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LarryD1130
08-06-2011, 16:46
What do you guys think of accessory rails on 1911's?

I'm about to buy a Kimber Custom TLE II and I'm debating if I should get the one with the rail or not. I don't really like how it looks but it could be useful especially since I plan on getting a Streamlight TLR-2s for my Glock 23.

Also, what do you think of the Kimber?

Quack
08-06-2011, 16:48
not a Kimber fan here.

i have a railed 1911 for home use.

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-nKCCZxV/0/L/i-nKCCZxV-L.jpg

TKR Reptiles
08-06-2011, 16:52
I am a big fan of railed 1911's ... The TLE is a good choice, but I would recommend a Operator...

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn5/boafanatic17/custom_operator/DSC06443.jpg

limbkiller
08-06-2011, 17:12
I can't stand them. But some love them. I can see why some blind old guys might want a rail.:tongueout:
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GJ1981
08-06-2011, 17:45
If a 1911 has a light rail, it should be cut in half...it just ruins the "classic" lines. Well, that's the comments I seen around here in the past pertaining to light rails on 1911's.

I could honestly care less about the looks of my pistols, if you want a light on your pistol, go for it.




<a href="http://s319.photobucket.com/albums/mm441/gj1981/Drake%20Custom%201911/?action=view&amp;current=DSC01247.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm441/gj1981/Drake%20Custom%201911/DSC01247.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>









As for Kimber's...I dunno anymore. I had a TLE and it wasn't too bad, had a few issues but nothing major.

Z28ricer
08-06-2011, 17:46
Sure why not, you'll either end up selling it, and not liking 1911's, or you'll buy more, and some may or may not have rails.

:rofl:

faawrenchbndr
08-06-2011, 17:46
I am a big fan of railed 1911's ... The TLE is a good choice, but I would recommend a Operator...

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn5/boafanatic17/custom_operator/DSC06443.jpg

Mmmmmmmm looks delicious! :drool:


Anyrate, I've been thinking of using a Champion Operator for my next.

Hokie1911
08-06-2011, 17:48
I'm a big railed 1911 fan for HD. :thumbsup:

Fedor
08-06-2011, 17:51
Did somone say Rail???? :cool:



http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h430/Fedor61/IMG_5479.jpg

glock2740
08-06-2011, 18:56
The TLE is a good one. :thumbsup:

skdmrklcy
08-06-2011, 19:11
If you are going to use the rail go for it.

I am not a super fan of the rail, but they can be handy.

MD357
08-06-2011, 19:14
What do you guys think of accessory rails on 1911's?

I'm about to buy a Kimber Custom TLE II and I'm debating if I should get the one with the rail or not. I don't really like how it looks but it could be useful especially since I plan on getting a Streamlight TLR-2s for my Glock 23.

Also, what do you think of the Kimber?

Stop worrying about the looks of a 1911 and worry about it's function. If you plan to use a WML to defend yourself then I'd say it's imperative.

Hint: Should you use it, the BG will never worry about getting shot with an "ugly" gun. :supergrin:

Z28ricer
08-06-2011, 19:19
Stop worrying about the looks of a 1911 and worry about it's function. If you plan to use a WML to defend yourself then I'd say it's impertative.

Hint: Should you use it, the BG will never worry about getting shot with an "ugly" gun. :supergrin:

This, worry about the finish if you want looks, otherwise determine what you need/want on a functionality basis.

polizei1
08-06-2011, 19:39
The only way a rail belongs on a 1911 is if a light is attached to it! Rails are meant for duty and home defense IMO. I've never understood why someone would want to carry a railed 1911 for concealed carry. :dunno:

As for the Kimber, I have no personal experience. Search around the forums...you'll probably find a lot of love-it, hate-it.

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
08-06-2011, 19:47
Love them full rails :)

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/grips1.jpg

SouthpawShootr
08-06-2011, 19:51
I figure I have to have at least one around with a rail for HD duty. I have 2 right now. My best choice was a Sig Tac-Ops. Nice gun for the money. I actually looked around for a Kimber TLE RLII before purchasing my Sig but there were none to be found locally and none of the local shops distributors had them. I was partial to the TLE b/c I already have one without the rail and it's been a stellar performer.

engineer151515
08-06-2011, 19:52
I've owned both in the Kimber TLE.

I did not care for the rail because the balance of the weapon "felt different", it was incompatible with the leather holsters I had for 1911's and the Surefire 200 weapons light did not fit snugly on the rail. I could shift it along the rail because the rail spacings were just slightly too wide. I put a piece of electrical tape in the slot to snug things up but would have to replace the tape with each cleaning. I wanted to like it because I like weapons lights on the nightstand weapon but, in the end, it just annoyed me.

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6244/1911p1.jpg

bac1023
08-06-2011, 19:57
Not a fan here.

However, if I used a 1911 for HD, I'd have one with a rail.

pistolwrench
08-06-2011, 20:03
The only way a rail belongs on a 1911 is if a light is attached to it! Rails are meant for duty and home defense IMO. I've never understood why someone would want to carry a railed 1911 for concealed carry. :dunno:

As for the Kimber, I have no personal experience. Search around the forums...you'll probably find a lot of love-it, hate-it.

Pol nailed it!
The only exception is the Dawson rail. But even that set-up is not compatible with most quality holsters.
I need two pistols. One with a rail mounted white light for home defense and border camping.
Another for everyday concealed carry.

Hokie1911
08-06-2011, 20:09
Pol nailed it!
The only exception is the Dawson rail. But even that set-up is not compatible with most quality holsters.
I need two pistols. One with a rail mounted white light for home defense and border camping.
Another for everyday concealed carry.

BINGO. One for the holster. One with a light for the nightstand.

You should post some railed build pics. You LTW fellers seem fond of the Dawson rail so let's see some.

:needspics:

knedrgr
08-06-2011, 20:15
I don't discriminate.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/fourstardrift/Guns%20stuff/HD_light.jpg

pistolwrench
08-06-2011, 20:16
I am not an LTW member.

But I can post pics!

Hokie1911
08-06-2011, 20:21
I am not an LTW member.

But I can post pics!

What the....?

I thought you were as I have seen a few build collaborations. Oops.

GeorgiaRedfish
08-06-2011, 20:25
Pol nailed it!
The only exception is the Dawson rail. But even that set-up is not compatible with most quality holsters.
I need two pistols. One with a rail mounted white light for home defense and border camping.
Another for everyday concealed carry.

This I am working on a 9mm Defender for carry, and getting a light rail for my Springfield to retire it to HD. Hopefully this will be happening this year :supergrin:

pistolwrench
08-06-2011, 20:25
Hey, no problem.
I resigned from the LTW Board of Directors last year.
They are The Best and I am proud of what I was able to contribute.

faawrenchbndr
08-06-2011, 20:28
Love them full rails :)

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/grips1.jpg

Ya just HAD to post that! :faint:

Hokie1911
08-06-2011, 20:30
Hey, no problem.
I resigned from the LTW Board of Directors last year.
They are The Best and I am proud of what I was able to contribute.

Ok, so you were until then. Whew, thought I was losing my marbles there for a minute.

So Chuck, what's your mediocre professional take on the Dawson? When I was pricing out a build with SACS last year and mentioned that I wanted a Dawson, they responded that they wouldn't warranty the frame and strongly recommended against it.

GeorgiaRedfish
08-06-2011, 20:32
Ok, so you were until then. Whew, thought I was losing my marbles there for a minute.

So Chuck, what's your mediocre professional take on the Dawson? When I was pricing out a build with SACS last year and mentioned that I wanted a Dawson, they responded that they wouldn't warranty the frame and strongly recommended against it.

I've heard some say that the non railed 1911's dust cover is too weak and thin to support a light and add on rail all the time, and some smiths advice against it. But most reputable smiths I've seen, seem to not take heed of this warning:dunno:

pistolwrench
08-06-2011, 20:56
Different smiffs have differing methods of attaching a Dawson rail.
I 'bed' them like one might bed a rifle action using a metal/epoxy mix.
And I am careful with the interface of the rear of the rail and the front of the triggerguard.
I believe my method actually increases the strength of the dustcover.

It's a moot point though. My understanding is that the Dawson rail system is now out of production. Obsolete.

Grizzly out of Montana still offers a similar set-up. But one must wonder....for how much longer?
I'm sure not eager to build a pistol using a system with no source of spare parts.

:dunno:

GeorgiaRedfish
08-06-2011, 21:01
Different smiffs have differing methods of attaching a Dawson rail.
I 'bed' them like one might bed a rifle action using a metal/epoxy mix.
And I am careful with the interface of the rear of the rail and the front of the triggerguard.
I believe my method actually increases the strength of the dustcover.

It's a moot point though. My understanding is that the Dawson rail system is now out of production. Obsolete.

Grizzly out of Montana still offers a similar set-up. But one must wonder....for how much longer?
I'm sure not eager to build a pistol using a system with no source of spare parts.

:dunno:
Wow this is really crappy news. I got to jump on that part from grizzly customs soon.

I think the Dawson Rail is a great design

Feanor
08-06-2011, 21:09
What do you guys think of accessory rails on 1911's?

I'm about to buy a Kimber Custom TLE II and I'm debating if I should get the one with the rail or not. I don't really like how it looks but it could be useful especially since I plan on getting a Streamlight TLR-2s for my Glock 23.

Also, what do you think of the Kimber?

