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DerekMK23
05-27-2011, 09:33
I have recently purchase a 14" AR10 that has a fixed 2" muzzle brake.
I am trying to decide on what optic to buy I am really leaning towards a Vortex 2.5-10 x 51 pst with a canted burris fast fire II. What are your opinions? Anyone had extensive expirience with canted sights?

DerekMK23
06-09-2011, 10:08
wow this thread was dead before it ever started! you know no replies like.... hey derek yeah i have tried the side cant dont care for it much, or yeah vortex is a good brand at an affordable price nice choice! or hey give this a try. or HEY there is a large object in the back room with lube on the table.... drop your drawers.... you know what you need to do.

faawrenchbndr
06-09-2011, 10:27
Dang dude,........you need less coffee!

I've never tried the Vortex line of optics. I prefer Leupold.
What is this going to be used for? I've got a 3.5-10 that will be going on a FN SPR.

Great optic power in my opinion.

Cant sights, never tried them. I do like the Burris Fast Fire though.

Unistat
06-09-2011, 10:39
I have the same question as the OP, actually. Eventually my .308 will be wearing an ACOG, but I would like something in the interim while I save. Prefferably in the sub $200.00 range.

faawrenchbndr
06-09-2011, 10:55
The Millet DMS-1 is a 1-4 reticle/illuminated reticle scope. It's in the $200 range

Unistat
06-09-2011, 13:25
The Millet DMS-1 is a 1-4 reticle/illuminated reticle scope. It's in the $200 range

Thanks! That might be just what I'm looking for.

G27RR
06-09-2011, 14:08
Thanks! That might be just what I'm looking for.

The Falcon Menace 1.5-5x32 is in the same range, also with an illuminated reticle (selectable red or green) and mil/mil adjustments. Here's what one looks like on an AR-10. The reticle doesn't blur at the bottom it's just a poor photo.

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n634/G27RR/IMG_1027-1.jpg

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n634/G27RR/IMG_1031.jpg

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n634/G27RR/FalconMenace15-5xgreenIR.jpg

Goodspeed(TPF)
06-09-2011, 14:14
I have recently purchase a 14" AR10 that has a fixed 2" muzzle brake.

Pics.

Spiffums
06-09-2011, 14:55
14 " barrel on a 308? Never seen one that short, but that's not saying much. Since it's a Perm Hider weapon I would say Red Dot and Magnifier.

cjs83
06-09-2011, 15:10
Depends what you want, I think I am going to go with a Accupoint with my 16" .308

faawrenchbndr
06-09-2011, 15:13
Thanks! That might be just what I'm looking for.

The DMS-1 has what they call a "dot in donut" reticle,......love it!

Unistat
06-09-2011, 15:35
The DMS-1 has what they call a "dot in donut" reticle,......love it!

Yeah, I read that and that's a big plus for me too.

Here is mine.

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BBJones
06-09-2011, 15:46
I have recently purchase a 14" AR10 that has a fixed 2" muzzle brake.
I am trying to decide on what optic to buy I am really leaning towards a Vortex 2.5-10 x 51 pst with a canted burris fast fire II. What are your opinions? Anyone had extensive expirience with canted sights?

My brother is going to mount that same optic on his AR10 (Viper PST 2.5x10 MRAD). 16" Noveske barrel (dimpled KAC style), BABC, Troy Extreme, etc. Hasn't shot it yet, but he and I were both impressed by the quality of the glass for the price. He ditched his Leupold because he was sick of the mil reticule and MOA turrets (had an older model, sold it and paid for the Vortex and kept $150 in cash). Its no NF. For the money, I think you would be hard pressed to find something of the same quality.

No experience with offset red dots at all. I always mount my scopes in QD mounts and have flip up iron back-ups. I could see how an offset mount would be useful for 3G or for a gun that has multiple uses for both short and long range (say entry and field).

Pat (aka Alaskapopo) would be a good person to ask (he runs similar setups on his AR15's). If my memory serves, you 2 might have had a beef in another thread (apologies if I am confusing you with someone else).

I have no experience with a Burris FF but I would opt for Aimpoint micro. Not sure how well the FF will hold up over time. take that with a grain of salt.

(I love the internet. I just gave advice based on not using any of the items the OP asked about.)

M1A Shooter
06-09-2011, 16:59
i have the millett DMS on my 16" stag carbine. i like its reticle as i can use it pretty quickly if just looking through the reticle and shooting at whats in the circle. i can also dial it up to 4x and shoot 400 yards pretty well.

i am waiting on my R700 in 308 to show up and will be ordering a Bushnell Elite 6500 Tactical with a 4.5-30x range scope on it. they make a 6500 with a 2.5-16x as well. if i were doing a .308 carbine, id probably go with teh 2.5-16x.

i have no experience with the vortex line and only a brief handling of the fast fire when i was working as a range safety. one guy brought one up mounted on a glock and every so often it would shut off. figured the recoil was causing the power switch to move. might have similar issues on a .308 rifle as well. i do like the MRD sights but would probably look for the trijicon or docter brands.

FatBoy
06-09-2011, 19:40
I have a 3x ACOG on my 16" AR10. No use for canted sights, never used the Vortex.

