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akapennypincher
05-20-2011, 08:54
Lets say the Obama Administration has had quit a few version of the story of Osama bin Laden's Death.

Do you personally believe what we are being told 110%.

About when Osama bin Laden was taken out?

That Osama bin Laden is really dead?

Just asking because I smell a DEAD FISH SMELL!

slick64
05-20-2011, 08:55
So you don't believe Al Queda's confirmation?

fnfalman
05-20-2011, 08:56
I think that Obama needs to show me a Death Certificate for OBL.

I'm a "Deather" now. SHOW ME THE CERTIFICATE!!!

Geko45
05-20-2011, 08:58
Jamladen...

coastal4974
05-20-2011, 09:00
Dead


http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq286/whylookhere/OBLfood.jpg

G36's Rule
05-20-2011, 09:04
Jamladen...

Awesomely winning!

INJoker
05-20-2011, 09:10
I don't believe it 100% because there are details of the operation that we will never (and should never) know.

His daughter claims the team spoke with him, questioned him, identified him, then executed him.

Having read a few books written by former Delta/DEVGRU guys, that doesn't really jive with what they are trained to do or with the personality attributes they look for when selecting them. They're not executioners. That said, I'm sure whoever planned the operation made it clear that bin Laden was not to leave the house alive - which is fine by me.

I'm not going to speculate anymore on something I really don't know much about - but I think if there were any glaring discrepancies, at least a few of them would have come to light by now.

9mmNJ
05-20-2011, 09:11
So you don't believe Al Queda's confirmation?

Whats to say he wasn't taken alive and is in secret custody somewhere? Any high ranking Al Qaeda member would still not be able to contact him, assume the story released is valid, and confirm death.

Personally I believe he is dead, but plenty of valid arguments can be made that its possible he's not.

IndianaMatt
05-20-2011, 09:15
Nope.:notlistening:

I need to see the death certificate. :miff:

Followed by his kindergarten school transcripts. :bringiton:


lols.

M2 Carbine
05-20-2011, 09:16
I believe virtually nothing that comes out of Washington and especially anything that comes out of obama's mouth.
Hell, they can't even get a single story together to tell the public.

I think Osama is dead but that's about all I believe.

Cruiser1
05-20-2011, 09:16
I could care less how the SOB was taken out. Now lets to the same to a few more of the scum. :violin:

NanH
05-20-2011, 09:19
Do you personally believe what we are being told 110%.

About when Osama bin Laden was taken out?

That Osama bin Laden is really dead?



No such thing as 110%. But yes.

Gregg702
05-20-2011, 09:25
If he were still alive, you would think he would release a new video, to make us look bad. I say that there is very little chance he is still drawing in breath.

slick64
05-20-2011, 09:25
Whats to say he wasn't taken alive and is in secret custody somewhere? Any high ranking Al Qaeda member would still not be able to contact him, assume the story released is valid, and confirm death.

Personally I believe he is dead, but plenty of valid arguments can be made that its possible he's not.

Because their biggest accomplishment since 9/11 was throwing in our face how he was still alive. I also wouldn't trust his daughter's version of things, since that naturally puts this whole thing in a bad light.

I don't have a problem believing that he was taken out during a firefight.

fnfalman
05-20-2011, 09:29
Because their biggest accomplishment since 9/11 was throwing in our face how he was still alive. I also wouldn't trust his daughter's version of things, since that naturally puts this whole thing in a bad light.

I don't have a problem believing that he was taken out during a firefight.

I don't have a problem with OBL gotten tortured then summarily executed either. Soldiers aren't cops and OBL ain't an American.

Booker
05-20-2011, 09:31
No, not without evidence.

Imagine being on a jury and the DA tells you that they have a video of the defendant committing a crime, but they won't show you the video. Just take their word for it and convict the scumbag! Would you?

Joshhtn
05-20-2011, 09:32
Dead= Yes.

In the bottom of the ocean= No.

slick64
05-20-2011, 09:34
I don't have a problem with OBL gotten tortured then summarily executed either. Soldiers aren't cops and OBL ain't an American.

I just doubt given their professionalism that would happen, and especially more so given the 40mins in and out for the mission. (If that's accurate).

