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AZson
07-19-2011, 17:13
What are your suggestions for a good all around powder for .223.
A powder you can use for a 52gr to a 75gr bullet?
I have 1/9 twist barrel.

bmoore
07-19-2011, 17:17
I have been liking Winchester 748. It meters very well for me. I run 26.0grns for my AR's. I also know guys like 26.3grns with it as well. I also have a 1/9 twist, I load 55grn FMJ and 55grn Hornady V-max. I have heard good things about Varget and H335.

EL_NinO619
07-19-2011, 17:23
TAC, BL-C2, 748, VARGET... In that order..:supergrin:

ColoCG
07-19-2011, 17:52
^^^ What EL NINO said plus H335. But all the others feed better than Varget.

RustyFN
07-19-2011, 18:24
For me it's H335 and W748.

10head
07-19-2011, 18:27
varget, benchmark

Boxerglocker
07-19-2011, 18:36
TAC.... works good for 55g FMJBT's plinking 24.5g, best accuracy 25.6 g... Even better for heavier bullets. Meters like water and doesn't overfill the case.

Three-Five-Seven
07-19-2011, 18:36
Varget or 748, depending on your loading process.

Hoser
07-19-2011, 18:39
Varget or Benchmark.

AZson
07-19-2011, 19:14
Thanks for the tips, keep them rolling in.

Ahmid
07-19-2011, 19:16
You will never go wrong with W748....Tried many different powders over the last twenty years, always come back to 748...

DoctaGlockta
07-19-2011, 19:23
I use TAC.

gjk5
07-19-2011, 19:39
BL-C2, AA2230, Varget. In that order from lightest to heaviest bullets IME/YMMV.

jmorris
07-19-2011, 19:56
748, TAC, Xtermanator. Varget is fine if your not loading progressive.

dbarry
07-19-2011, 20:04
Alliant 10x, Varget, or 3031

ursoboostd
07-19-2011, 20:06
I've had very good luck with Tac. I load 25.0gr under a 55gr bullet.

squirreld
07-19-2011, 20:10
Did someone mention TAC?

http://home.earthlink.net/~squirreld/Tac.jpg

Steve in PA
07-19-2011, 22:34
H335. I use it for everything from 40gr on up to 75gr bullets.

glascowangus
07-20-2011, 05:40
H335, H4895, Varget. This one cal. that performs well over a broad spectrum of powders.

Zombie Steve
07-20-2011, 12:59
Ever notice how people have to compare their favorite powder to Varget? :whistling::supergrin:


If you have issues with it metering, IMR 4320 is a great alternative.


Also had good results with AA2230 with the lighter bullet weights. True ball powder.

Don H
07-20-2011, 14:10
Tried many however really like WIN 748, clean and meters very well!

The-Fly
07-20-2011, 15:41
Tac would be my first choice. 2230 works great for the lighter bullets, though its a tad temp sensitive.

sourdough44
07-21-2011, 03:53
Tac...

MrOldLude
07-21-2011, 13:53
Varget.

SigFTW
07-21-2011, 15:08
H322, works great form me.

sigman69
07-21-2011, 15:19
H335 had good luck with it.

oldsoldier
07-21-2011, 18:19
W748 and TAC. Both meter well, burn fairly cool, and provide excellent accuracy. H335 is accurate and meters well but burns hot. Varget is a good accurate powder and I use it in some calibers but it doesn't meter worth a damn. I only use it for charges I weigh. Just my opinion.

PCJim
07-21-2011, 20:55
In the 16" HBAR:
AA2230 for 52gr HPBT
BL-C2 for 55gr FMJ
BL-C2 or Varget for 62gr HPBT (Varget is hand trickled)

sig2009
07-22-2011, 09:10
Wc844

wdphillips
07-23-2011, 08:50
As mentioned before...

