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INJoker
06-10-2011, 12:16
Gents,

I've been trolling... er... reading this forum for quite some time.

I've got a fund set up to buy a nice full-size 1911 in .45 ACP to keep forever, and I've already got that option narrowed down to just a few choices... So I'm all set for that purchase.

The "1911 in 9mm" thread got me thinking that I would also like a smaller 1911 for carry, perhaps in 9mm. The only reason I am thinking 9mm is that I shoot far more 9mm than any other handgun ammunition and since this will be a carry gun, I will want to be able to train with it... a lot. Basically, if I go this route, I'm going to need a workhorse of a gun.

I don't want to go really small, especially in 9mm, so an EMP or similar is really not up my alley. I'm looking at 4-4.5" barrels and slightly shorter grip.

I've been looking mostly at an STI Ranger II, but I find myself asking, "Shouldn't I just stick with a Commander .45?"

What do you guys think? I'm just looking for top-of-the-head opinions.

Thanks in advance!

mrsurfboard
06-10-2011, 12:20
I've never shot a 9mm 1911, but it's hard to argue the price advantage between 9mm and .45ACP if you plan on shooting it a lot.

faawrenchbndr
06-10-2011, 12:21
I looked into exactly what you are thinking a while back, the STI was my first choice.
After shooting a 5" 1911 in 9mm, & a friend's Ranger II.......the EMP was my choice.

Many people will not bat an eye about carrying a Glock 26.
Why are you dismissing the EMP?

polizei1
06-10-2011, 12:26
DW Guardian CCO?

BuckyP
06-10-2011, 12:41
Just taken from my experience, I wouldn't want to rely on a 9mm 1911 for defense. I am talking full framed 1911s, so I wouldn't group the EMP in there (of which I have little experience). First of all, just look at the way the rounds stack in the magazine. The 9mm being a tapered case, doesn't allow the rounds to lay parallel to one another like the straight walled cases (.45, .40, 10mm, .38 super). Lots of movement between the rounds, too easy to nose dive. Springfield / Metalform even designed a magazine to "catch" the nose dive and ramp the round back up to where is belongs. Then there is the issue of having magazines with spacers in them. :upeyes:

That being said, lots of people have had success with them. :dunno: YMMV.

Hokie1911
06-10-2011, 12:52
I'd look at these...

STI Ranger2 - $1,000
SA EMP- $1,100
DW Guardian - $1,300

Unless you want to go for the gusto and have Wilson make you something special in 9mm, which will start around $2,400ish (unless you go SpecOps9 - $1,900).

G27RR
06-10-2011, 13:05
I have both a 9mm and a .45 STI Ranger II, and recommend either of them.

I prefer to stick with .45 for carry, especially since the capacity difference isn't much in a 1911. I wouldn't be completely uncomfortable carrying the 9mm with good JHP, though, and it's very soft shooting out of an all steel 1911.

All that said, I'd rather shoot a little less often and have the .45 though, as long as you can at least get some time at the range in each month. A .22 conversion kit could help get even more time behind the same trigger you carry. On the other hand, you said you want to shoot a lot and you may not like the conversion idea, in which case maybe you should go 9mm or get into reloading.

If you get a 9mm, the Wilson ETM mags perform well for me.

You might also look at the STI Guardian, which has an officer frame with a 3.9" barrel.

Quack
06-10-2011, 13:09
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004748393_vcNh2-L-2.jpg

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1009301811_fyEgU-L.jpg

Three-Five-Seven
06-10-2011, 14:01
Get a 5 inch, unmodified 1911. It is versatile and can be used in many games that you might be attracted to as you "keep it for life." Any other configuration, or significant modifications, might keep you out of some of the emerging games that use 1911s.

Stick with your plan, get a full-size, .45 caliber 1911.

Then, if you want a good 9mm carry gun, GET A GLOCK.

knedrgr
06-10-2011, 14:05
DW Guardian CCO?

Way to mix it up jackweed, those are two different guns.

DW Guardian is full frame aluminum w/ 4.25 slide.
DW CCO is officer frame aluminum w/ 4.25 slide.

just in 2011, the Guardian is available in both 9mm and 45ACP.

polizei1
06-10-2011, 14:10
Yea missed the comma there...sounds like the Guardian or a CCO would fit the bill, which is what I implied.

Damn you guys are rough. :rofl:

HotRoderX
06-10-2011, 14:15
I got a 1911 9mm cause of the price of 45. No problems its pretty much the same gun as a 1911 45 with just a few minor differences. If I was you thought dont forget to take a look at the RIA 1911 Officer

Quack
06-10-2011, 14:31
9mm 1911's are just horrible...

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-5hHCrmG/0/L/i-5hHCrmG-L.jpg

drc767
06-10-2011, 14:33
Just taken from my experience, I wouldn't want to rely on a 9mm 1911 for defense. I am talking full framed 1911s, so I wouldn't group the EMP in there (of which I have little experience). First of all, just look at the way the rounds stack in the magazine. The 9mm being a tapered case, doesn't allow the rounds to lay parallel to one another like the straight walled cases (.45, .40, 10mm, .38 super). Lots of movement between the rounds, too easy to nose dive. Springfield / Metalform even designed a magazine to "catch" the nose dive and ramp the round back up to where is belongs. Then there is the issue of having magazines with spacers in them. :upeyes:

That being said, lots of people have had success with them. :dunno: YMMV.

That is why the .38 Super is the best of both worlds. .355 Bullet (9mm), more powder than a 9mm and the OAL is nearly the same as the .45. Maybe even more of a reliable feeder than the .45 (especially with a ramped barrel), and if not, just as reliable. Even better yet, load using SuperComp brass and they will stack and feed even better!

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/drc767/IMG_3428.jpg

Quack
06-10-2011, 14:34
i like the .38S, but need to start reloading to keep feeding it.

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1230043312_SNRE6-L.jpg

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
06-10-2011, 14:38
9mm 1911's are just horrible...

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-5hHCrmG/0/L/i-5hHCrmG-L.jpg

I agree

Especially 9mm Springfields. They just suck. http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/Smiley/thicon_mad.gifhttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/Smiley/thicon_mad.gif

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/Operator-red1.jpg

drc767
06-10-2011, 14:48
i like the .38S, but need to start reloading to keep feeding it.

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1230043312_SNRE6-L.jpg

Get a Dillon Square Deal "B". .38 Super is all I reload for. It makes shooting the .38 Super very cost effective for pretty short money. Plus, it will allow you to load up some hot ammo for SD, although there are those that would disagree with carrying home rolled ammo. If I am the one reloading it, I have absolutely no problem with it.....but that is just me. :)

drc767
06-10-2011, 14:53
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1230043312_SNRE6-L.jpg

That is slick as hell!!

rsxr22
06-10-2011, 15:36
I agree with hokie... STI, DW, or an EMP

Goldendog Redux
06-10-2011, 15:40
Gents,

I've been trolling... er... reading this forum for quite some time.

I've got a fund set up to buy a nice full-size 1911 in .45 ACP to keep forever, and I've already got that option narrowed down to just a few choices... So I'm all set for that purchase.

The "1911 in 9mm" thread got me thinking that I would also like a smaller 1911 for carry, perhaps in 9mm. The only reason I am thinking 9mm is that I shoot far more 9mm than any other handgun ammunition and since this will be a carry gun, I will want to be able to train with it... a lot. Basically, if I go this route, I'm going to need a workhorse of a gun.

I don't want to go really small, especially in 9mm, so an EMP or similar is really not up my alley. I'm looking at 4-4.5" barrels and slightly shorter grip.

I've been looking mostly at an STI Ranger II, but I find myself asking, "Shouldn't I just stick with a Commander .45?"

What do you guys think? I'm just looking for top-of-the-head opinions.

Thanks in advance!

If this is a concealed carry gun, you'd be hard pressed to beat an EMP. The experience I have had with them is great. You said they are not up your alley, but you should really consider it. I wish I had one.

MF

knedrgr
06-10-2011, 16:56
That is why the .38 Super is the best of both worlds. .355 Bullet (9mm), more powder than a 9mm and the OAL is nearly the same as the .45. Maybe even more of a reliable feeder than the .45 (especially with a ramped barrel), and if not, just as reliable. Even better yet, load using SuperComp brass and they will stack and feed even better!

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/drc767/IMG_3428.jpg

I never get tired of seeing that gun. :faint:

Ruggles
06-10-2011, 17:10
.38 Super FTW!!!
:supergrin:

It is a great non .45ACP round in a 1911.

Nakanokalronin
06-10-2011, 17:15
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004748393_vcNh2-L-2.jpg

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1009301811_fyEgU-L.jpg

You know how looking at your 1911s is for me? Its like looking at a really hot chick from top to bottom and when I get to the bottom , her feet (flat trigger) are just terrible looking which almost ruins the whole package. I kinda go...."awwww almost...."

:tongueout: I'm just messin' with ya.

glock2740
06-10-2011, 18:25
A 9mm 1911 is fun to shoot and can always have a 38 Super barrel fit for it. I like mine quite a bit. :cool:


http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/213.jpg



http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/38Super2.jpg

BuckyP
06-10-2011, 19:25
That is why the .38 Super is the best of both worlds. .355 Bullet (9mm), more powder than a 9mm and the OAL is nearly the same as the .45. Maybe even more of a reliable feeder than the .45 (especially with a ramped barrel), and if not, just as reliable. Even better yet, load using SuperComp brass and they will stack and feed even better!

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/drc767/IMG_3428.jpg

Well, a true .38 super is .356. :tongueout:

I've reloaded a lot of super, though mostly for IPSC Open guns. 125g bullets at 1450 were the norm, which exceeds the average .357 Magnum load. :supergrin:

The problem is it doesn't address the issue of cost that the 9mm does. Factory ammo is typically far more expensive than 9mm, and the cost of .38 super brass is very costly these days. :crying:

drc767
06-10-2011, 19:46
Well, a true .38 super is .356. :tongueout:

I've reloaded a lot of super, though mostly for IPSC Open guns. 125g bullets at 1450 were the norm, which exceeds the average .357 Magnum load. :supergrin:

The problem is it doesn't address the issue of cost that the 9mm does. Factory ammo is typically far more expensive than 9mm, and the cost of .38 super brass is very costly these days. :crying:

It is my understanding the newer .38 Supers are setup for .355 bullets, but I could be misinformed. You shoot IPSC, and I don't, so I would assume you have a little more knowledge on the round than I do. .355 works perfect in my pistols.

Fedor
06-10-2011, 20:52
All 1911's I buy will be .45ACP, but that's just my own personal deal.

98_1LE
06-10-2011, 21:12
If considering the EMP might as well throw the STI Escort in the ring as well.

INJoker
06-10-2011, 21:37
1) You guys crack me up.
2) Thanks for the great advice!
3) I'm reexamining the EMP.
4) There are some sexy .38 Supers in this thread... Wow.

:)

Thanks again!

TKR Reptiles
06-10-2011, 21:55
Gents,

I've been trolling... er... reading this forum for quite some time.

I've got a fund set up to buy a nice full-size 1911 in .45 ACP to keep forever, and I've already got that option narrowed down to just a few choices... So I'm all set for that purchase.

The "1911 in 9mm" thread got me thinking that I would also like a smaller 1911 for carry, perhaps in 9mm. The only reason I am thinking 9mm is that I shoot far more 9mm than any other handgun ammunition and since this will be a carry gun, I will want to be able to train with it... a lot. Basically, if I go this route, I'm going to need a workhorse of a gun.

I don't want to go really small, especially in 9mm, so an EMP or similar is really not up my alley. I'm looking at 4-4.5" barrels and slightly shorter grip.

I've been looking mostly at an STI Ranger II, but I find myself asking, "Shouldn't I just stick with a Commander .45?"

What do you guys think? I'm just looking for top-of-the-head opinions.

Thanks in advance!

I love how everyone is telling him to get a EMP when he posted the above...

Hokie1911
06-10-2011, 21:59
I love how everyone is telling him to get a EMP when he posted the above...

Well, maybe it was this....

The "1911 in 9mm" thread got me thinking that I would also like a smaller 1911 for carry, perhaps in 9mm.

...and the fact that the EMP is one of the best choices in a compact 9mm. :dunno:

TKR Reptiles
06-10-2011, 22:14
Well, maybe it was this....

The "1911 in 9mm" thread got me thinking that I would also like a smaller 1911 for carry, perhaps in 9mm.

...and the fact that the EMP is one of the best choices in a compact 9mm. :dunno:

Yeah, but the following sentence after that he said he doesn't want a EMP... I'd say a Aegis Pro would be his best bet...

Hokie1911
06-10-2011, 22:18
Yeah, but the following sentence after that he said he doesn't want a EMP... I'd say a Aegis Pro would be his best bet...

To which he also followed...

What do you guys think? I'm just looking for top-of-the-head opinions

Well, that's what we think. :supergrin:

TKR Reptiles
06-10-2011, 22:27
To which he also followed...

What do you guys think? I'm just looking for top-of-the-head opinions

Well, that's what we think. :supergrin:

Might as well tell him to get a S&W .357 or a .44 Mag Super Black hawk:tongueout:... :rofl:

Hokie1911
06-10-2011, 22:29
Might as well tell him to get a S&W .357 or a .44 Mag Super Black hawk:tongueout:... :rofl:

Nah, we don't like those and they aren't small 9mm 1911s. :wavey:

TKR Reptiles
06-10-2011, 22:35
Nah, we don't like those and they aren't small 9mm 1911s. :wavey:
At least he didn't list them as a gun he DIDN'T want... :dunno:

Hokie1911
06-10-2011, 22:37
At least he didn't list them as a gun he DIDN'T want... :dunno:

I'm sure you don't want me coming down there and kicking you in the bojangles, but that may happen. :rofl:

Cobra64
06-11-2011, 01:53
... but need to start reloading to keep feeding it.



Yes you do, for about $6.00 - $6.50 a box, depending on bullet weight; more if HAP quality target bullets.


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/P1040988-C.jpg



Starline brass
CCI Primer
VV3N37 Powder
Rose bullets

stumpjumper
06-11-2011, 04:23
I hate to get back on the original topic, but does anyone have the 4" RIA 9mm and if so how does it compare to some of the other 9mm 1911s?

BuckyP
06-11-2011, 04:25
It is my understanding the newer .38 Supers are setup for .355 bullets, but I could be misinformed. You shoot IPSC, and I don't, so I would assume you have a little more knowledge on the round than I do. .355 works perfect in my pistols.

I believe you are correct in regard to match barrels. For ease of manufacture, the barrel companies make one barrel that they can chamber for 9x19, 9x21, 9x23, and .38 super. Slide makers too, used to make different 9mm and .38 super slides but don't any more. It's likely they do the same for factory barrels today as well.

In one of my guns, I have to use .356 bullets. .355 bullets do not group well. It's likely that since I fed it a steady diet of .356 for 50k-60K, that is the reason. Hard to believe .001 can make that much of a difference. :dunno:

There are also much fewer offerings in .356 bullets these days than there used to be.

CMG
06-11-2011, 06:13
I'm not a huge fan of the mid-size guns, but I do like the 9mm in a 1911.

I had an EMP for awhile, and after replacing the ambi-safety, we got along OK, but the grip just never felt right to me.

So I finally sold the EMP and replaced it with a Colt Defender. It makes a great companion piece to my (original series) Kimber Ultra Carry.

Colt Defender 9
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b175/pb9x19/CDefenderrw.jpg

Kimber Ultra Carry 45
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b175/pb9x19/KUCrw.jpg

INJoker
06-11-2011, 07:57
The original reason I said "no" to the EMP was because I was looking more for a 4" barrel model, but after the EMP came up in almost every post, I decided to throw it back in for consideration.

That said, I'm digging a lot of the .38 Super guns posted in this thread...

Again, I really appreciate the responses. I've got several great options to consider now!

limbkiller
06-11-2011, 08:01
I'm not a huge fan of the mid-size guns, but I do like the 9mm in a 1911.

I had an EMP for awhile, and after replacing the ambi-safety, we got along OK, but the grip just never felt right to me.