They would have gotten out as quickly as possible once mission accomplished I would imagine.

gemeinschaft
05-20-2011, 09:43
So you don't believe Al Queda's confirmation?

I believe that AQ's confirmation stating that the United States killed OBL only goes to serve their purpose.

Giving credit to Obama's claim, makes OBL a martyr to Islam - this is what OBL wanted and actually completes his mission.

OBL has never been anything more than a pawn with money, he was not the leader of AQ and I don't believe that we killed him in an operation a couple of weeks ago.

It would have been in the best interest of our country to make OBL disappear like Jimmy Hoffa and no one ever know what ended up with him. This would leave his mission unfinished and not give AQ any more fuel for their Jihadist cause.

KSM was the architect of 9/11, OBL helped finance, but Zaymin Al-Zawahiri is the the real brain behind AQ and as far as I know, he is out there.

The Obama Administration did nothing to help this country by claiming to have killed OBL, other than to further their cause.

Read the Quoran, the Hadiths and the Suras; get a view from their eyes and you will see that this fits right into their strategy.

With every day that passes, I wonder what has happened to our great Nation. The people of the United States seem to be getting dumber and dumber.

And as far as SEAL Team 6 or any SpecOps unit for that matter, they would have preferred not to be front page news. There is a reason to remain a Quiet Professional.

It sure did take the spotlight off of Obama for a while and some people still believe what was reported, but don't believe everything you hear.

To add insult to injury, Obama spoke about observing Muslim customs when disposing of OBL's body...

I am not a citizen of the World as our President seems to think, I am an American. Until people come to that realization, we are doomed.

wjv
05-20-2011, 09:58
Don't care if he was shot, stabbed, thrown out of an helio, died from watching too much porn, or committed suicide. The dirt bag is DOA. . .

slick64
05-20-2011, 10:06
I believe that AQ's confirmation stating that the United States killed OBL only goes to serve their purpose.

Giving credit to Obama's claim, makes OBL a martyr to Islam - this is what OBL wanted and actually completes his mission.

He had many chances to become a martyr though.

fnfalman
05-20-2011, 10:07
I just doubt given their professionalism that would happen, and especially more so given the 40mins in and out for the mission. (If that's accurate).

They would have gotten out as quickly as possible once mission accomplished I would imagine.

Granted that I'm not a trained commando, but I'm willing to bet I'd have taken an additional minute to pull out some fingernails or toenails.

4 glocks
05-20-2011, 10:20
I saw him at McDonalds buying a McRib maybe that was Elvis.

Rabbi
05-20-2011, 10:28
I dont believe we know all the details and I accept that some of what we do know may be false. However I am pretty sure he was killed, in a raid, in a general way they say it happens.

It passes all the tests. Large numbers of people, on BOTH sides and anyone who would know says it happened, Our military, their military, his family, his family that was THERE, his group... and the cost for lying about it would be very high.

The people who say "it didnt happen" (Tin foilers) are giving people on the fence of what the problem with tin foilers is, a textbook example of why it is flawed thinking. Here is a group of people, who have no connenction with the events at all, saying "I know something no one else knows...or agrees with..." (which is Tin Foiler MO)

highfructosecornsyrp
05-20-2011, 10:30
Giving credit to Obama's claim, makes OBL a martyr to Islam - this is what OBL wanted and actually completes his mission.

OBL has never been anything more than a pawn with money, he was not the leader of AQ and I don't believe that we killed him in an operation a couple of weeks ago.


So Osama is now a martyr and inspirational figure in the muslim world, but before that he was only a pawn. In your viewpoint, it seems like it would have been better to keep him alive, a pawn instead of an inspiration?

Seems ridiculous to me.

mixflip
05-20-2011, 10:31
I am not a tin hat kind of guy but is it really a stretch of the imagination that the CIA took him alive?

I wouldnt be surprised. In the intelligence world Bin Laden is a winning lottery ticket you just dont destroy. My experience is that when ever there is an avalanche of evidence thrown in your face in 24 hours mind you...often times its to distract you from the truth. I worked for the federal government for 6 years and currently work for state government...they just dont give out top secret info that fast. (24 hrs Bin Laden was already buried at sea? really - in 24hrs?????)

I am not saying everything we heard so far isnt true...I am just saying I wouldn't be shocked if in 70 years we find out it went down differently?