H335 and 3031

jolly roger
07-23-2011, 12:52
H335 for the 55 grain blasters and Varget for the 69 match bullets

targetbuster
07-23-2011, 20:36
I am just starting on getting supplies to reload .223 as well. I went to a couple reloading stores, and both recommended RL 15. So far no one has mentioned it. Was wondering how does that powder compare to the other powders mentioned already?

JRI
07-24-2011, 10:52
I use IMR 4320,I tried H335 and did not care for it or any ball powders for that matter.

GlockAzona
07-26-2011, 02:48
About 35 years ago, while working in Angola, I got a smokin' deal on a Mini-14. It has the older 1:12" twist barrel & worked best with 52 gr bullets.

I've tried it all: BLC2, 748, H322, H345, and others. I finally settled on IMR 4198, which I still use today. Several powders seemed to produce port pressure / cycling issues, but the 4198 works flawlessly.

19.6 gr 4198 for the 52 gr HP's, and 20.8 gr pushing 55 gr. FMJ's. I've yet to find a better load.

Just recently I've begun using the Lee Factory Crimp die & it, plus separating bullets by weight, has given my the best ammo I can hope to ever use.

MakeMineA10mm
07-28-2011, 22:48
OP, this should be informative to your questions too, not just to TB's question here.

I am just starting on getting supplies to reload .223 as well. I went to a couple reloading stores, and both recommended RL 15. So far no one has mentioned it. Was wondering how does that powder compare to the other powders mentioned already?

RL-15 is imported from Belgium. It was designed to be a medium-burn-speed powder for loading 7.62 NATO machinegun ammo, and as such, it has a formula and coatings that reduce copper fouling, reduce heat, and reduce fouling. These are all quite important considerations in a machinegun, but they're nice-to-have in our rifles as well... It just so happens that burning speed is also perfect for heavy-bullet 5.56 NATO. It is one of the powders used to develop some of the 77gr and other heavy-bullet special-ops rounds that the SEALS, Marines, Special Forces, and others who can get their hands on it have been using overseas in the war on terror. It is a small stick powder, so it meters fairly well (although it meters much better through the larger 7.62's case mouth).

Now, if you think all those special features built into RL-15 are good, here's the kicker: Ramshot TAC has them too, but being a ball powder and slightly faster burning, it works better in the 5.56/.223 for loading and it has slightly broader bullet-weight range of use. For this reason, I think that TAC is the best powder for the 5.56/223 there is, bar none. I've loaded TAC with 50gr bullets up through 75gr and it works great with all. I also have some RL-15 that I plan on loading 68 through 75gr bullets with, and then shooting side-by-side with the TAC loads for comparison (one of these days...).

I load most of my 223 on a progressive (Dillon 650), so a ball powder is preferred. If I ever run out of TAC (heaven forbid! - I have 60 pounds, hopefully that will last me...), I would use W748. It's also in the ideal burning rate for broad application in the 223, but it doesn't have all the nice benefits built into TAC (or RL-15).

I've used H335, H332, W844, W846, IMR-8208 (the old surplus version), Bl-C2, and 4198 for 223, and they all work, some better than others, but none better than TAC.

MrGlock21
07-29-2011, 13:49
Those have worked for me, in one rifle or another, extremely well:

Benchmark, Tac, Reloader 10X.
In one of my bolt action guns BL-C2 under 52HP Match Hornady is outstanding.

AZson
08-10-2011, 21:57
What we be a good powder to use with a Lee Auto disk powder measure?

dougader
08-10-2011, 22:19
What we be a good powder to use with a Lee Auto disk powder measure?

Uh, talcum powder??? :dunno:

bush pilot
08-11-2011, 08:55
I use H335 in my ARs and bolt .223 rifles. This powder meters well and has proven quite accurate.

byf43
08-11-2011, 10:46
H-335 (23.0 gr) and Sierra 69 gr BTHP.

Incredibly accurate load!

ursoboostd
08-11-2011, 14:20
What we be a good powder to use with a Lee Auto disk powder measure?
When I was loading 223 on my LCT I had good luck with Tac.

