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Ruggles
06-01-2011, 19:25
So I made the mistake again of going to a gun store at lunch today. Been wanting a smaller gun to carry since it is freaking hot here already. 101 degrees today! Yikes and very humid, gotta love south Texas.

Looked at a number of smaller guns and came away with this after looking at 3" 1911, PK380, LCP, Kahr, PPK & PPK/s etc. This one seemed the best balance of small size, shoot ability and the manual of arms of the 1911 which I normally carry some type of.

http://i54.tinypic.com/23gz5fq.jpg

The basic Sig 238, Nitron model with night sights.

It's a small little thing to say the least. Here are some comparison pics with a 5" and a 4" 1911 for those who not seen this little guy in person.

http://i51.tinypic.com/5tyuk1.jpg
http://i54.tinypic.com/24ceae8.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/2zhmov8.jpg
http://i53.tinypic.com/5kf3u9.jpg

And the holster it came with, some "testing" ammo

http://i56.tinypic.com/2n9htkw.jpg

Have not shot it yet but early observations are:

1. The small size is clearly a win for CCW
2. Weight is around 15oz so that is nice as well
3. Clearly designed for CCW, well rounded with no sharp edges, the hammer recesses into the gun nicely when cocked.
4. You can loaded and unload the gun with the safety engaged, nice feature.
5. The sights while well proportioned (i.e. small) to the gun but have normal sized night sites inserts. This creates a very very nice and clear sight picture, in fact by far the best sight picture I have ever seen on a gun this size.
6. Slide lock/release is also larger than normal on this gun. Not so large as to cause an issue but very easy to engage with the thumb. Again a nice change from some guns this size.
7. The included holster is a nice bonus. With this clearly being a CCW it makes sense that the buyer need something to use until they find a more longterm holster. Thumbs up to Sig for adding this.
8. Steel, steel and more steel. Even the guide rod is steel. No offense but I like steel over those darn plastic guns......

The only thing I can speak negatively about is Sig only including 1 magazine. I think they could add $15 to the MSRP include 2 mags and call it a day.

Anyways for a 1911 guy or girl looking for a small carry gun this seems like a very good option. Manual of arms is the same and the trigger is very 1911 like, it comes in at around 6-7lbs but that is fine on a gun like this IMO.

I am looking forward to testing this out for reliability. Not crazy about the .380 in general but as a trade off for this size gun I think it is very workable. Gonna stick with FMJs for carry as I am not sure the 2.7" barrel is going to give enough velocity for JHPs.


I paid $525 for it, not sure how that stacks up but seems fair to me. Anybody know what the average street price is on these? First time I have been in this gun shop but their prices on models I am more familiar with seemed fair.


Thanks

thecableguy
06-01-2011, 19:32
I didn't even know these were around. When are you going to shoot it? Would really like to read a range report. Looks it would make a really good BUG. Congrats man.

glock2740
06-01-2011, 19:32
Congrats! :cool:

awpk03s
06-01-2011, 19:34
Nice! Can't wait to hear how it shoots.

bac1023
06-01-2011, 19:40
Congrats! :cool:

CMG
06-01-2011, 19:46
Nice choice.

In the ultra-hot summer months I carry the same gun, and the locked-breach really tames the recoil in such a small gun.

BTW, I run the older MetalForm (made for the Colt Mustang) mags in mine without issues.

Sig Sauer P238
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b175/pb9x19/SigP238rw.jpg

Ruggles
06-01-2011, 20:01
Thanks all!

Good to know about the Mustang magazines, I was not aware of that :)

I hope to shoot it within the next 7-10 days depending upon work. I will update this thread when I do :)

Now I want wood grips dang you! LOL. Have you had any reliability issue with you 238?

Hokie1911
06-01-2011, 20:15
Ruggles, let me be the voice of reality. Why the F didn't you get the rainbow titanium???

Foxtrotx1
06-01-2011, 20:21
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p238-lady.aspx

Disappointed that you didn't get this model.

Ruggles
06-01-2011, 20:25
Ruggles, let me be the voice of reality. Why the F didn't you get the rainbow titanium???

:rofl: Dude they so had it! If fact when I looked in the case (remember I had not been to this store before) I saw the 238 and said "sweet" and then saw it was the rainbow one. I was like "errrrrrrrrrr ummmmmm am I man enough to pull that off?"

Then I breathed a sigh of relief when in the next case they had about 4-5 different version of the 238 including the one I bought :rofl:

Now I am not saying I could not have pulled off the rainbow one cause I do plan on being a pimp when I retire from my current job. But for now the basic black will do. :supergrin:

midliferally
06-01-2011, 20:29
I've got one too. It's the de-horned carry model. It has rounded edges. I'll try to post pics tomorrow. Nice little gun. I also bought it because of the 1911 like controls. Surprisingly accurate.