09crue
05-20-2011, 10:33
the quick burial at sea is what i find suspicious..he may infact be dead,but without proof their will always be some doubt?

rod727
05-20-2011, 10:35
Lets say the Obama Administration has had quit a few version of the story of Osama bin Laden's Death.

Do you personally believe what we are being told 110%. (NO)

About when Osama bin Laden was taken out? (YES) relevance?

That Osama bin Laden is really dead? (YES)

Just asking because I smell a DEAD FISH SMELL!


Whats your point?

Peter95
05-20-2011, 10:36
honestly..... No

Peter95
05-20-2011, 10:37
Our government probably gave up since it was getting too expensive....

gemeinschaft
05-20-2011, 10:50
So Osama is now a martyr and inspirational figure in the muslim world, but before that he was only a pawn. In your viewpoint, it seems like it would have been better to keep him alive, a pawn instead of an inspiration?

Seems ridiculous to me.

I think you misread what I was saying... I have never been against killing any member of AQ, matter of fact, I'll buy ammo.

I just don't think we need to confirm or deny someone's death or how they died in order to rob them of the title of dying as a martyr for Islam.

I'd be perfectly happy if they had shot him in the nutz, bathed him in pig fat and buried him with swine.

I think many people do not understand that giving someone a death as a martyr to their cause is actually giving the enemy his victory. People die, but Martyrs live forever in legend.

Discreetly disposing of garbage like OBL should be done in secret and No... No one has a need to know.

These oxygen thieves are responsible for the deaths of some of my closest brethren and I believe there is a special place in hell for them.

We need to take a closer look at our enemy and start robbing them of victories such as this one.

I personally believe that OBL has been dead for a while, but by claiming that we just killed him, it gave AQ an opportunity to claim OBL as a martyr. Why should we give them another victory? Just let him rot in hell in secrecy.

The other effect that I think you will see is that the majority of the American Public now believe with OBL out of the picture, the threat is over and we can all go home now. This can't be further form the truth.

JimBianchi
05-20-2011, 11:36
BHO was forced to kill him against his wishes and the wishes of the hard left that pulls his purse-stings.

If he had taken a pass or ordered his capture and had failed, word would have leaked and made him look weaker than he already is.

As it is, he took 18hrs to approve the mission, a call that was legally authorized 10 years ago by Bush 43.

And of course, his National Security Team won't shut the F up about the details, putting of people at risk all over the world.

He is an idiot surrounded by morons and supported by fools.

Obi Wan
05-20-2011, 12:50
Yes, I believe he's 'personna non grata'... :whistling:

akapennypincher
05-20-2011, 17:21
The people who say "it didnt happen" (Tin foilers) are giving people on the fence of what the problem with tin foilers is, a textbook example of why it is flawed thinking. Here is a group of people, who have no connenction with the events at all, saying "I know something no one else knows...or agrees with..." (which is Tin Foiler MO)

I am not a Tin Foiler, but IMHO the story from the White House seems to have changed several times. As my mother use to say it is easier to recall Truth, than remember what LIE you told what person.

Dalton Wayne
05-20-2011, 17:23
He's dead that's all that matters to me

volky
05-20-2011, 17:26
He fell outta da helo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfF1vkMQ0h0&feature=player_embedded

happy seal
05-20-2011, 17:42
I believe he is dead, Islamic groups would not confirm death if it wasn't true. I believe the US gov lied when they first reported a fire fight for whatever minutes ( 45)? I believe the Pak gov came in and scooped up the remainders. I believe the Pak gov knew he was there all along! I believe he was paying lobbyists and officials money to shut up!. I believe we did the right thing in the long run after the smoke cleared! JMO!:upeyes:

automatic slim
05-20-2011, 17:52
BHO was forced to kill him against his wishes and the wishes of the hard left that pulls his purse-stings.

If he had taken a pass or ordered his capture and had failed, word would have leaked and made him look weaker than he already is.

As it is, he took 18hrs to approve the mission, a call that was legally authorized 10 years ago by Bush 43.

And of course, his National Security Team won't shut the F up about the details, putting of people at risk all over the world.

He is an idiot surrounded by morons and supported by fools.

Agreed. Then Obama bathed in the glory.


