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RYT 2BER
05-14-2011, 12:22
For some reason I have gotten it in my head that I want to own a PCC....

I'm leaning towards the cx4 storm "although" the cost is horrifying ...

My question though... which caliber would better take advantage of the barrel length? 9mm or. 40?? (Not interested in .45 caliber in a pcc)

I stock both and I understand 9mm is cheaper to use but I want to get the most out of it...

Thoughts? (For the record I have rifles and this isn't in lieu of a rifle caliber for me )

failsafe
05-14-2011, 14:20
Well, I have a Uzi 9mm IMI Carbine and a KelTec sub 2k ,40 cal, glock mag compatible..
Couldn't break the "cherry" on the Uzi, it's a safe queen....I own 3 Glocks that the 40 cal mag's would work in as well as the 2k...No brainer for me..
Ballistic's to compare? The 40 cal sub 2k, seems to do everything for me out to 100 yards or so...

DEADEYEGUY
05-14-2011, 14:25
I have a Kel Tec Sub2k also. The loads pick up about 150f.p.s.-200f.p.s. out of the longer barrel. Mine uses the G17 mags and I am very happy with it's accuracy and reliability. Don't really know what kind of a boost it would give the .40.

D3S3RT_P3NGU1N
05-14-2011, 14:49
The KelTec sub2k is a great little gun, small, lightweight and it just runs and runs. Get one that uses glock mags

AngryPanda
05-14-2011, 14:58
Another vote for the Kel-tec Sub 2K. Awesome gun for a great price, you won't be dissapointed.

RYT 2BER
05-14-2011, 15:28
Hmmm alot of KT sub love here... I have a pf9 and a plr16 so I'm not adverse to KT products at all... not sure that i love the looks of the sub but maybe for a few hundred dollars and that it uses the same block mags may be a bonus?

mdfd
05-14-2011, 15:29
I guess the OP is asking which caliber 9mm or 40cal for his PCC....I have an S2k in 9mm but only b/c I wanted to share mags w/ my G26 as a system as I do not own 40cal.
If I owned a 40cal that can share mages with the PCC, I'd have no hesitation doing so as the carbine would handle the 40cal even better....
Since I've been considering a carbine to compliment my 45cal pistols, I'm kinda curious why you would avoid a carbine in 45cal?

Here's only a few of the things you can do to an S2k:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5253/5503532168_46a94672d4_z.jpg

ddbtoth
05-14-2011, 15:30
I've been really please with my MSAR MCS 9mm--shoots well, great balance,and just gobbles up the rounds out of those 33 round Glock mags. With the Aimpoint on it, dead nuts accurate out to 75 yards. Best 800 dollars I ever spent.

FreakyBig
05-14-2011, 15:33
I'd suggest an AR build in 9mm, but if $650 for a CX4 is "horrifying", then nevermind....

Jack Black
05-14-2011, 15:51
You might want to wait.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1342655

Personally I think the rumors are true this time.

RYT 2BER
05-14-2011, 16:11
I guess the OP is asking which caliber 9mm or 40cal for his PCC....I have an S2k in 9mm but only b/c I wanted to share mags w/ my G26 as a system as I do not own 40cal.
If I owned a 40cal that can share mages with the PCC, I'd have no hesitation doing so as the carbine would handle the 40cal even better....
Since I've been considering a carbine to compliment my 45cal pistols, I'm kinda curious why you would avoid a carbine in 45cal?

Here's only a few of the things you can do to an S2k:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5253/5503532168_46a94672d4_z.jpg

Reasonable question..

Really 2 reasons... first off, I can dump alot of ammo in a carbine really quickly, and the cost of .45 is just unappealing to me in a firearm like this..

Secondly, it is my belief (again just my belief) that big, heavy and slow, like a .45 is just counterproductive in a long barrel gun (long vs a handgun) .. I believe speed is valuable in long distance accuracy... 9mm and 40 are both high pressure hi velocity rounds hence I'm stuck choosing between the two..

I'm leaning towards the 9mm due to cost but since 40 and 9 are similar in cost I'd rather make the best overall choice...

John Biltz
05-14-2011, 18:18
Out of a Sub 2000 you are pretty much going to get a boost of 200 fps with a longer barrel with .40 or 9mm. That boosts them to .357 Sig and 10mm velocity. There is evidence to suggest the .40 bullet will be better because 9mm bullets tend to come apart at that speed when it hits something, even bonded bullets. On the other hand those 33 round 9mm magazines and a Sub 2000 do seem to go together like peanut butter and chocolate.

cowboy1964
05-14-2011, 18:34
You might want to wait.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1342655

Personally I think the rumors are true this time.

You know what P.T. Barnum (allegedly) said....

Jack Black
05-14-2011, 19:04
You know what P.T. Barnum (allegedly) said....