Ruggles
06-01-2011, 20:29
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p238-lady.aspx

Disappointed that you didn't get this model.

Oh oh oh they did not have that one.......if they did they would have had two partially digested tacos on their counter that I had scarfed down as I drove to the store at lunch time. :ack:

WTF??? Who in Germany thought that looked good? :rofl:

No wonder we kicked their ass twice last century :tongueout:

Cobra64
06-01-2011, 20:30
Congrats Ruggles. They are cute little devils.

midliferally
06-01-2011, 20:32
There is a recall notice posted on Sigs website. Only certain serial numbers are affected. I would think yours would not bee affected but you might want to check.

Hokie1911
06-01-2011, 20:35
Congrats! :cool:

If you buy one of these I will drive over and kick you in the bojangles. :supergrin:

midliferally
06-01-2011, 20:36
If you have a SIG SAUER P238 with a serial number between DA000501 and DA003216, please cease use of the firearm immediately. Not all P238s within the identified serial number range are affected; therefore, it is imperative that you contact us via the UPGRADE HOT LINE at 1 (866) 446-1914. An operator will take your information and confirm if your firearm is required to be returned for Upgrading. If necessary, you will receive a certified package from SIG SAUER that will contain a UPS shipping return label, a Return Merchandise Authorization Number, and a box to return the firearm. Simply affix the provided UPS shipping label to the supplied box (completely covering the existing shipping label) and bring the box to a designated UPS drop-off location. Please be certain to include the magazine along with the original SIG SAUER blue gun box. If you have questions or would like further information, you may contact SIG SAUER CUSTOMER SERVICE at 603-772-2302 (Choose Option # 3).
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This does not affect ANY of the 27Axxxxxx serialized pistols.
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We apologize for any inconvenience and appreciate your immediate cooperation in the return of your P238 handgun.
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Sincerely,
SIG SAUER, Inc.*

Fedor
06-01-2011, 20:38
Cute, but I wouldnt call it a 1911.

Ruggles
06-01-2011, 20:40
"Congrats Ruggles. They are cute little devils."

Thanks, they are cute but did not want to be the first guy to call them "cute" :)

"There is a recall notice posted on Sigs website. Only certain serial numbers are affected. I would think yours would not bee affected but you might want to check."

Just checked and mine is one of the "27A" serial number guns so it is good to go but thanks for the heads up!

mrsurfboard
06-01-2011, 20:40
The range master at my range has one. Tried it, a little small for my liking. I like the Sig P232 better in .380

Ruggles
06-01-2011, 20:44
Cute, but I wouldnt call it a 1911.

Well with a little fertilizer, sun, water and love who knows what it might grow up to be :tongueout:

It is about as 1911ish as you can get with out being a 1911 IMO. Clearly a copy of the Colt Mustang which clearly was a copy of their on bread and butter gun the 1911. It has some strong Signess to it as well but closer enough to a 1911 for me. :tongueout:

Ruggles
06-01-2011, 20:47
The range master at my range has one. Tried it, a little small for my liking. I like the Sig P232 better in .380

Those are nice little guns as well. I would really like one in .32ACP :)

Sig is releasing a 7 round (factor mag is 6 rd) mag with a finger extension for the 238 so I might give one of those a try as I would like a little longer grip.

CMG
06-01-2011, 21:19
There is a recall notice posted on Sigs website. Only certain serial numbers are affected. I would think yours would not bee affected but you might want to check.

That's for the early pistols, I believe, those made a year or so back.

I've had no functioning issues with mine at all. It is basically Sig's version of the Colt Mustang - reportedly made under license from Colt.

knedrgr
06-01-2011, 21:34
http://i56.tinypic.com/2n9htkw.jpg

7. The included holster is a nice bonus. With this clearly being a CCW it makes sense that the buyer need something to use until they find a more longterm holster. Thumbs up to Sig for adding this.

I just found your longterm holster...

http://flashbangholster.com/Flashbang_Holster/Welcome.html



























:tongueout::rofl:
BTW congrats on the new gun.

HotRoderX
06-01-2011, 21:35
very nice baby 1911.

Ruggles
06-01-2011, 22:02
Hmmmmm......

http://flashbangholster.com/Flashbang_Holster/Welcome.html



I just might one. I can carry a 238 in each boob and then dual wield when the bad guys attack :tongueout:

spookshack
06-01-2011, 22:20
http://flashbangholster.com/Flashbang_Holster/Photos.html#1 :drool:

Ruggles
06-01-2011, 22:23
http://flashbangholster.com/Flashbang_Holster/Photos.html#1 :drool:

:rofl:

I better stop commenting, I prefer to keep my gun forums and porn forums separate, don't want any accidentally crossed post. Could be embarrassing! :tongueout:

Cochese
06-02-2011, 00:09
I love mine. Got it from Jays Guns in FL, via GunsAmerica.com last year. Paid $425 with standard sights. I added ATS sights, but I think I'm gonna order a set of Novaks. I also added Larry D's lizards. There is a company that will make me a flat trigger as well. Probably gonna order one of those and get it fitted. I need some spare mags.

