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RustyDaleShackleford
07-14-2011, 05:43
I did forum searches for a good 15 minutes, and couldn't find what I'm looking for, so I'm gonna post.

I've got a Gen4 Glock 26, and just picked up my CHP from the Sheriff's office, so I'm ready to begin carrying.

From pictures, descriptions, and reviews, I think I want either a small-of-the-back or a crossdraw holster. I know next to nothing about holsters, and would love to hear about any holsters made for either of these positions.

I think they made SOTB holsters for IWB as well as OWB, but I'm not sure. Any input on this and preference and experience would be great.

Thanks

IT0
07-14-2011, 05:47
I am in the same boat and have found some that look good but nothing I have actually tried and liked. I like small of back and cross draw, but I also have to be able to remove and replace it easily.

This one looks good but again I have not tried it yet.

http://www.tennesseeholstercompany.com/glock.htm

DWARREN123
07-14-2011, 06:01
Most holster companies make these type. One I have just recently aquired is a Blade Tech that can be set up for strong side or cross draw, one of there less expensive kydex holsters with two belt loops.
I have also used a Don Hume strong side for cross draw, strong side for me is right handed.
Holster hunting and collecting them until you fnd the one you want. :supergrin:
OWB is usually easier but IWB conceals better in my opinion.

Chevy327
07-14-2011, 06:08
I've been interested on SOB holsters before, and what I've learned is that they are uncomfortable when I am driving or riding in a vehicle (or seated at all). Also, it seems like they would conceal well, but the way the grip is angled upward makes a crevice between the grip and my back for my shirt to come to rest in. Since the pistol is in my back, It's harder to notice. I'd constantly be feeling for the rig to make sure it's concealed. The grip angle also creates a great hook for chair backs. If someone does notice the pistol and wants to get it from the holster. It hard to defend back there. It's as available to them as it is to you. Range officers dislike them, because, when you draw, the pistol is oriented down the line. This is also true for cross-draw rigs. I didn't like it.

Cross-draw is great for someone who spends alot of time in a car. Easy to access from a seated or driving position, and it's still comfortable when you're seated. If a detective who does alot of surveillance wanted a "car system", I think it's a good idea. (more as a second or extra pistol). It's hard to get the gun in tight to your body for concealment. Day in and day out, I prefer a good pancake holster for concealment. The IWB models hide the pistol well, too. I hope you're happy with what you choose!

Chevy327
07-14-2011, 06:09
There are frequently nice holsters for sale in the classified ads here, so you can try something w/o paying brand new price!

BailRecoveryAgent
07-14-2011, 06:14
I've been interested on SOB holsters before, and what I've learned is that they are uncomfortable when I am driving or riding in a vehicle (or seated at all). Also, it seems like they would conceal well, but the way the grip is angled upward makes a crevice between the grip and my back for my shirt to come to rest in. Since the pistol is in my back, It's harder to notice. I'd constantly be feeling for the rig to make sure it's concealed. The grip angle also creates a great hook for chair backs. If someone does notice the pistol and wants to get it from the holster. It hard to defend back there. It's as available to them as it is to you. Range officers dislike them, because, when you draw, the pistol is oriented down the line. This is also true for cross-draw rigs. I didn't like it.

Pretty much sums it up right there.

Bren
07-14-2011, 06:14
I use an SOB holster sometimes when walking my dogs, but it isn't good for regular use, since it's in the way sitting down in a chair or car. Crossdraw is good for riding in a car, but has other disadvantages. Most people carry a regular strong-side holster for a reason - because it's the most practical all-purpose holster and it allows a proper draw, which is the first step in your shooting fundamentals (not just a way of getting the gun out of the holster).

RustyDaleShackleford
07-14-2011, 07:19
Ok, and thanks for the responses.

