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Phantom465
05-13-2011, 17:51
Just wondering how many people carry with a full magazine plus one in the chamber. With my G30, the slide is noticeably harder to pull back if it's resting on a full mag. I haven't tested this at the range yet, but I wonder if that extra tension might cause it to malfunction on the first shot.

dgg9
05-13-2011, 17:57
In 10+ years of GT, I've never heard anyone notice that happening. Back when I carried a 10 or 9 rd Glock (30, 26, 27), I always carried "+1."

Now that I carry 15 or 17 rd Glocks, I never carry +1. Instead of the phantom and probably imaginary "tension might make the first round FTE" problem, I'm worried about the phantom and probably imaginary "full mag might wear out the mag spring earlier than downloaded by 1" problem.

ArtificialGrape
05-13-2011, 18:06
Always +1

Patchman
05-13-2011, 18:12
Just wondering how many people carry with a full magazine plus one in the chamber. With my G30, the slide is noticeably harder to pull back if it's resting on a full mag. I haven't tested this at the range yet, but I wonder if that extra tension might cause it to malfunction on the first shot.

In this age of CADs and ISO production standards down to the nano-millimeters of tolerance, each gun still has it's own characteristics. So even if "every" poster here tells you it is not a problem, you absolutely need to 'proof' you gun for yourself.

Go to the range, top off your mags and shoot under the above condition.

Remember to 'proof' using your intended carry ammo. Why? Because if you 'proof' using brand X ammo (which may be underpowered or whatever), you may have failure issues. But had you 'proofed' with your intend carry ammo, which is (let's say) +P, there would be no failure issues.

My general rule of thumb is to fire at least 500 rounds through an intended carry gun. And of the 500, at least 200 of those rounds are my intended carry rounds.

Maikeli7
05-13-2011, 18:13
I carry a G30 SF in Condition 1, and I noticed the more-effort slide-rack. However, I have never had any malfunction with my G30.
I'd be interested in hearing others' opinions/experiences.

packinaglock
05-13-2011, 18:33
+1 here

jeffyjeff
05-13-2011, 18:46
glock 26(pg2733), 11+1

boomhower
05-13-2011, 18:50
+1 on everything.

Just1More
05-13-2011, 18:50
Of course.

glock75
05-13-2011, 19:03
+1 always

cowboy1964
05-13-2011, 19:11
Just curious but why cycle the slide on a full mag? Why not insert the mag on a locked back slide? Unless you're carrying chamber empty, but this thread was about +1.

cbus
05-13-2011, 19:20
I tend to download my mags by one. They seat easier with a round in the chamber. YMMV.

Boot Stomper
05-13-2011, 19:21
I always carry with a full mag and one in the chamber. Knock on wood, I never had a malfunction.

On a similar note.
I recently was issued by my P.D. a generation two G23. I noticed the slide was easier to pull back then my Generation 3 G22 and G27. I was thinking this was due to the age or use on the guide rod spring. Did they change the guide rod spring between generation 2 to 3? I suspect not? Anyone have input?

Thought about replacing the spring on the Gen 2 G23. What do GT think?

r3dot
05-13-2011, 19:45
G19 gen4 w/ 15 +1. 15 is more than sufficient, I'm sure, but who knows, that 16th one may save my life.

racer88
05-13-2011, 19:48
+1 here, too. Always.

Bruce M
05-13-2011, 19:50
Recoil springs are not that expensive. Here is a way to determine the health of the spring http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK-5Fw3yjcM

IndyGunFreak
05-13-2011, 21:28
You know, if you do a search, you'll come up with approximately 8 quadrillion threads on this subject. :)

Plus 1, always.

IGF

John Biltz
05-13-2011, 22:35
I've got about 500 rounds on my G30 and I'm working my way through testing 100 rounds through each new magazine. When I test the magazine I test for +1 cycling. The three I've tested so far all worked just fine.

gjk5
05-13-2011, 22:52
always on all pistols

Arc Angel
05-13-2011, 23:15
Just wondering how many people carry with a full magazine plus one in the chamber. With my G30, the slide is noticeably harder to pull back if it's resting on a full mag. I haven't tested this at the range yet, but I wonder if that extra tension might cause it to malfunction on the first shot.

The only 2 (maybe 3) times my Glock 21 ever FTF'd on me, I was +1 loaded; and it was the 2nd round up that choked. I never loaded +1 with any 1911 pattern I've ever used (5 of them over 30, some odd, years). My Marine Corps uncles frowned on +1 loading a 1911, and taught me to avoid it. (They were correct!) If you can't do it with 13 rounds then you ain't going to. ;)

fmfdocglock
05-14-2011, 08:25
My G30 can't take 10+1 rounds. The slide has problems cycling in that mode.

I carry it with one in the chamber and 9 in the mag to avoid the problem. It is pretty common with the G30.

BroknPrism
05-14-2011, 08:34
I'm nervous about overstuffing any gun. At $25 per, it's just as easy to carry +1 magazine. Or 2, for that matter.