It's a little zesty with .380 but manageable. I can easily pass our department qual with it. I shoot RA380T out of it by policy.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rDed7IPEXTg/TT-4JQpG4uI/AAAAAAAACs0/ZiutwzCWIpw/s512/2011-01-25_22-52-44_548.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ebNW67AJFVo/TH7K4MAu9sI/AAAAAAAACs0/-t7Jm5NiOPo/s512/2010-08-26_15-41-21_22.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-fPJkfDZtG7c/TH7HIJO6keI/AAAAAAAACs0/67mZcRyHkog/s512/2010-08-26_15-39-49_623.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-aSeuII_aH2I/TH7EsC4uZNI/AAAAAAAACs0/RLFwTpco7Po/s512/2010-08-26_15-39-22_106.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_hr0BYYT9Zw/TecTiKh6Q2I/AAAAAAAAC8E/0LFOtE69lt8/s512/IMAG0423.jpg

woodrowNC
06-02-2011, 00:39
i like it. but then i like guns period. except the revolver with the upsidedown cylinder. not a chance.

woodrowNC
06-02-2011, 00:41
I love mine. Got it from Jays Guns in FL, via GunsAmerica.com last year. Paid $425 with standard sights. I added ATS sights, but I think I'm gonna order a set of Novaks. I also added Larry D's lizards. There is a company that will make me a flat trigger as well. Probably gonna order one of those and get it fitted. I need some spare mags.

It's a little zesty with .380 but manageable. I can easily pass our department qual with it. I shoot RA380T out of it by policy.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rDed7IPEXTg/TT-4JQpG4uI/AAAAAAAACs0/ZiutwzCWIpw/s512/2011-01-25_22-52-44_548.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ebNW67AJFVo/TH7K4MAu9sI/AAAAAAAACs0/-t7Jm5NiOPo/s512/2010-08-26_15-41-21_22.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-fPJkfDZtG7c/TH7HIJO6keI/AAAAAAAACs0/67mZcRyHkog/s512/2010-08-26_15-39-49_623.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-aSeuII_aH2I/TH7EsC4uZNI/AAAAAAAACs0/RLFwTpco7Po/s512/2010-08-26_15-39-22_106.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_hr0BYYT9Zw/TecTiKh6Q2I/AAAAAAAAC8E/0LFOtE69lt8/s512/IMAG0423.jpg

not to hijack here but, cochese, how does the nemesis work for you. been thinking about one.

Gunshine
06-02-2011, 05:01
I like the little 238. I've heard good things about them after they resolved some early issues. The rainbow version and a pink holster would be nice. :cool:

knedrgr
06-02-2011, 05:56
Hmmmmm......

http://flashbangholster.com/Flashbang_Holster/Welcome.html



I just might one. I can carry a 238 in each boob and then dual wield when the bad guys attack :tongueout:


Now you can use the phrase, "say hello to my little friend..." :rofl:

HexHead
06-02-2011, 06:37
not to hijack here but, cochese, how does the nemesis work for you. been thinking about one.

I use a Nemesis with my Colt Mustang. Works great.

Cochese
06-02-2011, 09:56
not to hijack here but, cochese, how does the nemesis work for you. been thinking about one.

I love the nemesis. I've had one in service since they came out. G26, P3AT, LCP, X26, 238 all have worked great.

Nakanokalronin
06-02-2011, 12:14
I've had a P238 for awhile now and IMO its the best pocket .380 out there. You can try the Mustang magazines since its almost a direct copy of the Mustang, however you may or may not run into problems.

Sig went with a 100% Mustang set-up when they where first introduced. Like many Mustang owners back in the day, people had some problems with the P238. Sig is now on the 3rd Gen magazines with a slope w/dimple follower that looks nothing like the Mustang follower. They are also on their 3rd Gen recoil spring which is a flat type.

I have a P238 that came with the newest mag but the oldest recoil spring and I've had zero problems with it going on 1200 rounds now. I have three - 3 pack recoil springs from Sig. First two sets where sent free with a phone call which was a pack of the original type and the 2nd Gen stronger type. I just recently found out about the flat type but had to pay for this set because they already sent me enough freebies.