So I finally sold the EMP and replaced it with a Colt Defender. It makes a great companion piece to my (original series) Kimber Ultra Carry.

Colt Defender 9
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b175/pb9x19/CDefenderrw.jpg

Kimber Ultra Carry 45
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b175/pb9x19/KUCrw.jpg
Nice pair of guns. :wow:

Hokie1911
06-11-2011, 08:24
The original reason I said "no" to the EMP was because I was looking more for a 4" barrel model, but after the EMP came up in almost every post, I decided to throw it back in for consideration.
That said, I'm digging a lot of the .38 Super guns posted in this thread...

Again, I really appreciate the responses. I've got several great options to consider now!

Hey Trent.....DO YOU LIKE APPLES?

How do you like dem apples?

http://www.curragh-labs.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/them-apples.jpg

TKR Reptiles
06-11-2011, 09:15
Hey Trent.....DO YOU LIKE APPLES?

How do you like dem apples?

http://www.curragh-labs.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/them-apples.jpg


FUH Q! :tongueout:

:rofl:

Hokie1911
06-11-2011, 09:27
:animlol:

BlayGlock
06-11-2011, 20:52
I mean I only have put 1200 rounds through this one without cleaning it at all and have experienced 1 malfunction. Just something about the 9mm being in a gun designed for a .45 length cartridge makes it so durn unreliable.

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv239/BlayGlock/Springfield%20Custom%20Carry/SpringerCustomCarry001.jpg

glock2740
06-11-2011, 20:59
FUH Q! :tongueout:

:rofl:
:rofl:

Hokie1911
06-11-2011, 21:02
I mean I only have put 1200 rounds through this one without cleaning it at all and have experienced 1 malfunction. Just something about the 9mm being in a gun designed for a .45 length cartridge makes it so durn unreliable.

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv239/BlayGlock/Springfield%20Custom%20Carry/SpringerCustomCarry001.jpg

That's a sweet heater, Derek.

http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac6/HokiePS7/226_jesus-cleaning-bowling-ball.gif

BlayGlock
06-11-2011, 21:04
When I get to come join all you cool kids in Ohio for a shoot I will bring it along. Ive since cleaned it BTW. I was going to try to do the 2K challenge but just could not stand seeing my 1911 so filthy.

Hokie1911
06-11-2011, 21:06
When I get to come join all you cool kids in Ohio for a shoot I will bring it along.

Most excellent. :thumbsup:

We are looking to do something soon.......well, if Don ever returns from the beach.

BlayGlock
06-11-2011, 21:10
I didnt know he could swim?

Hokie1911
06-11-2011, 21:12
I didnt know he could swim?

Ducks love water. :supergrin:

glock2740
06-11-2011, 22:30
Ducks love water. :supergrin:
:rofl:

Quack
06-11-2011, 22:49
Want to see pics of the kids in the pool? :animlol:

lawdog734
06-12-2011, 07:28
Want to see pics of the kids in the pool? :animlol:

Nnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl:

Quack
06-12-2011, 07:47
see...i'm in the pool :animlol:

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/250713_10150201795104495_506284494_7312117_3960582_n.jpg

Hokie1911
06-12-2011, 08:14
:laughabove:

FLSlim
06-12-2011, 08:40
This has been a good choice for me, but a 9 would work, I guess. Just find what "feels right" to you.
http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp53982%3Enu%3D3267%3E982%3E5%3A8%3EWSNRCG%3D3636%3C7%3B26532%3Cnu0mrj

Nakanokalronin
06-12-2011, 14:00
That's a sweet heater, Derek.

http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac6/HokiePS7/226_jesus-cleaning-bowling-ball.gif

:laughabove:

Hokie1911
06-12-2011, 14:24
:laughabove:

Washin' balls. That's what we do here amongst 1911 brethren. :supergrin:

xdmikey
06-12-2011, 14:28
i have an sa compact(officer grip/4 inch barrel) w/zero failures of any kind. unbelievable accuracy. not from me, of course, but my first chl instructor. one ragged hole at 20 yards.
made that gun a keeper!