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Captains1911
05-19-2011, 16:00
So I'm following a co-worker to a meeting today, driving separately, and all he told me was that we were going to meet with a client at "their office in Lorton." I just assumed it was the same office that I have visited a few times in the past, so no big deal. I have my G23 in my laptop bag on the passenger seat, I usually have it on my person, but not today because I was wearing different attire for the meeting. All of a sudden my co-worker turns into the entrance of a military base, turns out we are meeting at the client's job site trailer located on this base.

So now I'm extremely nervous, because I know the firearm is a no no. I was thinking of just turning around and making something up to tell my co-worker and boss, who was already at the site waiting for us. Then I thought that if I just get up there and they check my ID and let me pass without asking any questions, I should be fine, even though I know that would be taking a risk. So we get to the guard station, and the both of us get waved over to the side. A guard walks up and says "please turn off your engine and step out of the vehicle, you have been chosen for a random search." I realize immediately that I must announce the weapon, and say "sir, I am following the person in front of me to a meeting with a client, all he told me was that we were going to their office in Lorton, I had no clue that we were coming on base, I am a licensed concealed carry permit holder and I have a concealed firearm in my bag."

He looks at me kind of funny and says, "I didn't hear anything you just told me, when the gentlemen in front of you drives off, you are free to follow on through, have a nice day sir." I reply, "thank you sir, you have a wonderful day as well." He didn't even search my vehicle. They spent about 5 minutes searching my co-worker's.

I can't believe that he let me go thru, I thought at the very least he was going to make me leave, and then I would have had to explain to my gun hating libtard boss waiting for us that they wouldn't let me on for whatever reason.

The situation really could not have worked out any better for me. I'm just wondering that if somehow the gun was discovered on me on base after that point, what would have happened, considering that I announced it to security?

seanmac45
05-19-2011, 16:08
The truth helped you out in this instance.


As to discovery later on, you would have been on your own. He told you he was disavowing knowledge of the gun.

freedom790
05-19-2011, 16:16
If the concealed weapon was discovered later on while you were on base you would have been detained until civilian LE could arrive to escort you off base. From that point I don't know, I'm .mil LE so thats as far as I know.

edit to add: If the discovering patrol had the same attitude as the gate guard, he would simply escort you to the armory where you could turn in your firearm for temporary storage.

But letter of the law would require you to be escorted off base by civilian LE. The US code forbids us to take any further action than wait for civilian LE.

^^^ this is for an AFB anyway, others may vary.

HotRoderX
05-19-2011, 16:17
To me from a common since stand point if you where a threat to anyone you would not annouce you had a gun in the car. I think you being upfront and telling the truth was what got you thought no problem.

rhone89
05-19-2011, 16:20
To me from a common since stand point if you where a threat to anyone you would not annouce you had a gun in the car. I think you being upfront and telling the truth was what got you thought no problem.

^^^
This

You made it quite obvious you werent there to cause any trouble, and moreover, you showed respect toward the base and the soldier. I wouldnt be worried about someone who did that either.

Besides.... I think a military base full of gear and soldiers isnt too worried about a civvy with a peashooter

Dragoon44
05-19-2011, 16:26
You have learned a valuable lesson. ASK where you are going.

Sheepdog Scout
05-19-2011, 16:28
Ha. Interesting story. And I have nothing to add that others haven't already said.


Just curious. Was this Ft. Belvoir that you went into?

barstoolguru
05-19-2011, 16:29
quote: The situation really could not have worked out any better for me. I'm just wondering that if somehow the gun was discovered on me on base after that point, what would have happened, considering that I announced it to security?

that was cool but could you have dismantled it and put in the trunk to make it legal. sounds like he trusted you and your right to carry. it could have got ulgy

Captains1911
05-19-2011, 16:30
You have learned a valuable lesson. ASK where you are going.

I did ask, and he told me "their office in Lorton." I just assumed it was the same main office I had been to in the past, not a job site trailer on base. My mistake was trusting this idiot co-worker of mine.

Captains1911
05-19-2011, 16:31
Ha. Interesting story. And I have nothing to add that others haven't already said.


Just curious. Was this Ft. Belvoir that you went into?

I'd prefer not to say where it was.

snowcrash75
05-19-2011, 16:34
Not trying to instigate too hard, but how would your co worker know you were carrying?

Captains1911
05-19-2011, 16:37
Not trying to instigate too hard, but how would your co worker know you were carrying?

He doesn't know I carry. I'm just annoyed that he didn't do a better job of explaining to me where we were going.

SouthernBoyVA
05-19-2011, 16:43
In the spring of 2003, a few weeks before the Iraq war broke out, I entered the Quantico Marine base to go to a gun store in Q-Town (the town of Quantico). Since I had no DOD sticker on my vehicle I was directed to get out of my car while the guards inspected it.. underneath and trunk - visual cabin. A guard saw my Spyderco clip-on pocket knife and asked if I had any other weapons with me. I told him there was an AR-15 and a 9mm handgun in the trunk. I was directed to the front of the car while they checked my firearms (I can just imagine what the people in the car behind me must have been thinking; "Look George. The caught one.").