To my knowledge, in the past Glock reps have not confirmed on video that it exists.

RYT 2BER
05-14-2011, 19:24
I'm even thinking of selling my plr16 to fund it?

I never shoot it and its my only gun in223 so I figure maybe I should dump the caliber?

Although im getting off topic.... only one post about the caliber really and it sound like 40 may be the winner?

RYT 2BER
05-14-2011, 19:27
I'd suggest an AR build in 9mm, but if $650 for a CX4 is "horrifying", then nevermind....

The horryfying part is because it's pcc... if I'm buying an AR I'm getting it in a rifle caliber and that justifies the extra cost.

No PC AR's for me

RMTactical
05-14-2011, 19:32
I would go with a KT Sub 2000 in 9mm and plenty of Glock 18 mags.

chris in va
05-14-2011, 23:02
I had a HiPoint for years. Ergos were ok, but quality of materials was dismal and the 10rd mags just took the fun out of it.

Get the KelTec as suggested, in 9mm.

Fox
05-15-2011, 07:17
I bought an 1873 Winchester carbine in .44-40 from Cimmaron Firearms. My next firearms purchase will be a Colt Frontier Six Shooter in the same chambering.

RWBlue
05-15-2011, 13:40
For some reason I have gotten it in my head that I want to own a PCC....

I'm leaning towards the cx4 storm "although" the cost is horrifying ...

My question though... which caliber would better take advantage of the barrel length? 9mm or. 40?? (Not interested in .45 caliber in a pcc)

I stock both and I understand 9mm is cheaper to use but I want to get the most out of it...

Thoughts? (For the record I have rifles and this isn't in lieu of a rifle caliber for me )

First, why do you want it?

I have a SBR in pistol caliber. It is great because it is light and short. Some non-SBR PCC fall into the short and light category, others don't.

If you are some place that the range requires pistol cartridges, that is one thing.

If you are looking for cheaper practice, that is another.

RWBlue
05-15-2011, 13:42
I bought an 1873 Winchester carbine in .44-40 from Cimmaron Firearms. My next firearms purchase will be a Colt Frontier Six Shooter in the same chambering.

I wish I had the money to buy that setup and feed it.

RYT 2BER
05-15-2011, 13:59
First, why do you want it?

I have a SBR in pistol caliber. It is great because it is light and short. Some non-SBR PCC fall into the short and light category, others don't.

If you are some place that the range requires pistol cartridges, that is one thing.

If you are looking for cheaper practice, that is another.

I could name a bunch of "potential " reasons but more than anything, range fun... I'm looking to sell my plr16 in order to drop the caliber (223) so I wanted to pick up another carbine.. I have ak's but I'd like something else. I don't want 22lr stuff and i stock lots of 9mm and 40.

4 glocks
05-15-2011, 14:36
Out of a Sub 2000 you are pretty much going to get a boost of 200 fps with a longer barrel with .40 or 9mm. That boosts them to .357 Sig and 10mm velocity. There is evidence to suggest the .40 bullet will be better because 9mm bullets tend to come apart at that speed when it hits something, even bonded bullets. On the other hand those 33 round 9mm magazines and a Sub 2000 do seem to go together like peanut butter and chocolate.

Why would adding 200 fps cause 9 mm to "come apart". Are .357 and 10 mm bullet made different than a 9mm. The Sub 2000 9 mm 16" Barrel has .357 mag. speed out to 100 yards. After 75-100 yards it traveling at 9 mm speed.
I would get a 9mm I do not see a .40 having much of a advantage.

SeeJohnLikeSig&Glock
05-15-2011, 14:54
I say storm.

The keltec is fine, but of the 2, I would choose the storm even though it is 2x the price. Over the life of the weapons, the price difference of about 300 will be inconsequential if you shoot it a decent amount.

RYT 2BER
05-15-2011, 15:09
I say storm.

The keltec is fine, but of the 2, I would choose the storm even though it is 2x the price. Over the life of the weapons, the price difference of about 300 will be inconsequential if you shoot it a decent amount.

Good post.. this is why I am leaning towards the storm... I think after some time goes by I'll forget he extra money but I'll like the storms quality more...

Would love some more opinions on the caliber question... lots of posts about what carbine by my op was really about, which caliber between 9mm and 40 would get the most out of the carbine length barrel:dunno:

RWBlue
05-15-2011, 15:14
Why would adding 200 fps cause 9 mm to "come apart". Are .357 and 10 mm bullet made different than a 9mm. The Sub 2000 9 mm 16" Barrel has .357 mag. speed out to 100 yards. After 75-100 yards it traveling at 9 mm speed.
I would get a 9mm I do not see a .40 having much of a advantage.

Bullets are designed to function inside a specific window of velocity. Outside that window funny things happen.

The 9mm shouldn't fall apart in mid air, but what will it do when it hits an animal or person....?