I like em just fine, especially on Springfields, or "ahh" like on this little pony.

majette
08-06-2011, 23:42
they all must have rails now.

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/3592/trp7ydz.jpg

FLIPPER 348
08-06-2011, 23:48
What do you guys think of accessory rails on 1911's?



I could never do it to classic 1911A1 but I did want one for home defense and a truck gun for road trips.

GeorgiaRedfish
08-07-2011, 05:49
I could never do it to classic 1911A1 but I did want one for home defense and a truck gun for road trips.

What rail is that?

FLIPPER 348
08-07-2011, 08:19
Novaks

GeorgiaRedfish
08-07-2011, 08:29
Got a pic without the light? Looks good

TexasLEO
08-07-2011, 11:27
another pony for ya

bac1023
08-07-2011, 12:15
another pony for ya

The Colt rail gun does look good.

awpk03s
08-07-2011, 14:17
I'll echo many of the sentiments already mentioned here. If you plan to use the rail, then go for it. Put a light on it and forget it. There's pages of debate on whether 1911 with a rail, or the concept of using a weapon mounted light on your home defense pistol to begin with... But for me - I use a 1911 for home defense, and I mount a light on it, hence I got one with a rail. I have two main 5" guns, one with a rail, and one without.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/mba656/guns/DSC03113.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/mba656/guns/DSC03114.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/mba656/guns/DSC03121.jpg

bac1023
08-07-2011, 14:23
Very nice Nighthawks :)

limbkiller
08-07-2011, 14:24
I'll echo many of the sentiments already mentioned here. If you plan to use the rail, then go for it. Put a light on it and forget it. There's pages of debate on whether 1911 with a rail, or the concept of using a weapon mounted light on your home defense pistol to begin with... But for me - I use a 1911 for home defense, and I mount a light on it, hence I got one with a rail. I have two main 5" guns, one with a rail, and one without.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/mba656/guns/DSC03113.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/mba656/guns/DSC03114.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/mba656/guns/DSC03121.jpg
Nice NH. Buds has a bunch of them right now.

bac1023
08-07-2011, 14:42
Nice NH. Buds has a bunch of them right now.

I did see a few on there the other day.

limbkiller
08-07-2011, 14:58
I did see a few on there the other day.
Yea they carry a good selection most of the time. Dan's Discount Jewelry a pawn shop chain that decided to carry new guns keeps one in stock to. 10% down and 10% a month and it's yours. They will haggle on prices to. I just put a RIA CS .45 on lay away there. $500 out the door. Put $200 down and will pay it off in the next 2-3 weeks. They have lots of glocks and most are below $500. I'm not interested in plastc junk though.

rsxr22
08-07-2011, 15:06
I will also come in, late to the party with many of the same feelings. I love the way a pistol looks with a weapon mounted light! So yes i like light rails if its attached. To me, it is the ideal setup of a "FIGHTING" 1911..
http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/rsxr22/IMG_0047.jpg

Quack
08-07-2011, 15:08
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-nKCCZxV/0/L/i-nKCCZxV-L.jpg

Hokie1911
08-07-2011, 15:10
.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/mba656/guns/DSC03113.jpg


That is freaking awesome, Sam. Love that gun. :drool:

limbkiller
08-07-2011, 15:12
I will also come in, late to the party with many of the same feelings. I love the way a pistol looks with a weapon mounted light! So yes i like light rails if its attached. To me, it is the ideal setup of a "FIGHTING" 1911..
http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/rsxr22/IMG_0047.jpg
Is your gun having a baby?:supergrin:

Hokie1911
08-07-2011, 15:13
Is your gun having a baby?:supergrin:

Kind of reminds me of Quack...."doin' work".

limbkiller
08-07-2011, 15:15
Kind of reminds me of Quack...."doin' work".
:animlol::ack:

Quack
08-07-2011, 15:17
I've never taken a picture of my dangling participle..:animlol:

Cerebrus
08-07-2011, 15:20
I've never taken a picture of my dangling participle..:animlol:

Thank god for that...:shocked:

Hokie1911
08-07-2011, 15:22
Thank god for that...:shocked:

He doesn't have a large enough telephoto lens. :supergrin:

http://www.pma-show.com/news_images/00176_sigma_lens_500mm.jpg

rigjumpr
08-07-2011, 15:23
For what it's worth, Kimber yes. rail no.

TKR Reptiles
08-07-2011, 15:51
I will also come in, late to the party with many of the same feelings. I love the way a pistol looks with a weapon mounted light! So yes i like light rails if its attached. To me, it is the ideal setup of a "FIGHTING" 1911..
http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/rsxr22/IMG_0047.jpg

Now that is SEXY!!!

wheelman707
08-07-2011, 17:16
+ 1 for RAIL!!!