Makes me sick.:steamed:

faawrenchbndr
05-20-2011, 17:52
I sure hope he's dead,.......I've thrown a pound of bacon in the ocean every week since his death.

bigj480
05-20-2011, 17:53
I believe it, but I'm not certain. Something happened, what and how I can not say. Is he dead? Probably. Did they bury him at see in a respectful manner to appease superstitious people? I really doubt it. I really don't care as long as he is gone. It does not change much in my eyes.

Highspeedlane
05-20-2011, 17:57
I was at the bar having an Osama (two shots and a splash of water) when I could have sworn I saw him coming in with Elvis. Yep, now that I think about it, it must have been him, 'cause I read it in the Enquirer...:whistling:

sc1911cwp
05-20-2011, 17:58
It doesn't really matter all that much. The end of the world is supposed to come tomorrow. So those saved will be in heaven, sinners wil get to meet and experiance the antichrist and OBL is with 21 virgins. Well he started out with 21:)

Philippe
05-20-2011, 18:00
Funny how everyone has dropped that topic like a hot rock in the last week or so. Its almost like it never really happened.......... or did it?

DWARREN123
05-20-2011, 19:12
How can you tell a politician or political appointee is lying?

Their lips are moving! :rofl:

TheJ
05-20-2011, 19:19
I dont believe we know all the details and I accept that some of what we do know may be false. However I am pretty sure he was killed, in a raid, in a general way they say it happens.

It passes all the tests. Large numbers of people, on BOTH sides and anyone who would know says it happened, Our military, their military, his family, his family that was THERE, his group... and the cost for lying about it would be very high.

The people who say "it didnt happen" (Tin foilers) are giving people on the fence of what the problem with tin foilers is, a textbook example of why it is flawed thinking. Here is a group of people, who have no connenction with the events at all, saying "I know something no one else knows...or agrees with..." (which is Tin Foiler MO)
This.

DRZ
05-20-2011, 19:24
Ditto.

DRZ
05-20-2011, 19:58
Ditto.

Zapfenstreich
05-20-2011, 20:03
He's dead, and no, there's zero possibility that we're getting the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Wait 50 years and read the book.

Until then, I think they should split up the reward money among the assault team and the helo crews. Just like the Royal Navy used to do with the prize money after they captured an enemy vessel.

Those guys deserve a nice reward. What was it, $25MM dead or alive? Double it.

Fixxer
05-21-2011, 05:01
There was a typo- what they meant to say was that upon claims of his death, we would be treated to 72 versions.

Bren
05-21-2011, 05:30
Lets say the Obama Administration has had quit a few version of the story of Osama bin Laden's Death.

Do you personally believe what we are being told 110%.

About when Osama bin Laden was taken out?

That Osama bin Laden is really dead?

Just asking because I smell a DEAD FISH SMELL!

Yet you can state no reason for your belief. Until you have evidence, that makes you no different than a tinfoil hat wearing UFO nut.

686Owner
05-21-2011, 06:03
I am not a tin hat kind of guy but is it really a stretch of the imagination that the CIA took him alive?



Yes, it is.

Peace Frog
05-21-2011, 07:40
I believe he's dead but for much longer than a few weeks.More like years.

Oh well...

akapennypincher
05-21-2011, 08:30
I think the PRESIDENT need to stick with A SINGLE STORY.

CBennett
05-21-2011, 08:32
Lets say the Obama Administration has had quit a few version of the story of Osama bin Laden's Death.

Do you personally believe what we are being told 110%.

About when Osama bin Laden was taken out?

That Osama bin Laden is really dead?

Just asking because I smell a DEAD FISH SMELL!

Of course, why would his group even agree...when all he or they would had to have done was march out another tape/video of him alive NOW you know the bad PR on THAT...well dead and sleeping with the fishes. im not a tin foil hatter sorry.

akapennypincher
05-21-2011, 15:09
The New Yorker has a STORY (http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2011/05/23/110523sh_shouts_kenney#ixzz1MwVeyFMZ) to READ!

MooseJaw
05-21-2011, 15:41
The "Obama is dead" story, coming on the heels of the "here's my Birth Certificate" story, followed by "we forgive Billions to Egypt" story and followed by the "why can't you Israeli's just get along" story..

What a Joke..

