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Scamp
07-16-2011, 21:53
What can I expect to pay for a very nice Universal M1 Carbine?
Any reliability, quality issues with the Universal made carbines?

Nestor
07-16-2011, 21:57
You don't want to buy Universal.
The best commercial one available was made by Plainfield.
Plainfield was one of the earliest M1 Carbine "replica" makers.
They assembled USGI parts to a newly made cast steel receiver.
Universal carbines were out of specification and many problems were reported.
I did some research couple of months ago.

Faulkner
07-17-2011, 07:12
Friends don't let friends buy Universal M1 carbines. Lots of threads on the subject, but they're just not worth the potential hasle because you have about a 50/50 chance of getting a lemon.

M2 Carbine
07-17-2011, 07:26
Don't buy a Universal. I think they are selling for about $350 now.

Decent GI Carbines are $700 and more now.

The new Kahr Carbines look good but I haven't owned one. I think they are over $500 now.

You have looked at the price of M1 Carbine ammo haven't you?
I reload so my cost is very low but factory is about $30 plus a box.

Wyoming
07-17-2011, 08:11
If M2 Carbine says not to buy a Universal Carbine you would be wise not to.

End of post?

Scamp
07-17-2011, 08:16
If M2 Carbine says not to buy a Universal Carbine you would be wise not to.

End of post?


Yep, that's the end of this thread!

Scamp
07-17-2011, 08:18
You have looked at the price of M1 Carbine ammo haven't you?
I reload so my cost is very low but factory is about $30 plus a box.

$24 a box of 50 here, but that doesn't matter to me. I will avoid the Universal for now.

JackMac
07-17-2011, 08:21
Look at ImpactArms site and see what they are going for. PS I got a Universal that was being DX'd by the Police Dept, some 15 years ago and it works well.

beatcop
07-17-2011, 09:29
They are crap...do not buy.

The "slide" assy is stamped steel. Mine split in half at the point where it wraps around the bolt lug.

The extractor broke a couple of times.

planner
07-17-2011, 09:38
I have a Universal M1 Carbine and it works well. Mine doe NOT have any stamped parts, BUT the larger MilSurp parts (trigger housing, op slide, barrel and gas system) will not fit. I think that MilSurp parts WILL fit earlier Universal carbines. My carbine is very reliable with factory ammo. I found that I have to use "small base" reloading dies to get fairly reliable reloads. Some of the accessories that used to be made only fit Universal and some do not fit some Universal and some fit all carbines. If it wasn't for Fed laws, the carbine has a lot of potential for "personalization", especially as a pistol, AOW, or SBR. The value of a Universal is only about $350-400, even though some people or dealers ask for more.

beatcop
07-17-2011, 09:46
Maybe they beefed them up, but if the bolt lug pokes through the slide, as opposed to being completely covered like USGI, then I will say they are weak in this spot. It was around 1/8 to 3/16 flat stock that was stamped to make a half round shape that partially wraped around the bolt body/lug. I eventually made a "bridge" and tig'd it together...promptly got rid of it for $150 a long time ago.

You might be able to retrofit a USGI slide assy on, but the Universal uses dual recoil springs, unlike USGI, so that may not work.

I used to try every type of ammo to get decent groups...iirc it would get 4" ? groups at 100 it's been a while.

AZ Jeff
07-17-2011, 10:00
Maybe they beefed them up, but if the bolt lug pokes through the slide, as opposed to being completely covered like USGI, then I will say they are weak in this spot.

Your description of the bolt only applies th later Universals. Early guns were carbon copies of the GI design, and are generally OK. As time went on, and GI parts sources dried up, they redesigned things to save cost, and thats when the troubles started.

chris in va
07-17-2011, 11:06
I don't know what the heck happened, but a guy rented an M1 at the range a couple weeks ago and the round's case head broke off, splattering his face and neck with shrapnel and unburned powder. He was a bloody mess, but it was superficial. Thankfully he was wearing his safety glasses.

The range guys figured it fired slightly out of battery.

M2 Carbine
07-17-2011, 18:20
The range guys figured it fired slightly out of battery.
The gun is not supposed to fire until the bolt is completely closed but due to wear it's possible that the gun will fire with the bolt lugs not fully engaged with the receiver. I had bolts with cracked lugs from firing too early.

When I did a lot of M2 Carbine full auto shooting I had a quart Zip Lock bag of broken parts, bolts, slides, extractors, even a cracked receiver.

But they are still fun to shoot.:)
(click on picture to view)
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/th_P1010099.jpg (http://s1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/?action=view&current=P1010099.mp4)

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/th_HazelshootingtheM2.jpg (http://s1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/?action=view&current=HazelshootingtheM2.mp4)

Scamp
07-23-2011, 16:14
What about an Iver Johnson stainless M1 Carbine, any opinions on them?

JackMac
07-23-2011, 16:20
impactguns.com

Scamp
07-23-2011, 16:34
impactguns.com

Thanks, but I don't understand what the link is for? :dunno:



I was asking about an Iver Johnson...

Decguns
07-23-2011, 17:36
I picked up a late production Universal about 10 years ago for a blaster. Paid an outrageous $190 for it back then. Average price right now is about $350, but I've seen them fetch more than $500 at auction.

Never had any problems with it or broken parts. Runs just fine. They come drilled and tapped for scope mounts which are still available from Numrich. Put a red dot on it and have some fun. When the stamped slide breaks, I'll weld it back together or make it into a good lamp. I'd rather put mileage on it than my Winchester and Rockola's.

Faulkner
07-23-2011, 20:37
What about an Iver Johnson stainless M1 Carbine, any opinions on them?

Iver Johnson carbines are typically okay. Though they will interchange with USGI parts and some even came with a few USGI parts, they are not up to USGI standards. Until the Kahr M1 carbine came along, Iver Johnson was probably one of the best commercially made carbines available.

Scamp
07-24-2011, 00:04
I picked up a very nice Iver Johnson in stainless, tore it down, cleaned it up, and am headed to the range in the morning!

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg68/Scamp1971/101_2385800x572.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg68/Scamp1971/101_2387800x560.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg68/Scamp1971/101_2386800x600.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg68/Scamp1971/101_2390800x769.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg68/Scamp1971/101_2389800x790.jpg

M2 Carbine
07-24-2011, 06:41
Very nice looking Carbine.

I passed on one of those years ago at a gun show. I went a couple rows and decided to go back and buy the gun. It was already gone. I still kick myself.:upeyes:

Wyoming
07-24-2011, 07:37
Scamp nice looking M1 carbine. If M2 said he kicks himself for passing one by at a gun show then you did good!

M2 don't feel bad, if I kick myself for every "should have" I would be in a wheelchair now.

MY worst should was .... oh this is going to take some time to grade them all I be back in a couple of months and let you know :rofl:

Scamp
07-24-2011, 08:15
Thanks guys, it's a sweet looking gun, and I'll let you know here in a couple hours how it shoots.
I would still like a USGI version too, just missed a Rock-Ola at the same place I got this one, not the same price though!

MajorD
07-24-2011, 08:37
the best way to go when obtaining is to start and finish with usgi.

Scamp
07-24-2011, 17:10
Just got back from the range, and I had a blast!
First off, I have to get some more magazines, the one that I have is a stainless steel one and would not feed the last round at all. I also got tired of reloading it every 15rds.
I had it zeroed in at 100yds in a matter of a few rounds, and went through 200rds rather quickly.
I just ordered an M1 Carbine rifle service pack from Wolff Springs, a sling, oiler, and a buttstock mag pouch, and now I can't wait for the Brown truck to bring me some happy!

I also took out my Ruger Blackhawk chambered in .30 carbine and put a 100rds through it, just a great gun to shoot, but man is it LOUD! :supergrin:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg68/Scamp1971/101_2387800x560.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg68/Scamp1971/101_2377800x557.jpg


I'd like to thank M2 Carbine for all his help, thanks buddy!

M2 Carbine
07-24-2011, 17:28
I'd like to thank M2 Carbine for all his help, thanks buddy!
You are welcome.:)

I had that Ruger years ago. It's one of those guns I am sorry I got rid of.
I put a scope on it. As I recall it was very accurate at 100 yards. More accurate than most of my M1 Carbines.

Deaf Smith
07-24-2011, 19:14
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg68/Scamp1971/101_2385800x572.jpg


Now why can't Kahr or SOMEBODY make a good M1 Carbine in stainless?

Yes I'd buy it. I have both a Kahr M1 Carbine and a National Postalmeter one (yes a true GI I bought for $360 in all.)

Deaf

Scamp
07-24-2011, 21:20
I have a National Postalmeter one (yes a true GI I bought for $360 in all.)