RWBlue
05-15-2011, 15:35
I could name a bunch of "potential " reasons but more than anything, range fun... I'm looking to sell my plr16 in order to drop the caliber (223) so I wanted to pick up another carbine.. I have ak's but I'd like something else. I don't want 22lr stuff and i stock lots of 9mm and 40.

OK, I see, you are trying to drop cartridges to help in stocking.

The direction you are heading is not the direction I would go.

I don't know how to advise you.
As boring as it sounds, moving to two sidearms in the same cartridge and two rifle/carbines in the same cartridge (and then something isn 22LR) is best from a logistical prospective.

If you are in a location where it is legal and you can SBR your glock.

You could have an AR with multiple uppers, 9, 40, 223, 7.62.

John Biltz
05-15-2011, 15:43
I think this link was posted to Glock Talk before but maybe not
http://www.shootingillustrated.com/6626/pistol-caliber-carbines/
He tests several bullets in .40 and 9mm out of a carbine.

I'm adding take a good look at the recovered weight of the bullets from the carbines.

Good post.. this is why I am leaning towards the storm... I think after some time goes by I'll forget he extra money but I'll like the storms quality more...

Would love some more opinions on the caliber question... lots of posts about what carbine by my op was really about, which caliber between 9mm and 40 would get the most out of the carbine length barrel:dunno:

stumpjumper
05-15-2011, 16:10
I tried the Sub 2000 in 9mm and it did ok with regular mags , but I had issues with the 33 rd ones. I just got a Hi Point 4595 to try out- not much money, can shoot my reloads and can put a red dot or scope on it for my less than stellar eyesight.

RYT 2BER
05-15-2011, 16:32
I think this link was posted to Glock Talk before but maybe not
http://www.shootingillustrated.com/6626/pistol-caliber-carbines/
He tests several bullets in .40 and 9mm out of a carbine.

I'm adding take a good look at the recovered weight of the bullets from the carbines.

Thanks for the link... interesting

Cmacc
05-15-2011, 16:54
"Get the KelTec as suggested, in 9mm."



^^^^^^This.

Plus it folds in half and you can carry it in a book bag or briefcase. How cool is that?

Cambo
05-15-2011, 17:39
I vote for the Storm. I have never seen or heard of one jamming(including mine), they are incredibly easy to field strip and clean, take cheap Beretta 92 mags, are lightweight, accurate, easy to accessorize and have a submachine gun feel. Worth every penny.

RYT 2BER
05-15-2011, 17:59
Hard to get a good answer on this one:embarassed:

I'm pretty sure my issue is I'm stuck between the 9 and the 40....

Anybody have any thoughts as to which round will take advantage of the barrel and have an overall flatter trajectory out to roughly 100 yds?

RWBlue
05-15-2011, 18:03
Hard to get a good answer on this one:embarassed:

I'm pretty sure my issue is I'm stuck between the 9 and the 40....

Anybody have any thoughts as to which round will take advantage of the barrel and have an overall flatter trajectory out to roughly 100 yds?

Which caliber do you prefer in a handgun?

Do you hand reload?

RYT 2BER
05-15-2011, 18:12
Which caliber do you prefer in a handgun?

Do you hand reload?

Overall I would say I "prefer" 40 but that's a bit of a misnomer.. I carry 40 predominantly because I can shoot it well and I think it is powerful ...

In the case of this gun, I think I'd prefer 9mm because of ammo cost and capacity, however I don't want to short change myself...

I guess the most accurate question is:

"Will 9mm have enough ooomf in this gun to stay reasonably flat and powerful out to the "upper end of its effective range"??

smokin762
05-15-2011, 18:16
I bought a Berretta CX4 Storm when they first came out. I currently own a RRA AR15 in 9mm.

I thought the Berretta Carbine was a very nice handling firearm. It kept very tight groups and the factory sights were very easy to use. Berretta also offers some very functional accessories for the Storm Carbine. I installed an OEM rail on the top for optics and I also installed a OEM rail on the side for a light.

I bought four twenty round magazines for it and the cost did not break the bank.

After, I bought my Berretta Carbine, gun writer David Fortier wrote an article about this rifle. It was a very interesting read. If you can find it, read it.

The only reason I sold it was, I wanted to stay in the AR platform.

John Biltz
05-15-2011, 18:22
The trajectory is pretty much identical according to Kel-Tec. The way it is set up is you zero at 20 yards. At 50 yards the bullet will be 2 inches above point of aim and be back at zero at 100 yards. After that it dives, a lot, about 10 inches by 150 yards. But for 100 yards its surprisingly flat shooting.
Hard to get a good answer on this one:embarassed:

I'm pretty sure my issue is I'm stuck between the 9 and the 40....

