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Bob45acp
08-05-2011, 22:54
I recently received an email from a listener stating that he doesn't yet own any guns because his wife is terrified of something happening to one of their kids if they keep a gun in their home. It's been a long time since I did a show on this topic but I might do one again soon. So I decided to look up some statistics on this. Consider this. More kids are killed every year in car accidents than they are in their own homes with a gun, http://www.abcarticledirectory.com/Article/Children---Car-Accidents--The-Alarming-Statistics/208261, about 2,000 kids per year. In fact, car accidents are the leading cause of death among children. As for gun deaths, about 802 kids are accidentally killed each year with a gun. So the numbers are far greater, in car accidents! So why do people focus on the smaller likelihood of injury or death (cars) and not on the most likely cause (cars.) Why are there not legions of concerned parents calling for the banning of car ownership due to the inherent danger they pose to children? Why such hypocrisy? Next time you discuss guns with a truly "emotional" person who doesn't understand the facts, perhaps you can use this?

Bob Mayne

Jerry
08-06-2011, 08:23
To make those gun death numbers even less impressive conceder this. Included in those numbers are gang bangers age 17 to 21.


Why do people focus on gun deaths more than auto deaths? It’s simple, just watch the evening news. You’ll hear about an auto accident where a child is injured or killed and how a “driver” was at fault. When a gun related death is reported you’ll see a picture in the background of a “EVIL BLACK GUN” in a red circle with a line through it. You’ll hear how a child was “killed by/with a gun”. The propaganda mill has vilified the gun as the evil culprit not a person as with the auto accident. Take a good look at what Hitler did through the media then take a good look at most of our media. McCarthy may have been a whack-job but that doesn’t mean he was wrong. The socialists took over the media.

smokeross
08-06-2011, 10:48
Many people are just plain STUPID. That's why we have child proof medicine bottles now. Stupid people were leaving stuff where kids could get it. Same with guns. They buy a $600 gun, but won't spend $50 for something to lock it up in. Leave it laying around for Junior to discover.

AA#5
08-06-2011, 10:52
Many people are just plain STUPID. That's why we have child proof medicine bottles now. Stupid people were leaving stuff where kids could get it. Same with guns. They buy a $600 gun, but won't spend $50 for something to lock it up in. Leave it laying around for Junior to discover.

It's not a question of money. From past threads on this topic, you'd be surprised at how many stupid parents we still have here who don't lock guns up.

The "my kids are smarter than yours" mentality.

Javelin
08-06-2011, 11:00
Many people are just plain STUPID. That's why we have child proof medicine bottles now. Stupid people were leaving stuff where kids could get it. Same with guns. They buy a $600 gun, but won't spend $50 for something to lock it up in. Leave it laying around for Junior to discover.

When I was growing up my dad told me where the guns were and went through firearm safety. Said that I was not to touch them and guess what? I didn't.

What is so hard with that?

:dunno:

GlockinNJ
08-06-2011, 11:15
Statistics are a dangerous thing. I would propose that more kids die in cars simply because kids spend way more time travelling in cars than they spend being in contact with guns.

Gunnut 45/454
08-06-2011, 11:17
smokeross
I too grew up in a house with guns as Javelin stated if tought early and frequently gun safety will prevent accidental gun death. I also agree with Jerry those 802 deaths are alot less once you actually remove the Gang related deaths or deaths cause by criminal activity! I raised my duaghter and now Grand daughter in a home with guns I carry everyday , play with the GD and every other activity! Never had nor will I ever have a propblem cause you teach them young and keep teaching them -Gun safety is an everyday thing not just once! I'll also add they are not LOCKED UP nor do any of them have trigger locks!!! People really need to stop listening to the Anti-gun crowd they have never been right on anything when it comes to firearms PERIOD!

smokeross
08-06-2011, 11:23
We had a house full of guns growing up too. But when my kids were young one of their friends shot his own brother dead and wounded his sister. I took those boys to Scouts. Thought the would not be that stupid. I made a box out of some solid core fire doors so I could lock mine up a few days later. Have a safe now.

Jerry
08-06-2011, 12:38
My children were taught gun safety at an early age. That was long before I owned a safe. In fact my firearms were kept in a glass front non-locking gun cabinet. They NEVER touched a firearm without my permission. I purchased a safe about 10 years ago only because I feared my guns could be stolen. Now all but my carry gun are locked up safe and sound.

When I was a kid the guns were in a closet. I knew better than to touch.

My grand children are now being thought gun safety. My grandson has been allowed to handle my carry gun since he was three. Heís now six. He has to tell me the procedure to unload it and then he and I check to see if itís clear and then heís allowed to handle it (usually a minute or so and heís satisfied). He then tells me the procedure to load it and the very last thing he says is.. NOW DONíT TOUCH IT ASK PAW PAW. He knows where I keep it when itís not on my person and heís never tried to look at it or touch it. He has on many occasions come to me and saidÖ Paw Paw, can I see your gun. I never refuse him.

The kids are never alone when Iím home and when Iím not the pistol is with me.

Bob45acp
08-07-2011, 22:03
It's a well documented fact that car accidents, swimming pools and dogs, are also huge dangers to kids. But when people use the excuse "we have kids in the house" to not own guns, I think it's a bad argument. What are they going to say if they're attacked in their own home, and don't have a gun to use to fight back and one of their kids is killed?

Gunnut 45/454
08-08-2011, 10:48
Bob45acp
As I said they need to stop listening to the Anti-Gun crowd they've never been right! They've only used fear -never facts! I'm living proof they are wrong, my daughter is living proof, as is my grand daughter! Along with the millions of others that have guns in there homes!:supergrin: Think about it millions of guns in homes and 400-500 accidental deaths? Thats what
.0001% chance of an acciedental death! :whistling:

Bob45acp
08-09-2011, 22:32
OK, now I see your point. You're right, the anti gunners are simply acting upon emotion and hearsay, not the facts.

Bilbo Bagins
08-10-2011, 08:17
Statistics are a dangerous thing. I would propose that more kids die in cars simply because kids spend way more time travelling in cars than they spend being in contact with guns.

+1 If I'm not mistaken more kids die in swimming pool incidents then in firearm discharges.

Personally I keep my stuff locked up. I was one of those kids who was told never to touch the guns in the house, and I STILL did. :wavey:

Boys are boys, and I admit it, and some gun owner need to understand that verbal threat and just telling your kids don't touch is not the answer. Education is still needed, the kid still has to know how to operate a firearm, know if its loaded, never assuming its not, and to know not to point the barrel at himself or others. Beyond that even if the kid never touches your unlocked and out in the open firearm, who knows, you child my become depressed, suicidal, or even worse, one of his friends who is not gun savvy may find your weapon.

Henry Kane
08-15-2011, 11:15
I have a couple friends with this issue. In the eyes of their significant others, it's not whether the guns are locked or not, it's their simple presence within the confines of their "sanctum". The same environment with kitchen knives, electrical outlets, scissors, car keys, etc.etc...

Unfortunately, irrational fears are among the most difficult to present rationale against. For some reason, they also seem to be the most stubbornly, adamantly defended.

As far as how accessible guns are to kids, logical reflection would determine that this is subjective. There are plenty of good kids with a weakness for curiosity to contrast those with a knack for self-discipline. Both my boys are growing up shooting and demonstrate outstanding responsibility, but everything here still stays locked up.