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E.McCune226
07-06-2011, 20:31
To make things clear right off of the bat:

1.) I absolutely love my g19 EXO and bought it brand new on 18 JUN 11
2.) I have put approx 600 rounds through it and thoroughly clean it obsessively after each use
3.) It is my primary off-duty carry weapon that goes with me everywhere I go in my super awesome, super comfortable Crossbreed Super Tuck (http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/IWB/tabid/56/CategoryID/1/List/0/Level/1/ProductID/1/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName)
4.) When I pulled it out yesterday, this is what I found:crying:

It looks like rust but I have no idea how it could be possible. I'm at a loss for words and I'm not sure what I should do as far as trying to clean it w/o possibly making it worse. (I am a Hoppe's #9 guy).

Anyone experience anything like this specifically on the slide of their EXO version pistol? Comments, suggestion???

THANKS!

http://mccune-photography.com/g19/001.jpg


http://mccune-photography.com/g19/002.jpg


http://mccune-photography.com/g19/003.jpg

up1911fan
07-06-2011, 20:35
WOW, that sucks.

BLau
07-06-2011, 20:40
That really sucks. Are you in a humid environment? Did moisture somehow get trapped inside the holster? Unless it can come off with the Hoppes and a toothbrush, you may have to have it refinished. I wouldn't try anything too abrasive (no metal bushes).

E.McCune226
07-06-2011, 20:46
That really sucks. Are you in a humid environment? Did moisture somehow get trapped inside the holster? Unless it can come off with the Hoppes and a toothbrush, you may have to have it refinished. I wouldn't try anything too abrasive (no metal bushes).


I live in Chicago and always wear a t-shirt between my body and the holster to keep it safe and dry from sweat. It's been in the upper 80's here the last few days but not humid at all. A soft toothbrush is a what I was thinking too but I'm not sure if the Hoppes would be considered too abrasive. Any suggestions on a very non-abrasive cleaner???

jhertzler
07-06-2011, 20:49
The guys at Failsafe -- the folks who do the finishing on guns and other things -- warranty this finish. You should be in contact with them and they will refinish it for you. I contacted them once with another matter and got a quick response. jrh

computerguy
07-06-2011, 20:54
its failzero that do the re-finish. I would contact them and have it fixed.

http://www.failzero.com/

Hope it all gets fixed for you.

CG

9L0ck
07-06-2011, 20:57
The guys at Failsafe -- the folks who do the finishing on guns and other things -- warranty this finish. You should be in contact with them and they will refinish it for you. I contacted them once with another matter and got a quick response. jrh

It is failzero that does the finish not failsafe.

BLau
07-06-2011, 21:05
I think Hoppes will be fine. It won't take the finish off.

FyreCalG17
07-06-2011, 21:12
Not being an butthole here by asking... other than looks, what is the purpose of the EXO finish if it makes the Glock finish less durable? I know nothing about EXO so I really am asking a serious question.

E.McCune226
07-06-2011, 21:13
its failzero that do the re-finish. I would contact them and have it fixed.

http://www.failzero.com/

Hope it all gets fixed for you.

CG

Fail Zero it is then. I will contact them tmrw and pray that they will work with me and offer some type of reasonable solution. The gun is just so new and I really do take good care of it so I guess I'm just shocked that something like this would even happen to a GLOCK in the first place. I saw a post on this forum earlier in the week about a Glock that was left under water in a pool for three days and it didn't even look this bad. Either way, I will contact them (keep ur fingers crossed for me)! Thanks

GoBigOrange
07-06-2011, 21:17
damn that's bizarre. I have no idea why it would do that. Please keep us updated.

dkf
07-06-2011, 21:41
I carry both my Gen3 OD glocks (switch between carrying them) IWB Galco King Tuk against my skin all day. Sweat gets all over the slide, ZERO rust or discoloration. I havn't cleaned them for weeks and never wipe the slide off with any type of oily rag or silicone cloth. Was in the low 90s today with humidity you could cut with a knife.

Cash in on the finish warrenty.

snaks911
07-07-2011, 00:32
i would talk to them about the warranty,I have to exo's and carry them in a inside the pant uncle mikes holster also (switch between carrying them) i live in south texas over here is 95'-101 hot weather and i had mine for over 2 month + and haven't had any problems with the finish.

Shasta McNasty
07-07-2011, 00:37
i've been completely unimpressed with the quality of the finish on any of the glock exo's i've seen. looks like a union worker with a paint gun applied it. i've even seen excess "fail zero" globbed up in the slide rails.

the barrels weren't even finished at all as advertised but rather just had the stock finish stripped off and there were still traces of original finish all over.

this thread just confirms my thoughts: pass.



i'd try to get exo to remedy it, then sell it. it wouldn't surprise me if they stripped the surface down far enough that they removed the tenifer treatment.

21Carrier
07-07-2011, 00:39
I was looking at two local EXOs, but that just killed it for me. I was wondering about the finish durability. Glock's tenifer finish just can't be beat, especially in the Deep South's humidity. I have a G21SF on which I sanded and polished off the black parkerizing finish (but I didn't go too deep, it still has the texture and looks almost like black chrome but a bit lighter). Apparently it's true that the tenifer is down in the metal, because I carried that gun like that for nearly 6 months with ZERO rust. Even without the black parkerization and sitting daily in a sweat soaked Don Hume holster, it looks perfect.

Sorry about your pistol, man. I'd give them one chance to fix it, then I'd trade it for a stock Glock. Nothing beats tenifer. I hope they get it sorted out for you. Those pistols really do look good.

humanguerrilla
07-07-2011, 00:56
Sucks. TALO edition?
http://www.taloinc.com/glock.htm

I run a failzeroed/EXO coated ar15 bcg and trigger groups and love them--super easy to clean and self lubricating. That is the first matte finished thing I've seen from them. I wonder if it is a different coating.

mrsurfboard
07-07-2011, 00:57
Do you take your gun out of the holster every night, or do you just leave it in and take off the holster?

Shasta McNasty
07-07-2011, 01:25
Sucks. TALO edition?
http://www.taloinc.com/glock.htm

I run a failzeroed/EXO coated ar15 bcg and trigger groups and love them--super easy to clean and self lubricating. That is the first matte finished thing I've seen from them. I wonder if it is a different coating.


the exo glock slide finishes indeed look different than fail zero's AR bcg finish. it's more of a matte finish on the glock slide, where as it's more polished and shinier on AR bcg's.

Camu Mahubah
07-07-2011, 02:09
Yah that would irk me but I know a phone call and linking them to this thread would get you satisfaction...I just hope you have a back up while this is in the mail.

Keep us updated...

E.McCune226
07-07-2011, 04:36
I was looking at two local EXOs, but that just killed it for me. I was wondering about the finish durability. Glock's tenifer finish just can't be beat, especially in the Deep South's humidity. I have a G21SF on which I sanded and polished off the black parkerizing finish (but I didn't go too deep, it still has the texture and looks almost like black chrome but a bit lighter). Apparently it's true that the tenifer is down in the metal, because I carried that gun like that for nearly 6 months with ZERO rust. Even without the black parkerization and sitting daily in a sweat soaked Don Hume holster, it looks perfect.

Sorry about your pistol, man. I'd give them one chance to fix it, then I'd trade it for a stock Glock. Nothing beats tenifer. I hope they get it sorted out for you. Those pistols really do look good.


The only reason why I actually bought the EXO model was b/c the sales rep at the gun store said that the EXO model was double coated and more durable than the standard model. I was under the impression that EXO finish was nickel boron coated over Glock's standard tenifer finish thus making it more durable. I guess I was wrong... can anyone else verify the validity of this belief?

E.McCune226
07-07-2011, 04:41
Yah that would irk me but I know a phone call and linking them to this thread would get you satisfaction...I just hope you have a back up while this is in the mail.

Keep us updated...


Linking this to an e-mail that I send them would probably help especially with all of the input and suggestions that I've gotten from everyone here at GT. I do have a gen4 g26 that I carry on-duty as a backup to my duty weapon (gen4 G17). I will definitely carry it off duty in place of this one when I send it in. In my opinion, It's always important to have a backup to the backup, LOL!

TangoFoxtrot
07-07-2011, 04:53
Sounds like an EXO finish issue, more than the holster.

rsxr22
07-07-2011, 05:31
That is nuts! Im sure it will get fixed though, FZ wont want that kind of bad press out

hunter won
07-07-2011, 05:55
Wow that sucks...I have used my Glock 19 a few times on marine patrol in the summer months, very humid, salt water being splashed a few times with minor rust on my Trijicon night sight only.I would stick with factory Glock only.

fivestar
07-07-2011, 06:25
I'll have to watch this. I picked up an EXO G26 for off duty. Mine will be worn in an MTAC holster.

glock2740
07-07-2011, 08:18
I've been CC'ing Glocks in CBST's for years and have never had an issue. I thought the Fail Zero stuff was supposed to be extremely corrosion resistant. Kinda surprised at that rust issue. Interested to see what they say and do about it.

1-2man
07-07-2011, 08:40
Just about everytime I pull my Glocks (23 & 27) from my MTac recently the whole inside of the slide is normally covered with moisture (making no contact with my skin so it must be condensation) and not a hint of rust. That's just crazy. I thought the EXO would be even more durable???

Cruiser1
07-07-2011, 08:53
From their website:



FailZero Limited Lifetime Warranty

The FailZero warranty covers products of UCT Arms for failure of the EXOTM surface against chipping, peelingor wear through that prevents the weapon from functioning or for failure of the part. The warranty is of unlimited duration. UCT will recoat the product free of charge including return shipping costs. This warranty does not cover customer abuse at any time. This express limited warranty is the only warranty on this product. This product is sold "as is" and has no implied warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose. There are no warranties which extend beyond the description on the face hereof.

Bill Lumberg
07-07-2011, 13:30
EXO's don't come from glock, they are glocks treated by another company after initial sale. Not that the OP did, but every time I see someone talking about buying an EXO, I wonder if they know they're not buying an "EXO", they're buying a glock with an aftermarket finish. Any time you grind down and refinish, you run a risk. I think the EXO finish looks great. I certainly hope this is an isolated incident.

IndyGunFreak
07-07-2011, 13:55
Not being an butthole here by asking... other than looks, what is the purpose of the EXO finish if it makes the Glock finish less durable? I know nothing about EXO so I really am asking a serious question.

I've got Glocks w/ the standard black finish that haven't been nearly as babied as you baby yours, and none of them have done that.

IGF

H&K 4 LIFE
07-07-2011, 15:07
That is truly awful. Definitely get it refinished, hopefully they will do the right thing and take care of you. I've never had a Tenifer finished Glock or HE finished HK pistol form rust like that, however...

I use and personally highly recommend Eezox for corrosion protection. For as much as I promote this stuff you would think I had stock in the company. I do not, it just flat out works! :)

http://www.6mmbr.com/i/Reader%20Photos/Rust_Test_LongTerm_640.jpg

xcrewman
07-07-2011, 19:52
I've taken a spill in the Pacific Ocean, only able to clean my G27 the next day w/no rust.

pens-66
07-07-2011, 19:59
The only reason why I actually bought the EXO model was b/c the sales rep at the gun store said that the EXO model was double coated and more durable than the standard model. I was under the impression that EXO finish was nickel boron coated over Glock's standard tenifer finish thus making it more durable. I guess I was wrong... can anyone else verify the validity of this belief?

I will have to try to find it again but there was a interview with one of the guys from failzero and that is exactly what he had said as well. The barrels are done and then somewhat polished. I wear my G19 EXO everyday and it shows no signs at all of any rust.

Seraph
07-07-2011, 20:49
That nickel boron coating should be unable to rust, and the Tenifer treated steel underneath should be really damned resistant. Given those two factors, it seems more likely that something else has gotten onto, or into, the finish on that pistol, and has rusted. Some kind of contaminant got in there during finishing. No doubt they'll refinish without argument.

farscott
07-09-2011, 11:27
A couple of possibilities:

1) During the surface prep process, metals (beads or steel wool) were used, and the residue from the prep process is actually rusting. I have seen this with both metal oxide beads used to bead blast stainless guns and people using carbon steel wool to polish stainless guns. In both cases, rust resulted.

2) Steel or iron from something else has been embedded into the holster, got transferred to the slide, and is rusting.

I would try to remove the corrosion with a product like G96 or Kroil. I would probably try Kroil as it would let me know if the finish has been perforated as it would get under the finish and remove it from the slide.

If the gun needs to be refinished, I would send it to Robar for NP3. My NP3-finished G29 got caught in a thundershower while being carried in a Sparks VM-2. I was soaked to the skin, carried it the summer heat after the rain, and did not get a chance to remove the gun from the holster for about eight hours. Gun was fine and showed no evidence of the deluge.

bushmaster4162
07-10-2011, 06:43
to make things clear right off of the bat:

1.) i absolutely love my g19 exo and bought it brand new on 18 jun 11
2.) i have put approx 600 rounds through it and thoroughly clean it obsessively after each use
3.) it is my primary off-duty carry weapon that goes with me everywhere i go in my super awesome, super comfortable crossbreed super tuck (http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/iwb/tabid/56/categoryid/1/list/0/level/1/productid/1/default.aspx?sortfield=productname,productname)
4.) when i pulled it out yesterday, this is what i found:crying:

It looks like rust but i have no idea how it could be possible. I'm at a loss for words and i'm not sure what i should do as far as trying to clean it w/o possibly making it worse. (i am a hoppe's #9 guy).

Anyone experience anything like this specifically on the slide of their exo version pistol? Comments, suggestion???

Thanks!

http://mccune-photography.com/g19/001.jpg


http://mccune-photography.com/g19/002.jpg


http://mccune-photography.com/g19/003.jpg
i also had this problem with one of my bushmaster m4a3's, i went and bought some corosion x, problem gone,forever!

texanredraider
07-13-2011, 17:36
OP, have you heard anything back about what caused this or if someone will take responsibility for fixing it?

gadsden00
07-23-2011, 16:47
update?

IlliniGlocker
07-23-2011, 16:54
I live in Chicago and always wear a t-shirt between my body and the holster to keep it safe and dry from sweat. It's been in the upper 80's here the last few days but not humid at all. A soft toothbrush is a what I was thinking too but I'm not sure if the Hoppes would be considered too abrasive. Any suggestions on a very non-abrasive cleaner???

How do you CCW in IL, let alone Chicago?!?!?!

ETA: NVM, just saw the phrase "off duty" in the OP. Guess some are above the law.

HotRoderX
07-23-2011, 17:00
How do you CCW in IL, let alone Chicago?!?!?!

ETA: NVM, just saw the phrase "off duty" in the OP. Guess some are above the law.

More then likely there a police officer

HANSOLLIG
07-23-2011, 17:33
Wow. That sucks!!!!

cowboy1964
07-23-2011, 18:09
Tenifer is not a finish, it's the metal treatment underneath the parkerized outer finish.

E.McCune226
07-24-2011, 11:34
OP, have you heard anything back about what caused this or if someone will take responsibility for fixing it?


Sorry for not updating this sooner. I contacted Fail Zero right after I got all of the amazing responses from the GT Community!!! I shared with them all of the things you guys said on this post and also sent them a link as proof. They told me that they were extremely sorry and "every once in a while, there is a bad batch". No further explanation but I got the vibe that I wasn't the only person to have contacted them about this issue. :woohoo:

Long story short, they said to send it back and they would be more than happy to rectify the problem (free of charge :thumbsup:). All in all, very pleased with their exceptional customer service!

In my opinion, still an awesome firearm and although it was slightly disappointing at first, Fail Zero coating it still a plus in my book!

E.McCune226
07-24-2011, 11:39
How do you CCW in IL, let alone Chicago?!?!?!

ETA: NVM, just saw the phrase "off duty" in the OP. Guess some are above the law.


I am a Law Enforcement Officer but never considered "above the law"... Just a normal human being just like everyone else on this forum with a job that allows me to use a firearm as one of my very many tools needed to complete my everyday job tasks such as protecting and serving people in the state of Illinois!:patriot:

Bill Lumberg
07-24-2011, 12:00
And rightly so.

Sharky7
07-24-2011, 12:33
How do you CCW in IL, let alone Chicago?!?!?!

ETA: NVM, just saw the phrase "off duty" in the OP. Guess some are above the law.

How is it "above the law"? What he is doing is legal. He is acting WITHIN the law.

Unkind
09-22-2011, 22:49
Sorry for not updating this sooner. I contacted Fail Zero right after I got all of the amazing responses from the GT Community!!! I shared with them all of the things you guys said on this post and also sent them a link as proof. They told me that they were extremely sorry and "every once in a while, there is a bad batch". No further explanation but I got the vibe that I wasn't the only person to have contacted them about this issue. :woohoo:

Long story short, they said to send it back and they would be more than happy to rectify the problem (free of charge :thumbsup:). All in all, very pleased with their exceptional customer service!

In my opinion, still an awesome firearm and although it was slightly disappointing at first, Fail Zero coating it still a plus in my book!

So did you send it back and get it refinished? Any rust now? I ask because my next purchase will be an exo/np3/robar/blahblah G19 and I plan on carrying it in a supertuck.

cowboy1964
09-22-2011, 23:15
Tenifer is a metal treatment underneath the outer finish. Just did some quick Googling and it seems like the EXO finish is supposed to be over the Tenifer treatment. Maybe not the case?

Hop66111
09-28-2011, 07:24
I purchased a new EXO G19 and had the rear of the slide tarnish. It happened when I wore the pistol close to my body in a IWB holster that did not have a protective flap. In fact you had to be careful when reholstering or you would get pinched. I contacted EXO and they said send the slide in and they would redo it free of charge. The only thing it would cost is shipping one way. Looks perfect again and I have since switched holsters. No problems so far. I am very pleased with their exceptional customer service!

G19Dep
01-27-2012, 04:52
Hmm not had any issues with mine and everyday I'm not on duty its on my hip very odd sir, but ya the EXO finish is over the Tenifer

countsk
01-29-2012, 22:46
I am a Law Enforcement Officer but never considered "above the law"... Just a normal human being just like everyone else on this forum with a job that allows me to use a firearm as one of my very many tools needed to complete my everyday job tasks such as protecting and serving people in the state of Illinois!:patriot:
Thank you for your service in a very rough part of the country.

PAGunner
01-30-2012, 01:17
That nickel boron coating should be unable to rust, and the Tenifer treated steel underneath should be really damned resistant. Given those two factors, it seems more likely that something else has gotten onto, or into, the finish on that pistol, and has rusted. Some kind of contaminant got in there during finishing. No doubt they'll refinish without argument.

This, an EXO finish isn't typically going to do this. This gun needs to be refinished. I prefer the standard glossy finish of a Glock, but wouldn't feel like I had a non-durable gun with the EXO finish.