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Ajon412
06-01-2011, 22:24
This is just sickening...:sigh: God rest her soul and prayers sent to her family, friends and the MSP ....:fallenofficer:

http://www.odmp.org/officer/20862-trooper-ellen-e-engelhardt

Vigilant
06-01-2011, 22:32
And all the bastard got was a measly 2 1/2 years.

Godspeed, Troop. Prayers tonight.

Scott3670
06-01-2011, 22:59
This ass




hole should have gotten a far longer sentence. Where is the justice?

OD Green Glock 19
06-01-2011, 23:19
2 &1/2 years? What a ****ing joke. I'm thoroughly disgusted. How the hell does a group of people sit down and come to the conclusion that some POS nearly killing a woman, who had dedicated 23 years of her life to serving her state and its citizens, was worth 2.5 years?

EOD3
06-01-2011, 23:24
Remember the "free bullets" mentioned in another thread? :steamed:

OD Green Glock 19
06-01-2011, 23:28
It's sadly ironic that the system, to which she had dedicated her life, was the same system that **** on her in the end. Justice huh? I guess that's the thanks you get for a job well done. No good deed goes unpunished. She must have done a lot of good in her day to deserve such a reprehensible show of appreciation.

God Bless. Rest in Peace.

RetailNinja
06-01-2011, 23:29
Not sure on this but, because she died as a result of her injuries, could new charges be leveled? I imagine a civil suit is surely in the works...

MeefZah
06-02-2011, 00:41
RIP, sister.

Morris
06-02-2011, 00:42
She was #76. FBI agent was #77, both today.

There is serious injustice to the laws pertaining to DUI offenders in our nation, not only for cops but citizens as well.

Naelbis
06-02-2011, 01:01
Since she died from injuries sustained in the crash I believe that they can refile against the defendant. Not 100% sure but I really hope they go back after the driver and hammer him this time. 2.5 years is a joke even before she died.

Deployment Solu
06-02-2011, 04:08
RIP Sister. My prayers are with your family.

Our Criminal Justice system needs a large enema!! 2 1/2 years?? Drunk, driving 90+mph, causing that kind of harm to another human being???? Sickening.

Patchman
06-02-2011, 05:03
Unbelievable. DWI is a national scourge but some people still refuse to see the seriousness of it.

RIP. Condolences to his surviving daughter.

lethal tupperwa
06-02-2011, 06:38
vehicular homicide comes to mind

RussP
06-02-2011, 08:09
http://glocktalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=216873&stc=1&d=1307023651

volsbear
06-02-2011, 08:15
Yes, they can refile. Whatever the ****** was convicted of previously is a different charge. The prosecutor should be ashamed. I wonder what the max was???

Kadetklapp
06-02-2011, 08:18
Oh trust me, watching the "wheels of justice" grind to a halt and go to lunch resulting in a measly 11 month sentence for a dope-slinging mope who kills a 22 year police veteran is no fun. It happens everywhere, not just Massachusetts. One of the wonderful things about "juries" who almost never have a clue what they are doing. Sheeple, pure and simple.

volsbear
06-02-2011, 08:29
Juries don't sentence people. Judges sentence people. Or dumbass prosecutors allow inappropriate pleas.

DaBigBR
06-02-2011, 10:14
vehicular homicide comes to mind

Double jeopardy.

volsbear
06-02-2011, 10:23
Depends on what the initial conviction was for.

If it was for something like Agg DUI, you can still charge him for the death of the trooper. We've had cases in Illinois where someone's behavior resulted in great bodily harm and they took a conviction for it. The victim later died as a result of the injuries and they re-indicted.

Kadetklapp
06-02-2011, 10:42
Juries don't sentence people. Judges sentence people. Or dumbass prosecutors allow inappropriate pleas.

That's true, except juries hand out the convictions. Being charged with reckless homicide, and settling for a lesser charge of battery on a police officer didn't really leave the judge with any options. 11 months was the advisory sentence, 11 months was what he got. That being in the case of my father's death.

S. Kelly
06-02-2011, 21:23
I passed the crash sight shortly after it happened, on my way to a friends cottage with the family. We were shocked at the damage to the cruiser.

OldCurlyWolf
06-03-2011, 00:15
And all the bastard got was a measly 2 1/2 years.

Godspeed, Troop. Prayers tonight.

I don't know all of the exact charges that can be brought but now he can be charged with at least Manslaughter That is generally good for 15 years.

OldCurlyWolf
06-03-2011, 00:17
Double jeopardy.

Not if it is a separate charge. Like Agg Assault Vs. Manslaughter, murder, etc.

DaBigBR
06-03-2011, 01:28
Not if it is a separate charge. Like Agg Assault Vs. Manslaughter, murder, etc.

I can obviously only speak for my state. One of the elements of the appropriate vehicular manslaughter charge is operating the vehicle while intoxicated, so a conviction for something like OWI or Serious Injury by Vehicle for the same incident would very likely preclude a subsequent prosecution for the manslaughter offense.