Darkangel1846
05-14-2011, 09:14
I think its how you rack your slide...I don't use the thumb and forefinger, I use the whole hand grip....take a self defense course and they will teach you the correct way to rack your slide. I also carry with one in the chamber. If I pack a glock 26 in my bag I always use the one with the siderlock on the trigger(its a after market safty for glocks) so if some dope somehow get a hold of it and starts handling it they won't shoot themselves.

dgg9
05-14-2011, 09:36
I think its how you rack your slide...I don't use the thumb and forefinger, I use the whole hand grip....take a self defense course and they will teach you the correct way to rack your slide.

I don't think the OP is worrying about his ability to rack the slide on his unfired gun. I think the point is: if he feels more resistance when racking the first round than the second, then so does the gun, when cycling from its own recoil after firing...with a possibly higher risk of malfunction.

Deaf Smith
05-14-2011, 10:34
Spring faulure is more related to the spring being flexed back and forth (as in being loaded and unloaded) than compression over time.

I always keep my magzines fully loaded in my Glock 26 and 27 and never have I had any functional problems.

Deaf

vetmedglock30
05-14-2011, 10:47
g30, 10 +1. 11 rounds + 45 = :supergrin::supergrin::supergrin:

IndyGunFreak
05-14-2011, 11:13
g30, 10 +1. 11 rounds + 45 = :supergrin::supergrin:

I think the actual equation you're looking for is...

10+1=11 *.45= :supergrin::supergrin::supergrin:

:)

Just1More
05-14-2011, 11:21
If you ever shoot somebody, the media won't be able to say you had a "Fully Loaded Semi-Automatic Pistol" unless you load +1. Just saying...

David Armstrong
05-14-2011, 12:23
The general rule I was taught was that as long as you have about 1/4" of free movement in the top round you are OK. FWIW I rarely see any need for a +1 carry, but to each their own.

HarleyGuy
05-14-2011, 13:33
I've always went "+1" but rationally there;s not really a need to.

I normally carry a G27 but here lately I've just been carrying a Kel-Tec .32 also "+1" in a pocket holeter.

I'm seriously thinking of changing over to a Galco IWB and start carrying either my S/W 642, or the S/W (?) .357 w/3" barrel.

How many times has a civilian actually needed more than 5 or 6 rounds?

mrsurfboard
05-14-2011, 14:37
I carry the 6 round G36, so yeah, +1 always.

Arc Angel
05-14-2011, 16:19
The general rule I was taught was that as long as you have about 1/4" of free movement in the top round you are OK.

FWIW I rarely see any need for a +1 carry, but to each their own.

I just hate the way you always seem to come up with the right answer. :cool:

denn1911
05-14-2011, 16:58
Always +1. I've never had any problems with this.

G30 Sidearm
05-14-2011, 17:04
I always carry my G30 +1. I also practice at the range with +1. I have never had any problems. I also carry my G19 +1. No problems out of it.

Fastbear
05-14-2011, 17:25
+1 makes for a thoughtful answer. Carried a 1911 for 35 years +1 and of course the gun had a thumb safety. Moved into Glock world 4 years ago and no more thumb safety. Took serious but easy thinking to pull the gun and keep the trigger finger out of the area. for firing. Now when I practice with an M&P which has a thumb safety I frequently have to rethink about why the gun didn't fire on the first shot. Love the gun but it cannot be carried for my duty weapon as its not a subconscious action to fire the gun as the safety will still be locked so back to the Glock for service work. It is simply a matter of being comfortable with what you practice with. For me to interchange the thumb lock or use the Glock lock isn't practical. So I shoot other guns besides the Glocks for some practice but the Glock has to be my subconscious work gun. Use what you are comfortable with if +1 works-fine if it bothers you to have a chambered round then use what you have carried and practiced with.

David Armstrong
05-14-2011, 17:58
I just hate the way you always seem to come up with the right answer. :cool:

In a lifetime of rather misspent time one occassionally picks up some items of both common sense and good sense!:supergrin:

Warp
05-14-2011, 21:58
Just wondering how many people carry with a full magazine plus one in the chamber.

Yes .

dgg9
05-15-2011, 17:43
The general rule I was taught was that as long as you have about 1/4" of free movement in the top round you are OK.

Once you mentioned that, I added a 15th round to my G19 mag as a test.

Once fully loaded, the top round has WAY less than a 1/4" of free movement. Less than an 1/8" in fact, I would say.

David Armstrong
05-16-2011, 12:29
Browning Hi-Powers were somewhat notorious. Supposed to hold 13 rounds in the mag, some would take as many as 15, some would only go to 12.

Mudshark100
05-16-2011, 16:22
Always +1. I've never had any problems with this.

Me to. Gen 3 G19.

tonyparson
05-16-2011, 16:34
If you ever shoot somebody, the media won't be able to say you had a "Fully Loaded Semi-Automatic Pistol" unless you load +1. Just saying...

If I'm in a shooting that I had to be in to save my life or one of my love ones life I really wouldn't care what the media would have to say about it afterwards..

FWIW I rarely see any need for someone not to carry +1, but to each their own.

chivvalry
05-16-2011, 16:39
Kahr PM9 full mag +1 or G19 full mag +1... why wouldnt I?

kenpoprofessor
05-16-2011, 16:41
G30 always +1 no problems

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde