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outback45
06-09-2011, 06:18
Someone mentioned this to me when I was looking for brand recommendations. He suggested that with 4" barrels you could sometimes end up with a dud. Is this a real phenomenon, and if so, what is the mechanical reason for it if known? I'd much prefer the smaller profile for CCW, but not if the 5" is more reliable. Thanks.

faawrenchbndr
06-09-2011, 06:32
The further you stray from a 5" 1911l & do not use ball ammo, the less reliable it can become.

BuckyP
06-09-2011, 06:44
Someone mentioned this to me when I was looking for brand recommendations. He suggested that with 4" barrels you could sometimes end up with a dud. Is this a real phenomenon, and if so, what is the mechanical reason for it if known? I'd much prefer the smaller profile for CCW, but not if the 5" is more reliable. Thanks.

One of the limiting factors in shortening a 1911 is the locking mechanism. By having the locking lugs forward of the chamber, you are limited to how far back the slide can travel. Compare that to a GLOCK, whereas the lockup is at the chamber, the slide can have more movement on an equal length barrel when compared to a 1911.

That being said, there are reliable 4" and even 3" guns out there. Personally, I like to stick to commander length (4.25") or longer. For concealment, you could consider a commander length slide with an officers size grip, since the grip is typically the part that prints the most. :dunno:

outback45
06-09-2011, 07:34
I see. Thank you for the explanation. I wouldn't have a problem going 4.25.

MD357
06-09-2011, 07:51
If the 4" gun is properly spec'ed out then there should be no problems. See Les Baer on how NOT to do this.

Hokie1911
06-09-2011, 07:53
If the 4" gun is properly spec'ed out then there should be no problems. See Les Baer on how NOT to do this.

Was waiting for this comment. :rofl:

faawrenchbndr
06-09-2011, 07:59
Was waiting for this comment. :rofl:

But he DOES have a very good point! :tongueout:

Hokie1911
06-09-2011, 08:08
But he DOES have a very good point! :tongueout:

Didn't say I disagree. :eric:

I personally wouldn't buy anything less than a 5" Baer. That's just me. Others have had good luck with theirs.

Nickpisp
06-09-2011, 08:34
If the 4" gun is properly spec'ed out then there should be no problems. See Les Baer on how NOT to do this.



I heard on the interweb that Baer no longer makes 4" slingshots, is this true?







http://www.faqs.org/photo-dict/photofiles/list/4183/5589slingshot.jpg

outback45
06-09-2011, 08:54
Was waiting for this comment. :rofl:

I see. If you don't think Baer makes great sub-sized 1911's. Then who in your opinion does? Duh, I end up editing my posts a million times. You have an Ed Brown Kobra Carry.

thecableguy
06-09-2011, 08:55
Is it wrong that regardless of everything I have read about Baers I still want a Stinger and maybe a Mono Commanche?

thecableguy
06-09-2011, 08:57
Could you explain what you mean by this comment?

Baers' with less than 5" slides are known to have problems. Anytime someone asks about smaller guns someone will bring it up.

And since you edited your post= Just about every other manufacturer.:rofl:

INJoker
06-09-2011, 09:00
What about an STI Ranger II?

Hokie1911
06-09-2011, 09:02
I see. If you don't think Baer makes great sub-sized 1911's. Then who in your opinion does?

Was waiting for it because I know that MD is a dik. We can smell our own kind. :supergrin:

You will get a lot of differing opinions on this. Me personally, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a 5" Baer. Do I have any experience with Baer at all...no. Just one man's opinion based on what I've read and heard from people who's opinions that I respect.

For a 4.25" gun, and again...my opinion only, among the semi-custom builders, I would choose Brown or Wilson first, or perhaps a Guncrafter.

G27RR
06-09-2011, 09:03
I have and would recommend any of these sub 5" 1911s...

STI Shadow .45, 3" (my everyday carry)
STI Escort .45, 3"
STI Ranger II .45, 4.15"
STI Ranger II 9mm, 4.15"
Colt Defender .45, 3" (but having both I'd go STI over the Colt because it is put together a little better and has more features at a similar price point)

I had and would not recommend this one due to poor reliability, even after a factory service. It also had a poor finish.
Kimber Super Carry Pro .45, 4"

Hokie1911
06-09-2011, 09:04
What about an STI Ranger II?

There isn't another 4.25" that I would choose at $1k or less than the Ranger2. Great gun.

glock2740
06-09-2011, 09:37
Was waiting for this comment. :rofl:
I'd love to see Les' response.

Hokie1911
06-09-2011, 09:44
I'd love to see Les' response.

It would go something like this...

"You little piece of sh1t. You said WHAT about my gun???"

http://www.deathvalleymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Kicked-in-the-Nads.jpg

cole
06-09-2011, 11:51
The further you stray from a 5" 1911l & do not use ball ammo, the less reliable it can become.

This. Less slide mass and shorter slide travel allow less margin for error. I have a 4" Kimber Series I that runs great. And, I believe bushingless is the way to go 4" and under. I'd be wary of a 3" regardless of other reports and think dropping 1" in the barrel for CCW is not as important as reducing the grip. Plus, I want my guns to be shooters and a 3" .45acp with an aluminum frame ain't it. For a true shooter nice, tight 5" with a bushing all the way. For greater reliability, a nice, somewhat tight 5" with a bushing.

outback45
06-09-2011, 15:43
Thanks for all the info. This is helpful to me. I don't know if I can pull off a full-size. But I have more knowledge to go on now.

outcast1911
06-09-2011, 16:20
Most of the "commanderish" pistols(4"-4.25") still use the full size frame, so if you can conceal one of those a 5" gun isn't any harder.

Ruggles
06-09-2011, 17:37
Most of the "commanderish" pistols(4"-4.25") still use the full size frame, so if you can conceal one of those a 5" gun isn't any harder.

I don't know about that, I find my 4 1/4 carries easier than my 5". Maybe I am odd shaped :dunno: now my 4" carries much better but it has a shorter frame as well.

I do agree a 5" is doable but it can be a little uncomfy. Now look what I just opened myself upto with that comment :tongueout:

thecableguy
06-09-2011, 18:08
I do agree a 5" is doable but it can be a little uncomfy. Now look what I just opened myself upto with that comment :tongueout:

Ummm Yeah. Wrong forum for that.:tongueout::rofl:

Ruggles
06-09-2011, 18:13
Ummm Yeah. Wrong forum for that.:tongueout::rofl:

Now if I said a 5" was fine but a 10" was uncomfy, now that would be improper :tongueout:

Nickpisp
06-09-2011, 18:17
Now if I said a 5" was fine but a 10" was uncomfy, now that would be improper :tongueout:

Width or length? :rofl::rofl:

Ruggles
06-09-2011, 18:24
Width or length? :rofl::rofl:

Well if I had to choose I would opt for length, width and 10" just sounds........well wrong :rofl:

mrsurfboard
06-09-2011, 18:43
Most of the "commanderish" pistols(4"-4.25") still use the full size frame, so if you can conceal one of those a 5" gun isn't any harder.

But it is heavier.

HAIL CAESAR
06-10-2011, 18:05
If the 4" gun is properly spec'ed out then there should be no problems. You just have to be VERY diligent about spring replacement. See Les Baer on how NOT to do this.

:rofl::rofl:

I agree what was said and added to his statement what else I has to say.

:wavey:

custom2
06-11-2011, 10:50
Was waiting for it because I know that MD is a dik. We can smell our own kind. :supergrin:


That may be a little harsh. I would say that he is just misunderstood.:rofl:

Seriously, MD357 is one of my favorite forum members. Lets just say, he never minces words.

Back on topic. I don't think 4 inch guns are inherently less reliable. I can't say the same for sub 4 inch guns though.

Hokie1911
06-11-2011, 10:51
That may be a little harsh. I would say that he is just misunderstood.:rofl:

Seriously, MD357 is one of my favorite forum members. Lets just say, he never minces words.

Back on topic. I don't think 4 inch guns are inherently less reliable. I can't say the same for sub 4 inch guns though.

No.....he's pretty muc a dik. Trust me, I would know. :rofl:

tango44
06-11-2011, 13:31
Never had problem with my Commanders!