I didn't know ArmaLite started making 14" uppers.

FB

jobob
06-09-2011, 20:39
I have the same question as the OP, actually. Eventually my .308 will be wearing an ACOG, but I would like something in the interim while I save. Prefferably in the sub $200.00 range.

I have a DMS and don't recommend it. Optics are poor, though I do like the reticle. Weaver 1 - 3x goes for about $150 and has great optics for the money. It's compact and light weight too.

gsdrulz
06-09-2011, 21:13
I have a vortex crossfire on my Savage 223 that has not given me any problems. It does "fish bowl" a little at the the highest X's. That is a minor issue as I never really crank it up that high.

For a sub $200 scope I have heard very good things about the stuff that Primary Arms puts out. And they are a Glock Talk sponsor.
http://primaryarms.com/category.sc?categoryId=156

Alaskapopo
06-09-2011, 21:52
I have recently purchase a 14" AR10 that has a fixed 2" muzzle brake.
I am trying to decide on what optic to buy I am really leaning towards a Vortex 2.5-10 x 51 pst with a canted burris fast fire II. What are your opinions? Anyone had extensive expirience with canted sights?

I have a similar set up on my precision 5.56 rig and like it.
Pat
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/355sigfan/AR%20style%20rifles/LarueStealth.jpg

G27RR
06-10-2011, 06:47
The FastFire II has held up fine on my 5.56mm OBR. They can be used on pistols and shotguns, too, so a .308 should be fine. I like the 1 o'clock mount. Very fast transitions from scope to dot just by slightly rotating the rifle while keeping your cheekweld.

http://www.burrisoptics.com/fastfire.html

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n634/G27RR/800600/LaRueOBR800600.jpg

DerekMK23
06-10-2011, 17:26
[QUOTE=BBJones;17471078]

"Pat (aka Alaskapopo) If my memory serves, you 2 might have had a beef in another thread"

We had a discussion and simply that no beef in my opinion. Wow I am going to have a look at all of these and I have asked Pat and he has been good enough to post info on it again I just wants more feedback is all.

DerekMK23
06-10-2011, 17:34
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee495/Derekmk23/980a32ae.jpg
alright here are the pics asked for it is a piston but please don't steal the thread with a piston vs DI discussion. I have some friends that work for PWS and I enjoy their products. I like DI too my next rifle will probably be a 20" KAC SR-25 with an m16 stock and a decent 2.5-10x51 optic or bigger.

FatBoy
06-10-2011, 23:27
Not to be nit-picky, but that's not an AR10.

FB

DerekMK23
06-11-2011, 04:57
Not to be nit-picky, but that's not an AR10.

FB

Fair enough I used a broad term to describe my MK214 so that I wouldn't be harassed about it being piston. But as I understood it an ar based rifle that comes in a 7.62x51 is classified as an ar10 In the civie world. Care to set me straight so I don't mess up again?

Jumper
06-11-2011, 06:32
Armalite makes the AR10. The "AR" in AR-15 and AR-10 stands for Armalite Rifle. I believe it is trademarked because no other manufacturer can make a 7.62x51 DI rifle and call it an AR10 or, a 5.56 and call it an AR15. AR10 has come to be the term that loosely describes any semi-auto DI .308 or variant thereof by some people but its not technically correct unless the rifle is made by Armalite.

fx77
06-11-2011, 09:59
I like this on my AR 10

http://www.usoptics.com/product.php?partnumber=ST-1000

FatBoy
06-11-2011, 10:55
Fair enough I used a broad term to describe my MK214 so that I wouldn't be harassed about it being piston. But as I understood it an ar based rifle that comes in a 7.62x51 is classified as an ar10 In the civie world. Care to set me straight so I don't mess up again?

Well, AR-10 is a reg trademark of ArmaLite. I believe G.A.P. and Noveske make AR-10s under licence. The problem w/ the .308/7.62 AR platform that differs from the .223/5.56 is that parts are not interchangeable.

In the AR15 world you can have a RR lower, Stag LPK, ArmaLite BCG, Bravo upper, DD FF Rail, run Colt mags and and all will be fine.

Not so w/ the "Ar-10" world. Current ArmaLite AR-10s used a modified M14 type mag(Gen-II), RR is using FAL mags, Bushmaster BAR-10(no longer made) used FAL mags, KAC/DPMS actually use the original ArmaLite pattern mag(I believe current Bushys use this mag also), CMMG was trying to get one to work w/ G3 mags(not sure if it ever came out). There are more, but you get the picture. It's all kind of confusing.

To me the KAC/DPMS is the closest thing to a 7.62 "standard".

There's some info here http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=62&t=378850 . It's been a while since I have skimmed that page.

For full disclosure, I own an 16" ArmaLite AR10, but I am not a snob. If I were, I'd own a KAC.:whistling:

FB

DerekMK23
06-11-2011, 13:04
I like this on my AR 10

http://www.usoptics.com/product.php?partnumber=ST-1000

Good to know about the "AR" clarification. That looks like a really nice scope but doesnt the cost of that scope compete with some NF optics?