GIockGuy24
08-11-2011, 16:45
About 35 years ago, while working in Angola, I got a smokin' deal on a Mini-14. It has the older 1:12" twist barrel & worked best with 52 gr bullets.

I've tried it all: BLC2, 748, H322, H345, and others. I finally settled on IMR 4198, which I still use today. Several powders seemed to produce port pressure / cycling issues, but the 4198 works flawlessly.

19.6 gr 4198 for the 52 gr HP's, and 20.8 gr pushing 55 gr. FMJ's. I've yet to find a better load.

Just recently I've begun using the Lee Factory Crimp die & it, plus separating bullets by weight, has given my the best ammo I can hope to ever use.

Up to 1976 IMR-4198 was made in America. Then it was made in Canada but was the same powder. A couple of years ago it was replaced with made in Australia H-4198 but renamed IMR-4198. The new stuff is a bit shorter grain and slightly easier to measure. Hodgdon says the load data for both powders is safe to interchange. Old Canadian-made IMR-4198 is black. New IMR-4227 is old H-4227 dyed black to look like old made in Canada IMR-4227. I'm not sure if new IMR-4198 is dyed or not to look like the old stuff. H-4198 is not black but a greenish tan color. If new IMR-4198 you can now buy H-4198 and get the exact same powder. They said IMR-4227 had more uses than H-4227 so they dropped the H-4227 name and dyed it to look like old IMR-4227. They said that both IMR-4198 and H-4198 sold about equally well so they decided to keep both names but they are now one powder. The Canadian powders are black due to the use of graphite. The Australian powders are normally not black to due having much less graphite but some IMR labeled Australian powders are now dyed black. I know IMR-4227 is now dyed but I haven't heard that about IMR-4198 but it's possible. If it's not available or if H-4198 and you want IMR-4198 you now just buy H-4198. Some of the load data is still left over from when IMR wasn't owned by Hodgdon and the powders were slightly different. I think I get better results in cartridges I used 4227 and 4198 with the newer Australian-made versions.

tjpet
08-11-2011, 16:53
I don't load target ammo with the heavier bullet weights for any of my .223s so I stick with two time-proven powders: WW748 & AA2230.

ursoboostd
08-15-2011, 17:35
Doh!!! :faint: Like a bonehead, I ordered 8# of Ramshot X-Terminator instead of Tac. I guess I'll find out if I like to load it in 223.

RustyFN
08-15-2011, 17:44
What we be a good powder to use with a Lee Auto disk powder measure?

I use H-335 with 55 grain Hornady FMJ-BT bullets and get great accuracy. H-335 meters great and very consistant in my pro auto disk.

Tactworld45
08-15-2011, 19:10
I use H-335 with 55 grain Hornady FMJ-BT bullets and get great accuracy. H-335 meters great and very consistant in my pro auto disk.

I use the same bullet and either h335 or W748. I haven't run any through a chrono lately, but can't tell much of a difference. My M&P 15 doesn't seem to care. I can shoot better than 1" at 150 meters. I buy my powder locally. I am burning the h335 now, but before the only thing my guy had was w748 so I used a pound of it instead and was happy.


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MakeMineA10mm
08-18-2011, 21:38
Doh!!! :faint: Like a bonehead, I ordered 8# of Ramshot X-Terminator instead of Tac. I guess I'll find out if I like to load it in 223.

X-Terminator will work well, especially with the lighter bullets. If you are planning on loading any of the 40-55gr variety, it will work quite well (as well as AA2230, W748, or H335), so I wouldn't fret that you've made any horrible mistake.

Just remember TAC for next time! :supergrin:

SNH Glocks
09-04-2011, 19:34
I have had excellent luck with W748 and Varget. Of course the 748 meters much better.

AZson
09-04-2011, 23:25
TAC is working really good in my LEE powder measure.