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Fedor
06-08-2011, 19:25
Thanks to some hail damage I now have $2,000 to put toward something, but what?
I'm close to Ed Brown territory, but I dont know if I want to sink that much into one pistol.
Now I'm really going to drive myself nuts. :crazy:

Hokie1911
06-08-2011, 19:29
Depends on what you want it for. LB TRS is a hell of a nice gun and can be had for $1,800ish or less. Not sure what CJ has them for right now.

Rimcrew
06-08-2011, 19:30
Good call Hokie!

Give CJ a shout and see what he can do for you. You can pick up a nice Baer and have ammo money left...

BTW - I'm pretty sure CJ can get you into a Brown for under $2K, should you decide to go that route.

Quack
06-08-2011, 19:35
i'll sell you this for a little over $2k :whistling:

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004737085_Vg5qH-L.jpg

Fedor
06-08-2011, 19:46
I dont really like the look of the LB's.

Clue me in on CJ ??

Quack
06-08-2011, 19:48
www.cj1911heaven.com

Rimcrew
06-08-2011, 19:49
I dont really like the look of the LB's.

Clue me in on CJ ??

http://cj1911heaven.com/ 208-772-2339

It's best to call him, as the website is pretty basic. You will NOT find a lower price on a Brown, and he is a great guy to deal with!

Ruggles
06-08-2011, 19:50
I take it you are going to live with the hail damage? :)

For $2000 I would go with a Brown 5", either the Kobra or the SF whichever one you like better as they are the same gun underneath. You can get either for $2000 online :)

George can set you up with a Brown for a great price as well, I think there is somebody who hangs out around here that might be able to set you up as well :)

Or George can set you up with his 1 year layaway and you can put the $2000 towards anything you can think of from Wilson, Nighthawk and Brown. Nothing like building your dream gun from all the choices that they offer.

38 Super Fan
06-08-2011, 19:50
http://cj1911heaven.com/ 208-772-2339

It's best to call him, as the website is pretty basic. You will NOT find a lower price on a Brown, and he is a great guy to deal with!
Indeed. :cool:

midliferally
06-08-2011, 19:52
How about a Valor and some ammo? If it was me that's what I would do. Regards.

Cobra64
06-08-2011, 19:59
Thanks to some hail damage I now have $2,000 to put toward something, but what?
I'm close to Ed Brown territory, but I dont know if I want to sink that much into one pistol.
Now I'm really going to drive myself nuts. :crazy:

Hokie will sell ya his KC for $1,899.00 plus S&H. :rofl:


BTW, can I have about $2,800 worth of hail for my new Les Baer Monolith? :supergrin:

Fedor
06-08-2011, 20:03
Hokie will sell ya his KC for $1,899.00 plus S&H. :rofl:


If I spend that much for a 1911 it's going to be Brand New.

Cobra64
06-08-2011, 20:06
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004737085_Vg5qH-L.jpg

Don't do that, dammit!

bac1023
06-08-2011, 20:09
BTW, can I have about $2,800 worth of hail for my new Les Baer Monolith? :supergrin:

:rofl:

Fedor
06-08-2011, 20:10
i'll sell you this for a little over $2k :whistling:

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004737085_Vg5qH-L.jpg

Don't do that, dammit!

Dont worry, I think that flat trigger looks horrendous. :wow:

Hokie1911
06-08-2011, 20:13
Hokie will sell ya his KC for $1,899.00 plus S&H.

Shipping would be like $200. :supergrin:

CMG
06-09-2011, 00:01
Ed Brown was my choice, and I have no complaints.

hokie's has had some back-seat 'smithing, so that would lower the price, I think. Offer him $1500 cash and a bar of soap!

:supergrin:

Fedor
06-09-2011, 04:59
I've always wanted an HK45, so about half of the money might go there.

polizei1
06-09-2011, 05:15
www.harrisoncutsom.com

You could do a retro carry build, or if you already have a base gun, you could step it up to the custom carry. Or just add whatever you want and go that route!

drc767
06-09-2011, 05:20
www.harrisoncutsom.com

You could do a retro carry build, or if you already have a base gun, you could step it up to the custom carry. Or just add whatever you want and go that route!

Except you better be prepared to wait. I exchanged emails with John yesterday.....he has a 4 year wait list for full builds!!

polizei1
06-09-2011, 05:38
Dang that sucks! I heard that on TOS about 2 months ago, so I guess you know it's true! Did you ask if he's accepting work at all? I feel extremely lucky!

faawrenchbndr
06-09-2011, 06:33
What to do ?

Fix the hail damage? :dunno:

Quack
06-09-2011, 06:39
Fix the hail damage? :dunno:

or use a towel and ball peen hammer to make more "hail damage" and get more $ for a reloader to go along with the 1911.:whistling:

BuckyP
06-09-2011, 06:50
or use a towel and ball peen hammer to make more "hail damage" and get more $ for a reloader to go along with the 1911.:whistling:

:rofl::rofl:

Quack
06-09-2011, 07:02
Ed Brown was my choice, and I have no complaints.

hokie's has had some back-seat 'smithing, so that would lower the price, I think. Offer him $1500 cash and a bar of soap!

:supergrin:

It was the front seat.

CMG
06-09-2011, 07:34
It was the front seat.

:rofl:

Hokie1911
06-09-2011, 07:40
It was the front seat.

We had more room in the Odyssey last time. The Civic is a little cramped.

Fedor
06-09-2011, 16:47
I might have found my baby, my LGS has a brand new Springfield Loaded Operator OD/Frame, Blackslide. The trigger is pure butter.:supergrin:
With my LE discount I can get it for $1,040.00, is that a decent price.
I would appreciate feedback from you 1911 experts.

Cobra64
06-09-2011, 17:00
I might have found my baby, my LGS has a brand new Springfield Loaded Operator OD/Frame, Blackslide. The trigger is pure butter.:supergrin:
With my LE discount I can get it for $1,040.00, is that a decent price.
I would appreciate feedback from you 1911 experts.

Bac and Quack will chime in soon for a different approach and alternatives for ya for about the same amount of money. :)

Fedor
06-09-2011, 17:35
1911 choices are limited in my part of the country.

Hokie1911
06-09-2011, 17:42
Gunbroker is your friend. Make sweet love to it.

Cobra64
06-09-2011, 18:19
1911 choices are limited in my part of the country.

Go down the street to Dan Wesson. :cool:

Fedor
06-09-2011, 18:25
If the Springfield is still there tomorrow I am probably going to bring it home.
They also had a Mil Spec, but it doesnt compare with the Loaded Operator.

Fedor
06-09-2011, 18:26
Go down the street to Dan Wesson. :cool:

My Son has a C Bob that is very nice.

glock2740
06-09-2011, 18:29
http://cj1911heaven.com/ 208-772-2339

It's best to call him, as the website is pretty basic. You will NOT find a lower price on a Brown, and he is a great guy to deal with!

I take it you are going to live with the hail damage? :)

For $2000 I would go with a Brown 5", either the Kobra or the SF whichever one you like better as they are the same gun underneath. You can get either for $2000 online :)

George can set you up with a Brown for a great price as well, I think there is somebody who hangs out around here that might be able to set you up as well :)

Or George can set you up with his 1 year layaway and you can put the $2000 towards anything you can think of from Wilson, Nighthawk and Brown. Nothing like building your dream gun from all the choices that they offer.
Both are great answers. Can't go wrong either way. CJ is the hookup for a LB or Eb and George could get you just about anything you wanted and with $2000 down, you'd have a year to pay for it AFTER the gun was in George's hands. So you could add 3-6 months to that year in the overall scheme of things. For someone looking to own one truly awesome 1911, George's plan is a huge help.

Cobra64
06-09-2011, 18:36
My Son has a C Bob that is very nice.

The CBOB is a beautiful 1911!

If you want a full size, DW makes a VBOB now; in raw stainless or black.

thecableguy
06-09-2011, 18:51
Both are great answers. Can't go wrong either way. CJ is the hookup for a LB or Eb and George could get you just about anything you wanted and with $2000 down, you'd have a year to pay for it AFTER the gun was in George's hands. So you could add 3-6 months to that year in the overall scheme of things. For someone looking to own one truly awesome 1911, George's plan is a huge help.

Now if we can get Dave to offer the same plan.:whistling: :supergrin:

thecableguy
06-09-2011, 18:53
Now if we can get Dave to offer the same plan.:whistling: :supergrin:

$2000?
With George I thought it was only $100. I know for WC and EB that is all he requires.

Fedor
06-09-2011, 18:56
Both are great answers. Can't go wrong either way. CJ is the hookup for a LB or Eb and George could get you just about anything you wanted and with $2000 down, you'd have a year to pay for it AFTER the gun was in George's hands. So you could add 3-6 months to that year in the overall scheme of things. For someone looking to own one truly awesome 1911, George's plan is a huge help.

Thanks, but I've decided that I'm not going to pay 2 grand for a 1911.

Hokie1911
06-09-2011, 18:59
$2000?
With George I thought it was only $100. I know for WC and EB that is all he requires.

$100 down on WC and Brown. Baer is 30% and SACS is 50% down. 12 months same as cash on all.

HotRoderX
06-09-2011, 19:02
If it was my money I get a Springfield 1911 GI and a Ruger SR1911.

Cobra64
06-09-2011, 19:07
Now if we can get Dave to offer the same plan.:whistling: :supergrin:

Who are Dave, George and CJ?


These guys?

http://mimg.ugo.com/200903/21992/three-amigos.jpg

thecableguy
06-09-2011, 19:11
Who are Dave, George and CJ?


These guys?

http://mimg.ugo.com/200903/21992/three-amigos.jpg

That be them. :rofl:

Quack
06-09-2011, 19:18
I might have found my baby, my LGS has a brand new Springfield Loaded Operator OD/Frame, Blackslide. The trigger is pure butter.:supergrin:
With my LE discount I can get it for $1,040.00, is that a decent price.
I would appreciate feedback from you 1911 experts.

that's a MC Operator. they are pretty nice. around here i've seen them for $1049-$1149 for us normal folks.

BTW, there's a shop in Cali that has the MC Op available in black for LEO's (probably not in stock right now). The Long Beach PD uses them ;)

Quack
06-09-2011, 19:19
If the Springfield is still there tomorrow I am probably going to bring it home.
They also had a Mil Spec, but it doesnt compare with the Loaded Operator.

get the MC Op, you'll be happy with it :)

Fedor
06-09-2011, 19:32
get the MC Op, you'll be happy with it :)

It looks very nice, and there are some very good reviews on it.
Hopefully it is still there when I go back at lunch time tomorrow.

Fedor
06-09-2011, 21:28
get the MC Op, you'll be happy with it :)


Well... I asked bac's input and he said that he "has never liked it, not impressed"

I'm sure it's superior to the Asian jobs.

Quack
06-09-2011, 21:30
he doesn't like railed 1911's

Hokie1911
06-09-2011, 21:31
Well... I asked bac's input and he said that he "has never liked it, not impressed"

I'm sure it's superior to the Asian jobs.

As Brian's knowledge and collection is vast, it is ultimately your choice as it's your dime. He also doesn't buy a 1911 shorter than 4", railed, or in a caliber other than .45acp. That eliminates a lot of nice guns. It's your gun, get what you want.

glock2740
06-09-2011, 21:48
Now if we can get Dave to offer the same plan.:whistling: :supergrin:
Good luck with that. :rofl:

Fedor
06-09-2011, 21:59
I'm going to sleep on it, but I might just say the hell with 1911's.

Ruggles
06-09-2011, 22:21
I'm going to sleep on it, but I might just say the hell with 1911's.

More for the rest of us :tongueout:

Go ahead walk away from the 1911 table......you will be back :rofl:

Cobra64
06-09-2011, 23:57
I'm going to sleep on it, but I might just say the hell with 1911's.


:dunno:

Markasaurus
06-10-2011, 00:55
Precious metals, of course. half on ammo, half on silver!

Fedor
06-10-2011, 05:14
After sleeping on it... :dunno:

faawrenchbndr
06-10-2011, 06:03
he doesn't like railed 1911's

He doesn't care for the Loaded Springers either.

Quack
06-10-2011, 06:45
the MC Op build quality is on part with the TRP/RO's, so what's not to like?

the last 3 that were at the last gun show were fit as nice as the TRP and RO's.

knedrgr
06-10-2011, 07:15
the MC Op build quality is on part with the TRP/RO's, so what's not to like?

the last 3 that were at the last gun show were fit as nice as the TRP and RO's.

+1 on this.

thatguybryan
06-10-2011, 12:22
the MC Op build quality is on part with the TRP/RO's, so what's not to like?

the last 3 that were at the last gun show were fit as nice as the TRP and RO's.

They may be similar in "fit", but the MC Operator is less accurate than a TRP. Probably just as accurate as an RO.

Quack
06-10-2011, 13:25
They may be similar in "fit", but the MC Operator is less accurate than a TRP. Probably just as accurate as an RO.

is that a fact, or are you going by quotes?

fit influences accuracy.

thatguybryan
06-10-2011, 14:34
is that a fact, or are you going by quotes?

fit influences accuracy.

it may not be first-hand experience fact about the MC Operator, but essentially what you are saying is the Loaded model/MC Operator accuracy= TRP accuracy. Maybe in my hands, yes. Even if the test is done on a ransom rest, according to springfield there is a difference in accuracy. at the end of the day, most people will probably not be able to notice shooting off-hand. however, the difference is still there.

i guess i should ask just out of curiosity, what "fit" are you talking about exactly? slide to frame? barrel bushing? barrel lock up?

Quack
06-10-2011, 14:40
it may not be first-hand experience fact about the MC Operator, but essentially what you are saying is the Loaded model/MC Operator accuracy= TRP accuracy. Maybe in my hands, yes. Even if the test is done on a ransom rest, according to springfield there is a difference in accuracy. at the end of the day, most people will probably not be able to notice shooting off-hand. however, the difference is still there.

i guess i should ask just out of curiosity, what "fit" are you talking about exactly? slide to frame? barrel bushing? barrel lock up?

the MC Op's aren't fit like the Loaded line.
they have a better frame/slide fit and better (bushing/lock-up) barrel fit.
the MC Op is fit as well as the RO and TRP's. The Loaded fit is all over the map. some are fit nicely, while other's (like my 9mm Loaded Target) are loose. I fit a new barrel bushing and tightened the frame/slide fit, which greatly improved accuracy.

thatguybryan
06-10-2011, 15:25
the MC Op's aren't fit like the Loaded line.
they have a better frame/slide fit and better (bushing/lock-up) barrel fit.
the MC Op is fit as well as the RO and TRP's. The Loaded fit is all over the map. some are fit nicely, while other's (like my 9mm Loaded Target) are loose. I fit a new barrel bushing and tightened the frame/slide fit, which greatly improved accuracy.

Ahh, I get what you're saying. You're talking more about the N/NM serial numbers and the "made in brazil" issues. I see. That makes sense. I think the main difference in accuracy with your gun was probably the barrel bushing.

In fact, I think the match-grade bushing that the TRP has accounts for the difference in accuracy between it and the MC Operator, but it might be a different barrel in the TRP also.

btw, whoever makes your triggers forgot to curve them.

denn1911
06-10-2011, 15:43
Buy that 1911, you won't regret it. And the MC Operator is a nice choice.

Quack
06-10-2011, 15:57
Ahh, I get what you're saying. You're talking more about the N/NM serial numbers and the "made in brazil" issues. I see. That makes sense. I think the main difference in accuracy with your gun was probably the barrel bushing.

In fact, I think the match-grade bushing that the TRP has accounts for the difference in accuracy between it and the MC Operator, but it might be a different barrel in the TRP also.

btw, whoever makes your triggers forgot to curve them.

uhhh...no, my Loaded is a NM and still isn't fit as well as the MC Op.

knedrgr
06-10-2011, 18:54
They may be similar in "fit", but the MC Operator is less accurate than a TRP. Probably just as accurate as an RO.

it may not be first-hand experience fact about the MC Operator, but essentially what you are saying is the Loaded model/MC Operator accuracy= TRP accuracy. Maybe in my hands, yes. Even if the test is done on a ransom rest, according to springfield there is a difference in accuracy. at the end of the day, most people will probably not be able to notice shooting off-hand. however, the difference is still there.

i guess i should ask just out of curiosity, what "fit" are you talking about exactly? slide to frame? barrel bushing? barrel lock up?

Ahh, I get what you're saying. You're talking more about the N/NM serial numbers and the "made in brazil" issues. I see. That makes sense. I think the main difference in accuracy with your gun was probably the barrel bushing.

In fact, I think the match-grade bushing that the TRP has accounts for the difference in accuracy between it and the MC Operator, but it might be a different barrel in the TRP also.

btw, whoever makes your triggers forgot to curve them.


If you don't have first hand experience, then why the hell are you passing on information of what you "think" about the MC Operator? :upeyes:

And if you think that a barrel bushing makes up for the accuracy on a 1911, then think again.

Fedor
06-10-2011, 19:12
Buy that 1911, you won't regret it. And the MC Operator is a nice choice.

I did, and it is very sweet...


http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1348844

thatguybryan
06-11-2011, 00:47
If you don't have first hand experience, then why the hell are you passing on information of what you "think" about the MC Operator? :upeyes:

And if you think that a barrel bushing makes up for the accuracy on a 1911, then think again.

I have first hand experience shooting a TRP and a LW loaded.

Most people would agree that the barrel, barrel lockup, and barrel bushing are where the 1911 will get most of its accuracy from. Does slide to frame fit contribute? Sure it does. But not as much as a good barrel with good fitting and a well fitted barrel bushing.

And I didn't say it was for sure all the barrel bushing, I said it could be a different barrel in the TRP also vs. the MC Operator that makes the quoted accuracy different.

If you are talking about Quack's gun, well hell, maybe I'm wrong. But I find it very hard to believe that a slide to frame fit would make a 1911 shoot better than a well fitted barrel bushing (on a gun that previously had a lesser bushing).

The MC Operator is a great gun, and in fact, it is on my list of guns to purchase one day.

And I don't understand why you are trying to call me out because you think I attacked Quack or something, because in my thread you were (and still are) all over the place with your opinions about the MC Operator. For example, in my thread you stated and I quote:

"The MC Operator is a loaded with a rail"

Now, you are saying it is on-par with a TRP.

I don't claim to be a 1911 expert at all, but I think I know a good bit of information about them. Owning expensive 1911's does not mean you know everything. And yes, I am aware you built your own.

You guys have been very helpful in the past with questions I had and I appreciate it, but I think the MC Operator is closer to the Loaded based off of what it has and the pricetag, and the fact that Springfield believes there is enough of a difference to quote a 1" less 25yd group guarantee.

Congrats to Ferod on your purchase. It looks very nice.