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Airborne Infantryman
06-22-2011, 19:27
See title above- I am considering making an M16A4 clone, and wanted some input as to what a good base rifle would be. Any ideas?

JTLIII
06-22-2011, 19:50
everyone will just say BCM

Ruggles
06-22-2011, 19:52
everyone will just say BCM

:rofl:

That is where I bought my 20" AR upper.


I think Stag makes a nice 20" AR as does RRA. :wavey:

glock031
06-22-2011, 20:49
Palmetto state armory (PSA) is coming out with a 20" flat top upper -w bcg and ch within the next few weeks. Not the absolute best but plenty good enough with all the right specs and customer service and at a very good price. $400.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-complete-uppers.php

I believe they use anchor harvey forged uppers and wilson arms barrels.

zhix
06-22-2011, 21:15
I would not use any upper that has the company's name/logo marked on it, such as RRA and BCM. I don't reccomend Stag anymore either after their CS screwed the pooch multiple times in fixing my rifle.

For your lower receiver, I favor the McKay lowers from NoDak Spud. I have three and built one so far without a problem. They are priced cheap but are high quality; fit seems to be average and forgings are finished as good as any others I have seen- no gouges, flash marks, etc. Plus they don't have any snakes, spiders, or deer heads on them.

Reb 56
06-22-2011, 21:33
What does the logo have to do with the quality of the weapon ?

zhix
06-22-2011, 21:50
Obviously nothing, I just don't like the look. I imagine there are some brand loyal people out there that love them though.

Reb 56
06-22-2011, 22:04
I'd say most on this forum are very loyal to BCM,am starting to feel guilty for not owning one.

Airborne Infantryman
06-22-2011, 22:15
Looked at BCMs specs; I'm probably gonna get the BCM A4, and put a rail on it. Trying to make a clone of my units SDM rifles; an A4 w/ a Trijicon ACOG TA31RCOA4 and a Harris 6-9 Bipod without swivel. I've seen or DMs touch targets a 600m like its nothing with that setup; not that I can't do that, but I just like the look of our SDM rifles.

White Buffalo
06-22-2011, 22:37
I have beat my bcm up like it owes me money and it's never coughed.

boomhower
06-23-2011, 00:23
BCM is good if they have what you want in stock. I'd have no reservations with a PSA either.

AK_Stick
06-23-2011, 00:25
If you're going to make an SDM, I'd swap the standard A-4 barrel out for something a little nicer like a White Oak Armament, or Noveske.

JBnTX
06-23-2011, 11:49
Buy the fullsize BCM A4 and put an ACOG scope on it.
Mission complete.

That's what I did, so it must be the best thing to do!:rock:

You won't find a better AR fullsize rifle.
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-M16-A4-AR15-Bravo-Company-carbine-rifle-s/146.htm

Captains1911
06-23-2011, 12:09
BCM

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e106/Captains1911/paper%20punchers/BCM20.jpg

Captains1911
06-23-2011, 12:11
Obviously nothing, I just don't like the look. I imagine there are some brand loyal people out there that love them though.

The white BCM logo on their uppers can be easily covered up with birchwood casey alumablack. I think it's silly for somebody to disregard a quality product simply because of a cosmetic logo.

Airborne Infantryman
06-23-2011, 12:32
BCM

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e106/Captains1911/paper%20punchers/BCM20.jpg

Yes. That one; that is the one I want to get. Just gotta wait for BCM to start taking orders again....

MistoGators
06-23-2011, 21:35
Good luck getting a complete one from BCM right now (or anytime soon) though.
As previously mentioned, Palmetto State Armory is coming out with a complete 20" upper as early as next week. Hard to beat for $400.

Airborne Infantryman
06-23-2011, 21:41
Good luck getting a complete one from BCM right now (or anytime soon) though.
As previously mentioned, Palmetto State Armory is coming out with a complete 20" upper as early as next week. Hard to beat for $400.

I agree. I'll have to check them out. I just had my first dealing with PSA, as I bought 420 rounds of M855 Lake City from them. Kinda impatient that my order hasn't shipped yet, but I'm sure they are busy.

bmoore
06-23-2011, 21:49
Well you saw my post today about my DPMS, I am happy with it. I use it for general purpose shooting and it will be along on some coyote hunts. I got it from MidwayUSA for 488 bucks shipped, they also make A3 flat top versions. I handled a RRA 20" A3 upper not to long ago and it was very nice. If PSA would have had a 20" A3 at the time I probably would have got it, but I really did want the A2 upper for some reason and most companies cater to the flat tops. It seems PSA gives you a lot of gun for the money. I have one of their new 16" dissipators on order so I will let you know how it shoots when I get it. The PSA uppers come complete with bolt carrier groups. I can tell you this for sure though, the 20" standard AR is a nice handling, pointing, shooting rifle. Its not gonna jump up the list over my M1A scout but it is a very nice feeling rifle in the hands. I think you will really like it, whatever you decide on.

Airborne Infantryman
06-23-2011, 21:54
Well you saw my post today about my DPMS, I am happy with it. I use it for general purpose shooting and it will be along on some coyote hunts. I got it from MidwayUSA for 488 bucks shipped, they alos make A3 flat top versions. I handled a RRA 20" A3 upper not to long ago and it was very nice. If PSA would have had a 20" A3 at the time I probably would have got it, but I really did want the A2 upper for some reason and most companies cater to the flat tops. It seems PSA gives you a lot of gun for the money. I have one of their new 16" dissipators on order so I will let you know how it shoots when I get it. The PSA uppers come complete with bolt carrier groups. I can tell you this for sure though, the 20" standard AR is a nice handling, pointing, shooting rifle. Its not gonna jump up the list over my M1A scout but it is a very nice feeling rifle in the hands. I think you will really like it, whatever you decide on.

I like that A2 you have, and I'll have to check out the Flat top version. I'd like to check out PSA as well.

bmoore
06-23-2011, 22:02
I like that A2 you have, and I'll have to check out the Flat top version. I'd like to check out PSA as well.

I have no doubt that the PSA will be quality equipment. It may be worth the wait if it is tagged 399 with 15 dollar shipping like their other stuff usually is.

Airborne Infantryman
06-23-2011, 22:12
I have no doubt that the PSA will be quality equipment. It may be worth the wait if it is tagged 399 with 15 dollar shipping like their other stuff usually is.

I agree. I figured it out, and if I get their complete classic lower, and the 20 inch upper, that's $639 plus shipping. Then get a BCM AR15/M16 A2 Rifle Stock Kit for $100, that's right under $800. Doesn't seem too bad, especially since I've heard PSA makes a solid product.

bmoore
06-23-2011, 22:19
I agree. I figured it out, and if I get their complete classic lower, and the 20 inch upper, that's $639 plus shipping. Then get a BCM AR15/M16 A2 Rifle Stock Kit for $100, that's right under $800. Doesn't seem too bad, especially since I've heard PSA makes a solid product.

That seems like a solid build.

RMTactical
06-24-2011, 10:26
everyone...just say BCM

:supergrin:

MistoGators
06-24-2011, 15:54
I agree. I'll have to check them out. I just had my first dealing with PSA, as I bought 420 rounds of M855 Lake City from them. Kinda impatient that my order hasn't shipped yet, but I'm sure they are busy.
They've been very busy lately. They sold over 2k lowers in the past few days.
If you have any questions, hit up their industry rep over on AR15.com. He's always quick to respond.