Deaf

I would love to see a pic of it!

frank_drebin
07-25-2011, 13:03
Nice looking gun Scamp. What ammo where you using with it? I have a giant can full of mix-n-match 30 carbine ammo to feed mine with. I think the latest addition was two boxes of Magtech.

My 1944 GM Inland is a little older and has the green parkerized finish. Shoots like anew rifle though. Very accurate for its size.

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc81/jbabbler/milsurplus/IMG-20110725-00053.jpg

mac66
07-25-2011, 13:25
I bought a USGI Winchester made in Oct 44 about 5 years ago from a friend who's dad died. I cringe when I look at ammo prices for 30 carbine, hence I've not even shot it.

Deaf Smith
07-25-2011, 16:41
I reload guys, so ammo is not that expensive. I've got 1000 110gr Remington SPs just for it.

And about eight years ago I found PMC carbine ammo for $15 a box of 50. I bought all 10 boxes. Still have most of it and I use it for fresh brass.

Scamp,

I'll have to drag it out from it's hiding place (it's the HD gun) and photo it!

Deaf

Kevin08
07-25-2011, 22:51
Man you should have been in the market a few years ago. I bought my 1943 Inland in pristine condition (obviously re-parked at an armory at one point in time) from the Civilian Marksmanship Program for $495 in 2007. Bore looked brand new and it shoots amazing. My favorite piece next to my Garand, they spend a lot of time together. Just picked up two more Inland USGI magazines for it at the last gunshow, but I already want more.

http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt103/kevinv6/car1.jpg?t=1311656133

As far as ammo is concerned:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=AG30FMJ110&name=Aguila+.30+Carbine+110grn+FMJ+50rd+box&groupid=86

themighty9mm
07-25-2011, 23:05
Very cool of your dad. I have shot one once. Very light weight and easy to maneuver. Liked every thing about it. Its on my "someday day list"

Faulkner
07-26-2011, 21:04
I bought most of my carbines in the 90's and most of them I paid under $200.00. I snagged up every one I could buy that was in decent condition. Here's a picture of some of my USGI carbine collection.

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL488/1124764/6541000/25534171.jpg

Kevin08
07-26-2011, 23:36
Lucky bastard. In the '90s, I was in elementary school.

Cheap deals on stuff like that will never happen again. :(

Reb 56
07-27-2011, 00:23
Not to get off track but what about the commercial Carbines made by IMI believe it was sold by a Co. in Houston TX. Any good or junk ? I bought one a few years ago because the
Gun looked almost new with a great looking stock.And was cheaper than the beat up USGI Carbines they had at the Gun Show.

amd65
07-27-2011, 06:07
My Inland also came from the CMP...I picked it out myself at North Store.
I find PRVI FMJ and SP for about $20 a box, which I consider to be a fair price. Good ammo, accurate and full power. I had problems with MagTech..primers falling out.
The Korean mags, both 15rd and 30rd have worked great for me, though I did add an M2 mag catch to use the 30rd mags.
The bayonet came from CMP also...they recently sold a bunch of Norwegian made M4 bayonets for $25 apiece. They sold out quickly, and I was lucky to get in on them before they were gone.

frank_drebin
07-27-2011, 06:19
Awesome collection Faulkner. How many of those have the green tint to the barrel?

Faulkner
07-27-2011, 20:31
Awesome collection Faulkner. How many of those have the green tint to the barrel?

A few. I think the green tint typcially comes from the long term exposure of cosmoline and oil with the parkerized finish. I usually completely strip mine down and soak the metal parts in mineral spirits, clean them up, and reassemble and lubricate with a synthetic oil. Gets them back to close to their original gray parkerized finish.

jeepmann11
05-10-2012, 00:14
Is there anyone on here that knows anything about plainfield M1 carbines? I bought one about 4 years ago at a gun show that had a scope mounted on it , the mount was attached were the serial number is and mounted to the rear sight and has a hole drilled thru part the serial number to attach the scope mount . I know the dealer I got it from filled out the 4473 , but I was wondering if it was built before a serial number was required on a long gun . I had to take it to a gun smith for a replacement rear sight and he said it was illegal but he did the work anyway and returned it to me. Is there anyway to find out what year it was made. The gunsmith said he could not find another number on it anywhere , he said it took it apart looking for one.

MajorD
05-10-2012, 07:37
honestly I wouldn't waste time with any commercial reproduction. the original USGI guns can with a little work and patience be found in the 600 dollar range. universals are know for bad quality control with an occasional good one slipping out. and as mentioned above parts are NOT interchangeable with GI.