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Friend of my mother's is selling off her deceased husband's stuff.
Included in the estate auction is a Model 870 Express. I have examined the gun at is appears to be VERY VERY good condition. No scratches no marks or wear in the bluing. I believe the stock and forearm are synthetic.
So the question is, what would be a fair price for this gun in an auction?
I have seen some post on the internet saying that people have been buying these new for $260 after a $50 rebate.
The other thing about this gun is I believe the guy used it to commit suicide. I know he shot himself and I think this was the gun he used.
I don't know if the auction house in going to release that information to other buyers since it might keep the price down.
fourrobert13
06-14-2011, 10:43
I bought one used on auctionarms.com for $190 and it was in excellent condition. I've seen them new priced between $289 to $350 depending on the model of the Express. I personally would just go out and get a new one because you'll probably get raped at an auction for it due to the fact of the auction fees etc.
it also may raise the price who knows
Something doesn't sound correct.
Model 870 Express, blue, synthetic stock?
I don't think they made such a beast.
My 870 Express is Parkerized and has wood stock.
If it is older, it could be a regular 870 and blued, but I would expect it to have pretty wood.
If it is newer, it could be express, parked, and synthetic.
Is it a magnum receiver? For 3inch mag, or 3.5inch mag?
With the current knowledge, if it were me, I would offer $100 if it is a recent production gun.
If it is an older gun, magnum receiver, blue, nice wood, $250. (There was a time in the 90s, when you could get a gun that was great, and then Remington started getting cheap. They started using plastic parts....)
I know someone is going to tell you these are low ball numbers, but honestly you don't know what you are getting. Everything could be in great working order OR you could end up with something that doesn't work or doesn't work correct all the time.
Something doesn't sound correct.
Model 870 Express, blue, synthetic stock?
I don't think they made such a beast.
My 870 Express is Parkerized and has wood stock.
If it is older, it could be a regular 870 and blued, but I would expect it to have pretty wood.
If it is newer, it could be express, parked, and synthetic.
Is it a magnum receiver? For 3inch mag, or 3.5inch mag?
With the current knowledge, if it were me, I would offer $100 if it is a recent production gun.
If it is an older gun, magnum receiver, blue, nice wood, $250. (There was a time in the 90s, when you could get a gun that was great, and then Remington started getting cheap. They started using plastic parts....)
I know someone is going to tell you these are low ball numbers, but honestly you don't know what you are getting. Everything could be in great working order OR you could end up with something that doesn't work or doesn't work correct all the time.
Well its probably parkerized, I know it looks new, I bet less than 5 years old.
The stock felt synthetic, although it's wood tone, it just didn't have that oiled wood feel.
It could be one of these, although it seemed to me that the stock was lighter colored and less grain detail.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/903308506/Guns/Shotguns/Remington-Shotguns/Pump/Trap-Skeet/CLASSIC_REMINGTON_870_EXPRESS_PUMP_12_GA_SHOTGUN.htm
I bought one used on auctionarms.com for $190 and it was in excellent condition. I've seen them new priced between $289 to $350 depending on the model of the Express. I personally would just go out and get a new one because you'll probably get raped at an auction for it due to the fact of the auction fees etc.
It's an estate auction so there shouldn't be any fees to the buyer.
I am thinking I might offer about $150.00. It's really all I want to spend at this time. If I get it for that good, if not I"ll wait and save for a new one.
It's an estate auction so there shouldn't be any fees to the buyer.
I am thinking I might offer about $150.00. It's really all I want to spend at this time. If I get it for that good, if not I"ll wait and save for a new one.
Our local WalMart has a new 12 gauge with wood stock for $287.00. Your offer sounds reasonable.
RWBLUE - the Express comes with a matte finish that looks like parkerizing but it is not. It is called a matte blued finish. It is a sprayed on applied finish. If you have an express with parkerizing then someone did that to the weapon as they do not come from the factory like that and have never come parkerized. This of course causes me to believe you don't know what parkerizing is.
So what plastic parts does Remington use on an 870? If you mean the polymer trigger housing then yes, but you said "Parts" plural. I am not aware of any and there are none on the parts. In fact there are none and every 870 no matter what model are built with the same parts except three, they are the polymer trigger plate, the extractor and one small $3 spring. The finish and furniture determine the model, not the parts the weapon is built with. There are no "Plastic Parts" as you said.
You really have very little knowledge about the Remington 870 and you are telling the OP things that are simply not true.
If my response seems harsh then understand that this is a common problem on all of these gun blogs. A guy post in for information and someone who thinks they know something post in incorrect info. You also lead the OP to belive that the 870's build since the 90's are not of the quality as the ones made then and that is false since it is the exact same weapon today as when it came out in 1950 except for a flex tab modification and a few minor changes to meet SAAMI standards. So when someone gives incorrect info to discredit this weapon. I speak up.
With close to 20,000 Postings I am sure you have extensive gun knowledge, just not about the 870.
Well its probably parkerized, I know it looks new, I bet less than 5 years old.
The stock felt synthetic, although it's wood tone, it just didn't have that oiled wood feel.
It could be one of these, although it seemed to me that the stock was lighter colored and less grain detail.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/903308506/Guns/Shotguns/Remington-Shotguns/Pump/Trap-Skeet/CLASSIC_REMINGTON_870_EXPRESS_PUMP_12_GA_SHOTGUN.htm
It's an estate auction so there shouldn't be any fees to the buyer.
I am thinking I might offer about $150.00. It's really all I want to spend at this time. If I get it for that good, if not I"ll wait and save for a new one.
Sounds like a standard express. If it is setup the way you like, your price seems good also.
Just for fun here is a picture of a Wingmaster. It is Blued.
http://picturearchive.auctionarms.com/4894134305/5388965/RemWing20.jpg
This is from Remington website.
This All-American pump gun brings hunters the best of all worlds. Beneath no-nonsense, ready-for-work exterior of the Model 870 Express lies the same quality, precision, and dependability that you'll find in our legendary Model 870 Wingmaster®, but at a much more affordable price.
Like all Model 870 shotguns, this workhorse features a receiver milled from a solid billet of steel for maximum strength and reliability. The silky-smooth twin action bars prevent binding and twisting so that you'll always have the chance to get off a second shot. Appropriately dressed for the hunt and not for the wall, each shotgun sports non-reflective black matte metalwork and a no-frills laminate stock and fore-end. Both the 12- and 20-gauge models are offered with your choice of a 26- or 28-inch vent-rib barrel with a Modified Rem™ Choke and single bead sight.
Its solid, dependable action makes it America’s favorite, and our continual upgrades make it the most advanced, well-rounded family of pump shotguns around. Along with continually evolving designs, this shotgun’s superiority is a matter of rugged dependability, great pointing characteristics and versatility.In fact, the Model 870™ has been the standard for slide-action performance for almost 60 years1.
Key Features:
* 26" or 28" vent-rib bead-sighted barrel
* Standard Express finish on barrel and receiver
* Shoots both 2 3/4" and 3" shells
Note that it doesn't say the Express is "blued". Although the Express is not parkerized, the finish is more parkerized than blued.
I don't have my 870 or my 870 book with me so I am working on memory. I want to say that they started making the trigger plate, safety and something else.
They may have gone back on the safety switch as I can get a mettle one now.
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Products.aspx?catid=11943
42 is now plastic.
You may find the following interesting.
http://www.remingtonsociety.com/rsa/journals/870/?na=5
What I have is a "low luster hardwood stock". It looks like you will get a laminate stock. This wouldn't really bother me. If it bothers you, you can upgrade it later.
Here is a picture of the gun. As I said, I have examined it and it looks to be in real nice condition. You can see that the picture shows it is a magnum, not sure if it's 3.50 or 3.00 though.
http://www.wegnerauctioneers.com/Kilpatrickauc2011/101_1077.JPG
Every Express ever made is built on a 3" magnum receiver, every single one of them, except the ones built on 3.5" receiver and then it would have the words "super magnum" on it. It is a matte finished not blued.
jeepman00
06-20-2011, 22:30
Looking at the sights on the barrel you might check to see if it is a slug barrel...
Yeah Jeep. I was thinking the same thing, since it has rear sights it may very well be a slug barrel. I believe Remington offered a special model for deer. That may be what this is.
If it's a slug barrel, is there any problem using it with bird loads and buckshot, or are slug barrels damaged by shooting shot?
So knowing what we think we know now, what would be a reasonable price for this at an Estate auction? The auction is this Saturday (My birthday, so I would feel like I could spend a little more. :cool: )
Yeah Jeep. I was thinking the same thing, since it has rear sights it may very well be a slug barrel. I believe Remington offered a special model for deer. That may be what this is.
If it's a slug barrel, is there any problem using it with bird loads and buckshot, or are slug barrels damaged by shooting shot?
So knowing what we think we know now, what would be a reasonable price for this at an Estate auction? The auction is this Saturday (My birthday, so I would feel like I could spend a little more. :cool: )
If it is specifically a slug barrel, it will have rifling. If it does, you can still shoot buckshot but may effect pattern.
Smooth bore shotguns can also have rifle sights. And rifled slugs are used in those.
I have an 870 Express dear gun. It has a 20'' smooth bore and has rifle sights. I prefer smooth bore.
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