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GJ1981
06-12-2011, 08:43
I must have hit my head pretty good at work, because for some reason, I'm thinking about a new 1911. I don't plan to order until late winter/early next spring since I have to recover from an upcoming Novak build and tuition :faint:, but like planning ahead.

I have no idea if this pistol will be more for range use or have the chance of being a CCW, I'm pretty content with my current choice so :dunno:. I'm budgeted for ammo and two training classes for 2012 so I'm not worried too much about buying another pistol. I'm on the fence about selling one or two pistols to fund this new one, but I'm having trouble making my mind up.

Anyway, my three choices.

1. Wilson Tactical Elite- Dunno why. I like my CQB, took it to the range the other night and am thinking Wilson might be my favorite for a few good reasons. Another CQB built to my specs is another option, but I kind of like the cone barrel on the TE, something different.

2. Guncrafter No-Name - I know the owners seem to speak highly of them, which intrigues me. I would like to see some long-term tests of one but understand they are fairly new. Anyone know where I can find a report of one torn down? I'd like to see how they look inside.

3. Ed Brown Executive Elite - I wasn't overly impressed with a buddy's SF from TX, however, I wasn't impressed with Wilson at first and ended up with a great one. Maybe the same would happen if I bought one.

4. ??? - Not looking at "customs," the Wilson is about the most I'm willing to spend.

Like I said, I don't know if I should just control my urge and save the money or say the hell with it. It's not like I need it, just have the opportunity to get one. I've cut my buying down dramatically, so this very well could be one of the last pistols I buy.

Maybe I'll hit myself in the head and come to my senses.

Quack
06-12-2011, 08:46
#3....

bac1023
06-12-2011, 08:51
Out of those, probably the Guncrafter.

Its an exceptional 1911. :cool:


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_0003_5.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_0007_4.jpg

Hokie1911
06-12-2011, 08:54
SACS Custom Carry Champion.













Sorry man, couldn't resist. Since you already have a Wilson, I've vote Brown EC or a bobtailed 4.25" No Name.

TKR Reptiles
06-12-2011, 08:54
I don't know if I should just control my urge and save the money.This option...

Fedor
06-12-2011, 08:55
Dont feel bad, I picked up my new Springfield Friday and I'm already contemplating which 1911 to buy next. :cool:

GJ1981
06-12-2011, 08:57
SACS Custom Carry Champion.


Why you little
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Since you already have a Wilson, I've vote Brown EC or a bobtailed 4.25" No Name.

I don't go for any 1911 under 5", not anymore. I have thought about a 5" with a BT though.

Hokie1911
06-12-2011, 09:00
I don't go for any 1911 under 5", not anymore. I have thought about a 5" with a BT though.

Whoops. Misread your OP. If you want something different and probably won't carry it, how about a Centennial EE? I want to shoot Lawdog's NN to see what all the hoopla is about myself.

GJ1981
06-12-2011, 09:06
Whoops. Misread your OP. If you want something different and probably won't carry it, how about a Centennial EE? I want to shoot Lawdog's NN to see what all the hoopla is about myself.

I tell myself I won't use it for carry but cannot say for sure. I'm considering putting my Wilson or NH through either Vickers or Redback One training class (since these are my two planned classes late this year/early next) and if they perform, I'll consider carrying a 1911 again.

With that said, I still find it hard to buy something and not think about carrying it sometimes. I thought about buying a shoulder holster and a cheesy 70's suit so I could carry my 6" S&W 29, but that's an inside joke.

I do like the looks of an EB, and do like the Centennial, so I might add that to the possibilities.

Hokie1911
06-12-2011, 09:09
You won't see that many down the road since EB is only making them this year, so it would be something sort of unique.

bac1023
06-12-2011, 09:12
I know Brown and Wilson are many times as big, been around much longer, and, therefore, much more popular than GC. However, I honestly believe Guncrafter builds a better 1911 than Brown and any Wilson outside the Super Grade.

Unfortunately, they're a much smaller company without the means or the advertising power of the other two.

GJ1981
06-12-2011, 09:12
You won't see that many down the road since EB is only making them this year, so it would be something sort of unique.