Anybody have any thoughts as to which round will take advantage of the barrel and have an overall flatter trajectory out to roughly 100 yds?

greenman19
05-15-2011, 18:31
i have the storm in .40 and still can't say wheather it or the 9 would be better. for longer ranges and mag capacity go for the 9. if you think you may have to use it for self defense go .40.

4 glocks
05-15-2011, 18:39
E=John Biltz;17350222]I think this link was posted to Glock Talk before but maybe not
http://www.shootingillustrated.com/6626/pistol-caliber-carbines/
He tests several bullets in .40 and 9mm out of a carbine.

I'm adding take a good look at the recovered weight of the bullets from the carbines.[/QUOTE]

Good info and the .40 looks like it will not frag as much. He seems to be compareing 5.56 carb to pistol carb. No doubt the 5.56 will be more effective than .40 or 9mm and at much longer ranges. A pistol carb is a 100 yard gun I would compare to a shotgun. I would think a .40 or 9mm would do the job.

RWBlue
05-15-2011, 20:44
I don't think anyone here can tell you what you want to know. It is a toss up with factory ammo.

If you shoot longer ranges and get no expansion the 40 makes a bigger hole.

I think the 9mm can be handloaded to give a flatter trajectory (115gr loaded to ++P), but you are not going to be making head shots at 100 yards with either round. You could plug in the numbers for handgun rounds into a ballistic computer to validate my guess.

You like the 40 better as a handgun round. Having a handgun and rifle match would be a good thing.

I would say get the 40 and I am not a 40 shooter.

RYT 2BER
05-15-2011, 20:56
I don't think anyone here can tell you what you want to know. It is a toss up with factory ammo.

If you shoot longer ranges and get no expansion the 40 makes a bigger hole.

I think the 9mm can be handloaded to give a flatter trajectory (115gr loaded to ++P), but you are not going to be making head shots at 100 yards with either round. You could plug in the numbers for handgun rounds into a ballistic computer to validate my guess.

You like the 40 better as a handgun round. Having a handgun and rifle match would be a good thing.

I would say get the 40 and I am not a 40 shooter.

I understand what you're saying... I guess i just thought in the carbine length barrel there would be a clear cut winner... guess thats not the case:embarassed:

velodemon
05-15-2011, 21:42
I've been really please with my MSAR MCS 9mm--shoots well, great balance,and just gobbles up the rounds out of those 33 round Glock mags. With the Aimpoint on it, dead nuts accurate out to 75 yards. Best 800 dollars I ever spent.

I thought this was vaporware....where did you buy it?

firemedic1343
05-16-2011, 05:00
I'd only get a carbine if it was in 10mm. Otherwise, I'm gtg with rifles.

greenman19
05-16-2011, 07:08
but you are not going to be making head shots at 100 yards with either round.

i have to disagree on this point. with my beretta.40 and eotech i can shoot 10" steel plates consistantly at 100 yards.

Bullman
05-16-2011, 12:44
What I really want is a Mech Tech CCU in 10mm that will work of the G20 frame, and then use it as a companion piece to a Glock 29. 10mm is a round that begs to get the help of a 16 inch barrel.

Bullman
05-16-2011, 12:46
Often overlooked is a lever gun or pump gun in a magnum caliber.

Akil8290
05-16-2011, 19:28
Kel-Tec 9mm.

motorcyclist
05-16-2011, 19:57
Go to ballistics by the inch and they will have fps for 9mm and 40s&w by barrel length. Had a Kel Tec sub 2000 in 40s&w. Reliable,accurate and expensive to feed. Bought a AK and the carbine thing kinda fizzled out for me.

RYT 2BER
05-20-2011, 12:34
For the record, I ended up buying the CX4 Storm in 9mm (Beretta 92 mag configuration).

Got some goodies for it also already (barrel shroud, bottom rail and side rail [already comes with the top])

Should be here on Tuesday!! :woohoo:

Thanks for all the help!!

ddbtoth
05-20-2011, 14:56
I thought this was vaporware....where did you buy it?

Martini post--just wishing.

CharlestonG26
05-20-2011, 15:10
You might want to wait.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1342655

Personally I think the rumors are true this time.

When I joked with the Glock rep at the recent NRA convention in Pittsburgh about a single stack 9mm and carbine...he said he couldn't talk about a product that hasn't been officially introducted...but was able to say that they are building a 100 yard range at the Smyrna facility.

Trigger Finger
05-20-2011, 15:12
Reasonable question..

Really 2 reasons... first off, I can dump alot of ammo in a carbine really quickly, and the cost of .45 is just unappealing to me in a firearm like this..

Secondly, it is my belief (again just my belief) that big, heavy and slow, like a .45 is just counterproductive in a long barrel gun (long vs a handgun) .. I believe speed is valuable in long distance accuracy... 9mm and 40 are both high pressure hi velocity rounds hence I'm stuck choosing between the two..

