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3rdgen40
06-20-2011, 04:24
I am thinking about getting a RIA "Commander" model with a 4 inch barrel.Are the shorter slides really as reliable as 5 inch ? Does that extra quarter inch in the true Commander size 4.25 inch make any difference?

BlayGlock
06-20-2011, 04:43
I carried that exact model starting out and never had any problems with good magazines.

faawrenchbndr
06-20-2011, 04:45
Are the shorter slides really as reliable as 5 inch?

As long as it's NOT a Baer!:whistling:

Manufacturers all have their dogs.

outcast1911
06-20-2011, 05:40
I carry and shoot a Springfield Champion everyday, 4 years and the only malfunction was ammo(reloads/very light load).

HexHead
06-20-2011, 05:45
I've had three Commander size 1911s and a Govt. size and they were all equally reliable. As was my 3".

The 4.25" ones will have a bushing, 4" is typically a bull barrel. I prefer the bushing.

drc767
06-20-2011, 05:59
Most people will tell you the 5" is most reliable, the 4/4.25" are pretty reliable, and anything below 4" can go either way...... That is, everything else being equal except slide length.

Olympus
06-20-2011, 07:24
I have two Commanders and they are my favorite guns. Reliability isn't even a concern to me anymore.


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PlasticGuy
06-20-2011, 07:54
As long as it's NOT a Baer!:whistling:

Manufacturers all have their dogs.
Says who? My Les Baer Concept VII was a fantastic shooter. I sold it in a fit of stupidity, and missed it so much that I recently replaced it with a stainless Baer Stinger. The Stinger shoots just as good as my old Concept VII.

While it's a little more difficult for a builder to make a 4.25" 1911 reliable, it can be done. The 3.5" 1911's are much more finicky in my experience, but that's not what we're talking about here.

BigLaw
06-20-2011, 09:08
I have always prefered the commander size models. They just feel right to me. I've never had any issues with mine.

Ruggles
06-20-2011, 09:17
Says who? My Les Baer Concept VII was a fantastic shooter. I sold it in a fit of stupidity, and missed it so much that I recently replaced it with a stainless Baer Stinger. The Stinger shoots just as good as my old Concept VII.

While it's a little more difficult for a builder to make a 4.25" 1911 reliable, it can be done. The 3.5" 1911's are much more finicky in my experience, but that's not what we're talking about here.

Baer is somewhat infamous among the groups of companies he is most associated with (Wilson, Nighthawk and Brown) for build commander sized guns that are built to specs the others do not used. Many of his 4 1/4" guns will not "slingshot" because of this (I know mine did not) while the other makers will. There have been wide spread and varied reports for a long time of reliability issue (again mine had some) with his 4 1/4" guns and this is often the reason blamed. Not saying his builds are not great just what some would say. I would buy a 5" Baer but not a 4 1/4" Baer because of my past experience.

I would also say 3" 1911s ( I have owned 5 altogether) can indeed have reliability issues that a 5" 1911 does not. Like anything else once you start modifying anything (in this case the 5" design) it can lead to issues.

I personally have a 4" that has had no issues and a number of 4 1/4" that have not either so I draw " my line" at 4" for a 1911. There are a ton of folks who have had great luck with 3" 1911s as well. :wavey:

lawdog734
06-20-2011, 10:05
I have a sig rcs that is my usual carry. No problems.

tango44
06-20-2011, 10:09
Colt Commanders 4.25 barrel, no problems at all!

Hokie1911
06-20-2011, 10:11
500 rounds through my Kobra Carry. Zero malfunctions.

Gdirty5
06-20-2011, 10:16
No problems with my sa loaded champion. It has a bull barrel with feed ramp.

CMG
06-20-2011, 13:24
I have two 3" 1911s and they both run great, so I imagine you'll be fine with the 4" RIA.

Colt Defender 9mm
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b175/pb9x19/CDefenderrw.jpg

Kimber Ultra Carry 45
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b175/pb9x19/KUCrw.jpg

polizei1
06-20-2011, 14:27
My 3" runs great after a little tweaking was done. The extractor was so loose from the factory, it wouldn't hold a round.

Road Dog
06-20-2011, 15:03
Kimber UC 100% from day one.

RD

faawrenchbndr
06-20-2011, 15:38
3" Springfield EMP,.........flawless! :supergrin:

G27RR
06-20-2011, 16:10
Of the ones I have owned...

Recommended:
4.15"
STI Ranger II .45
STI Ranger II 9mm

3"
STI Shadow .45
STI Escort .45

Not recommended:
4"
Kimber Super Carry Pro

pilsbury
06-20-2011, 17:44
+1 for the Defender.

Ruggles
06-20-2011, 17:47
Never had any issues with my New Agent or my Defender. My Defender Plus has issue but that was purchased used and I think had some good ole home gun smith work that might have screwed it up :)

bac1023
06-20-2011, 18:42
I am thinking about getting a RIA "Commander" model with a 4 inch barrel.Are the shorter slides really as reliable as 5 inch ? Does that extra quarter inch in the true Commander size 4.25 inch make any difference?

Commanders are generally very reliable.

3rdgen40
06-21-2011, 03:48
Thanks for the feedback guys.I would like to have the 4.25" with a bushing,but can't find one that fits my budget.Trying to stay under $600.

faawrenchbndr
06-21-2011, 03:53
Save up a bit longer,,........you will be glad you did

rozz421
06-21-2011, 04:44
RIA is a solid platform, My officers model has been flawless for well over 500 rnds.

Hokie1911
06-21-2011, 05:11
If you can't save up a little more, I'd look at the DE 1911C.

Olympus
06-21-2011, 05:57
American Classic Commander will easily fit your budget.


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dregotglock
06-21-2011, 08:13
I own and carry an American Classic Commander - strictly from experience with this firearm (wolf springs, hougue wraparound grips, powermags, act mags and xs bdot sights).

It handles all ammo without issue. I have used jhp, and fmj of varrying manufacturers - new and reman and it has not failed me one time in now over 1.5k rounds. Last range visit I loaded different brands and ammo weights into mags from a bucket of extras. 100% reliable.

I have 100% confidence in this as a carry weapon - not sure what else there is to say about sub 5" 1911's.

degoodman
06-21-2011, 09:25
Just like 5" guns, some run better than others, and every maker pinches a turd from time to time.

Are commander and officers size guns more sensitive to setup than a 5" gun, yes. Does that mean getting one working is an exercise in futility, absolutely not. The changes in geometry brought about by shortening the slide are well understood at this point, and quality manufacturers know what has to be done to make them reliable.

3rdgen40
06-21-2011, 18:07
If you can't save up a little more, I'd look at the DE 1911C.
I like that pistol,except for the bill board and the FCS.

Hokie1911
06-21-2011, 19:02
I like that pistol,except for the bill board and the FCS.

I could live with the billboard, and the 1911C doesn't have FCS.

3rdgen40
06-21-2011, 19:35
My bad.I was also looking at the American Classic,which does have FCS.The DE is definately high on my list at the moment.

Hokie1911
06-21-2011, 19:44
My bad.I was also looking at the American Classic,which does have FCS.The DE is definately high on my list at the moment.

I was looking at a 1911G a few days ago and the rollmark isn't that bad IMHO. I would prefer one without the FCS like Brian's though. The C only has a 4.33" barrel so no FCS.

http://www.magnumresearch.com/Expand.asp?ProductCode=DE1911C

knedrgr
06-21-2011, 21:06
Why can't they just stick to the 4.25" for a true commander barrel. Who the F was smoking the wacky tabacy and decided lets do the 4.33" barrel. WTF?! FAIL dumbazz!

3rdgen40
06-22-2011, 02:38
I was looking at a 1911G a few days ago and the rollmark isn't that bad IMHO. I would prefer one without the FCS like Brian's though. The C only has a 4.33" barrel so no FCS.

http://www.magnumresearch.com/Expand.asp?ProductCode=DE1911C
Any online dealers have these for a decent price?

faawrenchbndr
06-22-2011, 06:03
Why can't they just stick to the 4.25" for a true commander barrel. Who the F was smoking the wacky tabacy and decided lets do the 4.33" barrel. WTF?! FAIL dumbazz!

I would assume it has something to do with patents.......:whistling:

Hokie1911
06-22-2011, 06:58
Any online dealers have these for a decent price?

I would assume so. They just came out recently and I haven't seen many for sale. Pawdog just picked one up. You may want to shoot him a PM to see where he got it.

knedrgr
06-22-2011, 07:01
I would assume it has something to do with patents.......:whistling:

There's no patent on the 4.25" Commander length barrel.

faawrenchbndr
06-22-2011, 08:07
Hmmmmmm, then I wonder what the deal is?

knedrgr
06-22-2011, 08:33
Hmmmmmm, then I wonder what the deal is?

I bet you it's the metric conversion. Some dumb guy in IMI figured that 110mm (4.33") sounds pretty good, and didn't want to go down to 108mm (4.25").

3rdgen40
06-22-2011, 18:38
Is this a true Commander 4.25 inch ? I can't tell by this pic if it has a bushing or bull barrel.Anyone have one of these or a link with better pics?
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_876/products_id/411545185

3rdgen40
06-22-2011, 19:13
How 'bout this one? Anyone have any feedback on these?It's almost exactly what I want,except that the ejection port isn't lowered and flared.

knedrgr
06-22-2011, 19:33
that's a 4" bull barrel.

3rdgen40
06-23-2011, 01:42
that's a 4" bull barrel.That's what I thought,but Buds description claims a 4.25inch barrel.:dunno:

faawrenchbndr
06-23-2011, 04:53
That's what I thought,but Buds description claims a 4.25inch barrel.:dunno:

As you are now aware,.....Bud's is FAR from perfection! They have went down hill the last 2 years

CertifiedGunNut
06-23-2011, 09:22
I have a Springfield Ultra Compact with a 3.5" barrel and it has been flawless for over 2000 rounds. I say go for it!

bignuglyone
06-24-2011, 11:58
I bought a DE 1911c yesterday. They are mfg. by BUL in Israel for Magnum Research that is now owned by Kahr. It's pretty tough to keep up with whats mfg. where anymore. I've had a BUL M5 before which is a 4" double stack polymer frame .45. It was excellent quality and mirrored the Kimber, same parts (Chip McCormick) and bull barrel. The 1911 has become so popular that everybody makes them. There appears to be "some" reason for the 4.33" barrel. The Israelis aren't dumb. The DE 1911C is a bit gaudy for me and the grips are obvious Phillopine "mystery wood". Grips will be changed to hard rubber Kimber black, and some parts I have on hand will be changed out too. I could care less about the Desert Eagle "billboard".

3rdgen40
06-24-2011, 16:23
There appears to be "some" reason for the 4.33" barrel.
Any idea what the "reason" is ?

bignuglyone
06-24-2011, 17:10
Any idea what the "reason" is ?

Whatever it is it's got something to do with production costs. Kahr owns Auto Ord. that used to produce a full line of 1911's and Commanders and Pit Bulls. Kahr now produces a Auto Ord. marked/parked G.I. 1911. Who knows whats left over from Auto Ord. parts on hand. The current production DE 1911 G has forward slide serrations, the originals did not. I think they're using up on hand parts til they see what flies. But, what do I know.

knedrgr
06-24-2011, 17:19
There are no other reason than just a delta of 0.08" in barrel length. And that's not going to increase accuracy. It's just a possiblity of not holstering correctly with the added barrel length.

cowboywannabe
06-26-2011, 13:39
ive found that with the filipino guns like my RIAs and American Classic, the magazine catch is poorly fitted, and thus the magazines have a lot of slop when seated....this i felt contribulted to the FMJ feed jams on the throat.

an "over sized" or Colt Magazine Catch switched out made all the difference. held the magazine higher and with considerably less slop. guns feed properly now.