I usually don't think about down the road much, but you have a point. It really reminds me of the Sheriff Wilson model they did a few years ago.

MD357
06-12-2011, 09:19
I had a Wilson Cone barrel'ed gun which was really accurate, but in the end I felt it threw off the balance for me. Could be that I was just not used to it.

My vote goes for a CQB elite.

Cerebrus
06-12-2011, 09:24
Well it aint a No-name getting reviewed here.. but it is a Guncrafter model 1

http://1911enthusiast.com/showthread.php/636-M1-review-with-pics

there are a few shots of it torn down..

Fedor
06-12-2011, 09:31
I know Brown and Wilson are many times as big, been around much longer, and, therefore, much more popular than GC. However, I honestly believe Guncrafter builds a better 1911 than Brown and any Wilson outside the Super Grade.

Unfortunately, they're a much smaller company without the means or the advertising power of the other two.


The Guncrafter 1911's do look awesome, do you have one in .50GI ?

Quack
06-12-2011, 09:38
You're not Tactical if you don't own THIS!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxyqJYwlT0I

Hokie1911
06-12-2011, 09:44
Just practice this move and you will be just fine...

http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac6/HokiePS7/MT.gif

Fedor
06-12-2011, 09:49
You're not Tactical if you don't own THIS!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxyqJYwlT0I

ROTFLMAO !! :rofl: :rofl:

bac1023
06-12-2011, 10:01
The Guncrafter 1911's do look awesome, do you have one in .50GI ?

No

I only buy 1911s in 45ACP. :tongueout:

All of mine are in the same caliber. :dunno:

Hokie1911
06-12-2011, 10:03
No

I only buy 1911s in 45ACP. :tongueout:

All of mine are in the same caliber. :dunno:

Brian isn't man enough to roll with a .50 like MVP.

http://www.maricopatactical.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mark-volpone.jpg

Fedor
06-12-2011, 10:03
No

I only buy 1911s in 45ACP. :tongueout:

All of mine are in the same caliber. :dunno:

I knew that, just testing you. :cool:

GJ1981
06-12-2011, 10:14
Brian isn't man enough to roll with a .50 like MVP.

http://www.maricopatactical.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mark-volpone.jpg




You better watch yourself making fun of him, I saw him at the gym once. He's pretty mean to inadament objects when he's interrupted during his 100 rep curls .

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bac1023
06-12-2011, 10:25
Brian isn't man enough to roll with a .50 like MVP.

http://www.maricopatactical.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mark-volpone.jpg

:rofl::rofl:

Man, what a tool that guy is. :animlol:

bac1023
06-12-2011, 10:32
You better watch yourself making fun of him, I saw him at the gym once. He's pretty mean to inadament objects when he's interrupted during his 100 rep curls .

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Roid rage? :wow:





:animlol:

lawdog734
06-12-2011, 13:34
I was going to be a dik and suggest SA custom too.:rofl:
I really love my no name but it's my only semi custom gun.

drc767
06-12-2011, 13:42
"No Name" hands down.....at least against anything else at that price point (and more, in some cases).....

bac1023
06-12-2011, 13:57
"No Name" hands down.....at least against anything else at that price point (and more, in some cases).....

:agree:

The only model I think is as good in the $2500 range is the Baer SRP. However, its more expensive with the accuray guarantee.

glock2740
06-12-2011, 14:40
I'd pick the Wilson TE or GC NN out of those 3. I have a NN already, with another on the way. Can't say enough good about them. Brian and Dave are correct, the GC guns are up at the top in quality. I'm a huge Wilson fan and have the CQB and ULCc and they are 2 of my favorites. My next Wilson is going to be a TE Pro with a bobtail. I've always wanted an EB SFC or recently the KCLW with a bobtail. You would go wrong with any of the 3.

glock2740
06-12-2011, 14:42
:agree:

The only model I think is as good in the $2500 range is the Baer SRP. However, its more expensive with the accuray guarantee.
I was quoted right at that for a 1.5" SRP with no FCS, single side safety in hardchrome from CJ a couple of weeks ago.

bac1023
06-12-2011, 15:21
I was quoted right at that for a 1.5" SRP with no FCS, single side safety in hardchrome from CJ a couple of weeks ago.

That's a nice price, Joe.

GJ1981
06-12-2011, 15:36
That is a great price, and if I wanted another Baer, I would call CJ. I dunno why but I don't want another Baer. I'm happy with the one I have, just don't want another right now.

I dunno, I have the rest of the year to think it over. Even though I have one, I'm leaning toward a Wilson. I might go with a CQB Elite with Bobtail and a few other options. I just wish I could find a NN to look over, but the local shops rarely have anything high end.

glock2740
06-12-2011, 15:40
That's a nice price, Joe.
Yes it is. I have put alot of thought into it, but I gotta stop for awhile. I added up how much I've spent on guns in the past 12 months, and it is embarrassingly silly. :embarassed: At least I have something to show for the money spent. :)

drc767
06-12-2011, 15:41
The Wilson Tactical Elite is an excellent pistol, but keep in mind, they are near or over the 3k mark and the NN can be had for well under $2,500.

lawdog734
06-12-2011, 15:50
That is a great price, and if I wanted another Baer, I would call CJ. I dunno why but I don't want another Baer. I'm happy with the one I have, just don't want another right now.

I dunno, I have the rest of the year to think it over. Even though I have one, I'm leaning toward a Wilson. I might go with a CQB Elite with Bobtail and a few other options. I just wish I could find a NN to look over, but the local shops rarely have anything high end.

Which 1911s do you already own?

GJ1981
06-12-2011, 16:13
Which 1911s do you already own?

Too many...I don't have a Brown or GC yet. Those are the only two of the main shops I have interest in.

lawdog734
06-12-2011, 17:39
If you're ever in the Cleveland area, you can shoot my no name.

midliferally
06-12-2011, 18:33
Too many...I don't have a Brown or GC yet. Those are the only two of the main shops I have interest in.

Do you have a Nighthawk?

GJ1981
06-12-2011, 19:10
If you're ever in the Cleveland area, you can shoot my no name.

:thumbsup:

Might have to take you up on that. I might be going through Ohio around September/October for a TigerSwan class, but haven't decided if I want to drive to NC or not this year. Depends on the weather I guess.


Do you have a Nighthawk?

Yes, I bought one last August.

glock2740
06-12-2011, 19:20
:thumbsup:

Might have to take you up on that. I might be going through Ohio around September/October for a TigerSwan class,.
What is TigerSwan? A martial art I haven't heard of?

glock2740
06-12-2011, 19:21
See what Bing can do for you. :cool: Looks pretty cool.

http://www.tigerswan.com/site/training/

20South
06-12-2011, 23:26
I would go NN. I have two of them with a third on the way. I just got a Wilson CQB Elite in Stainless so the comparisons aren't exactly apples to apples (at least until my stainless NN shows up:cool:) but I think the GC is every bit the pistol and was at least $600 easier on the wallet. I don't own a brown, so I can't offer an opinion on that front other than I wouldn't hesitate to buy one. You can't make a bad decision, but if you are leaning toward a GC, don't call Dave. He makes them multiply like water on a gremlin.:rofl:

GJ1981
06-13-2011, 16:45
I knew it before I asked, but the Wilson TE with my specs is just a little over $600 more. I'm leaning toward the NN but have until next year to decide. How knows, I might sell a particular brand off and get both with time.


Looks pretty cool.

http://www.tigerswan.com/site/training/

The cadre has a hell of a resume, which is expected. It's a long trip for me but it's either going to be TS or Redback One this year if all goes well, though I was planning RBO for next spring/summer along with one other class.

Hokie1911
06-13-2011, 16:55
I knew it before I asked, but the Wilson TE with my specs is just a little over $600 more. I'm leaning toward the NN but have until next year to decide. How knows, I might sell a particular brand off and get both with time.



Whatever brand could you be speaking of? :whistling:

polizei1
06-13-2011, 17:02
Which course are you taking? I would love to take the 3-day Concealed Carry course and the 2-day Law Enforcement Pistol course. And when are you going?