I'm leaning towards the 9mm due to cost but since 40 and 9 are similar in cost I'd rather make the best overall choice...


Your second reason is kind of true, though not completely, if you go 45 Super it is much better at high pressure and hi velocity. It is a great carbine round but more expensive then 45 ACP. but for life saving situations I will pay a little more.
Of the two choices you provided I think the 40 cal would be better.

firemedic1343
05-20-2011, 19:02
Your second reason is kind of true, though not completely, if you go 45 Super it is much better at high pressure and hi velocity. It is a great carbine round but more expensive then 45 ACP. but for life saving situations I will pay a little more.
Of the two choices you provided I think the 40 cal would be better.

45 Super would be 2nd on my list, a very close second to the 10mm. The main difference is capacity vs. size. I could go either way.

Blade37db
05-20-2011, 19:31
Is the Sub 2000 ok with +P ammo (9mm)?

RWBlue
05-20-2011, 20:57
I could go either way.

We always thought that, but it is good to hear you admit it.:rofl:


On a more serious note...
If you reload, the 45Super is the way to go. I have hotrodded the 45Super. The biggest issue is that no one makes 260gr bullets that are designed to expand at 1000FPS, no one makes a 230gr bullet that is designed to have controlled expansion at max velocity.
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/rwblue01/gunstuff/GlockSBR.jpg

If you don't, the 10mm is very impressive.

ddbtoth
05-20-2011, 21:18
We always thought that, but it is good to hear you admit it.:rofl:


On a more serious note...
If you reload, the 45Super is the way to go. I have hotrodded the 45Super. The biggest issue is that no one makes 260gr bullets that are designed to expand at 1000FPS, no one makes a 230gr bullet that is designed to have controlled expansion at max velocity.
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/rwblue01/gunstuff/GlockSBR.jpg

If you don't, the 10mm is very impressive.
How stable is that connection of the stock to the Glock--any wiggling or slop?

Nice set up by the way--that's a serious scope there!

RWBlue
05-20-2011, 21:24
How stable is that connection of the stock to the Glock--any wiggling or slop?

Nice set up by the way--that's a serious scope there!

The Impulse system must be hand fitted. So mine has no slop.
The other one is not as tight, but still very manageable.

AggiePhil
05-20-2011, 22:03
I've been really please with my MSAR MCS 9mm--shoots well, great balance,and just gobbles up the rounds out of those 33 round Glock mags. With the Aimpoint on it, dead nuts accurate out to 75 yards. Best 800 dollars I ever spent.

You must be smoking crack because that gun is not out yet. Was announced a year or two ago then dropped off the RADAR.

ronin.45
05-20-2011, 22:13
It was announced closer to 4 years ago and is not likely to ever see daylight.:crying:

Fox
05-21-2011, 07:54
Well I recently purchased the Lyman # 2660666 double cavity bullet mold and a # 649 top punch for casting and lubricating the .44-40 bullets. They are being shipped home from MidwayUSA, so I will be ready to cast and handload the cartridges when I get back from this deployment.

I have an Urberti clone of the Colt .45 Single Action Army revolver with 5.5" barrel. I will likely take that to a gunshow to trade for an Italian clone of the Frontier Six Shooter.

ddbtoth
05-21-2011, 08:23
You must be smoking crack because that gun is not out yet. Was announced a year or two ago then dropped off the RADAR.

:smoking:

bfg1971
05-21-2011, 18:31
What I really want is a Mech Tech CCU in 10mm that will work of the G20 frame, and then use it as a companion piece to a Glock 29. 10mm is a round that begs to get the help of a 16 inch barrel.

I've got that exact setup and it rocks. I wish I had a chronograph I'd like to see what my old DT ammo does with a 16 inch barrel. I think that the 135 gr might get close to 2000 fps.

Bullman
05-21-2011, 19:42
That would be cool.

2nd childhood
10-28-2011, 14:29
Have you seen this? www.mechtechsys.com
From the comments on their forum it looks good.

JFrame
01-02-2012, 20:45
I'm dredging up a bit of ancient history here...But I've had some hankerings for the CX4 Storm (9mm) lately...

Just hollering to the OP (or anyone else) if you'd care to share any practical experiences regarding this carbine...

Thanks! :)


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NeverMore1701
01-02-2012, 20:52
I'm dredging up a bit of ancient history here...But I've had some hankerings for the CX4 Storm (9mm) lately...

Just hollering to the OP (or anyone else) if you'd care to share any practical experiences regarding this carbine...

Thanks! :)


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I've had two. They're light, accurate, reliable, easy to accessorize, easy to shoot. The triggers on mine weren't great, but good enough. I loved everything about them except that they were chambered in a pistol cartridge. On the one hand, 9mm is much cheaper than 5.56, but at close to the same size, I'd rather have the rifle's power. They don't fill a need in my defense rotation, but they're amazingly fun little guns, and I'll get another when I have the extra cash.

NEOH212
01-02-2012, 20:55
Colt AR6450.

JFrame
01-02-2012, 21:04
I've had two. They're light, accurate, reliable, easy to accessorize, easy to shoot. The triggers on mine weren't great, but good enough. I loved everything about them except that they were chambered in a pistol cartridge. On the one hand, 9mm is much cheaper than 5.56, but at close to the same size, I'd rather have the rifle's power. They don't fill a need in my defense rotation, but they're amazingly fun little guns, and I'll get another when I have the extra cash.


Wow -- that was quick...Thanks! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good3.gif

To a large extent, I'm considering the "useability" factor...My nearest range is 10 minutes away, but it's handgun-calibers only.

Also, I have a PX4, so being able to share magazines will be nice.

And, as you note, the cheapness of 9mm ammo can't be beat -- you really have to get down to the rimfires to get better price to value.

I noodled over the CX4 maybe a year ago, and I seem to keep coming back to it...


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JFrame
01-02-2012, 21:06
Colt AR6450.


I take it the upper can be changed out for other AR calibers?


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ddbtoth
01-02-2012, 21:18
I take it the upper can be changed out for other AR calibers?


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No--mag well is for a stick 9mm mag, will not fit the 556 mag.

JFrame
01-02-2012, 21:22
No--mag well is for a stick 9mm mag, will not fit the 556 mag.


Oh -- okay, thanks for the info!


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RYT 2BER
01-02-2012, 21:24
Holy crap this is old... yes my cx4 storm in 9mm works great but for some reason whenever I go to the range it stays home......

Subsequently I purchased a kriss super v in 45 Cal, so between the two I'm pistol caliber carbined to completion..

svtpwnz
01-02-2012, 21:28
I went with the Colt 6450 9mm carbine and swapped out the upper with a RRA A4 upper. I added a Aimpoint micro T1 with LaRue 660 and I plan to SBR it with a 7" barrel with suppressor and a Spikes FF BAR. I really love this little carbine and it is a blast at the range not to mention it runs like a champ.

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr7/honkonthree/photobucket-3354-1325439206076.jpg

NeverMore1701
01-02-2012, 21:29
Wow -- that was quick...Thanks! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good3.gif

To a large extent, I'm considering the "useability" factor...My nearest range is 10 minutes away, but it's handgun-calibers only.

Also, I have a PX4, so being able to share magazines will be nice.

And, as you note, the cheapness of 9mm ammo can't be beat -- you really have to get down to the rimfires to get better price to value.

I noodled over the CX4 maybe a year ago, and I seem to keep coming back to it...


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Sounds like enough reasons to get one to me! They're fantastic when set up with a light and red dot, and the barrel shrouds just look too cool :thumbsup: Also no reason they wouldn't perform admirably for HD, 20 rounds of 124gr. +P Gold Dots is nothing to sneeze at!

Also saw someone put a flash hider on one, that was pretty cool too. They're great little guns, no question!

JFrame
01-02-2012, 21:31
Holy crap this is old... yes my cx4 storm in 9mm works great but for some reason whenever I go to the range it stays home......

Subsequently I purchased a kriss super v in 45 Cal, so between the two I'm pistol caliber carbined to completion..


Yeah...I guess I could have started a new thread, but this one was sittin' out there... :supergrin:

I noticed that you didn't post any follow-ups after getting the CX4 -- at least, on this thread -- so I thought I'd check in and see how it went. :cool:

Sounds like it works flawlessly for you, but I can't quite tell if I'm getting an "I'm happy with it" in your voice...



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NeverMore1701
01-02-2012, 21:31
I went with the Colt 6450 9mm carbine and swapped out the upper with a RRA A4 upper. I added a Aimpoint micro T1 with LaRue 660 and I plan to SBR it with a 7" barrel with suppressor and a Spikes FF BAR. I really love this little carbine and it is a blast at the range not to mention it runs like a champ.

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr7/honkonthree/photobucket-3354-1325439206076.jpg

I've never warmed up to pistol caliber ARs for some reason :dunno:

Nine Shooter
01-02-2012, 21:35
I've been really please with my MSAR MCS 9mm--shoots well, great balance,and just gobbles up the rounds out of those 33 round Glock mags. With the Aimpoint on it, dead nuts accurate out to 75 yards. Best 800 dollars I ever spent.

Where did you get an MCS? I put my name on the preorder list but then MSAR apparently went out of business?

JFrame
01-02-2012, 21:37
Sounds like enough reasons to get one to me! They're fantastic when set up with a light and red dot, and the barrel shrouds just look too cool :thumbsup: Also no reason they wouldn't perform admirably for HD, 20 rounds of 124gr. +P Gold Dots is nothing to sneeze at!

