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Snapper2
06-04-2011, 18:27
180gr HST(XM40HC)...1005fps....expanded to .860
165gr FTX.....1040fps.....expanded to .650
155gr TAP.....1095fps....expanded to .520 in wet pack/ no denim

I was pretty disappointed with the 155gr tap bullet as it over penetrated. Velocity on box says 1180. This bullet at this velocity really opens up and still penetrates.The critical defense was also off 100fps but still worked OK IMO. The Federal round is the only one that performed as advertised.

dkf
06-04-2011, 18:38
The TAP is an XTP bullet, I would expect it to get good penetration without expanding to a large diameter. Hornady lists the penetration at 11" into gel for the 155gr .40. Not much considering the .357sig in 147gr penetrated 20.5" and the 125gr 16" in the same gel. The HST is good ammo, hard to beat it. The FTX (CD) isn't my cup of tea, I'd rather carry either of the other two rounds.

Snapper2
06-04-2011, 18:53
The TAP is an XTP bullet, I would expect it to get good penetration without expanding to a large diameter. Hornady lists the penetration at 11" into gel. Not much considering the .357sig in 147gr penetrated 20.5" and the 125gr 16" in the same gel. The HST is good ammo, hard to beat it. The FTX (CD) isn't my cup of tea, I'd rather carry either of the other two rounds.

I wont be carrying these 155gr XTPs. 100fps off. These bullets open up at the advertised velocity or higher. 180gr XTPs might open up at these slower velocities(950fps) because of momentum, but the 155gr seem to need more than 1100 or they dont seem to expand in the 40sw and will over penetrate.

Ak.Hiker
06-04-2011, 23:03
I would not be so quick to write off the XTP load. Penetration is what they are know for. As well as accuracy and reliability. I would have to admit that the HST load sure looks like a good one though. What kind of penetration did they get with that much expansion?

outdoorsman44
06-05-2011, 03:44
Thanks for posting your results. Those XM40HC are some great rounds. I'd also be interested to see what the penetration of that round was.

Edmo01
06-05-2011, 06:50
I wonder how long their test barrel was...

Edmo

Snapper2
06-05-2011, 08:54
I would not be so quick to write off the XTP load. Penetration is what they are know for. As well as accuracy and reliability. I would have to admit that the HST load sure looks like a good one though. What kind of penetration did they get with that much expansion?

I guess I'm just use to loading this bullet in 10mm or 400cb and seeing> .725 expansion. Still 100fps off the supposed velocity aint right. I checked out a test on youtube in gel and the bullet performed the same as my test.(troutoutdoors?). I had a laundry basket full(foot-foot and a half) of completely soaked thick phone books.No measurements were taken on penetration but the HST was in the last phone.All most at the bottom. I plan on pulling the 155gr tap bullets and loading the nickel cases with 155gr gold dots and longshot. I know I can get 1170-1200fps with it. I tested 180gr TAP a few weeks ago and it did great.

Snapper2
06-05-2011, 09:51
Here is a picture of the HST. The lead pedals really flattened out to its max(.860 at widest point) while the jacket folded behind itself. And the 155gr tap round just sucked. LOL

Snapper2
06-05-2011, 10:50
I wonder how long their test barrel was...

Edmo

Maybe it isnt the length of the barrel, but the girth of the chamber making me lose velocity.:whistling:

fredj338
06-05-2011, 11:08
XTP have never been big on expansion, but they always expand some & penetrate deep. ENough so that I find you can drop a bullet wt per caliber & get sim penetration as the heavier bullets w/ some expansion. A 50cal+ hole is not a bad thing.

Snapper2
06-05-2011, 12:26
XTP have never been big on expansion, but they always expand some & penetrate deep. ENough so that I find you can drop a bullet wt per caliber & get sim penetration as the heavier bullets w/ some expansion. A 50cal+ hole is not a bad thing.

