for $11.19 (per 30 rounds, on stripper clips).

I got the same email. Not a bad price, considering they're on stripper clips, but still not a GREAT price, either. Comes out to about $370 per 1,000.

zibby43
05-10-2011, 19:21
I got the same email. Not a bad price, considering they're on stripper clips, but still not a GREAT price, either. Comes out to about $370 per 1,000.

Nice. Yeah, my thoughts as well. I bit and grabbed a few boxes to restore what I went through at the range this past Friday.

AK_Stick
05-11-2011, 21:07
I wasn't referring to FMTVs or semis, more to the light-weight aluminum blocks used in average cars now. I know it isn't the best choice in the world, but it's gotta be an improvement over ball and OTM. I wish I could get my hands on some black tip, but I don't see that happening. Either way, it's better odds than 55 or 75 grain at actually getting deep enough to do some damage. :tongueout:

You do realize the most common engine 5.56 is used on, is a little 4 banger Toyota Hi-lux, or some variant of local 4 banger car and it routinely fails to stop that.

I wouldn't expect 5.56 to reliably stop an ATV engine quickly, it just doesn't pack enough ass to damage a motor baddly enough to lock it up. The only way its going to actually stop a motor is via overheating/seizing due to fluid/oil loss.


Now I'm not saying M855, is a bad round, but you're going to be dissapointed if you ever shoot it at a running car, unless you're shooting it out of a SAW.