Also saw someone put a flash hider on one, that was pretty cool too. They're great little guns, no question!


I have to admit the barrel shrouds I've seen give the CX4 a whole new personality -- very aggressive-looking.

Heh -- I got an Eotech red dot sight for my birthday, and now I'm trying to find something to put under it...I guess that's a bit bass-ackwards... :supergrin:

I know 5.56 has it all over 9mm ballistically -- but the Uzi helped get the Israelis through some rough years against a host of people dead-set on exterminating them...So I'm not inclined to sneeze at the effectiveness of those pills coming out of a 16" barrel either!


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svtpwnz
01-02-2012, 21:38
I've never warmed up to pistol caliber ARs for some reason :dunno:

They grew on me especially after I saw the one that had the Double Diamond dedicated lower with Spikes upper suppressed SBR that someone built.

NeverMore1701
01-02-2012, 21:58
I have to admit the barrel shrouds I've seen give the CX4 a whole new personality -- very aggressive-looking.

Heh -- I got an Eotech red dot sight for my birthday, and now I'm trying to find something to put under it...I guess that's a bit bass-ackwards... :supergrin:

I know 5.56 has it all over 9mm ballistically -- but the Uzi helped get the Israelis through some rough years against a host of people dead-set on exterminating them...So I'm not inclined to sneeze at the effectiveness of those pills coming out of a 16" barrel either!


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No, they're no joke. I say go for it, they're great!

ddbtoth
01-02-2012, 22:00
Where did you get an MCS? I put my name on the preorder list but then MSAR apparently went out of business?

I was being a smart ass (a long time ago apparently), I put my name on the Ratworx MCS list a couple of years ago. Don't think it will happen-I doubt if MSAR will ever make guns again, but it was a hell of an idea at the time. There is a chance Ratworx may build them, but I doubt it.

RYT 2BER
01-02-2012, 23:09
Yeah...I guess I could have started a new thread, but this one was sittin' out there... :supergrin:

I noticed that you didn't post any follow-ups after getting the CX4 -- at least, on this thread -- so I thought I'd check in and see how it went. :cool:

Sounds like it works flawlessly for you, but I can't quite tell if I'm getting an "I'm happy with it" in your voice...



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Dont get me wrong.. it really is great and works very well.. I guess my point is when I go out to the range I always end up shooting hanguns from a practice perspective... maybe I should pull it out again... its also a very soft shooter and quite quiet IMO due to being a 9mm in a long barrel.. last time I had it to the range some people were commenting that it was so quiet and it must be a .22.... when they saw it was 9mm they couldn't believe it...

Oh for the record mine is the 92 mag version...cheap high cap mags from mec gar

Nine Shooter
01-02-2012, 23:13
I was being a smart ass (a long time ago apparently), I put my name on the Ratworx MCS list a couple of years ago. Don't think it will happen-I doubt if MSAR will ever make guns again, but it was a hell of an idea at the time. There is a chance Ratworx may build them, but I doubt it.

Aww... doh... I fell for it :) Man, you really got my hopes up for a second there. I'd still even like to buy an E4.

JFrame
01-03-2012, 06:28
Dont get me wrong.. it really is great and works very well.. I guess my point is when I go out to the range I always end up shooting hanguns from a practice perspective... maybe I should pull it out again... its also a very soft shooter and quite quiet IMO due to being a 9mm in a long barrel.. last time I had it to the range some people were commenting that it was so quiet and it must be a .22.... when they saw it was 9mm they couldn't believe it...

Oh for the record mine is the 92 mag version...cheap high cap mags from mec gar


Thanks for the additional input, RYT. The sound signature of the 9mm carbine is also an attractive characteristic. I really don't see myself fumbling in the dark for ear plugs or muffs if I'm ever called upon to deploy the carbine in the house.

I know what you mean about leaving long guns behind when heading to the range. Aside from just feeling the need for more handgun practice than long guns (they say the motor skills for using a handgun erode much more quickly than for carbine/rifle) -- it's just plain easier to tuck 2-3 handguns in a range bag, rather than slinging a carbine case over the shoulder...


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mac66
01-03-2012, 08:13
I now see that this an old thread so I will show you my PCCs

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/bad5.jpg

Mongosafari
02-12-2012, 16:59
A couple that I don't have pictures of right off are:
Marlin 44 Rem Mag lever gun
Browning B92 44 Rem Mag lever gun
H&R Handi-Rifle 357 Magnum

MechTech Glock Carbine 40 S&W
http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr219/MongoSafari/749c26f9.jpg
http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr219/MongoSafari/2b81cdc3.jpg
Vortex Strikefire red/green dot sight.
http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr219/MongoSafari/2d5758f4.jpg

Angel
02-12-2012, 19:21
MechTech Glock Carbine 40 S&W
http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr219/MongoSafari/749c26f9.jpg


where do the casings eject on the mechtech? I am left handed can I shoot it without being hit in the face with the brass?