Maybe so Fred. I guess I'm just new to testing them at these velocities.I really think alot of the hornady bullets.Like I said I like the 180gr TAP's performance in a g23 and thats what I've been carrying. But it would seem the reason to go lighter would be to get more not less expansion without sacrificing much penetration(1-2"). And I know this bullet is capable of this at or above advertised velocities. Their just not doing 1180fps out of my gun. A 50cal hole is not a bad thing. But the test was without denim. If I pay premium dollar I expect the product to do at least close to advertised. I bought them to possibly use as a home defense round that wouldnt over penetrate. I'll just stick with the 180gr xtp which is accurate for me. Or maybe stack a few rounds of HST or FTX on top of them.

dkf
06-05-2011, 16:34
You pay a good bit less money for 50 rounds of HSTs than for 50 rounds of the others. I only carry what I can get in 50 round boxes. Cost vs performance its hard to beat the HSTs.

Snapper2
06-05-2011, 16:58
You pay a good bit less money for 50 rounds of HSTs than for 50 rounds of the others. I only carry what I can get in 50 round boxes. Cost vs performance its hard to beat the HSTs.

I agree. Even the 135gr and 155gr HST arent too shabby. These bullets are at the top in design IMO. I'm just more accurate with the 180gr Tap and its easier to find locally.

WarEagle32
06-11-2011, 03:04
The TAP is an XTP bullet, I would expect it to get good penetration without expanding to a large diameter. Hornady lists the penetration at 11" into gel for the 155gr .40. Not much considering the .357sig in 147gr penetrated 20.5" and the 125gr 16" in the same gel. The HST is good ammo, hard to beat it. The FTX (CD) isn't my cup of tea, I'd rather carry either of the other two rounds.

+1 on that. I love hornady's rifle ammo but there pistol ammo doesn't impress me. I am a real Corbon DPX Copper man however, HST's are right behind them to me and hard to beat.

bac1023
06-15-2011, 20:39
Thanks for the info.

Tiro Fijo
06-15-2011, 22:02
I agree. Even the 135gr and 155gr HST arent too shabby. These bullets are at the top in design IMO. I'm just more accurate with the 180gr Tap and its easier to find locally.


There is no need to fire lots of a CCW round IMO. Just enough to ensure reliability and verify POA. After that find a cheap target round or reload to get the same POA & practice.

FWIW, if you switch to an all copper bullet you can forget about all that antiquated "weight vs. penetration" argument as it is not a real factor with all copper bullets. They always penetrate and I've never seen one that didn't open up.

off road
06-15-2011, 22:15
180gr HST(XM40HC)...1005fps....expanded to .860
165gr FTX.....1040fps.....expanded to .650
155gr TAP.....1095fps....expanded to .520 in wet pack/ no denim

You state 'wet pack' for the TAP....what material did you use to test the others???

Wet pack has no relationship whatsoever to anything found on a human body. It is the poor man's test media and might be fun in some ways, but it is an absolute waste of your time and ours as a realistic test of real bullet performance.

Ak.Hiker
06-15-2011, 23:59
Bullet testing in wet pack, water, gel, stumps, fresh bones etc is never a waste of time as far as I am concerned. I enjoy the shared information on GT. I sure have a better idea as to what loads I prefer to carry when out in the woods from some of my personal testing and the testing of others with quite a lot more experience than myself. I even figured out why quite a few of the older guys prefer hardball in the 45 acp after seeing what it can do on fresh heavy moose bones.

Snapper2
06-16-2011, 17:44
You state 'wet pack' for the TAP....what material did you use to test the others???

Wet pack has no relationship whatsoever to anything found on a human body. It is the poor man's test media and might be fun in some ways, but it is an absolute waste of your time and ours as a realistic test of real bullet performance.

My confession...to the people around the world I'm sorry for wasting your time and mine.:whistling: but I am just a po man from a po family. So please spare me. I confess I didnt wanna shoot a human body anyhow. But if some "wet pack" comes around here it better watch out.:supergrin: Yes they were all fired into a wet pack, sorry.

