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Detectorist
05-27-2011, 06:02
I'm curious about the 3 Officers arrested from the Maricopa county Sheriff's office.

What's your opinion. Were they dirty before joining the Sheriff's office or did they decide to make some money after they joined with good intentions.....

My opinion is the one that is most scary. I think that they joined the Dept to help their fellow bad guys on the outside. I'm guessing the LEO organizations will be more careful now on who they hire?

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/05/25/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-3-employees-arrested-drugs-human-trafficking/

Patchman
05-27-2011, 06:18
Unfortunately, this is not new. Does it really matter if they came on with bad intentions or turned bad after getting in? The timing is almost besides the point.

"They" are not just the drug cartels. They are Militia, gangs of all stripes, radicals.

Let's take it another step. They're co-workers. They know where you live, who's your spouse, who's your children. You don't think they won't give or sell that information to their people when they want to go active?

Wherever you're at, Charlie's probably already inside the wire.

Have a nice day. :)

Napalm561
05-27-2011, 06:23
It certainly appears that your opinion just might be correct. I believe I've come to the same conclusion after reading the article. (most of it anyway)

Rohniss
05-27-2011, 06:55
I agree with Patch...

Charlie is here, now.

It will only get worse with an increasingly politically motivated hiring process...

Dragoon44
05-27-2011, 07:42
I think the two women were plants and the guy was just a sucker.

Look at the pics of the women, check out their eyes, hard core and defiant. While the guy looks like, "damn I screwed up".

Unistat
05-27-2011, 09:26
There are without a doubt people sent to the Border Patrol Academy that are plants. It's something the USBP looks for specifically. If it's the case with them, then I have no doubt that the cartels also try to plant people in the local LE agencies.

Hack
05-27-2011, 10:14
There are without a doubt people sent to the Border Patrol Academy that are plants. It's something the USBP looks for specifically. If it's the case with them, then I have no doubt that the cartels also try to plant people in the local LE agencies.

That is unfortunately true, with even our agency. It does happen.

razdog76
05-27-2011, 10:34
I hope they receive the harshest sentence.

Detectorist
05-27-2011, 13:04
I understand they have been infiltrating the military for a while.

With the billions the drug cartels make, it's probably easy to recruit a few moles. Scary stuff.

Straight Pipe
05-27-2011, 19:17
Anything I can't stand more is a crooked cop.

(don't tell GNG, though. it's our little secret.)

Angry Fist
05-27-2011, 19:28
How do these POS's get bail?

Rohniss
05-27-2011, 19:40
How do these POS's get bail?

You know, thats a **** good question.

Ain't nothing I hate more than a traitor.

Angry Fist
05-27-2011, 19:53
You know, thats a **** good question.

Ain't nothing I hate more than a traitor.
Too bad Treason and Sedition don't apply.

blueiron
05-27-2011, 19:53
Let's take it another step. They're co-workers. They know where you live, who's your spouse, who's your children. You don't think they won't give or sell that information to their people when they want to go active?

Wherever you're at, Charlie's probably already inside the wire.

Have a nice day. :)

Our police backgrounds don't really address the likely-hood of criminal infiltrators or spies. With the push to given citizenship to as many people who land here, its only going to get worse in handing first generation citizens credentials and a firearm. Until counter-intelligence is taken seriously by police administrators, agencies are going to be years behind the curve.

Hell, we had a lieutenant who was a complete dumb ___ and took a confidential employee information manual home. He left it in his old POS ghetto-fabulous ride and when the car got stolen, so did it. It contained every employees name, DOB, SSN, home address, phone numbers, next of kin and spouse/child/family information.

After much kvetching, the agency paid for six months of credit monitoring for each employee and gave the lieutenant a bad boy letter. About 20 employees got hosed for ID theft. The manual was found months later in a search warrant in another city.

It's bad enough to worry about turncoats, but we have to worry about pinheaded Poindexters, as well.

Detectorist
05-27-2011, 21:10
How do these POS's get bail?

I bet they end up skipping. To Mexico.

MeefZah
05-27-2011, 21:28
Wow, first I'd heard of that. Crazy.

Hope they get the max, and then some.

blueiron
05-27-2011, 22:19
Wow, first I'd heard of that. Crazy.

Hope they get the max, and then some.

www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/.../20110525mcsoarrests0525.html

www.azcentral.com/.../20110515maricopa-sheriff-finances-taxpayer-impact.html

www.azcentral.com/.../20110505arpaio-hendershott-anti-corruption-unit.html

www.azcentral.com/video/953976271001



The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office is an absolute mess now. Arpaio is under Federal investigation and he is taking the Sgt. Schultz defense - all while his staffers are saying that they have been warning him for years., his number two and three were fired for unethical actions and corruption, the subjects of his corruption investigations are suing him for tens of millions of dollars, overspending of $99,000,000, failing to investigate crimes in a contracted city, and now this.

It isn't a fun time to a 78 year old to be looking at a long stint in a Federal Prison, as one of Hack's clientele.

TBO
05-27-2011, 22:24
How do these POS's get bail?
http://cdn.blogs.sheknows.com/realitytvmagazine.sheknows.com/2010/10/dog-the-bounty-hunter-duane-chapman-wants-to-talk-to-randy-and-evi-quaid.jpg

Angry Fist
05-27-2011, 22:31
http://cdn.blogs.sheknows.com/realitytvmagazine.sheknows.com/2010/10/dog-the-bounty-hunter-duane-chapman-wants-to-talk-to-randy-and-evi-quaid.jpg
Open Carry pevents dogs.... :supergrin:

OldCurlyWolf
05-27-2011, 22:48
I think the two women were plants and the guy was just a sucker.

Look at the pics of the women, check out their eyes, hard core and defiant. While the guy looks like, "damn I screwed up".

Where did you find the pictures of the deputies? I did not see any on the link to the news story.

blueiron
05-27-2011, 23:26
Where did you find the pictures of the deputies? I did not see any on the link to the news story.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2011/05/25/20110525mcsoarrests0525.html

Patchman
05-28-2011, 05:46
Our police backgrounds don't really address the likely-hood of criminal infiltrators or spies. With the push to given citizenship to as many people who land here, its only going to get worse in handing first generation citizens credentials and a firearm. Until counter-intelligence is taken seriously by police administrators, agencies are going to be years behind the curve.

It's bad enough to worry about turncoats, but we have to worry about pinheaded Poindexters, as well.

Yup. people who come to this country at 18, 19, 20, 21 y.o., become citizens a few years later and apply for LE. How do you check their affiliations from the old country?

The more commons situation we see are the drug dealers and bad-ash BGs who obviously will not pass background checks. But their girlfriends and/wives can. So guess what!

Rohniss
05-28-2011, 05:51
Too bad Treason and Sedition don't apply.


Eh, Wiki as a source but w/e

Outside legal spheres, the word "traitor" may also be used to describe a person who betrays (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betrayal) (or is accused of betraying) their own political party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party), nation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation), family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family), friends (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend), ethnic group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group), team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team), religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion), social class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class), or other group to which they may belong.

So from a legal prospective, no they ain't traitors... though one could argue their support for an extra-governmental entity in a foreign land, which is functioning as a de facto government in some locales of the aforementioned foreign land could rise to that standard. Or atleast I would like for it to do so.

If you want to go back to English Common Law we've got Petite or Petty Treason, which covers acts of betrayal not against the Crown... the main difference is that the guilty could be expected to be hanged but not drawn and quartered...

As for Sedition... we'll I think its a pity that those laws were repealed/struck down or simply not enforced.

If I made a mistake I just finished a shift and im tired.

lawman800
05-28-2011, 21:11
No surprise here. Gangs have been infiltraiting forever since the early days. Actually, the truth is quite the opposite. The good guys are the ones who infiltrated and took over this profession when Sir Peele professionalized LE. Even that took forever to really get most of the profession cleaned up. Really, when would you say LE became clean on a national or international level? I would say the US is doing well as a whole with incidents here and there but that's about it.

We are losing the battle from within as well as from the outside. Full thorough backgrounds are cost prohibitive for most agencies that aren't top secret fed jobs. Then you add in lazy BI's who can miss or overlook clues on bad apples while DQ'ing good guys who they don't like.

God help us all.