Mine is the basic 2-tone model w/night sights. I added a set of VZ grips and a stainless steel trigger and grip screws. The screws are just 1911 slim line screws that may or may not need shortening depending on the grips and the trigger is made by someone over at one of the 1911 forums which dropped right in without any fitting required.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1803/sigp238.jpg

Cochese
06-02-2011, 12:24
I've had a P238 for awhile now and IMO its the best pocket .380 out there. You can try the Mustang magazines since its almost a direct copy of the Mustang, however you may or may not run into problems.

Sig went with a 100% Mustang set-up when they where first introduced. Like many Mustang owners back in the day, people had some problems with the P238. Sig is now on the 3rd Gen magazines with a slope w/dimple follower that looks nothing like the Mustang follower. They are also on their 3rd Gen recoil spring which is a flat type.

I have a P238 that came with the newest mag but the oldest recoil spring and I've had zero problems with it going on 1200 rounds now. I have three - 3 pack recoil springs from Sig. First two sets where sent free with a phone call which was a pack of the original type and the 2nd Gen stronger type. I just recently found out about the flat type but had to pay for this set because they already sent me enough freebies.

Mine is the basic 2-tone model w/night sights. I added a set of VZ grips and a stainless steel trigger and grip screws. The screws are just 1911 slim line screws that may or may not need shortening depending on the grips and the trigger is made by someone over at one of the 1911 forums which dropped right in without any fitting required.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1803/sigp238.jpg

Does this trigger maker offer a flat trigger???? Link?

Nakanokalronin
06-02-2011, 13:02
Click this link: http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=270332

Then scroll down to post #10 which is a member called Partsproduction. I don't think he offers a flat trigger but you could ask him.

Cochese
06-02-2011, 13:12
Click this link: http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=270332

Then scroll down to post #10 which is a member called Partsproduction. I don't think he offers a flat trigger but you could ask him.

PM sent to Mr. PartsProduction.

Thanks!

midliferally
06-02-2011, 13:24
Here is a pic of my 238 SAS model which is the "dehorned" model for carry.
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1d823b3127ccefd116ee7213600000030O11AZN2TVk4Yswe3nwE/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D1/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1d823b3127ccefd112f38e06100000060O21AZN2TVk4Yswe3nwE/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D2/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1d823b3127ccefd11c0e3a05500000060O21AZN2TVk4Yswe3nwE/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D2/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

I really like it and use it as a pocket gun at work. I work where its really hot and could never carry iwb. Ruggles, hope you enjoy yours. I bought the extended mag and it made a world of diff. in my ability to grip the gun. I probably wouldn't have bought it without one. Cheers!

Hokie1911
06-02-2011, 13:52
Here is a pic of my 238 SAS model which is the "dehorned" model for carry.

I really like it and use it as a pocket gun at work. I work where its really hot and could never carry iwb. Ruggles, hope you enjoy yours. I bought the extended mag and it made a world of diff. in my ability to grip the gun. I probably wouldn't have bought it without one. Cheers!


Hold up a sec. "SAS model which is the dehorned model for carry"? Isn't pretty much every P238 a model for carry? Well, except the rainbow titanium model that would get you beat up. :tongueout:

Vanman2004b
06-02-2011, 14:33
SAS=Sig Anti Snag

They are nice. Not sure if they are worth the extra cost. But thet are very nice.

midliferally
06-02-2011, 14:43
Hold up a sec. "SAS model which is the dehorned model for carry"? Isn't pretty much every P238 a model for carry? Well, except the rainbow titanium model that would get you beat up. :tongueout:

Thats what I thought too. I guess some are for the glove box????
I just liked the way the SAS looked better. It also had better grips
in my opinion.

woodrowNC
06-02-2011, 14:44
thanks hexhead, cochese. gonna give it a try.
wood grips makes that gun look totally different to me. in a good way.

Dave T
06-02-2011, 21:08
How does this SIG compare in size and shootability with the small 1911 by Springfield, the EMP? At least it's offered in real calibers. (smile)

Dave

Cochese
06-02-2011, 21:13
How does this SIG compare in size and shootability with the small 1911 by Springfield, the EMP? At least it's offered in real calibers. (smile)

Dave

The 238 is manageable as far as recoil goes. .380 is no slouch either. I've watched three different people die from .380 GSWs in the last year or two.

Here is a size comparison for you. Government, EMP and 238.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7YbquEyBCK4/TO2pG8jVS8I/AAAAAAAACrU/O3ti4gFxOLI/s512/2010-11-24_16-21-43_251.jpg

Cochese
06-02-2011, 21:20
One more to help illustrate.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-du7KJ_2FwFI/TehR1vkchKI/AAAAAAAAC88/KgioLx4j-So/s512/IMAG0424.jpg

CMG
06-02-2011, 22:28
How does this SIG compare in size and shootability with the small 1911 by Springfield, the EMP? At least it's offered in real calibers. (smile)

Dave

If we're talking about a 9mm EMP, the P238 is the same caliber, different cartridge. :tongueout: