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AGAF
05-28-2011, 16:22
I am very new to black rifles, but have been bitten by the bug. I realize that this is a very difficult question because there are so many different types, parts, mods, accessories, etc. that the range can be quite large.

What I am looking for is an entry, novice level AR that is either used, or just some lower end "brand" that is quite functional, but maybe not something that you are paying for the name alone. I'd like to find either a built AR with the basic parts or a kit of some sort that will allow me to build my first AR "project".
I don't have the money to trick one out right now.

This may seem very vague, but again, I am brand new to the AR world. I don't even really know where to start.

I appreciate everyone's help!

mixflip
05-28-2011, 17:06
Excpect to see usual BCM, Daniel Defense, Spikes recommendations which is good advice. $800 to $1000 is the usual price for the (now cliche) top tier featured AR's. I personally prefer Stag Arms just to be a little different and I like that they proudly offer a lifetime warranty and now offer top tier features on their guns. I hope they make the plus package their standard features in the near future.

When browsing the site to see the plus package, just click on any rifle and there will be a drop down box for a plus package option.
http://www.stagarms.com/information.php?info_id=13

You could always go with a cheap AR for $499 such as a Hesse/Blackthorne but fit & finish might be spotty and the parts may not last as long over time and more importantly under heavy use, than a better quality AR? But they will poke holes in paper just fine if thats all you want to do? Trust me though, you will learn more and more and end up wanting a better gun anyway so you might as well educate yourself on what features you really want now just to save you time and money.

Who knows, you might get bit by the BRD (black rifle disease) really bad and want to take your gun to a carbine course which will definitely require a quality gun.

chris in va
05-28-2011, 17:20
S&W M&P 15 Sport. $630.

Jeepnik
05-28-2011, 18:29
I'll second Stag. Heck most AR's are built using CMT (Stag's parent company) parts.

Fabius
05-28-2011, 19:20
S&W M&P 15 Sport. $630.

+1. Got mine for $599.

GunHo198
05-28-2011, 20:28
Yep. Anything complete with a Flat top receiver for under $700-$800 is a good price. I piece mine together for around $700+. But thats the cheap buddy price without any frills. If you go with a voltar butt stock, and magpul grip, free float rail etc.. The price starts to climb.

AGAF
05-28-2011, 20:53
Thanks for the suggestion guys. I'm going to check each of these out.

South Fla
05-28-2011, 20:56
S&W M&P 15 Sport. $630.

Where?

RyanNREMTP
05-28-2011, 22:55
For starters, what are you planning on using it for?

Just range plinking?
Home or self defense?
Hunting?
Going to war?
Safe Queen?

GunHo198
05-28-2011, 23:03
Zombie's???

Keep in mind that even with a great deal on a basic rifle. They will eventually soak up your cash fast. All the accessories and upgrades tend to eat at the wallet especially if you want a nice optic.

Off the top of my head piecing one together is something like:

Stripped lower $130.0 + background check
Lower parts kit $75.00?
Upper receiver $100.00
Barrel $300.00 + With handguards and front site
YHM free float rail Tube $100.00+
Magpul grip $30.00
Buttstock (Cheap $50.00 Voltar $150.00)
BUIS $50.00 and up
Decent optics $200.00 and up
ANPVS $xxxx.xx

These are not 100% accurate. Just off the top of my head as my catalogues are at work. LOL

micdude
05-28-2011, 23:15
S&W M&P 15 Sport 599.00
Spike's Tactical ST-15 LE Carbine 799.00
M&P M4 799.00 on (cdnn)

By the way spikes cost less than your Stags do and for the price point Spikes canít be beat, no extra 100 dollars for their mp/mpi tests just comes with it.

Or spend a little more on a colt 6520 from cdnn for 899.00

djegators
05-28-2011, 23:15
I guess maybe I see an "entry level" AR a little differently...I don't see it as mid quality brand, I see it as a top quality brand, but in a basic configuration. Shoot a case or two through, then decide what upgrades you might desire. I don't see the need to buy an inferior product just because you are new to the platform.

mixflip
05-28-2011, 23:41
S&W M&P 15 Sport 599.00
Spike's Tactical ST-15 LE Carbine 799.00
M&P M4 799.00 on (cdnn)

By the way spikes cost less than your Stags do and for the price point Spikes canít be beat, no extra 100 dollars for their mp/mpi tests just comes with it.

Or spend a little more on a colt 6520 from cdnn for 899.00

You are absolutely correct. And for the record you will never see me say Stag is the best bang for the buck. I just like Stag because of their lifetime warranty.

I have to admit the S&W M&P does seem like a good bang for the buck for a plinker/home defense gun.

micdude
05-28-2011, 23:49
Oh here found that MP15SPORT @ Buds for 589.00 I think shipping might be free, anyway here you go. I have never shot one but I did handle one at my local gun shop looks like a good deal on a plinking rifle. I have seen some guy’s swap out the upper on these to get a forward assist,barrel ect.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_763/products_id/71969

GunHo198
05-28-2011, 23:56
No muzzle break or bayonet lug? Is that still ileagal in some states?

micdude
05-29-2011, 00:06
Itís Californian except I think you also need to make it so you can't remove the mag.

bonetown
05-29-2011, 00:09
you can put together one for about $500 if you're on a budget (without optics)

$120 for a plum crazy polymer lower

$375 for a JSE surplus upper

$495 before shipping

Fabius
05-29-2011, 05:37
The picture of the Sport on Bud's website doesn't have a flash hider. My Sport and the other one's that I've seen in stores have standard A2 flash hiders. Might check with Bud's before buying to see what you're getting.

Glock Preacher
05-29-2011, 06:46
Purchased a M&P Sport yesterday at Bud's for $568.00 plus tax-($602.00 out the door, I live in Ky.) It had the a2 flash suppressor on it. Great deal on a lower end AR with a good warranty.:cool:

AGAF
05-29-2011, 07:25
Man, I sure appreciate everyone chiming in here. I'm just looking for another gun hobby/plinking rifle. Wouldn't be for home defense. I'm not LEO, Military, or any other private contract operator, just a guy who enjoys guns and would love to tinker around with another one.

mjkeat
05-29-2011, 08:42
S&W would be my vote for the $500-<$700 range. Anything over $700 and BCM is your best bet.

MikeinCincy
05-29-2011, 08:56
I got my first AR late last year and it was a Colt LE6940. You should look into those (or the LE6920 too).

micdude
05-29-2011, 12:15
Purchased a M&P Sport yesterday at Bud's for $568.00 plus tax-($602.00 out the door, I live in Ky.) It had the a2 flash suppressor on it. Great deal on a lower end AR with a good warranty.:cool:



Just out of curiosity how do you like Bud’s? Down the line you could swap out the barrel for a chrome lined mp inspected DD barrel and put a upper with forward assist,m4 cuts and it would be as good as most guns out there.

zhix
05-29-2011, 12:49
S&W M&P 15 Sport 599.00
Spike's Tactical ST-15 LE Carbine 799.00
M&P M4 799.00 on (cdnn)

By the way spikes cost less than your Stags do and for the price point Spikes canít be beat, no extra 100 dollars for their mp/mpi tests just comes with it.

Or spend a little more on a colt 6520 from cdnn for 899.00


That may be true, but don't try convincing the Stag minions of it.

I have never owned any Spike's rifles or parts, but I did buy a Stag after hearing everyone fawn over them.
I may have gotten a rare lemon, but more importantly, their customer service sucks in my experience. Its supposedly being fixed for the THIRD time now.

Anyhow, if I was buying my first AR again I would get a Colt whether it's for plinking or serious use, but if you really don't want to spend the money I might try an M&P

micdude
05-29-2011, 12:58
That may be true, but don't try convincing the Stag minions of it.

I have never owned any Spike's rifles or parts, but I did buy a Stag after hearing everyone fawn over them.
I may have gotten a rare lemon, but more importantly, their customer service sucks in my experience. Its supposedly being fixed for the THIRD time now.

Anyhow, if I was buying my first AR again I would get a Colt whether it's for plinking or serious use, but if you really don't want to spend the money I might try an M&P

Why not BCM I have had no problems with mine, sorry to hear you got a lemon but you would be less likely to get a lemon if they were inspected i.e. mp/mpi tested. That said I would pay the extra 100 dollars if I was buying a stag.

Randy from Kansas
05-29-2011, 13:32
you can put together one for about $500 if you're on a budget (without optics)

$120 for a plum crazy polymer lower

$375 for a JSE surplus upper

$495 before shipping


+1 here

except go to Midway for a DPMS AR-15 Sportical Flattop Upper Assembly

$359.99 upper
$12.00 shipping
$119.19 lower assemble
$491.18 Total with shipping


any extra money buy bullets, rear sight $34.95 from Black Dawn and go have some fun

Glock Preacher
05-29-2011, 15:07
Just out of curiosity how do you like Budís? Down the line you could swap out the barrel for a chrome lined mp inspected DD barrel and put a upper with forward assist,m4 cuts and it would be as good as most guns out there.
Bud's staff were very friendly and I got exceptional service from the young man who helped me. The place is a candy store for gun lover's. Looks like there could be some mods to the gun but I was looking for something on that level for my first AR purchase.

zhix
05-29-2011, 15:17
Why not BCM I have had no problems with mine, sorry to hear you got a lemon but you would be less likely to get a lemon if they were inspected i.e. mp/mpi tested. That said I would pay the extra 100 dollars if I was buying a stag.


Mine HAS the "plus package" MP/HP 1/7 features, the problem is not getting a "lemon" its that ,believe it or not, they havn't made it right in two attempts.

As for BCM I have a few of their parts(barrel,BCGs, etc.) for my own builds, but I just don't care to have their complete rifles.

Jeepnik
05-29-2011, 19:04
Itís Californian except I think you also need to make it so you can't remove the mag.

All the goodies are legal if you have a magazine that requires a tool to detatch.

Randy from Kansas
05-29-2011, 20:24
All the goodies are legal if you have a magazine that requires a tool to detatch.

So can you get a Beta Mag and use it as your Magazine? And use a tool to release it and it would be legal.

Victoriagotagun
05-29-2011, 23:40
So can you get a Beta Mag and use it as your Magazine? And use a tool to release it and it would be legal.

Only if the Beta mag was 10rds.

Jeepnik
05-30-2011, 10:14
So can you get a Beta Mag and use it as your Magazine? And use a tool to release it and it would be legal.

As long as you abide by the ten round limit yes.

Randy from Kansas
05-30-2011, 10:45
I had forgotten about the ten round rule, maybe it will be changed back to where it should be.

glad I do not live there

locosteelersfan
06-01-2011, 19:17
understand this much...your going to be spending money on it for awhile, so don't tart up a turd. Buy a decent starter and piece it together as you can.

I bought a S/W optics ready flattop cause it was a steal at 600 new thinking oh its only 600 I don't need much extra. I'm glad I got a good quality rifle cause at the end of the day I have alot more than that tied into. Consider a basic eotech is 400 alone..again why not just invest an additional 100-200 on a good carbine thats going to last your lifetime and holds its value.

You may think... oh I don't need an eotech/aimpoint or quad rails or buis.....then you'll get the rifle, love it, and end up buying the stuff. Your a gun guy, don't kid yourself. Great thing about the platform is each part is individual so take your time and be happy at the end of the day.

Buy it right the first time, its cheaper(words to live by)

Markasaurus
06-01-2011, 21:01
Delete.

BBJones
06-01-2011, 21:54
PLease anyone who buys an AR ignore the previous post. Totally useless.

micdude
06-01-2011, 23:04
PLease anyone who buys an AR ignore the previous post. Totally useless.

That :chatter::chatter:

MajorD
06-02-2011, 08:36
gunho 198- yes can't have a bayonet lug, telestock or flash suppressor in NY.

MajorD
06-02-2011, 08:39
I built a rifle from a del-ton kit recently and it ran perfect from the first shot- the kit cost about 500 bucks as I recall and a stripped lower was 99 bucks shipped and ffl fees included so I had a complete functional rifle for right at 600 bucks. I'd say in fully assembled rifles that the M&P sport from smith and wesson would be the way to go.