.45Super-Man
05-21-2011, 15:49
I dont believe any story told when the source has 0 credibility in the first place. Even if you were to "wipe the slate clean" for the US Gov't, this story alone has been full of contradictions and the only "evidence" was dumped 4 hours after the corpse hit the floor because "They wanted to give him a proper muslim funeral"??? This is brought to us by the same gov't that just got busted(again)by allowing the illegal flow of AK47's DIRECTLY to the mexican drug cartels! As the old saying goes "what we know only represents the tip of the iceberg". People tend to think one dimensionally and Bin laden was the face that us americans needed to represent "the badguy". Nevermind the fact that somehow he was being blamed for 9-11 ON 9-11! I'll never forget how his name was attached to that tragedy without an investigation or anything. But, us americans are content to pay our taxes, ask no questions and accept that warm, safe feeling that only "big brother" can offer(nevermind the fact that it took them 10 years to get this guy). One thing IS for certain, it's been well established that we're willing to trade off some of our freedoms for our own "safety". The gulf of Tonkin was a deliberate lie told by our gov't as a means to invade vietnam and thousands of american soldiers died because of it. War is the biggest business on the planet and without 9-11, there would have been a HUGE lack of public support for what they wanted to do. How many thousands died in Iraq because they had WMD's and how many died in Afghanistan when Bin laden wasnt even in the same country??!! All lies told for no other reason than to occupy and go to war. Our gov't is involved in a game that puts us all at risk and they were warned by the CIA prior to 9-11 about the risks of "blowback". What's odd is the extremely high % of people that are still willing to believe that we were attacked because these terrorists just suddenly "just suddenly like us" or "our way of life". We were attacked because we were playing "world police" and meddling in others affairs prior to 9-11.

vikingsoftpaw
05-22-2011, 12:32
What's not to believe?

04gtmustang
05-22-2011, 13:03
I believe virtually nothing that comes out of Washington and especially anything that comes out of obama's mouth.
Hell, they can't even get a single story together to tell the public.

I think Osama is dead but that's about all I believe.


yea thats the way i see it. he is probably dead probably a while ago but i dont necessarily believe it was from this operation

.45Super-Man
05-22-2011, 13:04
Again, consider the "source" of this entertaining story. They were recently busted AGAIN when an agent with enough guts to come forward, told us who's been insuring that the mexican cartels have enough AK47's.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntp4iv_s0dY&feature=related

smokeross
05-22-2011, 13:11
Dead= Yes.

In the bottom of the ocean= No.
My thoughts exactly. Sack of potatos into the ocean. Him into the freezer.

RichardB
05-23-2011, 10:05
Just because one doesn't like the messenger (POTUS) does not mean the message is false.

Obama took responsibility for the incident, even though he may have endangered his family far and above the normal hazards of partisan American politics.

Bin Laden is dead, next real issue please.

slowburninsteve
08-09-2011, 14:26
Osama Ben Laden has been hidden away because of all the nasty secrets he knows about the U.S. Not to worry though, he has company! Elvis, JFK, Hitler, and PeeWee Herman keep him from getting lonely!
Steve

Dalton Wayne
08-09-2011, 14:44
Pee Wee Herman is still alive :whistling: just saying

RustyShackelford
08-15-2011, 21:48
Osama Ben Laden has been hidden away because of all the nasty secrets he knows about the U.S. Not to worry though, he has company! Elvis, JFK, Hitler, and PeeWee Herman keep him from getting lonely!
Steve

Pee Wee Herman is still alive :whistling: just saying

So are the rest of them! lol

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USAFHG
01-02-2012, 21:22
That clown died of his illnesses a couple years ago. That whole Navy Seal story was made up to boost Obama's approval rating. That's why they claim they dumped his body at sea.

Mayhem like Me
01-05-2012, 20:07
That clown died of his illnesses a couple years ago. That whole Navy Seal story was made up to boost Obama's approval rating. That's why they claim they dumped his body at sea.

nope story went down pretty much as stated. DevGru found him and did the deed.

RichardB
01-06-2012, 06:21
That clown died of his illnesses a couple years ago. That whole Navy Seal story was made up to boost Obama's approval rating. That's why they claim they dumped his body at sea.

And the Pakastani government went along with the joke? :rofl:

I have for sale some ocean front property in Montana that a discriminating person like you could appreciate.