Tell me, are they different holsters for carrying ~3 o'clock or ~5 o'clock? What do they call them? I read people talking about appendix carry at around 4 or 5, but I don't know if they're different holsters or not.

jhon
07-14-2011, 07:34
Ok, and thanks for the responses.

Tell me, are they different holsters for carrying ~3 o'clock or ~5 o'clock? What do they call them? I read people talking about appendix carry at around 4 or 5, but I don't know if they're different holsters or not.


For right handers, AIWB ( appendix in waist belt ) are held at generally at noon, 1,2, positions. For left handers it would be noon, 10,11, positions

your 300 o'clock is generally right side strong , and 5 o'clock is general behind the right hip.

RustyDaleShackleford
07-14-2011, 08:38
For right handers, AIWB ( appendix in waist belt ) are held at generally at noon, 1,2, positions. For left handers it would be noon, 10,11, positions

your 300 o'clock is generally right side strong , and 5 o'clock is general behind the right hip.
Isn't your appendix towards about 4-5 o'clock on your belt line? :dunno:

Dang, I thought I had it straight.

coastal4974
07-14-2011, 08:53
I use a crossdraw position with a Remora holster and it has worked well for me.
The nice thing about the Remora is that you can pretty much put it where and how you want to find your spot.

http://remoraholsters.com/

BailRecoveryAgent
07-14-2011, 10:57
Ok, and thanks for the responses.

Tell me, are they different holsters for carrying ~3 o'clock or ~5 o'clock? What do they call them?

Typically, a holster worn in the 3 oclock position should have little to no forward cant, and holsters to be worn in the 4-5 oclock position usually have some forward cant to them.

I prefer carrying at the 3 oclock position, I have a bulged disc in my back and if I carry any further back than 3 oclock my lower back starts screamin and hollerin at me after sitting just a few minutes.

fastbolt
07-14-2011, 15:28
SOB carry on a motorcycle?!?!?

Considering the potential for falling ... onto your back .... at speed ... and with some goodly amount of force?

There's no way in the world I'd increase the potential for a lower back/spine injury by wearing a SOB holster while riding.

When I was first getting back into bikes and was carrying larger (full-size) guns, I went back to trying a lightweight shoulder rig (I stopped using them for work & off-duty several years into a plainclothes assignment) and decided it still wasn't something I desired. I pulled a slim IWB (Blade-tech) out of my collection and tried it. Nope. I tried a couple of my different OWB holsters, too, eventually settling on that method.

I eventually settled on either mostly carrying one of my J-frames (pocket holster in jacket or vest), or one of my smaller (compact/subcompact) guns in an OWB situated approx 3-4 o'clock.

I've never cared for the appendix location, myself. I ride a cruiser and find that choosing the wrong belt buckle can be noticeable over the course of a long ride, or wearing a pocket watch in my jeans watch pocket, so anything larger than that is definitely of no interest to me.

The "tactical" appendix carry method has received a resurgence of interest again in recent years. Personally, I could see it having some appeal and practicality back when holsters weren't in vogue in the 1700's and belts or sashes were all that were at hand. At least with the canted cross-draw you have the muzzle poking outboard and not down into tender & sensitive spots.

I just spent some money having the local leather shop replace the cloth pocket in my old leather zippered breast pocket with the heavy leather they use for their version of "gun pockets". I also ordered a couple of different style heavy leather vests made with leather gun pockets (mine is more than 20 years old and has become somewhat frayed and worn).

In wet & cold weather I have a reinforced/armored jacket which has outside pockets large enough (and supported enough) to hold a full-size pistol. I've done it and forgotten it was there (probably due to the way the whole jacket feels and wears ... :rofl: ).

Ride safe.

Just my thoughts.

maxniman
07-14-2011, 18:04
Isn't your appendix towards about 4-5 o'clock on your belt line? :dunno:

Dang, I thought I had it straight.


nope - it is 1-2

Jeepnik
07-14-2011, 18:27
Good comments so far, but I'd like to address one that is incorrect. When drawn correctly, the cross draw doesn't endanger those either on the firing line, or bystanders in an actual shooting.

And one plus, it is available to either your weak or strong hand. Oh, it is just as easily "defended" as a strong side holster, you just need to know how to do it. I guess I addressed three issues, sorry about that.

up1911fan
07-14-2011, 18:29
I'd stay away from SOB. Get a good IWB and a good OWB.

Kromedome
07-14-2011, 18:45
My S.O.B. holster is a Galco and I love it. However, the points made above about the practicality of sob carry are valid. Quite frankly, sob carry is a second-best-alternative no matter how you slice it. Does it have value? Absolutely. Best for day to day cc? Up to the carrying individual I'd suggest but for the most part not as practical as strong-side. However, as long as the sob holster is leather you can "train" the holster to conform to your body in the kidney position which is better all around for seated comfort and somewhat easier for a solid grip on your pistol. Stay safe.

HKLovingIT
07-14-2011, 19:56
I've been interested on SOB holsters before, and what I've learned is that they are uncomfortable when I am driving or riding in a vehicle (or seated at all). Also, it seems like they would conceal well, but the way the grip is angled upward makes a crevice between the grip and my back for my shirt to come to rest in. Since the pistol is in my back, It's harder to notice. I'd constantly be feeling for the rig to make sure it's concealed. The grip angle also creates a great hook for chair backs. If someone does notice the pistol and wants to get it from the holster. It hard to defend back there. It's as available to them as it is to you. Range officers dislike them, because, when you draw, the pistol is oriented down the line. This is also true for cross-draw rigs. I didn't like it.

Cross-draw is great for someone who spends alot of time in a car. Easy to access from a seated or driving position, and it's still comfortable when you're seated. If a detective who does alot of surveillance wanted a "car system", I think it's a good idea. (more as a second or extra pistol). It's hard to get the gun in tight to your body for concealment. Day in and day out, I prefer a good pancake holster for concealment. The IWB models hide the pistol well, too. I hope you're happy with what you choose!

Good post. That about sums that up.

BailRecoveryAgent
07-15-2011, 07:30
SOB carry on a motorcycle?!?!?

Huh?? I didn't read any mention of that.:dunno:

Mayhem like Me
07-15-2011, 07:39
Crossdraw holsters are tricky be sure if you get one to train a bunch with an unloaded gun, as you may find that breaking your wrist to get a good grip has you pointing the weapon at your stomach mid draw, I am not a fan of them except for some very particular situatins , like personal protection drivers.

if you like them and they fit your need please be careful in your training.

RustyDaleShackleford
07-15-2011, 08:24
Huh?? I didn't read any mention of that.:dunno:
I know, right?

LOL

Somebody's got motorcycles on the brain!

H&K 4 LIFE
07-15-2011, 08:32
I don't like either method...

SOB- As others pointed out, they are uncomfortable when seated and difficult to defend in the event of a gun grab. In addition, if you are pushed onto your back you will land on the gun and A) probably injure yourself and B) render the gun mostly inaccessible.

Crossdraw- Dominant hand and arm must cross your body to draw the pistol. This means your weapon arm can easily be trapped against your body by an assailant.

Just some things to consider. Do whatever works for you. :)

FAS1
07-15-2011, 08:45
SOB carry on a motorcycle?!?!?

Whew! I'm glad you guys cleared that up for me. I was re-reading to see what I missed.

I carry a G26 usually in a CBST around 4 o'clock. It seems to be the best for me so far and I have tried a lot of them from a 5.11 cross-drawl Holster Shirt to Thunderwear. Both those can be worn from time to time just like the SOB, but IWB on your strong side will probably be the best overall. In the winter when wearing a jacket of heavier shirt, I sometimes carry OWB with the Glock hoslster at 3 o'clock and it's very comfortable and for a $10.00 hoster works pretty good.

fastbolt
07-15-2011, 12:40
Huh?? I didn't read any mention of that.:dunno:

:rofl:

HA!

Yep, I mixed up this thread with another one.

That, or I do have motorcycles on the brain, as I've only recently been able to start riding mine again after a year's unwanted layoff from riding. :whistling:

My comments about SOB still apply to regular carry situations, though.

I carried either a single cuff case or a thin leather dump pouch at the SOB position on my uniform gun belt at different times before moving them away from that spot. Too much discomfort and cumulative lower back pain while riding in a patrol car. After bumping back against walls & other hard surfaces I shudder to think of the pain and potential for injury if I fell, too.

I remember attending a training class where duty belts were mandatory. I made sure mine was clear of anything over the SOB area (from years of experience and having come to wear mine that way), but a number of other guys had things positioned SOB. Once we started rolling backwards on the hard concrete range surface, from a seated position to a supine position, the sudden realization of the discomfort involved occurred to a number of guys. :whistling:

I remember watching other guys roll around on single layer vinyl mats many years ago, during DT training, and seeing them wince if they rolled across their lower backs while wearing gear on their belts over their lower backs, too.

This subject seems to come up periodically among the different forums. The responses usually fall just about evenly divided among folks who won't carry for concern over discomfort or the increased potential for lower back injury, and the folks who think it's the best thing ever. Take your pick. I've gone on at some length about what I consider the tactical & practical disadvantages, such as inaccessibility when it comes to the wearer reaching the weapon under some common conditions (like while being seated) , as well as being less able to protect the holstered weapon and deny an attacker access to it.

I can only think of one thread (from another forum) where one of the posters was able to relate an example of a close friend who had suffered a severe back injury from falling onto a holstered handgun located SOB, but the thought can be sobering.

There are holsters which I'd find acceptable for wearing under even arduous and physically strenuous conditions ... and there are holsters which I'd only consider marginally suitable for use to carry a holstered handgun from one room to next, providing nothing unexpected happened or no physical exertions were required. The SOB falls in a category more toward the second example ... for me.

Folks have to make their own informed decisions and suit themselves, though.

Luck to you in your choice. ;)

:motorcycle:

federali
07-15-2011, 14:56
You will find that cross-draw is discouraged in police agencies because of the attendant safety hazards: a right handed shooter points the gun at everyone to his left on drawing and holstering. 2nd, The shortest distance from holster to shooting stance is from the strong side. 3rd, in order to reach the cross draw, the gun must be worn forward of the hip where it is more easily exposed. 4th, with the butt forward, it is easier for a perp to disarm you in the event of a struggle or push/shove match. Yet another problem is that the gun rides where you would normally carry your spare mags.

The only advantage to a cross draw is for drivers and someone usually seated but not on a bar stool. A second advantage is that Hollywood and the TV cops look very sexy with their cross draw rigs, none of which are ever properly adjusted for the wearer.

David Armstrong
07-15-2011, 17:21
Check out Galcos models SOB and MOB for behind the back carry. FWIW, most folks that carry SOB that I've met recommend that you not carry directly over the spine, but slightly to the side of it. I know that was quite a bit more comfortable and easier to use for me.

RustyDaleShackleford
07-15-2011, 23:04
Thanks for all the responses so far, everybody.

I must admit, the reason for my interest in these two types of holsters is seeing them in movies and stuff. Not just because they're in movies, but I mean that's where I've seen them, and they seemed to look comfortable and better than the typical 3 o'clock position you see.

But as to all the comments about possible injury from falling: I can't fill one hand counting the times I've ever fallen on my back in my entire life. I think this is much more about the thought of how likely it is to happen.

Here's another question for everybody: I assume the difference between IWB and OWB is just concealability vs. comfort? Does the same also apply to SOB holsters? Is IWB or OWB preferred by y'all when it comes to this type? I'm still not ruling out the thought of getting a SOB holster, but I think I'm done with crossdraw as an option.

Thanks everybody!

David Armstrong
07-16-2011, 09:07
Thanks for all the responses so far, everybody.

I must admit, the reason for my interest in these two types of holsters is seeing them in movies and stuff. Not just because they're in movies, but I mean that's where I've seen them, and they seemed to look comfortable and better than the typical 3 o'clock position you see.
What is comfortable varies from person to person. I find 3:00 rather awkward, much preferring the area around 4:00-5:00. Some end up with a preference for appendix carry near the 1:30 mark.
But as to all the comments about possible injury from falling: I can't fill one hand counting the times I've ever fallen on my back in my entire life. I think this is much more about the thought of how likely it is to happen.
It's a big chunk of hard material. If you fall on it you will feel it no matter where it is carried. Break a rib, smash a spleen, crunch a kidney, whatever. I don't think it something worth worrying about, but it is one of the factors you should be aware of when deciding these things.

jack the toad.
07-16-2011, 09:33
Can only speak from personal experience but IMO the only holsters worse than shoulder and ankle are SOB and MOB.
And as has been stated; crossdraw is good if seated. As in behind a desk or steering wheel. And sometimes also while hunting while long gun is slung for some folks, but I'm right-handed for both long and hand gun and usually carry handgun right sided and long gun slung muzzle down on left side.
When it comes to handgun comfort, concealment and accessability, for me it's both OWB and IWB and on occasion, a pocket.

Jaron
07-19-2011, 21:10
The reason everyone has a drawer full of different holsters is that it really is the only way to find out what works for you. Some yourself some cash and try to buy them used off of different gun boards. As far as SOB carry I use when I know I won't be sitting a lot and it works great. All the talk about you hurting yourself when you fall in my opinion is a bunch of BS. If you apply that same theory to the 3:30 or 4 O'clock position then there should be a bunch of people running around with bruised and damaged kidneys. Take some time and experiment with different setups. You'll find one you like.

Jaron F.

jack the toad.
07-19-2011, 21:26
The reason everyone has a drawer full of different holsters is that it really is the only way to find out what works for you. Some yourself some cash and try to buy them used off of different gun boards. As far as SOB carry I use when I know I won't be sitting a lot and it works great. All the talk about you hurting yourself when you fall in my opinion is a bunch of BS. If you apply that same theory to the 3:30 or 4 O'clock position then there should be a bunch of people running around with bruised and damaged kidneys. Take some time and experiment with different setups. You'll find one you like.

Jaron F.

+1
Will take some effort (time and money) but the only way to find what works for you.

RustyDaleShackleford
07-20-2011, 09:40
Thanks for the input, dudes and dudettes.

BTW, didn't there used to be a sub-forum on here where users could trade or lend holsters through the mail? Or am I thinking about another forum?

BailRecoveryAgent
07-20-2011, 12:14
Thanks for the input, dudes and dudettes.

BTW, didn't there used to be a sub-forum on here where users could trade or lend holsters through the mail? Or am I thinking about another forum?

Its up in the stickies.

fastbolt
07-20-2011, 14:48
The reason everyone has a drawer full of different holsters is that it really is the only way to find out what works for you. Some yourself some cash and try to buy them used off of different gun boards. As far as SOB carry I use when I know I won't be sitting a lot and it works great. All the talk about you hurting yourself when you fall in my opinion is a bunch of BS. If you apply that same theory to the 3:30 or 4 O'clock position then there should be a bunch of people running around with bruised and damaged kidneys. Take some time and experiment with different setups. You'll find one you like.

Jaron F.

Yeah, we've all got boxes of holsters from our own personal evolution when it comes to lawful concealed carry. ;) (Or those needed for an occasional special circumstance or some other use, like competition, etc.)

Falling onto a belt holster can probably pose a slightly elevated risk of injury to the wearer regardless of where it's located, granted. Suffering an impact blow or other blunt trauma just about anywhere around the waist is probably going to be painful.

It's when the holstered weapon is located directly over the lumber spine that it seems it might potentially elevate the risk for injury in some circumstances.

Like I mentioned earlier, just being forced quickly and hard against a doorway while wearing a single cuff case on the back of my belt was enough to convince me I didn't want to fall onto it, or hit against something any harder. Seeing the results of other guys rolling backwards onto their backs, while wearing their gunbelts (and that was on mats), as if having to engage in a physical confrontation which resulted in them going to the ground, caught my attention, as well.

Me? I wouldn't want to fall onto a holstered weapon located anywhere on my body. :shocked:

If I was faced with that situation, though, I'd prefer for the holstered weapon to be over something less critical and sensitive (to the degree possible, at any rate).

Oddly enough, I always found the 3 o'clock location of my duty holster to somehow receive less direct lateral impacts than when I carried a plainclothes/off-duty holstered weapon at 4 o'clock (although the large duty holster certainly could catch on things at the front or back more easily than the plainclothes holsters, which were pulled more tightly against the body).

Since most folks seem to select concealment holsters based upon their own anticipated concealment needs (why else?), and the anticipation of just using them to carry the weapon around, and not engaging in any unexpected falls, physical altercations, sporting activities or other strenuous physical exertions, they may not consider it necessary to consider any potential increased risks due to location upon the body.

This is one of those "informed decision" situations, I'd think, which each person really needs to make for themselves, based upon their circumstances, expectations and the type of normal activities in which they're going to be realistically wearing and using the holstered weapon.

I don't sell holsters, and when I'm training folks I look more for quality of design, materials & construction, inherent safety and the user's familiarity with whatever it is that they've chosen for themselves. Can they use it safely, efficiently and effectively? Does it safely contain and secure their chosen weapon? Can they not only draw & present from it, but also safely holster & re-holster their weapon? Can they do so under some degree of elevated stress? Does the level of "retention" fit the user's level of knowledge & skillset? Things like that ...

To each their own. We all have to live with the potential consequences of our own choices and actions, right? :)

dosei
07-20-2011, 15:59
Here is a lot of good info for getting up to speed on holsters & carry (complements of Lima):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6id83qgQVic&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46EktyGjfY4&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv-9jjRFutc&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1r_JhFl8pM&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGAb3JpUigM&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEjidDyyn8U&feature=channel_video_title

...they are long...but she gives good info.

Magicmanmb
07-20-2011, 16:31
If you do a lot of sitting or driving I use a crosswdraw. I gave my SOB holster to an officer. I polish a seat a lot = crossdraw. SOB hurts your back unless your walking and in, SC nothing can be visible unless your a LEO or certified armed security on company property or armored car service.

RustyDaleShackleford
07-20-2011, 17:53
I'll get to watching some of those Lima vids.

Anybody have any Glock 26-compatible holsters that they'd be willing to loan me through the mail? If so, please PM me and let me know what you have, and let me know how I could compensate you.

Thanks

David Armstrong
07-21-2011, 07:50
from fastbolt:
Since most folks seem to select concealment holsters based upon their own anticipated concealment needs (why else?), and the anticipation of just using them to carry the weapon around, and not engaging in any unexpected falls, physical altercations, sporting activities or other strenuous physical exertions, they may not consider it necessary to consider any potential increased risks due to location upon the body.
One of the things I used to do with my LE students was have them do a front and rear fall, a side drop to each side, and a general roll around on the floor wearing whatever gear they wore and in the usual positions. Quite a few of them rearranged the gear afterward.

A small trick for all the new holster folks out there. Before investing lots of money in holsters trying to figure out what you like, you can Mexican Carry to roughly simulate any placement of an IWB holster. It's not precise but it does give an idea if 1:00 is good for you, or crossdraw, or SoB, or 4:00, etc.