Snapper2
06-16-2011, 17:54
There is no need to fire lots of a CCW round IMO. Just enough to ensure reliability and verify POA. After that find a cheap target round or reload to get the same POA & practice.

FWIW, if you switch to an all copper bullet you can forget about all that antiquated "weight vs. penetration" argument as it is not a real factor with all copper bullets. They always penetrate and I've never seen one that didn't open up.

Not doubting its an excellent bullet(Barnes), but why dont the police use them more?

Tiro Fijo
06-16-2011, 19:05
Not doubting its an excellent bullet(Barnes), but why dont the police use them more?


Because cheap they ain't, i.e., MONEY.

Snapper2
06-16-2011, 19:17
Because cheap they ain't, i.e., MONEY.

I would use them without a problem. Not too sure about the true velocity you would get from them in 40sw though.

voyager4520
06-16-2011, 19:21
165gr FTX.....1040fps.....expanded to .650

That's the Hornady Critical Defense 165gr? Wow that velocity is like 100fps below advertised. I figured it was too good to be true.

Snapper2
06-16-2011, 19:31
That's the Hornady Critical Defense 165gr? Wow that velocity is like 100fps below advertised. I figured it was too good to be true.

Yeah I know, I only checked two. But thats what the ProChrono read out of my gun. Theres a site on youtube where they did get close to the 1175fps range so maybe its just my barrel. Maybe they do better in a g22? It did perform all right IMO.(unscientifically)

Tiro Fijo
06-16-2011, 20:45
I would use them without a problem. Not too sure about the true velocity you would get from them in 40sw though.


Although I don't own (nor like) a .40 S&W, I have personally had excellent results with DT ammo. I have read where some have had inconsistent velocities but everything I have bought from them has been great and the fps were as advertised or very close.

The sell a 140gr. Barnes TAC-XP (solid copper HP) that they advertise at 1240 fps in a G23. :wow:

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_26&products_id=389

Snapper2
06-16-2011, 21:22
Although I don't own (nor like) a .40 S&W, I have personally had excellent results with DT ammo. I have read where some have had inconsistent velocities but everything I have bought from them has been great and the fps were as advertised or very close.

The sell a 140gr. Barnes TAC-XP (solid copper HP) that they advertise at 1240 fps in a G23. :wow:

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_26&products_id=389

Now thats a spicey meatball:steamed: That would be very hard to duplicate unless I guess you had the right powder. I have a g30 with a 400corbon barrel that I've loaded the 140grs barnes to 1300fps and its a hand cannon. I think DT also now loads a 125gr barnes bullet too.

Snapper2
06-19-2011, 12:41
Well I thought that the 155gr XTP might do better if it at least reached its advertised velocity(1180fps). So I handloaded a round to 1200fps and got a better expanded bullet(a jump from .520 to .650) and it still out penetrated a winchester 180gr bonded bullet(q4369) by 1/8" in the wet pack. The xtp did lose 15gr. The 180gr bonded hollowpoint is on the right in the below pic. I did not chrono the Q4369 bullet but its advertised at 990fps.

Bill Star
06-19-2011, 20:43
XTP have never been big on expansion, but they always expand some & penetrate deep. ENough so that I find you can drop a bullet wt per caliber & get sim penetration as the heavier bullets w/ some expansion. A 50cal+ hole is not a bad thing.[/QUOTE]

Horady XTP has never had more than modest expansion, never.

Penetrates like hardball opens up very modestly. Guy's that like

to shoot hardball for defense (.45 acp) generally like Hornady XTP

JHP. They get great penetration with some expansion. I will admit

penetration is a must. How much penetration is very subjective.

I have used a bucketfull of Horady high powered rifle bullets on

big game and they have worked excellent. So maybe their XTP

handgun bullets work well also. I just think I need more expansion.