After they were satisfied all was Ok, I got back in my car to leave. I asked them if I still had my weapons to which the responded, "Yes". Interestingly, I had totally forgotten about the baby Ka-Bar knife in my passenger map pocket. Anyway, all was good.

snowcrash75
05-19-2011, 16:45
Ed zachary. If he didnt know you were carrying, he couldnt really know it wouldnt be ok to take you somewhere. Dont get me wrong, I agree that he has no reason to know. Im just saying he's kind of blameless.

oldsoldier
05-19-2011, 16:49
I would have pulled over once he let me through the gate and locked it in the trunk. You can bring guns onto Fort Leonard Wood, MO. All you have to do is make sure they are unloaded and in the trunk or in a locked container if the vehicle such as a pickup doesn't have a trunk. Might be the same for the post you entered. Lots of troops and the civilian workers here have CCW permits and go on and off post all the time with their guns.

Captains1911
05-19-2011, 16:57
I was unaware that disassembling and locking in the trunk would make it legal. Good to know for the future, thanks.

kensteele
05-19-2011, 17:01
I almost got caught up in the same situation where there is civilian access to a military post (cemetery) but it looks like you're going thru the gate but you are diverted. Quite scary. For me, I was the passenger and I had to pretty much speak up about my loaded weapon to the driver; not good. Lucky you were not in the same car with your co-worker.

MAGlock
05-19-2011, 17:21
I would have pulled over once he let me through the gate and locked it in the trunk. You can bring guns onto Fort Leonard Wood, MO. All you have to do is make sure they are unloaded and in the trunk or in a locked container if the vehicle such as a pickup doesn't have a trunk. Might be the same for the post you entered. Lots of troops and the civilian workers here have CCW permits and go on and off post all the time with their guns.

AFB - Don't try this as you will more than likely get locked up. At the gate, they will tell you to go home and return without the weapon.

oldsoldier
05-19-2011, 17:31
AFB - Don't try this as you will more than likely get locked up. At the gate, they will tell you to go home and return without the weapon.

I agree. The rules change from post to post. I don't know how the AF does things. For instance ANYONE military or civilian can use Range 6 on Fort Leonard Wood to shoot rifle and pistol. All it requires is a one time 10 minute safety class at range control prior to first use of the range. It's free of charge.

MAGlock
05-19-2011, 17:43
I agree with you. Even AFB to AFB it can be different. At the AFB where my son is SF, it would get you locked up if found while on base.

Daryl in Az
05-19-2011, 19:28
Back in the 80's, I hunted quite a bit on the "other" side of a military base. Of course, the easiest and most direct way to get to my hunting area was to cross the base.

I did it for years before I learned it was illegal. That was about the time Desert Storm started, and the gates were guarded by soldiers with M16's. It took at least an hour longer to go around, so I usually just hunted somewhere else.

We aren't perfect, but we live and learn, I reckon.

Daryl

NMG26
05-19-2011, 19:34
Wow.....

Thanks for sharing that.

Good read. Could happen to anyone.

Toorop
05-19-2011, 21:31
He doesn't know I carry. I'm just annoyed that he didn't do a better job of explaining to me where we were going.
Your coworker is not to blame. If it was unclear you should keep asking until you have an idea where you are going.

SheepleNoMore
05-19-2011, 21:53
I was unaware that disassembling and locking in the trunk would make it legal. Good to know for the future, thanks.

That is NOT applicable to all AFB. Each AFB has it's own rules. I think it is the Provost Marshall at each base that you can contact to find out the rules for that base. OP was lucky, pure and simple. I strongly recommend that no one be discovered on a Military installation with a weapon unless they have crossed the I's and dotted the Ts to find out if it is permitted and what the requirements are to be legal. On a Military installation you are subject to a vehicle and personal search at any time.

brausso
05-19-2011, 21:53
Your coworker is not to blame. If it was unclear you should keep asking until you have an idea where you are going.

That's a bunch of horse ****

Edmo01
05-20-2011, 00:29
^^^
...Besides.... I think a military base full of gear and soldiers isnt too worried about a civvy with a peashooter

Unfortunately, the nut job at Ft Hood back in 2009 proved that wrong. He killed 13 and wounded many more with a "peashooter" before they stopped him.

Edmo

Daryl in Az
05-20-2011, 07:00
Your coworker is not to blame. If it was unclear you should keep asking until you have an idea where you are going.

Not always possible. My brother and I have a construction business, and he acts like that much of the time. Won't tell anyone else where they're headed 'till they get there. Somehow, I think he gets a kick out of "knowing more" than someone else.

As strange as that sounds.

It ticks me off, mostly, and has led to more than a few confrontations between us. He did it 'till I started intentionally losing him in traffic; after that, he decided he'd better let me know where we were going.

Still does it to others.

Daryl

Mayhem like Me
05-20-2011, 10:02
That's a bunch of horse ****

yeah that damned personal responsibility and all....:upeyes:

ProactiveShooters
05-20-2011, 10:20
I've done a number of classes for various SEAL teams and different bases. My truck has our company info plastered all over and just screams "GUN".

I've never been searched or questioned....The gate guards just wave me on through.

B.Reid
05-20-2011, 10:32
I used to go to shooting matches on a Marine Corps Base.

FireForged
05-21-2011, 11:05
To me from a common since stand point if you where a threat to anyone you would not annouce you had a gun in the car. I think you being upfront and telling the truth was what got you thought no problem.

There are many elements to subterfuge and although our GT-Member was not a potiential attacker, this "protector" assigned to the gate failed in his duty.