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MeefZah
08-06-2011, 12:01
I'm kind of surprised this hasn't been posted already. I looked through the first 2 pages, maybe I missed it?

Large groups of black teens engage in multiple riots around closing at the Wisconisin State Fair, assaulting first each other and then random white patrons; tearing up nearby neighborhoods. 7 cops injured. 24 rioters arrested.

I believe there is a GT member who is (or was getting hired by) Wisconsin State Park PD... ?

Some are calling for hate crime charges to be filed, which seems totally logical to me.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/06/hundreds-rampage-through-neighborhoods-surrounding-wisconsin-state-fair/

Milwaukee Police said just after 11 p.m. they responded to complaints of an unruly mob attacking cars, people and leaving damage in its path.

Hundreds of young people left the fairgrounds and made their way down to the surrounding neighborhoods, smashing car windows, throwing rocks and beating people who were leaving the fair.


Link to a list of other stories and politicians responses:

http://www.fox6now.com/news/state-fair-rampage/

Deployment Solu
08-06-2011, 12:44
Someone who is getting attacked will be carrying eventually. It will not end well for the attackers.

freakshow10mm
08-06-2011, 14:00
Someone who is getting attacked will be carrying eventually. It will not end well for the attackers.
WI's CCW bill doesn't go into effect until November 1st of this year. Also public events such as the state fair will be no carry places.

ronduke
08-07-2011, 13:47
We cannot begin to address the underlying causes of the violence without change. We believe that change must come from within the African American community, where new seeds must be sown.
http://media.jsonline.com/documents/donovan-dudzik-080611.pdf

MeefZah
08-07-2011, 13:57
We cannot begin to address the underlying causes of the violence without change. We believe that change must come from within the African American community, where new seeds must be sown.
http://media.jsonline.com/documents/donovan-dudzik-080611.pdf

Those guys are AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!

RussP
08-07-2011, 14:29
We cannot begin to address the underlying causes of the violence without change. We believe that change must come from within the African American community, where new seeds must be sown.
http://media.jsonline.com/documents/donovan-dudzik-080611.pdf

Those guys are AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!Pretty interesting letter to their constituents.

ClydeG19
08-07-2011, 16:32
I remember someone asking about their PD, but I don't know if he got hired.

Fiery Red XIII
08-07-2011, 18:05
Someone in GNG's thread on his had a statement from the PD chief that he'd heard 0 reports of attacks.

Red

golls17
08-07-2011, 19:10
Someone who is getting attacked will be carrying eventually. It will not end well for the attackers.

Nope. I called State Fair Police since I'm planning on going this week. Off duty cops can't carry on the grounds.

Ironically, my first police interview ever was with the State Fair Police. I bombed it. Oh well...

golls17
08-07-2011, 19:12
I remember someone asking about their PD, but I don't know if he got hired.

Yep, that was me! I'm somewhere else now.

I do have a close friend who works for West Allis PD (the city that hosts the State Fair). They got called in for help. He was probably working that night.

freakshow10mm
08-07-2011, 21:19
Nope. I called State Fair Police since I'm planning on going this week. Off duty cops can't carry on the grounds.

Isn't 941.23 an exemption? When I was going to cop school in WI, we were told WI LE can carry "off duty" ie out of uniform anywhere in the state unless it's private property and posted. State fairgrounds is public property.

Doc8404
08-07-2011, 21:34
Nope. I called State Fair Police since I'm planning on going this week. Off duty cops can't carry on the grounds.
...

that's asinine.

ICARRY2
08-08-2011, 00:16
We cannot begin to address the underlying causes of the violence without change. We believe that change must come from within the African American community, where new seeds must be sown.
http://media.jsonline.com/documents/donovan-dudzik-080611.pdf

All these city Aldermen want is more money to combat a problem money can't solve. Money can't buy good parenting.

Remember Clinton's Midnight Basketball solution? :upeyes:

freakshow10mm
08-08-2011, 00:25
All these city Aldermen want is more money to combat a problem money can't solve. Money can't buy good parenting.
They want their citizens to behave themselves. That doesn't cost one penny.

Besides, good parenting doesn't cost money, it costs time. If they think it costs money, they can spend their welfare check on their children instead of drugs.

lloydchristmas
08-08-2011, 03:51
Isn't 941.23 an exemption? When I was going to cop school in WI, we were told WI LE can carry "off duty" ie out of uniform anywhere in the state unless it's private property and posted. State fairgrounds is public property.

Currently:

941.23 Carrying concealed weapon. Any person except a peace officer who goes armed with a concealed and dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor. Notwithstanding s. 939.22 (22) (http://nxt.legis.state.wi.us/nxt/gateway.dll?f=xhitlist$xhitlist_x=Advanced$xhitlist_vpc=first$xhitlist_xsl=querylink.xsl$xhitlist_se l=title;path;content-type;home-title$xhitlist_d={stats}$xhitlist_q=[field folio-destination-name:'939.22(22)']$xhitlist_md=target-id=0-0-0-35947), for purposes of this section, peace officer does not include a commission warden who is not a state-certified commission warden

939.22(22) (22) "Peace officer" means any person vested by law with a duty to maintain public order or to make arrests for crime, whether that duty extends to all crimes or is limited to specific crimes. "Peace officer" includes a commission warden.


Referring to our new CCW law effective November 1st:


The law prohibiting the possession or under one’s control a firearm on land located in state parks or state fish hatcheries unless the firearm is unloaded and in a carrying case does not apply to a licensee or an out-of state licensee if the firearm is a handgun, or to a law enforcement officer, a person employed as a law enforcement officer by a public agency in Wisconsin, a qualified out-of-state law enforcement officer, or a former officer if they meet certain conditions. Wis. Stat. § 29.089(2)(a)-(d); 29.091(1) and (2). Note that federal law applies to federal property.

If I was going, I'd be carrying......

RussP
08-08-2011, 05:47
All these city Aldermen want is more money to combat a problem money can't solve. Money can't buy good parenting.But it buys votes:steamed:

DaBigBR
08-08-2011, 10:29
Nope. I called State Fair Police since I'm planning on going this week. Off duty cops can't carry on the grounds.

Ironically, my first police interview ever was with the State Fair Police. I bombed it. Oh well...

Isn't 941.23 an exemption? When I was going to cop school in WI, we were told WI LE can carry "off duty" ie out of uniform anywhere in the state unless it's private property and posted. State fairgrounds is public property.

Currently:

941.23 Carrying concealed weapon. Any person except a peace officer who goes armed with a concealed and dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor. Notwithstanding s. 939.22 (22) (http://nxt.legis.state.wi.us/nxt/gateway.dll?f=xhitlist$xhitlist_x=Advanced$xhitlist_vpc=first$xhitlist_xsl=querylink.xsl$xhitlist_se l=title;path;content-type;home-title$xhitlist_d={stats}$xhitlist_q=[field folio-destination-name:'939.22(22)']$xhitlist_md=target-id=0-0-0-35947), for purposes of this section, peace officer does not include a commission warden who is not a state-certified commission warden

939.22(22) (22) "Peace officer" means any person vested by law with a duty to maintain public order or to make arrests for crime, whether that duty extends to all crimes or is limited to specific crimes. "Peace officer" includes a commission warden.


Referring to our new CCW law effective November 1st:


The law prohibiting the possession or under one’s control a firearm on land located in state parks or state fish hatcheries unless the firearm is unloaded and in a carrying case does not apply to a licensee or an out-of state licensee if the firearm is a handgun, or to a law enforcement officer, a person employed as a law enforcement officer by a public agency in Wisconsin, a qualified out-of-state law enforcement officer, or a former officer if they meet certain conditions. Wis. Stat. § 29.089(2)(a)-(d); 29.091(1) and (2). Note that federal law applies to federal property.

If I was going, I'd be carrying......


Unless somebody can up with another applicable statute, I don't see how LE would be prohibited from carrying there. Their PD, or just the Chief, may have his head up his butt...lord knows we've heard plenty of anti-gun stuff from department administrators in the past. FWIW, I wouldn't go to such a venue without a gun even if there hadn't been the violence earlier.

golls17
08-08-2011, 10:37
Unless somebody can up with another applicable statute, I don't see how LE would be prohibited from carrying there. Their PD, or just the Chief, may have his head up his butt...lord knows we've heard plenty of anti-gun stuff from department administrators in the past. FWIW, I wouldn't go to such a venue without a gun even if there hadn't been the violence earlier.

I wouldn't go there without carrying, either. Now it looks like I have to either not go or take my chances with the interpretations of statute vs. what the lady on the phone said.

I think I'll still go. If I'm covered under the statute, I should be fine, right?

ETA: this is all there is on their website...

PLEASE BE ADVISED
Persons entering the facility assume all risks incidental to the event. State Fair reserves the right to refuse admission or eject any person violating any law, rule or policy. Patrons, bags and carry-ins are subject to search upon entry. Certain items may not be brought onto the premises including without limitation: alcohol, contraband, weapons, illegal drugs and controlled substances. The following items are also not permitted on the grounds: cans or glass bottles, lawn chairs, skateboards, in-line skates, bicycles, kites and Frisbee disks. Recording devices are prohibited in the Potawatomi Bingo Casino Main Stage. Pets are not permitted on site unless the pet is part of a Fair event (e.g. Dog Fair). Working service dogs are permitted. Persons are subject to potentially having their image and/or likeness reproduced for promotional and/or publicity purposes in Fair or media photography, video, broadcasts and/or webcasts. Smoking is not allowed in indoor facilities.

I guess my only question is if they have a written policy somewhere I could look at?

x_out86
08-08-2011, 21:17
A buddy of mine works for West Allis PD, who luckily enough (yeah right), has the state fair park in their jurisdiction. He said this is not the first time this BS has gone on in the area.

Prior to the state fair going on, these "flash mob beatings" were going on in other parks around the area. Joe Blow and his family would be out having a picnic with their family when a group of jagoffs would show up...beat your ass...and then leave.

WTF is wrong with these people?

Deployment Solu
08-09-2011, 07:24
They have a lead deficiency????

A6Gator
08-09-2011, 08:22
I wouldn't go there without carrying, either. Now it looks like I have to either not go or take my chances with the interpretations of statute vs. what the lady on the phone said.

I think I'll still go. If I'm covered under the statute, I should be fine, right?

I guess my only question is if they have a written policy somewhere I could look at?

Gollbladder, does your department require off-duty carry?

golls17
08-10-2011, 06:36
Gollbladder, does your department require off-duty carry?

No, in fact very few of us do carry off duty.

Thick45
08-10-2011, 06:55
Why don't you carry off duty?

golls17
08-10-2011, 10:26
Why don't you carry off duty?

I do.