BigDeeeeeeee
06-13-2011, 17:19
My NN is much better built than my EE. My Brown has a rather loose fit slide and a really poorly fit beavertail. That said it has ran near 100% for 2500 rounds, the NN is only a few hundred rounds old but also runs great.

For my money it would be NN.:wavey:

GJ1981
06-13-2011, 17:25
Whatever brand could you be speaking of? :whistling:

I should have said a particular pistol, as in, one that I've been waiting 1.5 years to get. Might just send it straight to GB and save the headache.

Which course are you taking? I would love to take the 3-day Concealed Carry course and the 2-day Law Enforcement Pistol course. And when are you going?

Not 100% sure yet between RBO and TS. I'd have to get back into IDPA to meet the prerequisite for the 2-day tactical pistol from TS, otherwise I'd just do their intro pistol and get the 2-day next time. I wouldn't mind getting out of town for a trip anyway. Too bad I'm not AD anymore and wouldn't have to worry.

I'm not seeing the 3-day CC class for TigerSwan, or were you referring to a Redback One class?

Either way, I'm thinking/hoping in the late August to early September time.

polizei1
06-13-2011, 18:20
Here:

http://www.tigerswan.com/site/training/courses.php

It's under Law Enforcement/Military

3-Day Low Signature/Concealed Pistol Course:

"This course is designed to teach the pistol handling skills required in a low visibility/concealed carry tactical environment. It emphasizes surgical marksmanship and the mastering of basic skills. It gives the shooter the skills, training mindset and methodology necessary to train them self. A portion of the course is devoted to the planning, support and special equipment needed for low signature/concealed carry operations as well as the practical application, training and drills to sustain a safe and reliable low signature tactical capability.

The following topics will be taught in the course:

Safety
Loading and clearing
Fundamentals of pistol marksmanship
Concealed carry considerations and equipment
Fratricide prevention
Draw and presentation from a concealed platform
Malfunctions
The draw and proper presentation to the target
Shooting positions
Firing with hand held flashlights and gun lights
Multiple shots
Multiple targets
The set-up
Shooting on the move
Shooting from behind barricades and covered positions
Firing from retention
Training methodology and drills
Ammo requirements: 1700 rounds of pistol ammunition per person.

Prerequisite: Law Enforcement or Military Only

Training schedule: Show time is 7:45 am with instruction starting at 8:00 am and ending at 5 pm.

Individual equipment:

Pistol with 5 magazines
Belt with holster and magazine pouches
Knee and elbow pads (optional)
Concealed holster and concealed magazine pouches
Clothing for concealment (shirt, vest or jacket)
Weapon cleaning kit
Rain or inclement weather gear
Eye and ear protection (clear and shaded lens are recommended)
Water/Snacks (1 hr lunch break)
Hat/Gloves
Sun screen (non-greasy or water resistant recommended)
Course includes: 24 hours of instruction and a certificate of completion.

Cost: $750 tuition fee"

If you were in the military I'm sure they'll accept your DD214. I would actually love to do most of the courses they offer. Man they would be fun!

GJ1981
06-13-2011, 18:34
Sounds like a great class. I would hope they'd accept my 214, I'll have to see. I don't see this class listed for 2011 though.

My other thought was Redback One's, which covers a lot of the same areas.

http://stores.greygrouptraining.com/-strse-3683/Redback-One-2-dsh-Day-Tactical/Detail.bok

Hokie1911
06-13-2011, 18:40
$750 plus 1,700 rounds of ammo? :holysheep:

polizei1
06-13-2011, 19:10
Both seem like great classes. The only live fire I've done besides qualifications was at MP school, where we ran a live fire course with similar targets to IDPA/USPSA with tactical reloads, empty reloads, moving and firing from cover. It was awesome and so much fun.

Edit* Here is the video I was able to find. Not very intense, but pretty fun nonetheless.

http://s78.photobucket.com/albums/j96/polizei1/?action=view&current=DSCI0129.mp4

BlayGlock
06-14-2011, 15:26
Same here. If you are ever in the Pittsburgh area you are welcome to try my No Name.