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barstoolguru
06-14-2011, 12:14
I have been reading threads on here for some time and something that almost never comes up is the glock safe-t-blok (I did a search too). I see one guy that stood up and said he uses one, why is this? Is there a reason why no one uses then or are they not talked about because they are not cool? It’s just not here either, I looked it up on you-tube and there are only two videos that mention them. One guy said they are not holster friendly with a form fitted holster. I like some thoughts if they are worth the 15.00 or will it get throw in a draw and forgot about?

fuzzy03cls
06-14-2011, 12:17
Are you comfortable carrying the Glock chambered in a holster as it's designed? If that answer is yes then there's no need for this.

ftw13
06-14-2011, 12:27
man up and carry your gun and keep your finger off the trigger. use your money on something useful.

emore
06-14-2011, 12:32
It seems to me that finding that little item with your index finger and poking it out is somewhat of a fine motor skill. Getting your finger on the trigger and pulling it back seems to me like a gross motor skill. In times of extreme stress, most fine motor control goes away. A certain amount of gross motor skill remains. I don't want to push my luck...or a little plastic block.

Bill Lumberg
06-14-2011, 12:36
They are a joke. Only suitable for a drawer, and even then, they're unsuitable compared to a cheap holster. I have been reading threads on here for some time and something that almost never comes up is the glock safe-t-blok (I did a search too). I see one guy that stood up and said he uses one, why is this? Is there a reason why no one uses then or are they not talked about because they are not cool? It’s just not here either, I looked it up on you-tube and there are only two videos that mention them. One guy said they are not holster friendly with a form fitted holster. I like some thoughts if they are worth the 15.00 or will it get throw in a draw and forgot about?

barstoolguru
06-14-2011, 12:44
Are you comfortable carrying the Glock chambered in a holster as it's designed? If that answer is yes then there's no need for this.


But what if you’re not, say carrying in a fanny pack or in a belly band which I do..... The thought of an ND crosses my mind often…….. one posting mention some guy having one in a restaurant while carrying Mexican style and I might not have the time or Ability to rack the slide in a pinch

ColdBlooded
06-14-2011, 13:02
Carry one in the chamber in a holster that covers the trigger guard, or do not carry one in the chamber at all. I will not put my finger inside the trigger guard unless I intend to put my finger on the trigger.

H&K 4 LIFE
06-14-2011, 13:04
... I will not put my finger inside the trigger guard unless I intend to put my finger on the trigger.

I agree.

Dogtowntom
06-14-2011, 13:26
It seems to me that finding that little item with your index finger and poking it out is somewhat of a fine motor skill. Getting your finger on the trigger and pulling it back seems to me like a gross motor skill. In times of extreme stress, most fine motor control goes away. A certain amount of gross motor skill remains. I don't want to push my luck...or a little plastic block.

<---Adapted Physical Education Specialist (I work with kids who have gross motor delays or have physical disabilities)

Fine motor- use of small muscle groups that require precise control(handwriting, keyboarding, grasping, playing piano, and........ANYTHING with the trigger finger :supergrin:).
There is a loss of fine motor skill over time if the skill is not practiced.

Gross motor- use of large muscle groups (walking, jumping, balancing, throwing, catching, kicking, etc).

In theory, if one were to practice drawing, dislodging the safe-t-blok and firing........you would enhance your fine motor skills just as you would if you practiced drawing and firing only. Additional fine motor tasks do not slow down 1911 users who need to thumb off the safety before firing....unless they do not practice thumbing off the safety.

As with any motor skill, practice, practice, practice...........

GRT45
06-14-2011, 13:56
But what if you’re not, say carrying in a fanny pack or in a belly band which I do..... The thought of an ND crosses my mind often…….. one posting mention some guy having one in a restaurant while carrying Mexican style and I might not have the time or Ability to rack the slide in a pinch


If you must carry outside a holster (I don't recommend it) find a way to secure the nylon cord of a Zach (http://www.onesourcetactical.com/zackconcealmentholster.aspx) or MIC (http://www.glocktech.com/) holster to your belt if wearing a belly band or strap of a fanny pack. Of the five (or six?) holster types my girlfriend uses, one is a Zach holster secured to a fanny pack strap. There is no fumbling around or worry it stays put like with a Saf-T-Blok, just draw and yank off the Zach in one motion. I wouldn't use a Saf-T-Blok even if they were giving them away.

samurairabbi
06-14-2011, 14:07
Permit me to offer a bit of "commercial" history pertaining to the saf-t-blok.

There was much discussion about the saf-t-blok when it first came out; opinions were vehement about it. Then the Siderlock, a permanently installed cross-plunger on the trigger, came along; equally controversial. The Siderlock pretty much took over the original saf-t-blok market. The saf-t-blok can still be found at gunshows and on the net, but (I understand) the original producer is no longer making them.

barstoolguru
06-14-2011, 14:31
I did find this..............info on saf-t-blok

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/stb.html

some ome mentioned the mini holster by zach or micro was a great idea IF you don't have a c/t ot rail mounted laser which I do

RustyDaleShackleford
06-14-2011, 18:14
It would probably be good if you're carrying with a ClipDraw.

w provence
06-14-2011, 18:30
I had a mod 19 I carried in a fanny pack for years. Never worried about it going off by accident or any other way. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sites are on the target...........Bill

Ruggles
06-14-2011, 19:57
They clearly have fans, they have been making them for years. I think if you want to use one on YOUR gun then they are perfectly legit. Popping one out takes very little motor skill and does not require the finger to enter the trigger guard at all, only touch the outside perimeter and only behind the trigger itself.

That being said the design of the gun does not require one for safe carry IMO.

barstoolguru
06-14-2011, 20:04
it seems to be a little difficult to find some stats because most ND’s are not reported but I did find this and the numbers are sobering

In 2006, 642 people died in the United States from the accidental discharge of firearms. This is according to the 2010 Statistical Handbook of the U.S. Census Bureau. This represents of 0.00024% of all deaths for the year. 30% of all deaths due to accidental gun fires occurred in persons aged 15 to 24.

http://www.numberof.net/number-of-accidental-gun-deaths/

Ruggles
06-14-2011, 20:10
I would be more worried about blowing "something" off in the waist area than being killed from a discharge :)

j-glock22
06-14-2011, 20:27
Just another 3rd party useless gimmick you do not need for your Glock or any gun for that matter..... too many things to go wrong for you.... Do a poll and find out how many GT'rs actually have and/or carry with this device. I'd wager the number is remote at best...

Finger out of trigger guard and the (holstered) weapon is safe until you draw and fully intend to put that finger on the trigger...

RustyDaleShackleford
06-14-2011, 21:05
it seems to be a little difficult to find some stats because most ND’s are not reported but I did find this and the numbers are sobering

In 2006, 642 people died in the United States from the accidental discharge of firearms. This is according to the 2010 Statistical Handbook of the U.S. Census Bureau. This represents of 0.00024% of all deaths for the year. 30% of all deaths due to accidental gun fires occurred in persons aged 15 to 24.

http://www.numberof.net/number-of-accidental-gun-deaths/
Forget the number of people killed.

How about some statistics on the number of civil suits after ND's?

barstoolguru
06-14-2011, 22:30
Just another 3rd party useless gimmick you do not need for your Glock or any gun for that matter..... too many things to go wrong for you.... Do a poll and find out how many GT'rs actually have and/or carry with this device. I'd wager the number is remote at best...

Finger out of trigger guard and the (holstered) weapon is safe until you draw and fully intend to put that finger on the trigger...


Maybe it's me but all I hear is safety, safety, safety but along comes a device that improves safety and everyone is against it for some reason. Does it take away from their manhood, does it degrade the gun as far as being "safe". I for one am very surprised at some of the responses. As I go along with research into the safety issues I found this

"Officer Craig Clancy strolled to the appropriate facility and was lowering his trousers when his pistol fell from his waistband. When Clancy fumbled for the falling firearm, it went off, twice."
http://sleepless.blogs.com/george/2005/04/accidental_poli.html

Gun accidentally goes off in teenagers backpack - shooting two!
LOS ANGELES – Authorities say a 17-year-old sophomore whose loaded gun went off at school when he dropped his backpack faces assault with a deadly weapon charges.
http://805moms.com/data/assets/boards/805moms/showthread.php?p=20636#post20636

and here is one from this forum

SAFETY WARNING! Worn Leather Holsters Can Cause Accidental Discharges!
http://www.itstactical.com/warcom/firearms/safety-warning-worn-leather-holsters-can-cause-accidental-discharges/

it makes me think as much as I enjoy a glock they seem to be more prone to AD's even by pro's and a $15.00 saf-t-blok might be good for piece of mind and if it don't work out it will be a good conversation piece

lwbfl
06-14-2011, 22:41
I use one in my Glock 27 that I carry daily. I like the fact that I can remove it without thinking about it as putting my finger on the trigger automatically pops it out. I'm also a lefty, so if someone were to get my gun and tired to fire with the right hand it would cause a delay as it only goes one way. I feel better about carrying while I'm doing all the various chores and well worth the small cost IMO. If it's nothing but peace of mind for you then it's well worth it. I personally don't see how you'd even know it was there when firing. I practice with mine in place and have never had to even think about it.
Interesting quotes regarding drops, but your Glock won't discharge from a drop /fall. That was part of the original requirements that made Glocks..............Glocks!

carbuncle
06-14-2011, 22:43
If you're that afraid of your own gun, don't get a Glock: get something with a manual safety. Having an object in the trigger guard to fumble around trying to poke out is going to be way more of a liability than just keeping your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire.

Chowser
06-14-2011, 22:46
get a good holster. if your gun falls, don't try to grab it, let it fall. when it hits the ground, you hope the drop safety (among the other safeties)prevents it from shooting.

three of us went out one night while at school and since i was the only one not drinking, they gave me their guns, so i'm trying to figure out how to put three holsters on and conceal them all. while fumbling around, i drop my HK usp compact, and let it go straight to the ground, nicked up my safety lever and got some scratches on the slide, but it didn't 'go off'.

no such thing as accidental discharge in my book, you or something pulled that trigger or your gun was in seriously bad shape which if you look at it might be accidental discharge, but then you were negligent on maintaining it. ;)

negligent discharge is what we call them over here.

samurairabbi
06-14-2011, 23:04
Maybe it's me but all I hear is safety, safety, safety but along comes a device that improves safety and everyone is against it for some reason.

it makes me think as much as I enjoy a glock they seem to be more prone to AD's even by pro's and a $15.00 saf-t-blok might be good for piece of mind and if it don't work out it will be a good conversation piece

Permit me, as an advocate of the siderlock trigger setup, to nevertheless respond to your presentation. I believe it contains a subtle, yet important, distortion of the doctrine of firearm "safety".

A mechanical feature installed on a firearm solely for the motive of "safety" can, perversely, reduce the "safety" content of carrying the firearm by making the firearm slower to use or less reliable in operation. The foremost example of this perversity can found in requirements for such features as 1) grip safeties like the 1911, 2) mag interlocks that prevent the firing of a chambered round if the mag is not in the gun, 3) a requirement of at least a 10lb. pull on a double-action-only autoloading handgun, 4) proposed laws for "smart guns" that can be fired by only the formal owner, 5) magazine capacity limitations that supposedly reduce the damage a deranged shooter can cause before reloading, 6) restrictions on folding or adjustable stocks that might make it easier for a deranged shooter to conceal a long gun in public ... I think you can perceive the pattern here.

Safety "features" can all too often become political devices to add to the cost, clumsiness, and reduced reliability of a firearm to be used in a protection mode. I am an advocate of the siderlock on a Glock; I would nevertheless oppose REQUIRING all Glocks to be equiped with siderlock "safety" devices. The siderlock takes even a skilled worker a chunk of time to install, and would add significantly to the cost of the gun if required as a condition of legally selling it.

The Glock design does not require an external applied safety any more than a quality revolver needs one. The examples you cite could have been just as easily caused by misuse of revolvers; in fact, it is illuminating that the make of the firearm is not mentioned in each story.

P.S. At the risk of offending the safe-t-blok advocates, the mention of many holster types dislodging the safe-t-blok is valid; I noticed this condition with my experience. When the siderlock came along and then reached a reasonable price on the net, I retired my saf-t- bloks. There IS progress.

Bill Lumberg
06-15-2011, 05:44
Using a safe-t-blok is safer than putting the gun to your head and pulling the trigger without a safe-t-blok. It's far less safe than any inexpensive, readily available holster. So, compared to the most unsafe things you can do with a gun, it's and improvement. Compared to the way any responsible person would carry a gun, it's a joke.

[QUOTE=barstoolguru;17496470]Maybe it's me but all I hear is safety, safety, safety but along comes a device that improves safety and everyone is against it for some reason.

barstoolguru
06-15-2011, 06:47
If you're that afraid of your own gun, don't get a Glock: get something with a manual safety. Having an object in the trigger guard to fumble around trying to poke out is going to be way more of a liability than just keeping your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire.

look what some one else posted, could a saf-t-blok prevented this? ..........................maybe....... I wonder if he had his finger on the trigger or did the trigger hang up on something on his holster. here is a man that carryed for 20 something years and the called it a
Misfortunate accident and NOT an ND
http://www.ksla.com/story/14899779/caddo-deputy-wounded-when-gun-accidentally-fires

carbuncle
06-15-2011, 07:49
And what criteria are you applying to come to that conclusion? Guns in general and Glocks particularly don't just go off when one is holstering them: the finger needs to be in the trigger guard. From the limited information in the article, this incident has negligent discharge written all over it.

Stevekozak
06-15-2011, 09:14
Dude, if you want one, get it. You don't need anyone's approval. For me, I don't see the need, and think it would be more of a hinderance than a help. This is America, you get to buy and use what you want, as long as you are not hurting anyone.

barstoolguru
06-15-2011, 09:35
And what criteria are you applying to come to that conclusion? Guns in general and Glocks particularly don't just go off when one is holstering them: the finger needs to be in the trigger guard. From the limited information in the article, this incident has negligent discharge written all over it.


yes but they do.....see.....and here the term is used again
Accidental Discharge

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5097/5547242760_c73a55d78a_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/itstactical/5547242760/)"The trusty, comfortable, leather holster I had been using for a year and two weeks had done what a baseball glove does "

no finger on the trigger here...... and like the other Article this one too is calling it an accidental discharge and not an ND. do you think a saf-t-blok would have stopped it....... sure looks like it would

barstoolguru
06-15-2011, 09:45
I use one in my Glock 27 that I carry daily. I like the fact that I can remove it without thinking about it as putting my finger on the trigger automatically pops it out. I'm also a lefty, so if someone were to get my gun and tired to fire with the right hand it would cause a delay as it only goes one way. I feel better about carrying while I'm doing all the various chores and well worth the small cost IMO. If it's nothing but peace of mind for you then it's well worth it. I personally don't see how you'd even know it was there when firing. I practice with mine in place and have never had to even think about it.
Interesting quotes regarding drops, but your Glock won't discharge from a drop /fall. That was part of the original requirements that made Glocks..............Glocks!

thank you for the support and glocks will not go off but a knee jerk reaction is to grap the firearm and that is what caused the firearm to go off in the article

lwbfl
06-15-2011, 09:46
I think you should get one just because the majority says no LOL. Mine is not effected by my cheap holster as the trigger guard is wider than the blok. It does not require "fumbling" to remove. I have and use one, love it, practice with it, roll around on my gun when working and it gives me peace of mind without any sacrifice. It's never came out accidentally and always pops out as I put my finger on the trigger, no extra anything to shoot. Don't listen to people who have an opinion of this item who have only seen it on the internet. I have it, like it and recommend it. I haven’t seen anyone post that they tried it and didn’t like it, just that they don’t like the idea. If you like the concept, get one, if you don't like it you lost less than $20 trying.

fuzzy03cls
06-15-2011, 10:11
barstoolguru (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/member.php?u=163273)

What your not seeing in your reasrch is that...

1 - 99% of all ND's of a glock or other gun are because of the user. Either being a dumb ass or not being safe.
2 - The few that are holster related are FEW, VERY FEW compared to all the guns out there.
3 - Keep a glock in a holster with the trigger guard covered & it will not go off unless you pull the trigger or allow something else to pull it.

Sounds to me you just are not comfortable with a glock. I suggest you look into other guns that have a manual safety. A glock is not for you. There are many quality & reliable guns out there with safeties.

Whatever you decide, make sure you train with it.

BailRecoveryAgent
06-15-2011, 10:29
yes but they do.....see.....and here the term is used again
Accidental Discharge

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5097/5547242760_c73a55d78a_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/itstactical/5547242760/)"The trusty, comfortable, leather holster I had been using for a year and two weeks had done what a baseball glove does "

no finger on the trigger here...... and like the other Article this one too is calling it an accidental discharge and not an ND. do you think a saf-t-blok would have stopped it....... sure looks like it would

That incident is still a NEGLIGENT discharge. People that write articles can call it whatever they want. The guy used a worn out holster that allowed a flap of leather to enter the trigger guard. Epic fail on his part. Would a safe-t-block prevented it? Maybe, but if he had taken the time to get a new holster or made sure the gun was seated properly in the holster it would have definitely been prevented.

A "safety" device that has to be over ridden by your trigger finger is more about a false sense of peace of mind. People get too reliant on "safeties" and allow proper gun handling skills to slip, and no "safety" is idiot proof.

If you're uncomfortable carrying with a round chambered without some gimmicky fad attached to the trigger guard, then either carry condition 3 or get a gun with a proper manual safety, which is night and day better than the safe-t-crock.

barstoolguru
06-15-2011, 10:34
Dude, if you want one, get it. You don't need anyone's approval. For me, I don't see the need, and think it would be more of a hinderance than a help. This is America, you get to buy and use what you want, as long as you are not hurting anyone.

We are past that point I went and ordered one on EBay for 13.00 and will get back here and add a final comment here for closure. As always the subject drifts off in to something else. I had posted some articles about discharges of various types and ask if the saf-t-blok would have made a difference. Some of the comments drifted to the reference of an AD or ND so I would like to clarify that there is a difference and YES there is a difference and the two can’t be grouped as one

Negligent: failing to exercise the care expected of a reasonably prudent person.
(Having a finger on the trigger when not ready to shoot)

Accident: An accident is a specific, unpredictable, unusual and unintended external action which occurs in a particular time and place, with no apparent and deliberate cause
(Dropping the gun and grabbing for it and it goes off)

sugarcreek
06-15-2011, 10:53
I beat Saf-T-Blok to the punch WAY back Halloween of '97...

Try 2/5ths of a large Tootsie Roll still in the wrapper.

!THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! The wax paper, thin as it is, WILL aid in the removal of the candy, especially if it has formed a bit to the back of the trigger and/or frame.

!WHICH IS GOOD! This is usually all it takes to maintain the candy WITHIN the back of the trigger/guard area. !REMEMBER! Only two fifths of the Big Roll is necessary. FWIW

barstoolguru
06-15-2011, 10:57
barstoolguru (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/member.php?u=163273)

What your not seeing in your reasrch is that...

1 - 99% of all ND's of a glock or other gun are because of the user. Either being a dumb ass or not being safe.
2 - The few that are holster related are FEW, VERY FEW compared to all the guns out there.
3 - Keep a glock in a holster with the trigger guard covered & it will not go off unless you pull the trigger or allow something else to pull it.

Sounds to me you just are not comfortable with a glock. I suggest you look into other guns that have a manual safety. A glock is not for you. There are many quality & reliable guns out there with safeties.

Whatever you decide, make sure you train with it.


You are correct as I do not feel comfortable at this point. Too much info is a bad thing sometimes when I first bought it loved the idea of not having to think about the safety being on and when I carry in a iwb or owb holster I am fine that but sometimes I carry in a belly band up around the chest area under the arm (button up shirts and shorts) and to have a nd in this area is going to be fatal to me or others close by from the height of the draw. Safety does not take a day off and when I carry it is a big deal to me because when that gun goes off good or bad I am the one that has to deal with the aftermath

lwbfl
06-15-2011, 11:08
Did I mention that it makes my Glock pretty?

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f100/lwbfl2/SU1HMDAwOTktMjAxMTA2MTUtMTE1OS5qcGc.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f100/lwbfl2/SU1HMDAxMDAtMjAxMTA2MTUtMTE1OS5qcGc.jpg
Note that I also like my pierce grip extensions and see no need for a laser, light, mag release ext, slide release ext, chrome or sandpaper! I'm a minority on the internet!

Lior
06-15-2011, 11:35
Another question: is racking a Glock with a Safe-T-Blok installed harmful to the trigger?

lwbfl
06-15-2011, 11:37
Another question: is racking a Glock with a Safe-T-Blok installed harmful to the trigger?

It won't rack while it's installed because it blocks the trigger mechanisms from moving (re-setting).

barstoolguru
06-15-2011, 12:09
Another question: is racking a Glock with a Safe-T-Blok installed harmful to the trigger?

from what I seen it has to be in the ready position to be installed in the first place otherwise the trigger is to far back

Lior
06-15-2011, 12:13
from what I seen it has to be in the ready position to be installed in the first place otherwise the trigger is to far back

You are correct on this count, but the trigger still moves backward when you rack when it is in the forward position. Only with a Safe-T-Blok in place, something ought to give, as the plastic trigger isn't strong enough to inhibit the racking of the slide.

barstoolguru
06-15-2011, 12:45
Forget the number of people killed.

How about some statistics on the number of civil suits after ND's?

here is one we never hear about

Man Awarded $1.5 million in Taurus Lawsuit
http://www.gunreports.com/news/news/Taurus-PT111-Millennium-Lawsuit-Settlement_1589-1.html

so much for a gun never goes off if you are not touching the trigger argument

fuzzy03cls
06-15-2011, 12:58
I'll be the bad guy & say what most in this thread are thinking.....

All mechanical things fail.
I mean really your just being ignorant now. If you don't want to carry a gun cause your so worried about it going off you shouldn't be carrying one. Please stop trying to sway others & creating fear by your fears.

Gunnuts10mm
06-15-2011, 14:28
It would probably be good if you're carrying with a ClipDraw.

This. :cool:

barstoolguru
06-15-2011, 14:59
I'll be the bad guy & say what most in this thread are thinking.....

All mechanical things fail.
I mean really your just being ignorant now. If you don't want to carry a gun cause your so worried about it going off you shouldn't be carrying one. Please stop trying to sway others & creating fear by your fears.

I will be a bad guy too...... Ignorance is someone that loses respect for gun to the point that an AD/ND can’t happen to them. If you read the posts I have no concerns with a glock in a holster, it’s when it has to be drawn from a soft holster like a bellyband or ankle type puts the shooter and or the gun in an awkward position that might cause an AD/ND. Excuse me if I don’t drink your Kool-Aid and agree with you.

dugo
06-16-2011, 05:39
But what if you’re not, say carrying in a fanny pack or in a belly band which I do..... The thought of an ND crosses my mind often…….. one posting mention some guy having one in a restaurant while carrying Mexican style and I might not have the time or Ability to rack the slide in a pinch



Sounded like a viable idea. Tried it out of curiosity. Too often, I would find that the safety bloc had been pushed out of its place, and loose in the holster or other carry device -- that included Mexican. Tighter fit might prevent that, but then it is harder to disengage. The fine motor skill comment is on point, too. Trigger pull aside, it is a little bit hard to do the fine manouver to push the bloc out when hurrying under stress. I didn't end up doing much practice with it, though; maybe that awkwardness would get a little better with practice. Still ...

There is a Comminoli safety that is thumb operated, like a 1911 safety (fairly natural motion, in context). I hear it doesn't invalidate the Glock warrantee, but it is more expensive and more troublesome to have installed. As you will see, many think it is not needed or helpful, but if you really need a safety, that might be the top of the heap for Glocks.

dugo
06-16-2011, 05:53
I think you should get one just because the majority says no LOL. Mine is not effected by my cheap holster as the trigger guard is wider than the blok. It does not require "fumbling" to remove. I have and use one, love it, practice with it, roll around on my gun when working and it gives me peace of mind without any sacrifice. It's never came out accidentally and always pops out as I put my finger on the trigger, no extra anything to shoot. Don't listen to people who have an opinion of this item who have only seen it on the internet. I have it, like it and recommend it. I haven’t seen anyone post that they tried it and didn’t like it, just that they don’t like the idea. If you like the concept, get one, if you don't like it you lost less than $20 trying.

Well, sounds like for 20 bucks, it might be worth a try if you think it might resolve your concerns. I'd suggest just giving it a good testing.

dugo
06-16-2011, 06:02
look what some one else posted, could a saf-t-blok prevented this? ..........................maybe....... I wonder if he had his finger on the trigger or did the trigger hang up on something on his holster. here is a man that carryed for 20 something years and the called it a
Misfortunate accident and NOT an ND
http://www.ksla.com/story/14899779/caddo-deputy-wounded-when-gun-accidentally-fires


A lot of folks just work to develop the habit of always being very mindful as they re-holster. Guy with a Glock and an IWB clip holster takes the holster off, reholsters carefully and attentively, then puts the holster back on. Most times, you can easily do this kind of thing re-holstering, once you have done it enough that it becomes a habit.

Seems like most AD/ND's I've heard about happened when re-holstering or when playing with the gun. Very rarely otherwise. Once or twice, I've heard about a gun going off when someone stood up from sitting, or something like that, but I strongly suspect that those guns were carried without the trigger covered, and some clothing got tangled in the trigger. Not possible with a good holster.

BailRecoveryAgent
06-16-2011, 09:51
If you read the posts I have no concerns with a glock in a holster, it’s when it has to be drawn from a soft holster like a bellyband or ankle type puts the shooter and or the gun in an awkward position that might cause an AD/ND.

It seems as if you're trying to make a case for the safe t block by using a scenario that doesn't make sense to most reading this thread. If you can safely draw a Glock with a round chambered from a holster, why can't you safely draw the weapon from a belly band or ankle setup? The position of the carrier or gun, akward or not, will not cause a AD/ND. Putting your finger or allowing something to get in the trigger guard and it getting pulled will.

If you're able to keep your finger off the trigger when drawing from a holster, you should be able to keep it off when drawing from a belly band or other setup. If not, C3 may be your best option, and I would carry C3 any day over a device meant to give you a warm and fuzzy feeling.

lwbfl
06-16-2011, 10:02
The OP ordered one, will give his OPINION of it after trying it. I don't think my car needs an airbag but I'm not calling anyone ignorant or stupid for wanting the additional safety item. I wonder if any of the abrasive guys on here act the same in person? I'm so glad I live in the country.

wjv
06-16-2011, 10:19
It would probably be good if you're carrying with a ClipDraw.

There are probably a few situation like using with a ClipDraw, where it might make sense. Bought one at a gun show many years ago. . Don't have a clue what happened to it. .

I mostly carry DAO revolvers with long trigger pulls, or my .45 cocked and locked with all of the assorted safeties.

Bill Lumberg
06-17-2011, 07:24
Cripdraw AND a saf-t-blok go together like DUI and no seat belts. The combo is even worse than either of it's parts. Doable, but not a good plan A.

using with a ClipDraw, where it might make sense. Bought one at a gun show many years ago. . Don't have a clue what happened to it. .

H&K 4 LIFE
06-17-2011, 08:04
yes but they do.....see.....and here the term is used again Accidental Discharge

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5097/5547242760_c73a55d78a_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/itstactical/5547242760/)


Wrong!

From the article...

...I can’t say I didn’t know the crease had been formed in the holster. I trained myself to be sure that when holstering, to make sure the gun was fully in the holster, with the trigger protected...

Knowing your gear is faulty and creating a potential safety hazard then subsequently ignoring that fact is NEGLIGENCE! Plain and simple.

BailRecoveryAgent
06-17-2011, 08:59
I wonder if any of the abrasive guys on here act the same in person? I'm so glad I live in the country.

Me too! People are a lot friendlier out here.

IndyGunFreak
06-17-2011, 09:24
Wrong!

From the article...



Knowing your gear is faulty and creating a potential safety hazard then subsequently ignoring that fact is NEGLIGENCE! Plain and simple.

Yup... Why do people always cite that article as a sign that AD's can happen, but then conveniently forget the idiot knew he had a defective holster, and kept using it.

IGF

lwbfl
06-17-2011, 10:25
Me too! People are a lot friendlier out here.


And less of them too!

barstoolguru
06-17-2011, 13:32
The saf-t-blok came in and in seconds I install it. All the positive stuff I heard is true and all the negative stuff is so untrue, with little or no difference in movement to knock the block out. As you grab the gun and lay your finger across the trigger with a slight movement rearwards with your finger still on the trigger guard the blok pops out. Tried it in some different holsters and with small adjustments to the holster (wetting down and stretching it were needed. All my holsters are homemade) the blok stays in place when pulling it out and holstering. In my book it’s well spent money for peace of mind
EBay-13.00 shipping included

BailRecoveryAgent
06-17-2011, 16:00
Well, I'm glad you're happy with your purchase. All the people who's lives you've saved with the addition of the safe-t-block thank you.:tongueout::wavey:

kdm2
06-18-2011, 10:33
yes but they do.....see.....and here the term is used again
Accidental Discharge

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5097/5547242760_c73a55d78a_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/itstactical/5547242760/)"The trusty, comfortable, leather holster I had been using for a year and two weeks had done what a baseball glove does "

no finger on the trigger here...... and like the other Article this one too is calling it an accidental discharge and not an ND. do you think a saf-t-blok would have stopped it....... sure looks like it would

It's the holster in this picture that is unsafe - not the firearm.

If the block makes you feel more comfortable carrying, by all means use it. But don't try to convince the rest of us with a picture of obviously defective equipment.

tag
06-18-2011, 17:40
God, I love noobs.

The concept of a safety that requires sticking your finger behind the trigger is completely foreign to those with proper firearm training.

IndyGunFreak
06-18-2011, 18:30
God, I love noobs.

The concept of a safety that requires sticking your finger behind the trigger is completely foreign to those with proper firearm training.

I agree, I'm of the mindset this thing is actually less safe, as opposed to being more safe.

Misty02
06-18-2011, 22:08
But what if you’re not, say carrying in a fanny pack or in a belly band which I do..... The thought of an ND crosses my mind often…….. one posting mention some guy having one in a restaurant while carrying Mexican style and I might not have the time or Ability to rack the slide in a pinch


My fanny pack has a stiff holster that completely covers the trigger and beyond. It leaves the grip accessible, but that is about it. My belly band, once the G-19 is in, is rather tight and of thick elastic. Both of those seem to do the job properly. I do not holster my weapon while wearing them. I secure it in its place first while aimed at the safest place available and then put it on.

I do not wear the belly band if I know that I’ll have to place the G19 in the car safe at any point during my trip as it would require a bit of undressing to put the belly band back on.

.

lwbfl
06-18-2011, 23:20
God, I love noobs.

The concept of a safety that requires sticking your finger behind the trigger is completely foreign to those with proper firearm training.

We love you ancients too! You don't put your finger behind anything, you put it ON the trigger. Please read the post before flaming it.

Chowser
06-19-2011, 01:49
i used to fanny pack carry when i jogged but i always had the gun in a holster that covered the trigger (i was carrying a Glock 19 with some type of soft nylon holster with a thumb strap). after i moved out of the city, i just job in the backyard now, it's enough land that if someone complains about the gun on my belt, then they have issues because they're on my land.

One of our guys wanted to buy these safetblok things and he was told no because it's not how we train (remove gun from holster, pull trigger; not remove gun from holster, take safety off, pull trigger)

our guy was used to sticking a revolver in his pocket to carry off duty. well, a few years ago, we finally put together an off-duty carry policy. we got rid of revolvers and .380s and only allowed 9mm, .40, .45, .357. no single action only pistols requiring cocked and locked carry and the gun must be in a holster. originally it said holster with thumbstrap but i got it changed to holster that covers the trigger (i carry my 33 in a desantis nemesis pocket holster).

hikerpaddler
06-19-2011, 07:53
You would be correct. I agree, I'm of the mindset this thing is actually less safe, as opposed to being more safe.

tag
06-19-2011, 10:24
We love you ancients too! You don't put your finger behind anything, you put it ON the trigger. Please read the post before flaming it.

Dude, you claim to be a trainer....you should know better.

Tell me, what's the point of installing a little plastic safety, if that safety falls out as soon as you put your finger on the trigger? Isn't the point of that safety to keep the trigger from moving if your finger or another object comes in contact with it accidentially? Anyone? Buehler?

This little device has been vetted out on this site hundreds of times over the last few years. It's crap....sold to firearm neophytes who think that a gun without a manual safety is unsafe.

tag
06-19-2011, 10:31
http://www.clipdraw.com/store/index.php?rn=396&action=show_detail

Here's how there supposed to work. If yours just falls out, then its defective.

Welcome to the forum.

steveksux
06-19-2011, 11:52
Safety does not take a day off and when I carry it is a big deal to me because when that gun goes off good or bad I am the one that has to deal with the aftermath

sometimes I carry in a belly band up around the chest area under the arm (button up shirts and shorts) and to have a nd in this area is going to be fatal to me or others close by from the height of the draw.

Well, even safety deserves a day off once in a while.... :rofl:

Just maybe the solution to doing something unsafe is not to do it in the first place instead of trying to jury rig some contraption to mitigate the problem that should have been avoided in the first place.

Randy

lwbfl
06-19-2011, 11:52
Dude, you claim to be a trainer....you should know better.

Tell me, what's the point of installing a little plastic safety, if that safety falls out as soon as you put your finger on the trigger? Isn't the point of that safety to keep the trigger from moving if your finger or another object comes in contact with it accidentially? Anyone? Buehler?

This little device has been vetted out on this site hundreds of times over the last few years. It's crap....sold to firearm neophytes who think that a gun without a manual safety is unsafe.

I do know how they work (although you edited that out) because I have one and use it during training and EDC.

Don't just claim to be a trainer, I am one also willing to try something FIRST before I dismiss it as foolish or worthless.

It doesn't fall out, your finger pushes it as you put it on the trigger, you can't shake it out nor does it fall out on it's own. The point of the device is to prevent the trigger from being pulled unless you insert your finger into the trigger guard.

I don't care about your opionon of the device, don't use it! I choose to use it and if you can't accept that someone has a different opinion than you then I'm sorry because you'll be disappointed most of your life.

I'm hardly a neophyte, been carrying every day on duty for over 16 years and have been in a few live fire situations. Neither I nor the OP stated that a gun w/o an external safety was unsafe, just that adding an additional margin of safety gave us peace of mind.

I appreciate your opinion, but don't bash others because theirs differs from yours.

barstoolguru
06-19-2011, 13:11
Dude, you claim to be a trainer....you should know better.

Tell me, what's the point of installing a little plastic safety, if that safety falls out as soon as you put your finger on the trigger? Isn't the point of that safety to keep the trigger from moving if your finger or another object comes in contact with it accidentially? Anyone? Buehler?

This little device has been vetted out on this site hundreds of times over the last few years. It's crap....sold to firearm neophytes who think that a gun without a manual safety is unsafe.


Buy one and try it out then make an option, it’s only $13.00-$15.00.
As far as it falling out, there is no way it can without something pushing on it. The blok has set screw and you can adjust it for tension.
I have been playing with it for a couple of days and it’s almost a knee jerk reaction to pop it out when pulling the firearm. One of the reasons
I bought a glock is for the reliability and function and the thought of having an optional safety close to the trigger without permanent modifications sounds good to me

tag
06-19-2011, 13:21
I do know how they work (although you edited that out) because I have one and use it during training and EDC.

Don't just claim to be a trainer, I am one also willing to try something FIRST before I dismiss it as foolish or worthless.

It doesn't fall out, your finger pushes it as you put it on the trigger, you can't shake it out nor does it fall out on it's own. The point of the device is to prevent the trigger from being pulled unless you insert your finger into the trigger guard.

I don't care about your opionon of the device, don't use it! I choose to use it and if you can't accept that someone has a different opinion than you then I'm sorry because you'll be disappointed most of your life.

I'm hardly a neophyte, been carrying every day on duty for over 16 years and have been in a few live fire situations. Neither I nor the OP stated that a gun w/o an external safety was unsafe, just that adding an additional margin of safety gave us peace of mind.

I appreciate your opinion, but don't bash others because theirs differs from yours.


Oh, so you have to stick your finger into the trigger guard, behind the trigger, in order to dislodge the device? Hmm, sounds like exactly what I said above. It's only logical, of course, since an external safety that disengages when you put your finger on the trigger is redundant to the Glock trigger safety and, quite bluntly, defeats the purpose of adding your cheap little piece of plastic in the first place.

If you believe the Glock is unsafe due to it's lack of an external safety, then you should probably choose another weapon. Many other brands provide external safeties for those who think that will keep them from shooting themselves in the butt. They are better built and more reliable than jamming something behind your trigger.

tag
06-19-2011, 13:26
Buy one and try it out then make an option, it’s only $13.00-$15.00.
As far as it falling out, there is no way it can without something pushing on it. The blok has set screw and you can adjust it for tension.
I have been playing with it for a couple of days and it’s almost a knee jerk reaction to pop it out when pulling the firearm. One of the reasons
I bought a glock is for the reliability and function and the thought of having an optional safety close to the trigger without permanent modifications sounds good to me

I have seen one and tried it before. My opinion was that it is a silly little toy meant for those that don't have the training or the common sense to keep their finger off the trigger until they are on target and ready to fire. I also believe that it the type of thing that is destined to fail the moment you need it most (hint: that's not when your 'playing' with it in your bedroom) and I'm not going to cram that anywhere on my defensive weapons.

If you like the reliability of the glock, then you shouldn't do things to compromise that. Sell it and get a gun with an external safety.

Bill Lumberg
06-19-2011, 14:00
Plenty of small-time self-described "trainers" know less than zero about proper firearm use. For a newbie, I can understand why they might have a question about the device, and not know whether it's a good idea or not. Anyone purporting to have more than a novices knowledge of firearms and carry who uses or promotes clip draw and/or the saf-t-blok is telling me more about them than about the product. Dude, you claim to be a trainer....you should know better.

barstoolguru
06-19-2011, 16:44
I have seen one and tried it before. My opinion was that it is a silly little toy meant for those that don't have the training or the common sense to keep their finger off the trigger until they are on target and ready to fire. I also believe that it the type of thing that is destined to fail the moment you need it most (hint: that's not when your 'playing' with it in your bedroom) and I'm not going to cram that anywhere on my defensive weapons.

If you like the reliability of the glock, then you shouldn't do things to compromise that. Sell it and get a gun with an external safety.

you mean like him
http://lapdblog.typepad.com/lapd_blog/2009/03/accidental-discharge-of-a-firearm-1.html

and him
http://lapdblog.typepad.com/lapd_blog/2008/11/accidental-discharge-with-a-firearm.html

and this one
http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/xdtalk-chatter-box/133700-accidental-discharge-concealed-firearm-kills-woman.html

and this one
http://news.xin.msn.com/en/singapore/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4719783

and this one
http://www.firearmsid.com/a_UnintendedGlockDischarge.htm

and this one
http://sleepless.blogs.com/george/2005/04/accidental_poli.html

Well heck you are better then all these people. They all thought that it would never happen to them too mostly cops and some others. Look around and the list gets bigger of people just like you that think they are Immune BECAUSE THEY ARE TRAINED. I feel sorry for the people around you because one of them is going to pay for you’re over confidence

IndyGunFreak
06-19-2011, 17:27
you mean like him
http://lapdblog.typepad.com/lapd_blog/2009/03/accidental-discharge-of-a-firearm-1.html

and him
http://lapdblog.typepad.com/lapd_blog/2008/11/accidental-discharge-with-a-firearm.html

and this one
http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/xdtalk-chatter-box/133700-accidental-discharge-concealed-firearm-kills-woman.html

and this one
http://news.xin.msn.com/en/singapore/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4719783

and this one
http://www.firearmsid.com/a_UnintendedGlockDischarge.htm

and this one
http://sleepless.blogs.com/george/2005/04/accidental_poli.html

Well heck you are better then all these people. They all thought that it would never happen to them too mostly cops and some others. Look around and the list gets bigger of people just like you that think they are Immune BECAUSE THEY ARE TRAINED. I feel sorry for the people around you because one of them is going to pay for you’re over confidence

I ask you this... Would you rather be around someone who has been through firearms training, yet you see him constantly violating safety rules (muzzle sweeps, finger on trigger, etc.) or would you rather be around someone who has never went through any firearms training(or at the very least, limited.. maybe he's just read some articles on the basics of gun safety), but has never swept anyone w/ his muzzle, and keeps his finger off the trigger until he's ready to fire?

You can be trained and have all sorts of alphabet letters after your name, but if you don't put that training to practice, they are just as dangerous.

and I still have yet to see an example where the gun is to blame, and not the knucklehead holding/carrying it. It doesn't matter if those individuals have a Dum-Y-Blok or not... they will still have ND's... I'm convinced of that.

IGF

IndyGunFreak
06-19-2011, 17:38
Plenty of small-time self-described "trainers" know less than zero about proper firearm use. For a newbie, I can understand why they might have a question about the device, and not know whether it's a good idea or not. Anyone purporting to have more than a novices knowledge of firearms and carry who uses or promotes clip draw and/or the saf-t-blok is telling me more about them than about the product.

Plus 100000000

Very well said.

Ruggles
06-19-2011, 18:03
Better a safety behind than in front of the trigger.

http://i52.tinypic.com/ddkxuc.jpg

Although it seems to have worked out in this case :tongueout:

Glad the OP did what he wanted and is happy with his choice. Ignore the talking heads insulting you, they do not take kindly to opposing views of their "expertise" :)

barstoolguru
06-19-2011, 18:49
I ask you this... Would you rather be around someone who has been through firearms training, yet you see him constantly violating safety rules (muzzle sweeps, finger on trigger, etc.) or would you rather be around someone who has never went through any firearms training(or at the very least, limited.. maybe he's just read some articles on the basics of gun safety), but has never swept anyone w/ his muzzle, and keeps his finger off the trigger until he's ready to fire?

You can be trained and have all sorts of alphabet letters after your name, but if you don't put that training to practice, they are just as dangerous.

and I still have yet to see an example where the gun is to blame, and not the knucklehead holding/carrying it. It doesn't matter if those individuals have a Dum-Y-Blok or not... they will still have ND's... I'm convinced of that.

IGF

To sit here and blame a gun for a misfire is like blaming a car for a wreck that has never been driven
pencils that come with erasers we all can make a mistake and we should take some kind of precaution to minimize damage and one way is a saf-t-blok.
For some reason you sound like some one that is against seat belts, safety glass and the Heimlich maneuver because you think you will will need them because you have been trained somehow
Most of the examples I gave are trained professionals and it happen to them so why not you?
And by the way some of the people I trust the most are people that never been through a training course but have a very healthy respect for the firearms they are holding

IndyGunFreak
06-19-2011, 18:59
To sit here and blame a gun for a misfire is like blaming a car for a wreck that has never been driven
pencils that come with erasers we all can make a mistake and we should take some kind of precaution to minimize damage and one way is a saf-t-blok. [/B]

That's where we disagree, because my opinion, is the Dum-Y-Blok is less safe, than using a Glock in its traditional manner, or getting a firearm that has a safety.

For some reason you sound like some one that is against seat belts, safety glass and the Heimlich maneuver because you think you will will need them because you have been trained somehow

That's the most ridiculous analogy I've ever heard. Just in case your interested... I always wear seat belts when driving, I always wear safety glasses when called for (shooting, using some tools, etc..), and I've been First Aid/CPR certified for almost 12yrs, and have done the Heimlich Maneuver in an emergency situation. I've encouraged anyone in my life that will listen, to take a Red Cross class on First Aid/CPR, and have stopped working (and shooting) with people because they were not safe. Might want to make sure if you're gonna make an argument, it's at least based on facts.

Most of the examples I gave are trained professionals and it happen to them so why not you?
And by the way some of the people I trust the most are people that never been through a training course but have a very healthy respect for the firearms they are holding

Again, I don't care if they are trained professionals, THEY screwed up, not the gun. Could it happen to me? Of course it could, but I'll own up to it if it ever does. I'll tell you now, if it did happen to me, I wouldn't go buying things that were LESS safe to make me feel safer. Somehow I doubt your latter statement just given your comments and links to news articles to support your "idea"...

IGF

lwbfl
06-19-2011, 19:37
For the third time, you don't put your finger behind the trigger. Nobody said the Glock design was flawed. Use of this device is widespread with alll sorts of people, trained, untrained and professionals. Its an individuals choice and neither right or wrong. Some people think it's unsafe to use a holster for CC. I don't agree but I'm smart enough to know that everyone has their own opinion and just because they have a different one than mine doesn't make either of us wrong. Don't attack my ability to train because I have a different opinion than you or just because you have a couple thousand more post than I do on an internet forum.

H&K 4 LIFE
06-19-2011, 19:44
you mean like him
http://lapdblog.typepad.com/lapd_blog/2009/03/accidental-discharge-of-a-firearm-1.html

and him
http://lapdblog.typepad.com/lapd_blog/2008/11/accidental-discharge-with-a-firearm.html

and this one
http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/xdtalk-chatter-box/133700-accidental-discharge-concealed-firearm-kills-woman.html

and this one
http://news.xin.msn.com/en/singapore/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4719783

and this one
http://www.firearmsid.com/a_UnintendedGlockDischarge.htm

and this one
http://sleepless.blogs.com/george/2005/04/accidental_poli.html



The majority of your "examples" fail the smell test.

From #1
...was handling a firearm when an accidental discharge occurred.Handling how exactly? The story lacks any more detail. We cannot assume the safety block would have prevented a thing.

From #2
...was handling her Department issued Glock pistol when an accidental discharge occurred.Same as above.

From #3
Police said the man's gun fell from the man's belt and discharged...Unsecured (read, negligent) method of carry and possibly unsafe firearm. The story also doesn't directly name Glock or any other "drop safe" firearm.

From #4
I had just put a new a-grip on my Glock, and was going to clean it after my wife and I finished our movie...I put the weapon back together and inserted the mag...
About and hour later (mid-night or so), I returned to the garage to finish cleaning and getting gear together for the morning. I picked up the Glock, dropped the mag and prepared to remove the slide. I done this literally thousands of times in the last fifteen years, but this times things were a little different. I grabbed the slide getting ready to push the take own pins and pulled the trigger......BANG!!!!!

Apparently I DID pipe a round an hour prior! My shooting bud attributes it to force of habit...
Failure to check/clear the chamber before dis-assembly. Force of habit should be to properly clear the firearm before dis-assembly. You also cannot operate the slide to clear the chamber with the safety block in place, so that is not exactly supportive of your position either.

From #5
Officer... strolled to the appropriate facility and was lowering his trousers when his pistol fell from his waistband. When ... fumbled for the falling firearm, it went off, twice...While fumbling with it either his finger or thumb pulled the trigger. Apparent unsecured (negligent) method of carry and attempting to catch a falling gun. He could just as easily been one of the guys who hangs the gun by the trigger guard on that little coat hook. :rofl:

Booker
06-20-2011, 12:14
When I owned Glocks, I used the Safe-t-blok. It worked as advertised and gave me some additional peace of mind.

I used the device because I rarely use a holster. I used a fanny pack, smart carry, briefcase, day planner, Mexican, Wilderness, etc. I wanted to make sure that nothing ever was able to get in the trigger guard and make that gun go BANG, when I didn't want it too!

tag
06-20-2011, 19:52
For the third time, you don't put your finger behind the trigger. Nobody said the Glock design was flawed. Use of this device is widespread with alll sorts of people, trained, untrained and professionals. Its an individuals choice and neither right or wrong. Some people think it's unsafe to use a holster for CC. I don't agree but I'm smart enough to know that everyone has their own opinion and just because they have a different one than mine doesn't make either of us wrong. Don't attack my ability to train because I have a different opinion than you or just because you have a couple thousand more post than I do on an internet forum.

http://www.clipdraw.com/store/index.php?rn=396&action=show_detail

For the second time.....yes, you do.

Please name one police agency, military unit, security company, or professional training facility that advocates the use of this device.

IlliniGlocker
06-20-2011, 19:55
Maybe it's me but all I hear is safety, safety, safety but along comes a device that improves safety and everyone is against it for some reason. Does it take away from their manhood, does it degrade the gun as far as being "safe". I for one am very surprised at some of the responses. As I go along with research into the safety issues I found this

"Officer Craig Clancy strolled to the appropriate facility and was lowering his trousers when his pistol fell from his waistband. When Clancy fumbled for the falling firearm, it went off, twice."
http://sleepless.blogs.com/george/2005/04/accidental_poli.html

Gun accidentally goes off in teenagers backpack - shooting two!
LOS ANGELES – Authorities say a 17-year-old sophomore whose loaded gun went off at school when he dropped his backpack faces assault with a deadly weapon charges.
http://805moms.com/data/assets/boards/805moms/showthread.php?p=20636#post20636

and here is one from this forum

SAFETY WARNING! Worn Leather Holsters Can Cause Accidental Discharges!
http://www.itstactical.com/warcom/firearms/safety-warning-worn-leather-holsters-can-cause-accidental-discharges/

it makes me think as much as I enjoy a glock they seem to be more prone to AD's even by pro's and a $15.00 saf-t-blok might be good for piece of mind and if it don't work out it will be a good conversation piece

Because if you're not a retard, you understand that a good holster that won't deform and covers the trigger guard is all you need. The Safe-t-blok is a POS that will only get in your way when you actually have to use your gun.

IlliniGlocker
06-20-2011, 19:56
Threads like this are why I no longer take any advice from gun boards.

IndyGunFreak
06-20-2011, 20:08
The majority of your "examples" fail the smell test.

From #1
Handling how exactly? The story lacks any more detail. We cannot assume the safety block would have prevented a thing.

From #2
Same as above.

From #3
Unsecured (read, negligent) method of carry and possibly unsafe firearm. The story also doesn't directly name Glock or any other "drop safe" firearm.

From #4
Failure to check/clear the chamber before dis-assembly. Force of habit should be to properly clear the firearm before dis-assembly. You also cannot operate the slide to clear the chamber with the safety block in place, so that is not exactly supportive of your position either.

From #5
Apparent unsecured (negligent) method of carry and attempting to catch a falling gun. He could just as easily been one of the guys who hangs the gun by the trigger guard on that little coat hook. :rofl:


Great post.

IGF

mike28w
06-20-2011, 21:17
OK, it's my turn to be abused....... I've had one on a Glock 23 ( with holster) ...it works fine...

Also use one on a Glock 26 with Clip Draw ....it too works fine....one of my favorite daily carry set ups.....

Only regret I have is that I wish they made one for my Kahr PM9 ....If someone ever makes one for the Kahr....I'll buy a couple !!

lwbfl
06-21-2011, 10:41
http://www.clipdraw.com/store/index.php?rn=396&action=show_detail

For the second time.....yes, you do.

Please name one police agency, military unit, security company, or professional training facility that advocates the use of this device.

I've fired hundreds of rounds with each initial shot having the blok installed. I have never put my finger behind the trigger, just on it. I don't think they advertise that they use things just like you don't see them telling you what weapon they carry. The OP wanted opinions, he got them. You have obviously made up your mind without trying the thing so get over it already. Don't argue with me about a device I own and use and you don't.

Ruggles
06-21-2011, 10:55
Seems like the anti Safe-t-Blok guys are a bit aggressive about how this device is totally useless in the face of all those posting about how useful they find this device. :dunno:

Seems odd to me is all. To each his own, rather it is makes the gun safer or not it certainly does not make the gun any less safe does it? :dunno:

IndyGunFreak
06-21-2011, 11:02
I don't think they advertise that they use things just like you don't see them telling you what weapon they carry.

They don't advertise it, because they do not exist. No Dept, Military, etc.. would train their officers to put their finger anywhere near the trigger, until they were ready to pull the trigger.

Do you think if some PD or Military, etc.. issued/recommended/required the Dum-Y-Blok for their personnel, that the company would not use that as part of their advertising? Of course they would.

Bill Lumberg
06-21-2011, 11:02
It's not that hard to figure out whether it's a good idea or not. Glaringly obvious, or should be.

IndyGunFreak
06-21-2011, 11:03
Seems like the anti Safe-t-Blok guys are a bit aggressive about how this device is totally useless in the face of all those posting about how useful they find this device. :dunno:

Seems odd to me is all. To each his own, rather it is makes the gun safer or not it certainly does not make the gun any less safe does it? :dunno:

For me, I dont have an issue w/ it because it is useless, I have an issue w/ it because it is actually less safe.

IGF

Doughnutman_923
06-21-2011, 11:04
I mean.......I guess it would be alright.....if you were like..........using the trigger guard......as a lanyard loop. :whistling:

Ruggles
06-21-2011, 11:06
For me, I dont have an issue w/ it because it is useless, I have an issue w/ it because it is actually less safe.

IGF


Less safe? How so?

lwbfl
06-21-2011, 11:08
Seems like the anti Safe-t-Blok guys are a bit aggressive about how this device is totally useless in the face of all those posting about how useful they find this device. :dunno:

Seems odd to me is all. To each his own, rather it is makes the gun safer or not it certainly does not make the gun any less safe does it? :dunno:

Yeah, respecting others opinions, whether they are the same with yours or not, comes with maturity. A forum is a hard place to find such maturity it seems, although it does make it much more entertaining! It’s quite common to resist something you have no knowledge of, just reading an article or hearing someone talk about it. I’m not trying to push the thing on anyone just state my opinion. It is unnerving however that people post false information about the product just to try to justify their opinion.

Ruggles
06-21-2011, 11:11
They don't advertise it, because they do not exist. No Dept, Military, etc.. would train their officers to put their finger anywhere near the trigger, until they were ready to pull the trigger.

Do you think if some PD or Military, etc.. issued/recommended/required the Dum-Y-Blok for their personnel, that the company would not use that as part of their advertising? Of course they would.

If you have fired a M1 or the Mini 14 you had to put you finger inside the trigger guard (in front of the trigger no less) to deactivate the safety.

The Mini 14 has been a very well established LE patrol rifle for decades.

The M1 has seen more than a little military service.

I do not see how rather a LE agency use it or not means anything to the civilian user? I do not know how many civilian users of Glock change their trigger out to those specified by the NYPD which is the largest PD in America if I am correct.

IndyGunFreak
06-21-2011, 11:21
If you have fired a M1 or the Mini 14 you had to put you finger inside the trigger guard (in front of the trigger no less) to deactivate the safety.

The Mini 14 has been a very well established LE patrol rifle for decades.

The M1 has seen more than a little military service.

I do not see how rather a LE agency use it or not means anything to the civilian user? I do not know how many civilian users of Glock change their trigger out to those specified by the NYPD which is the largest PD in America if I am correct.

There's a difference between IN FRONT OF and IN the trigger guard.

I don't see how LE using the device or not is relevant either to be truthful, but lwbfl seems to think it is, since he suggested there are likely agencies that issue/require it, and do not tell anyone... I simply gave him a counter point to that.

IGF

IndyGunFreak
06-21-2011, 11:23
Less safe? How so?

Because it's a "safety" that is in the triggerguard? So you have to put your finger very close to the trigger, if not ON the trigger, to disable it. Finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.... one of those pesky firearm safety rules we should all follow.

lwbfl
06-21-2011, 11:23
There's a difference between IN FRONT OF and IN the trigger guard.

I don't see how LE using the device or not is relevant either to be truthful, but lwbfl seems to think it is, since he suggested there are likely agencies that issue/require it, and do not tell anyone... I simply gave him a counter point to that.

IGF

LOL, now your just making things up. Show me where anyone said anyone issues or requires it.

lwbfl
06-21-2011, 11:24
Because it's a "safety" that is in the triggerguard? So you have to put your finger very close to the trigger, if not ON the trigger, to disable it.Finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.... one of those pesky firearm safety rules we should all follow.

Uh, that's the point. Safety until your ready to fire with your finger on the trigger. When else would you disable a safety?

IndyGunFreak
06-21-2011, 11:29
I've fired hundreds of rounds with each initial shot having the blok installed. I have never put my finger behind the trigger, just on it. I don't think they advertise that they use things just like you don't see them telling you what weapon they carry. The OP wanted opinions, he got them. You have obviously made up your mind without trying the thing so get over it already. Don't argue with me about a device I own and use and you don't.

You responded to a post asking for proof of one Police, Military, etc.. agency that issues this device, and you responded w/ the above...

How can I draw any other conclusion based on what you said? You're also wrong about Depts not releasing info about the weapons they carry. There are frequently press releases when Dept's switch weapons, many of which run in the newspaper.

IGF

lwbfl
06-21-2011, 11:32
You responded to a post asking for proof of one Police, Military, etc.. agency that issues this device, and you responded w/ the above...

How can I draw any other conclusion based on what you said? You're also wrong about Depts not releasing info about the weapons they carry. There are frequently press releases when Dept's switch weapons, many of which run in the newspaper.

IGF

Grasping at straws. :rofl:

IndyGunFreak
06-21-2011, 11:33
Uh, that's the point. Safety until your ready to fire with your finger on the trigger. When else would you disable a safety?

However, you have to put your finger ON the trigger to remove this "safety" device, this can easily result in an ND.

IGF

IndyGunFreak
06-21-2011, 11:34
Grasping at straws. :rofl:

Not grasping at anything, I simply quoted what you said.. If you can draw some other conclusion from what you said, or you had some other meaning, then please share it.

Ruggles
06-21-2011, 11:36
The safety lever, the one you have to disengage is inside of the trigger guard, on the front of the inside of the trigger guard. You have to place you index / trigger finger inside of the trigger guard to disengage the safety. In front of the trigger no less..... OH NOES!

http://i55.tinypic.com/300qp1z.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/fvustz.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/2ibhw5i.jpg

M1, M14 and Mini 14. All well established in the LE and military communities for decades and each one you have to place your finger inside the trigger guard to disengage the safety. :)

Disregarding all of that established military and LE use listed above, popping a Safe-T-Block out from behind the trigger of a Glock does not place the finger near the front of the trigger, no safety issue is present at all, the Glock safe action trigger design makes it even less dangerous IMO.

lwbfl
06-21-2011, 11:36
OK, I was going to quit but here you go. My department doens't advertise what we are issued, safety devices, weapons etc. Why would they? You can't have a ND if you never put your finger on the trigger until ready to fire.

IndyGunFreak
06-21-2011, 11:43
The safety lever, the one you have to disengage is inside of the trigger guard, on the front of the inside of the trigger guard. You have to place you index / trigger finger inside of the trigger guard to disengage the safety.

http://i55.tinypic.com/300qp1z.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/fvustz.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/2ibhw5i.jpg

M1, M14 and Mini 14. All well established in the LE and military communities for decades and each one you have to place your finger inside the trigger guard to disengage the safety. :)

Disregarding all of that established military and LE use listed above, popping a Safe-T-Block out from behind the trigger of a Glock does not place the finger near the front of the trigger, no safety issue is present at all IMO.

You're comparing rifles that are used in combat (and are likely carried safety off at almost all times when in use).. I never have my Mini on Safe, for the exact reasons I've stated in this thread.

OK, I was going to quit but here you go. My department doens't advertise what we are issued, safety devices, weapons etc. Why would they? You can't have a ND if you never put your finger on the trigger until ready to fire.

OK.. and? Your department doesn't... I can give you many examples of Dept's that do... Indiana State Police had a big article in the local paper when they switched from Berettas to Glocks, Oakland PD had an article in their paper when they went from Gen 3 Glocks, to Gen 4 Glocks, then an article on going back to the Gen 3 Glocks, because of problems w/ the Gen 4's...

There's countless other examples.

Now who is grasping at straws? Nobody was discussing "Your" Dept, it was a general question you responded to.

barstoolguru
06-21-2011, 11:48
Because it's a "safety" that is in the triggerguard? So you have to put your finger very close to the trigger, if not ON the trigger, to disable it. Finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.... one of those pesky firearm safety rules we should all follow.

NO.... you dislodge it by placing your finger across the trigger guard and with a sight movement it pops out

Ruggles
06-21-2011, 11:48
"You're comparing rifles that are used in combat (and are likely carried safety off at almost all times when in use).. I never have my Mini on Safe, for the exact reasons I've stated in this thread"


Just responding to this post from you:

"No Dept, Military, etc.. would train their officers to put their finger anywhere near the trigger, until they were ready to pull the trigger"

They have and continue to do so is my point. I think you statement about the Safe-T Block making a gun less safe flys in the face of convectional wisdom, I bet Plaxico would agree :rofl:

barstoolguru
06-21-2011, 11:53
If you are saying the saf-t-blok is Unsafe you need to show some means of supporting your accusation because there is a lot of us that don’t see it but just the opposite.
Someone said something about a MIC (minimum inside carry) holster. I looked it up and here is a link to a you-tube video and they show how it works. It looks like a great idea but one of the things I noticed is that it can’t be used with a holster. He tucks the gun in his pants. That’s great for short term carry but over the course of a day the gun will rub you raw. Another thing is it can’t be used with a laser or light accessory

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYC_Un8pPnA

Bill Lumberg
06-21-2011, 12:14
The list of things that are immediately and obviously unsafe is long. If you didn't know that throwing gas on a fire was a bad idea upon first consideration, you'd be unlikely to be enlightened by any amount of explaining from more thoughtful folks. Like drunk driving, you can do it and still be successful. That doesn't change that it's a glaringly bad idea. The MIC and cripdraw follow suit.

IndyGunFreak
06-21-2011, 12:30
"You're comparing rifles that are used in combat (and are likely carried safety off at almost all times when in use).. I never have my Mini on Safe, for the exact reasons I've stated in this thread"


Just responding to this post from you:

"No Dept, Military, etc.. would train their officers to put their finger anywhere near the trigger, until they were ready to pull the trigger"

They have and continue to do so is my point. I think you statement about the Safe-T Block making a gun less safe flys in the face of convectional wisdom, I bet Plaxico would agree :rofl:

Do troops attempt to disable safeties while under stress of combat?

Read what I said, and not what you want me to have said.

IGF

barstoolguru
06-21-2011, 12:31
The list of things that are immediately and obviously unsafe is long. If you didn't know that throwing gas on a fire was a bad idea upon first consideration, you'd be unlikely to be enlightened by any amount of explaining from more thoughtful folks. Like drunk driving, you can do it and still be successful. That doesn't change that it's a glaringly bad idea. The MIC and cripdraw follow suit.


the last time I checked there is a big ol’ sticker on the pump that says “highly flammable” for people that don’t know it is and the drunk driver is warned all the time of the consequences but the saf-t-blok and the mic holster never say “ do not use-unsafe”
anywhere on them and as far as I know there is no law suits against the mfg’s of these products.
You are making statements on personal choice and are showing nothing to support them

BailRecoveryAgent
06-21-2011, 12:40
I always thought that the people who think items like the safe t block are a good idea would be first year carry noobs, people that go to the range once a year, or people that have no idea that you don't have to put your finger on the trigger every time you handle a firearm.

Ruggles
06-21-2011, 12:45
I always thought that the people who think items like the safe t block are a good idea would be first year carry noobs, people that go to the range once a year, or people that have no idea that you don't have to put your finger on the trigger every time you handle a firearm.

Plenty of folks use that product and I would bet a few are a bit more experienced with firearms than many of the nay sayers. I think labeling someone who use a Safety-T-Blcok as someone who does not have any proficiency with firearms is pretty closed minded. :dunno:

Ruggles
06-21-2011, 12:50
Do troops attempt to disable safeties while under stress of combat?

Read what I said, and not what you want me to have said.

IGF

Yeah I would imagine a few troops have had to disengage safeties on the mentioned rifles under stress :rofl: I imagine a few LEOs have had to as well. :wavey:

Now you are dancing around what you said, and you are not dancing well :tongueout:

No big deal, you don't like Safe-T-Blocks, do not use one. They do not make the gun less safe due to their placement. Where you place your finger to remove one is not enough near the face of the Glock trigger to cause an issue.

Ryobi
06-21-2011, 12:54
Plus one Lumberg and Bailrecovery.

Ruggles
06-21-2011, 12:59
:rofl:

The internet, full of folks who not only know more than you (regardless of your personal experience) but are happy to tell you that you are a unsafe fool for using something they do not endorse. :tongueout:

IndyGunFreak
06-21-2011, 13:10
No big deal, you don't like Safe-T-Blocks, do not use one. They do not make the gun less safe due to their placement.

I guess we'll just agree to disagree, cuz obviously we see things VERY differently... FWIW though, there's a huge difference between weapon carried on safe w/ a THUMB safety (by an LEO) and a weapon kept "safe" with some gimmick shoved behind the trigger.

IGF

BailRecoveryAgent
06-21-2011, 13:11
Plenty of folks use that product and I would bet a few are a bit more experienced with firearms than many of the nay sayers. I think labeling someone who use a Safety-T-Blcok as someone who does not have any proficiency with firearms is pretty closed minded. :dunno:

And I could rebutt by saying the assumption that those that do use the safe t block have more experience with firearms than the naysayers is pretty close minded.

I will gladly call something unsafe if I believe at my core that it is, no matter how many people claim its a magic anti negligent discharge device.

For crying out loud, it looks like something some anti gun group would endorse to get laws written forcing people to put them on their carry guns.

You guys could call it the Brad Y Block!:rofl:

Ruggles
06-21-2011, 13:25
:rofl:

So the guys who want/use one do not claim the Glock without one is unsafe but some of the guys who hate/do not use one claim the Glock is unsafe with one. Hmmm...


your comment:

"I always thought that the people who think items like the safe t block are a good idea would be first year carry noobs, people that go to the range once a year, or people that have no idea that you don't have to put your finger on the trigger every time you handle a firearm."

my comment:

"Plenty of folks use that product and I would bet a few are a bit more experienced with firearms than many of the nay sayers. I think labeling someone who use a Safety-T-Blcok as someone who does not have any proficiency with firearms is pretty closed minded"

Notice how yours in all inclusive of people who use this device while mine is not all inclusive.....

as I said closed minded :tongueout:

Ruggles
06-21-2011, 13:29
I guess we'll just agree to disagree, cuz obviously we see things VERY differently... FWIW though, there's a huge difference between weapon carried on safe w/ a THUMB safety (by an LEO) and a weapon kept "safe" with some gimmick shoved behind the trigger.

IGF

Where did thumb safeties enter the debate? I prefer them myself but I am not sure when they came up :dunno:

Your continued references to LEOs and military perplex me, they operate under a entirely different set of SOPs than I or you do. :dunno:

barstoolguru
06-21-2011, 13:39
:rofl:

So the guys who want/use one do not claim the Glock without one is unsafe but some of the guys who hate/do not use one claim the Glock is unsafe with one. Hmmm...


your comment:

"I always thought that the people who think items like the safe t block are a good idea would be first year carry noobs, people that go to the range once a year, or people that have no idea that you don't have to put your finger on the trigger every time you handle a firearm."

my comment:

"Plenty of folks use that product and I would bet a few are a bit more experienced with firearms than many of the nay sayers. I think labeling someone who use a Safety-T-Blcok as someone who does not have any proficiency with firearms is pretty closed minded"

Notice how yours in all inclusive of people who use this device while mine is not all inclusive.....

as I said closed minded :tongueout:

:popcorn::popcorn: :brickwall: let me know if you need my help :rofl:

IndyGunFreak
06-21-2011, 13:41
Yeah I would imagine a few troops have had to disengage safeties on the mentioned rifles under stress :rofl: I imagine a few LEOs have had to as well. :wavey:.

They weren't in the debate till you brought them up. LEO's don't use a Dum-Y-Blok, they use a thumb safety. I have no issue w/ Thumb Safeties... do I use them? No... but I'd much rather someone use a thumb safety, than some crazy gimmick.

Your point about their SOP's, just proved my point. You showed several rifles that are common COMBAT (or in sport).. which are traditionally carried OFF SAFE, so where the safety is, is irrelevant. They are only kept on safe, while "in the rear". Those safeties are not disengaged under stress, like a Dum-Y-Blok

BailRecoveryAgent
06-21-2011, 13:42
:rofl:
your comment:

"I always thought that the people who think items like the safe t block are a good idea would be first year carry noobs, people that go to the range once a year, or people that have no idea that you don't have to put your finger on the trigger every time you handle a firearm."

my comment:

"Plenty of folks use that product and I would bet a few are a bit more experienced with firearms than many of the nay sayers. I think labeling someone who use a Safety-T-Blcok as someone who does not have any proficiency with firearms is pretty closed minded"

Notice how yours in all inclusive of people who use this device while mine is not all inclusive.....

as I said closed minded :tongueout:

I said, "I always thought", meaning its now clear I was wrong originally, its not just the inexperienced noobs falling for the gimmick afterall.

I'd rather be called close minded than to be so open minded that I fail to recognize that basic first year firearm handling skills will prevent ND's more often than $13 plastic feel good ebay trigger block safeties.

barstoolguru
06-21-2011, 14:13
I said, "I always thought", meaning its now clear I was wrong originally, its not just the inexperienced noobs falling for the gimmick afterall.

I'd rather be called close minded than to be so open minded that I fail to recognize that basic first year firearm handling skills will prevent ND's more often than $13 plastic feel good ebay trigger block safeties.

at no point did we/me ever say it would, what I did say is in conjunction with training the saf-t-blok aids in higher level of safety.

Some one that pulls there gun and had to point it in the line of duty saf-t-blok would not be there first choice but to someone that carries more and draws less it is a sound option

Ruggles
06-21-2011, 14:19
They weren't in the debate till you brought them up. LEO's don't use a Dum-Y-Blok, they use a thumb safety. I have no issue w/ Thumb Safeties... do I use them? No... but I'd much rather someone use a thumb safety, than some crazy gimmick.

Your point about their SOP's, just proved my point. You showed several rifles that are common COMBAT (or in sport).. which are traditionally carried OFF SAFE, so where the safety is, is irrelevant. They are only kept on safe, while "in the rear". Those safeties are not disengaged under stress, like a Dum-Y-Blok

You are the one that brought the military and police into a thread about the civilian use of a device. I just showed you that you were incorrect in what you said. Regardless of how the gun is carried by the solider/officer the training you denied occurs does indeed occur in both the military and law enforcement fields. Therefore you were incorrect in your statement. :tongueout:

Now every one using the Safe T Block is a dummy huh. :upeyes:

Ruggles
06-21-2011, 14:27
I said, "I always thought", meaning its now clear I was wrong originally, its not just the inexperienced noobs falling for the gimmick afterall.

I'd rather be called close minded than to be so open minded that I fail to recognize that basic first year firearm handling skills will prevent ND's more often than $13 plastic feel good ebay trigger block safeties.

Why do I get the feeling if that was you original intent with your post you have not changed your mind about who uses this device :rofl:

How about the basic firearm handling and the Safety-T-Block, they do not have to be used exclusively :tongueout:

Hmmmmmm I guess since no firearms will fire without the trigger being pulled then no firearms need safeties at all correct? :tongueout:

BailRecoveryAgent
06-21-2011, 15:34
at no point did we/me ever say it would, what I did say is in conjunction with training the saf-t-blok aids in higher level of safety.
That is your opinion based on nothing more than the fact you don't seem to trust yourself with a firearm without shooting yourself or someone else.
Some one that pulls there gun and had to point it in the line of duty saf-t-blok would not be there first choice but to someone that carries more and draws less it is a sound option

Proper gun handling procedure isn't just for professionals, safe gun handling is the same for everyone. It sounds like you need less time at the barstool and more time at the range.

Why do I get the feeling if that was you original intent with your post you have not changed your mind about who uses this device :rofl:
I didn't change my mind, I had to make the point I was making easier for you to understand. I thought only noobs would use it, as it turns out, PT Barnum was right all along.
How about the basic firearm handling and the Safety-T-Block, they do not have to be used exclusively :tongueout:
If you're using the first, you should not have any reason to be fooling around with the second.
Hmmmmmm I guess since no firearms will fire without the trigger being pulled then no firearms need safeties at all correct? :tongueout:

If you spent more time reading the replies and less time finding places to insert multiple smilies, you'd see that safeties aren't being called into question here, a product that is marketed to people who don't seem to know better is being challenged.

Whats next, carrying with a snap cap chambered and another snap cap following it? You know, just to be sure you don't accidently shoot yourself or someone else.

IndyGunFreak
06-21-2011, 16:25
You are the one that brought the military and police into a thread about the civilian use of a device. I just showed you that you were incorrect in what you said. Regardless of how the gun is carried by the solider/officer the training you denied occurs does indeed occur in both the military and law enforcement fields. Therefore you were incorrect in your statement. :tongueout:

Where? I was quoting another post, and answering that post. Read the thread.

Now every one using the Safe T Block is a dummy huh. :upeyes:

Walks like a duck, talks like a duck.....

IGF

Bill Lumberg
06-21-2011, 17:54
Walk away Indy. If folks like them, more power to them. I figure the risk is more likely to affect the user than anyone else. To each his own.

barstoolguru
06-21-2011, 18:31
Proper gun handling procedure isn't just for professionals, safe gun handling is the same for everyone. It sounds like you need less time at the barstool and more time at the range.



If you spent more time reading the replies and less time finding places to insert multiple smilies, you'd see that safeties aren't being called into question here, a product that is marketed to people who don't seem to know better is being challenged.

Whats next, carrying with a snap cap chambered and another snap cap following it? You know, just to be sure you don't accidently shoot yourself or someone else.



“What we have here is a failure to communicate” (cool hand Luke- Paul Newman 1967):perfect10:
If you don’t want to use one that cool but never think you are above an AD because you train as I posted in this thread that cops that possibly that have more training then you have them. :supergrin:
By the way I rather be on the barstool then “In a state of confusion & disbelief” had I seen this earlier I would have realized that there is no “Happy ending” here in this thread because you are confused and do not believe :tongueout:

Ruggles
06-21-2011, 18:33
Where? I was quoting another post, and answering that post. Read the thread.



Walks like a duck, talks like a duck.....

IGF

Post #90 you clearly said no military or law enforcement would train their members to place their finger near a trigger until they were going to fire. I simply proved you wrong. :tongueout:

And if you say only dummies would use a Safe-T-Block it must be true, of course making up silly insulting name for it also helps you point :rofl:

Ruggles
06-21-2011, 18:38
Proper gun handling procedure isn't just for professionals, safe gun handling is the same for everyone. It sounds like you need less time at the barstool and more time at the range.



If you spent more time reading the replies and less time finding places to insert multiple smilies, you'd see that safeties aren't being called into question here, a product that is marketed to people who don't seem to know better is being challenged.

Whats next, carrying with a snap cap chambered and another snap cap following it? You know, just to be sure you don't accidently shoot yourself or someone else.


1. I like my little emotes :tongueout: They keep things in perspective.
2. Good to see you admit your closed minded outlook on this matter from start to now.
3. You point that the Glock does not need any additional safeties (I agree it does not need them) because as long as you keep you finger from pulling the trigger it will not fire can be applied to all firearms in production today. Therefore none of them need safeties, yet a majority of them have them, why?

........because they can indeed make the weapon safer but never make it less safe......:tongueout:

IndyGunFreak
06-21-2011, 20:03
Post #90 you clearly said no military or law enforcement would train their members to place their finger near a trigger until they were going to fire. I simply proved you wrong. :tongueout:

And if you say only dummies would use a Safe-T-Block it must be true, of course making up silly insulting name for it also helps you point :rofl:

Do I have to do everything for you? If I could type slow to make you understand, I would. Unfortunately, I'll just have to hope this brief recap will make you see who brought up the police/military.

Post #83 (to my knowledge, the first time in this thread the police/military were mentioned)
http://www.clipdraw.com/store/index.php?rn=396&action=show_detail

For the second time.....yes, you do.

Please name one police agency, military unit, security company, or professional training facility that advocates the use of this device.

Post #88 (which quoted #83 as a response, lbwfl has already said later in the thread, he was referring to "his" department, but more on that later
I've fired hundreds of rounds with each initial shot having the blok installed. I have never put my finger behind the trigger, just on it. I don't think they advertise that they use things just like you don't see them telling you what weapon they carry. The OP wanted opinions, he got them. You have obviously made up your mind without trying the thing so get over it already. Don't argue with me about a device I own and use and you don't.

My reply at #90, explaining that if some military/police unit did issue/require this device, they would be using it in their advertising.
They don't advertise it, because they do not exist. No Dept, Military, etc.. would train their officers to put their finger anywhere near the trigger, until they were ready to pull the trigger.

Do you think if some PD or Military, etc.. issued/recommended/required the Dum-Y-Blok for their personnel, that the company would not use that as part of their advertising? Of course they would.

Then in post #97, I responded to your post (#96)... with this... I won't bother quoting what you said, since I assume you know what you said.
There's a difference between IN FRONT OF and IN the trigger guard.

I don't see how LE using the device or not is relevant either to be truthful, but lwbfl seems to think it is, since he suggested there are likely agencies that issue/require it, and do not tell anyone... I simply gave him a counter point to that.

Post #99, lwbfl replied:

LOL, now your just making things up. Show me where anyone said anyone issues or requires it.

Post #101, my response to #99
You responded to a post asking for proof of one Police, Military, etc.. agency that issues this device, and you responded w/ the above (reference post #88, since I'm not gonna double quote)...

How can I draw any other conclusion based on what you said? You're also wrong about Depts not releasing info about the weapons they carry. There are frequently press releases when Dept's switch weapons, many of which run in the newspaper.

Post 102 and 104 I won't bother repeating again, but they would be educational reading for you at this point...

Post #106, a complete fabrication of what was actually said, but that's irrelevant to your misunderstanding.
OK, I was going to quit but here you go. My department doens't advertise what we are issued, safety devices, weapons etc. Why would they? You can't have a ND if you never put your finger on the trigger until ready to fire.

Finally, my post #107
OK.. and? Your department doesn't... I can give you many examples of Dept's that do... Indiana State Police had a big article in the local paper when they switched from Berettas to Glocks, Oakland PD had an article in their paper when they went from Gen 3 Glocks, to Gen 4 Glocks, then an article on going back to the Gen 3 Glocks, because of problems w/ the Gen 4's...

There's countless other examples.

Now who is grasping at straws? Nobody was discussing "Your" Dept, it was a general question you responded to.

I hope this finally clears this up for you, but I doubt it.

I think I'll take Bills advice and simply bow out, you folks can't follow a discussion, it's hard to explain things over and over.

lwbfl
06-21-2011, 20:41
I"ve been a LEO for over 16 years and use the block in my back up weapon. Several people I know who carry concealed also use the device. All are experienced LEOs of some sort. I'm also a Firearms trainer for two different organizations and have plenty of experience with all types of firearms. I also have two degrees although they have nothing to do with the Sat-T-Blok, I'm hardly a noob, novice or dummy.

My Dept requires us to carry a duty weapon with an external safety and yes we have to disengage it under stress. When I was in the military we always carried our guns on safe unless we were in a firefight.

I've also come to realize that certain people do not care about others experience, but only when they disagree. Then they are right about everything, and the other guy is a dunce!

Ruggles
06-21-2011, 21:03
Do I have to do everything for you? If I could type slow to make you understand, I would. Unfortunately, I'll just have to hope this brief recap will make you see who brought up the police/military.

Post #83 (to my knowledge, the first time in this thread the police/military were mentioned)


Post #88 (which quoted #83 as a response, lbwfl has already said later in the thread, he was referring to "his" department, but more on that later


My reply at #90, explaining that if some military/police unit did issue/require this device, they would be using it in their advertising.


Then in post #97, I responded to your post (#96)... with this... I won't bother quoting what you said, since I assume you know what you said.


Post #99, lwbfl replied:



Post #101, my response to #99


Post 102 and 104 I won't bother repeating again, but they would be educational reading for you at this point...

Post #106, a complete fabrication of what was actually said, but that's irrelevant to your misunderstanding.


Finally, my post #107


I hope this finally clears this up for you, but I doubt it.

I think I'll take Bills advice and simply bow out, you folks can't follow a discussion, it's hard to explain things over and over.

Wow you put alot of work and thought into that reply, insults and all :supergrin:

That being said it still does not change what you wrote in the post I quoted, if in operation of the firearms if it is necessary to place your finger near the trigger to disengage the trigger that is what is taught. Placing your finger near the trigger is not a violation on any safety rule. Placing your finger on face of the trigger so it can be manipulated rearward to fire is. This device does not require that in any way shape or form. :tongueout:


Regardless of all of that why can't some of the anti Safety-T-Block guys just say "I don't like it and I think it is not needed" instead of insulting those who use it and implying they are some how ignorant of proper firearms handling? :dunno:

That is the childish actions that prolong these debates well past their usefulness IMO. Not going to reread the whole thread but did anybody ever say that those not using this device were acting unsafely? Or that they were somehow not properly handling their firearms or lacked the knowledge to do so? Not that I know of, the attacks were very much one way from what I have seen. :wavey:

Ruggles
06-21-2011, 21:10
I"ve been a LEO for over 16 years and use the block in my back up weapon. Several people I know who carry concealed also use the device. All are experienced LEOs of some sort. I'm also a Firearms trainer for two different organizations and have plenty of experience with all types of firearms. I also have two degrees although they have nothing to do with the Sat-T-Blok, I'm hardly a noob, novice or dummy.

My Dept requires us to carry a duty weapon with an external safety and yes we have to disengage it under stress. When I was in the military we always carried our guns on safe unless we were in a firefight.

I've also come to realize that certain people do not care about others experience, but only when they disagree. Then they are right about everything, and the other guy is a dunce!

Stop with the real world experience already, it means nothing :rofl:

BTW we carried our weapons on safe when I served as well, damn government was trying to get me killed by doing so :rofl:

BailRecoveryAgent
06-21-2011, 21:41
“What we have here is a failure to communicate” (cool hand Luke- Paul Newman 1967):perfect10:
If you don’t want to use one that cool but never think you are above an AD because you train as I posted in this thread that cops that possibly that have more training then you have them. :supergrin:
By the way I rather be on the barstool then “In a state of confusion & disbelief” had I seen this earlier I would have realized that there is no “Happy ending” here in this thread because you are confused and do not believe :tongueout:

The confusion and disbelief come from the stuff I read on internet gun forums. Although now, nothing surprises me anymore.

I've never said that I was above a ND, I'm just not going to rely on something as ridiculous as a behind trigger plastic safe t block to try to avoid one. I will stick with my current routine of careful, mindful holstering and unholstering. When cops have ND's, who most definitely have more training than I do, its because they got careless and lazy with proper gun handling discipline, but thats the case with anyone having ND's, not just cops or trained professionals.

BailRecoveryAgent
06-21-2011, 21:59
1. I like my little emotes :tongueout: They keep things in perspective.
2. Good to see you admit your closed minded outlook on this matter from start to now.
3. You point that the Glock does not need any additional safeties (I agree it does not need them) because as long as you keep you finger from pulling the trigger it will not fire can be applied to all firearms in production today. Therefore none of them need safeties, yet a majority of them have them, why?

........because they can indeed make the weapon safer but never make it less safe......:tongueout:

Plenty of weapons are better suited with a manual safety than without. Would you like to carry a cocked 1911 with a light single action trigger without one? I wouldn't. But a Glock, like many other striker fired autos, are safe to carry without them. I would rather see a Glock with one of those hideous aftermarket thumb safeties than with something that is questionable at best. Again, thumb safeties, grip safeties weren't being called into question here, a rinky dink fad item was.

Like Indy and Bill, I'm going to bow out of this discussion. Clearly I will never believe the safe t block is worth the $13 and those that think it is will likely not change their minds either. I'm tired, hungry, and burnt up from sitting in a car all day with no AC and am gonna kick back and watch the premiere of "Falling Skies" while enjoying a few cups of strong black coffee as the AC in my theater room cools me off.

Ruggles
06-21-2011, 22:41
Plenty of weapons are better suited with a manual safety than without. Would you like to carry a cocked 1911 with a light single action trigger without one? I wouldn't. But a Glock, like many other striker fired autos, are safe to carry without them. I would rather see a Glock with one of those hideous aftermarket thumb safeties than with something that is questionable at best. Again, thumb safeties, grip safeties weren't being called into question here, a rinky dink fad item was.

Like Indy and Bill, I'm going to bow out of this discussion. Clearly I will never believe the safe t block is worth the $13 and those that think it is will likely not change their minds either. I'm tired, hungry, and burnt up from sitting in a car all day with no AC and am gonna kick back and watch the premiere of "Falling Skies" while enjoying a few cups of strong black coffee as the AC in my theater room cools me off.

Fair enough :wavey:

I have that showed on the DVR but have not seen it yet, looking forward to it. :supergrin:

Tapeuup
06-22-2011, 00:21
I don't think so
don't trust your gun?
then don't carry a gun you can't trust

barstoolguru
06-22-2011, 07:36
could a safety devise stopped these AD's, might have some as far as I am concerned if it stopped one that was better then none.... $13.00 is a small price to pay for a life

http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/accidental-shootings/featured/4

note: I did not seek these out they popped up when searching for something else but I thought they were worth sharing ....................:rant:

H&K 4 LIFE
06-22-2011, 10:50
could a safety devise stopped these AD's, might have some as far as I am concerned if it stopped one that was better then none.... $13.00 is a small price to pay for a life

http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/accidental-shootings/featured/4


Once more, there are yet again many things wrong with the "examples" in that link.

1. Many of those instances are of minors either carrying firearms (illegal) or having unauthorized access to them. The parents/adults are the ones responsible and should have better secured their firearms. A child shooting another person or themselves is not an accident, it is neglect on the part of the adult who was responsible for the firearm's safe storage. And if you are implying a loaded firearm with a safety block that is left unsecured where children can gain unauthorized access to it is an acceptable form of safe and secure storage then let me be the first to point out that is almost the very definition neglect.

2. Many instances of negligent methods of carry including but not limited to...

... a handgun accidentally went off as he slipped it into his waistband...3. No specific mention of Glock anywhere on the page. So can these examples, somehow, even be construed as evidence in support of using a safety block? No.

Thus far in this thread, in not one example you have provided can these "accidents" not be boiled down to plain negligence.

And although you continue to assume things, unless you have some sort of crystal ball, saying a safety block would have prevented any of them is nothing but pure speculation on your behalf. There is what did happen and what did not happen, nothing more. Your assumptions about what could have happened do not equate to any measure of actual proof.

...You are making statements on personal choice and are showing nothing to support them

You accuse others of making decisions based on personal choice (as if that were a bad thing) without evidence to back it up. However, you fail to recognize you are doing precisely the same thing.

I for one find that pretty ironic.

barstoolguru
06-22-2011, 11:39
[QUOTE=H&K 4 LIFE;17529837]Once more, there are yet again many things wrong with the "examples" in that link.

And although you continue to assume things, unless you have some sort of crystal ball, saying a safety block would have prevented any of them is nothing but pure speculation on your behalf. There is what did happen and what did not happen, nothing more. Your assumptions about what could have happened do not equate to any measure of actual proof.


all it has to do is prevent one.... just one and we all feel better


quote:Many instances of negligent methods of carry including but not limited to...
... a handgun accidentally went off as he slipped it into his waistband

The mfg of a glock say nothing about how to carry or where so who is to say that slipping in your waist band is wrong. mic mini holster promotes it in there you-tube video

Quote: Many of those instances are of minors either carrying firearms (illegal) or having unauthorized access to them. The parents/adults are the ones responsible and should have better secured their firearms. A child shooting another person or themselves is not an accident; it is neglect on the part of the adult who was responsible for the firearm's safe storage
A safety measure of any kind could have prevented this

Quote: No specific mention of Glock anywhere on the page. So can these examples, somehow, even be construed as evidence in support of using a safety block? No.

You are correct in all the articles there is no mention of the makers of any guns (jeeze I wonder why?) but if a cop drops a gun when using the bathroom and it goes off and hits someone (it was one of the articles I posted) you can almost bet that it is a glock. Would a saf-t-blok stopped it chances are very good it would

H&K 4 LIFE
06-22-2011, 12:30
...The mfg of a glock say nothing about how to carry or where so who is to say that slipping in your waist band is wrong. mic mini holster promotes it in there you-tube video

For starters, not one well recognized self-defense expert espouses carrying a handgun without a holster of some variety that safely and securely holds the handgun.

In addition, going by a good deal of the examples you yourself provided, we can see that holster-less (negligent) methods of carry are responsible for many handguns being dropped. So by this fact alone, any logical thinking individual can easily conclude that simply slipping the gun into your waistband without a proper holster is a poor choice.

A safety measure of any kind could have prevented thisYou seem to conveniently ignore that the root of the problem is kids had access to these firearms due to negligence on the part of parents/adults who are responsible for their safe and secure storage. A safety block on a loaded pistol where a child can still gain access to it does not qualify as safe or secure storage. If you think otherwise, then your line of thinking is both reckless and naive.

Once again, do you have a crystal ball? There is no way you can say with any degree of certainty that a safety block could have prevented those children from injuring themselves or someone else. Furthermore, we are not discussing, nor am I addressing, the broad array of "safety measures" available for firearms, we are specifically discussing the supposed merits of the safety block for the Glock pistol.

If there are orange cones in the road and I tell you they are not orange, they are in fact green, they still do not change color no matter how much I opine to you that they are green. Your opinions and speculation about what could have happened do not equate to fact.

barstoolguru
06-22-2011, 13:20
For starters, not one well recognized self-defense expert espouses carrying a handgun without a holster of some variety that safely and securely holds the handgun.
like I said no mfg of and hand gun ever said that the only way to carry their gun is in a holster and they are experts

In addition, going by a good deal of the examples you yourself provided, we can see that holster-less (negligent) methods of carry are responsible for many handguns being dropped. So by this fact alone, any logical thinking individual can easily conclude that simply slipping the gun into your waistband without a proper holster is a poor choice.

if I remember right 6 of the examples that are provided in earlier posts were police offices with proper holsters having AD's .

You seem to conveniently ignore that the root of the problem is kids had access to these firearms due to negligence on the part of parents/adults who are responsible for their safe and secure storage. A safety block on a loaded pistol where a child can still gain access to it does not qualify as safe or secure storage. If you think otherwise, then your line of thinking is both reckless and naive.

NO it does not qualify as a storage nor does the mfg makes a claim it does but as as child safety devise it does ; have you ever seen a saf-t-blok it has a hole in it for a gun lock (EBay $6.00) that will prevent a child from an AD

Once again, do you have a crystal ball? There is no way you can say with any degree of certainty that a safety block could have prevented those children from injuring themselves or someone else. Furthermore, we are not discussing, nor am I addressing, the broad array of "safety measures" available for firearms, we are specifically discussing the supposed merits of the safety block for the Glock pistol.
if it is a glock pistol the blok will do just what it says help prevent AD's for adults or children

If there are orange cones in the road and I tell you they are not orange, they are in fact green, they still do not change color no matter how much I opine to you that they are green. Your opinions and speculation about what could have happened do not equate to fact.
like my mom would have said "what the heck does this have to do with the price of tea in china". in another words.... this makes no sence..... we are talking safety devises and you bring up green traffic cones
I find it amazing that you would stand there and say a devise made to make an Idem safer says that it's not, where is YOUR proof?

tuica
06-22-2011, 13:28
I would not alter the already safe Glock with any aftermarket device. Cheers

H&K 4 LIFE
06-22-2011, 14:54
like I said no mfg of and hand gun ever said that the only way to carry their gun is in a holster and they are experts
Convenient, seeing as then you are forced to simultaneously acknowledge the fact that Glock designed a safe pistol and did so without a safety block as part of that design. :whistling:
...like my mom would have said "what the heck does this have to do with the price of tea in china". in another words.... this makes no sence..... we are talking safety devises and you bring up green traffic conesI tried to simplify things in order for you to better understand. Apparently, my analogy was still over your head.

You are attempting to draw, by virtue of your own speculation alone, a conclusion that these ND's that already happened could have been prevented by a safety block. Yet your repeating of these assumptions time and again does not magically turn them into facts. Clear enough?

...I find it amazing that you would stand there and say a devise made to make an Idem safer says that it's not, where is YOUR proof?If you care to recall and have been paying attention, I never once said that about this "item", and as such do not need to provide any proof to either support or refute that notion with regards to the safety of this "device".

Sheepdog Scout
06-22-2011, 15:03
I would not alter the already safe Glock with any aftermarket device. Cheers

That's how I feel. Guns, like Glocks, were designed a certain way (for better or worse) and they're perfectly safe. But if your gun makes you so hesitant that you have to add some gimmick safety device to it, buy and carry a different gun. Maybe a CZ or 1911 with a manual safety. Or maybe a Beretta with a decocker/safety. Carry a 92 with it decocked in double action. And though it's unnecessary, put the safety on if you wish.

But in the end, you must do what you must do. If something like a safe t blok works for you, then it works for you.

barstoolguru
06-22-2011, 16:39
My fanny pack has a stiff holster that completely covers the trigger and beyond. It leaves the grip accessible, but that is about it. My belly band, once the G-19 is in, is rather tight and of thick elastic. Both of those seem to do the job properly. I do not holster my weapon while wearing them. I secure it in its place first while aimed at the safest place available and then put it on.

I do not wear the belly band if I know that I’ll have to place the G19 in the car safe at any point during my trip as it would require a bit of undressing to put the belly band back on.

.

I been having some fun with the diehards and their Neanderthal attitude but fact of the matter is I am liking the MIC mini holster as a safety for the belly band when I wear it.
I like the way it covers the trigger and breaks away but the ticket is how to get to break away when secure to a belly band. I might have to lose the laser and give it a try

Deaf Smith
06-22-2011, 17:30
I use a FIST holster. It also covers the trigger guard. That IS the safety.

You can pack C1 (chamber loaded) all year long and no problems. Just don and doff with the weapon in the holster. Gun in holster, safe, gun outside holster, ready to roll.

It's that simple.

As for the safety block, I don't like anything that forces me to get my finger on or near the trigger until I want it to go 'bang'.

True it makes the weapon a bit more snatch resistant (BG has a hard time figuring out that trick!) but I prefer just to keep the weapon concealed until I need it.

Deaf

Snapper2
06-22-2011, 17:58
I'll admit I've been using one in my "nightstand" glock(holstered) and in normal carry. I've had no problems with it and it did give me added confidence until I realized that if I ever had to make a quick off hand draw of the gun in the middle of night, the gun would basically be useless with the safety on the wrong side.:embarassed:

Phantom465
06-23-2011, 19:26
If you haven't seen the discussion on CCW Breakaway pants, see this thread: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1350541

These are pants with a built in pocket holster. I guess if I were going to do something unconventional like carry in my pocket, I would use the safety plug.

hikerpaddler
06-26-2011, 13:55
Next topic: .22 LR ammo- good replacement fuses for the truck? What say you?

barstoolguru
06-26-2011, 14:53
Next topic: .22 LR ammo- good replacement fuses for the truck? What say you?

before or after you shoot it?

lwbfl
06-26-2011, 15:21
Or do headlights really make my car safer? I drive real good by moonlight!

samurairabbi
06-26-2011, 16:48
Next topic: .22 LR ammo- good replacement fuses for the truck? What say you?

A .22lr cartridge cannot be used in a truck equiped with ATC fuses. If this gimmick is tried, it must be in an ATO-equiped truck.

barstoolguru
06-26-2011, 16:51
Or do headlights really make my car safer? I drive real good by moonlight!

if you are on a dirt road in the middle of nowhere...... no

samurairabbi
06-26-2011, 16:59
Or do headlights really make my car safer? I drive real good by moonlight!

Headlights can be dangerous. Using them at night can ease a sniper's target acquisition process.