Syclone538
02-12-2012, 23:59
Whats a good price for a new CX4? Or the new Taurus?

I've been half looking for a deal on a Ruger carbine, but haven't found one yet. I'm very reluctant to buy a used gun online.

Fox
02-13-2012, 01:29
Check the used gun market for a Marlin Camp 9 or Camp 45 carbine.

Mongosafari
02-13-2012, 14:17
MechTech Glock Carbine 40 S&W


where do the casings eject on the mechtech? I am left handed can I shoot it without being hit in the face with the brass?

Yes, a left handed shooter will be ok. The brass ejects forward and to the left. A leftie already shot mine and was pleased with the lack of hot brass down her shirt. I was denied permission to post her pictures with the carbine- and she is cute too.

svtpwnz
02-13-2012, 16:23
I'd suggest an AR build in 9mm, but if $650 for a CX4 is "horrifying", then nevermind....
+1 my thoughts exactly. I have and was going to recommend a Colt 6450. On that note, I would highly suggest 9mm for a carbine.

Mongosafari
02-14-2012, 08:43
Why a 9mm?

If I could design something from the ground up for a pistol caliber carbine it would resemble an AR in 44 Magnum Auto Mag.

Starline still makes 44AMP brass.

Syclone538
02-14-2012, 10:41
Why a 9mm?
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Because it's one of the cheapest rounds other then .22lr.

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If I could design something from the ground up for a pistol caliber carbine it would resemble an AR in 44 Magnum Auto Mag.

Starline still makes 44AMP brass.

Why an AR .44 instead of .450 bushmaster, .458 Socom, or .50 Beowulf?

svtpwnz
02-14-2012, 10:57
Because it's one of the cheapest rounds other then .22lr.



Why an AR .44 instead of .450 bushmaster, .458 Socom, or .50 Beowulf?

+1 to each his own but 44 IMHO would be senseless and not very cost effective.

Syclone538
02-14-2012, 11:34
Also, anyone that would want a 9mm carbine already shoots 9mm, you can buy it anywhere that sells ammo, and it's enough for self defense.


A thumper is just a very different style, and there is nothing wrong with that. It is not 9mm. I would guess any of them are expensive, almost nobody shoots them already, and I doubt I could find a box within 100 miles. But any of them would be better for self defense, or hunting.

There is a thread going on .450 Bushmaster right now.
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1401306

Boogiefan
02-14-2012, 11:52
Colt AR in 9mm.

svtpwnz
02-14-2012, 13:21
Colt AR in 9mm.
:agree:

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr7/honkonthree/photobucket-7708-1325880856947.jpg

AggiePhil
02-17-2012, 13:17
:agree:

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr7/honkonthree/photobucket-7708-1325880856947.jpg

Where'd you get the flattop 9mm upper??

CJStudent
02-17-2012, 13:59
I like the 9mm AR platform as well; we use the Colt SMGs at work. Very nice shooting guns, and if it's that quiet in a 10" bbl, I can only imagine it with a 16"!

svtpwnz
02-17-2012, 20:00
Where'd you get the flattop 9mm upper??
It is a RRA A4 Upper that I ordered from my LGS. The Colt Barrel bolted up perfectly and it fits perfect to the lower as well. :supergrin:

AggiePhil
02-17-2012, 20:33
The flattop Colt 6450s need to come out already.

svtpwnz
02-17-2012, 21:27
The flattop Colt 6450s need to come out already.
+1 on that! I just got sick of waiting and bought the Colt and added the flat top RRA upper myself. Now I just wish they would get their ass in gear and start sending out the new SP901's.

travis34769
02-25-2012, 14:26
Another vote for the Kel-tec Sub 2K. Awesome gun for a great price, you won't be dissapointed.

I have been looking for it for two months. Cant seem to get it. Its out of stock everywhere I go.

Mongosafari
02-26-2012, 11:14
http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr219/MongoSafari/92f7b98c.jpg
Mech Tech Glock 40 S&W shot standing and kneeling at 100, 75, 50 and 25 yards.
http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr219/MongoSafari/380a4070.jpg
Small 7x9 plate shot with HK P2000 40 S&W at 25 yards.

http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr219/MongoSafari/f16b780c.jpg
Arntzen short frame with local shop made plates.

Whichever pistol carbine you want to get is fine, they are fun to shoot.

amazingphotos
02-26-2012, 11:49
The reduction in sound volume from my 16" upper compared to my pistols in this caliber is HUGE! Of course, it is also much quieter than my only other AR-15 caliber, .50 Beowulf. I would like to add another upper in .45 GAP but it would not have the punch of the Beowulf nor the (relatively) flat trajectory of the 7.62X25mm.