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polizei1
08-06-2011, 18:38
Alright, how many others have Ionbond? My EMP has finally started to show some wear, mostly holster wear but I've also managed to take some off of my magwell (actually, a lot). The front strap also has a ding in it, I'm assuming from when I let one of my buddies friend shoot it (must have been a ring).

I was mad a first, but life goes on...I use my pistol, I carry it everyday, and I have almost 1,400 rounds through it since the build. Not the most rounds, but I'm slowly trying to get it up as high as I can. :tongueout:

I still haven't cleaned it, pictures will come when I finish doing my 1k round "no cleaning" test. I'm just merely curious, as far as I know, the only other person to wear Ionbond/Melonite is Gary. :rofl:

faawrenchbndr
08-06-2011, 18:47
Dang,......I thought is was nearly indestructable.

Pics?

skdmrklcy
08-06-2011, 18:49
It is all the gaming you have started :P

polizei1
08-06-2011, 18:52
I don't have any right now, but I'll post some soon.

It's not like traditional wear like on a blued 1911, at least not in my case. They appear more as colored scratches and dark spots where it's "rubbed." Kind of hard to explain, I'll have to snap pics.

And yes, since I've started shooting USPSA, even though I've only shot one match, I've been dryfiring and drawing/reloading a LOT since. This is where 90% of it came from.

Hokie1911
08-06-2011, 18:57
Dude, you are waaaaaaaaay overthinking this gun. Hello...it's a carry gun. It's going to show wear...scratches....dinks....etc. If you were so worried about it, maybe a Harrison for EDC was a bad idea and a big waste of money. Maybe you should have it refinished and keep it in the safe. :whistling:

GJ1981
08-06-2011, 19:00
I'm just merely curious, as far as I know, the only other person to wear Ionbond/Melonite is Gary.

I have a way with making any finish show wear, even my Glocks and M&P's :rofl:


Here's some very little wear around the 2500 round mark. I might just keep this thing and start beat the crap of out it -

http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm441/gj1981/SA%20Custom%20Carry/SA%20Custom%20Reports/DSC00879.jpg

http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm441/gj1981/SA%20Custom%20Carry/DSC00762.jpg

http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm441/gj1981/SA%20Custom%20Carry/SA%20Custom%20Reports/DSC00887.jpg

http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm441/gj1981/SA%20Custom%20Carry/SA%20Custom%20Reports/DSC00884.jpg


My NH after 1500...don't have any other pics.
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm441/gj1981/Nighthawk%20Enforcer/DSC00500.jpg


Overall, IB is VERY tough, much better than the paint finishes.





It's not like traditional wear like on a blued 1911, at least not in my case. They appear more as colored scratches and dark spots where it's "rubbed." Kind of hard to explain, I'll have to snap pics.



If you're using a kydex holster it is most likely plastic from the holster on your pistol. When I did draws with mine it would look the same. Just take a nylon brush with some CLP and it comes right off.

polizei1
08-06-2011, 19:30
First off, I'm not mad about the finish, I actually love it. The part I was mad about was how my FSC got dinged up. It wasn't from me, lol.

Here are some pictures...click for hi-res!

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j96/polizei1/DSC02206.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j96/polizei1/DSC02207.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j96/polizei1/DSC02208.jpg

(This marking must have been kydex, because it rubbed off with oil)

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j96/polizei1/DSC02214.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j96/polizei1/DSC02213.jpg

(obviously the hammer is going to show wear, but I like the picture)

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j96/polizei1/DSC02209.jpg

polizei1
08-06-2011, 19:31
Couple magwell/FSC pictures which shows the "damage"

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j96/polizei1/DSC02212.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j96/polizei1/DSC02211.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j96/polizei1/DSC02210.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j96/polizei1/DSC02106.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j96/polizei1/DSC02107.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j96/polizei1/DSC02108.jpg

I'm proud to say I use and carry my gun. Ionbond is an awesome finish, and very durable. I actually took this time to also look inside real quick and re-lube it. As far as I can tell, there still isn't any signs of wear internally. I'm quite impressed with this finish! I don't believe in safe queens, unless they are extremely rare firearms.

GJ1981
08-06-2011, 19:36
Is it just the pics or is the metal in your magwell deforming? Looks like the aluminum is taking a worse beating than the finish, but I didn't think it was that soft. Could be IB doesn't adhere to aluminum as well as steel?

Look good either way, nice to see a pistol getting used.

skdmrklcy
08-06-2011, 19:37
The 9mm EMP is not a steel frame is it?

Seems like it is more dings of the aluminum than it is a finish issue.

Hokie1911
08-06-2011, 19:38
EMP is aluminum.

Z28ricer
08-06-2011, 19:39
9mm EMP is aluminum.

Fixed for you.

polizei1
08-06-2011, 19:41
It's aluminum, which I'm assuming is why it "dented" the magwell some in the corners. As for the ding on the FSC, I believe that was from a ring that probably ground down the metal.

Now if I could only hit my reloads instead of the magwell. :rofl:

Hokie1911
08-06-2011, 19:42
Fixed for you.

The EMP in question is a 9mm, therefore I didn't see the need to elaborate. :tongueout:

Z28ricer
08-06-2011, 19:45
The EMP in question is a 9mm, therefore I didn't see the need to elaborate. :tongueout:

Yeah but without specifying that, just the plain statement someone after one may be mislead :whistling:

Still dont see why they didnt make the .40's alloy also, if they were i'd buy one.

Hokie1911
08-06-2011, 19:51
Yeah but without specifying that, just the plain statement someone after one may be mislead :whistling:

Still dont see why they didnt make the .40's alloy also, if they were i'd buy one.

Sorry. Should have said "his".

Yeah, I love the 9mm. Don't care for the .40. Sort of negates the benefit of the gun.

Z28ricer
08-06-2011, 19:52
Sort of negates the benefit of the gun.

What makes you say that ?

Hokie1911
08-06-2011, 19:59
What makes you say that ?

The benefits of the EMP are size and weight. If you remove the weight cinsideration, you are left with size. My Kobra Carry easily conceals in a t-shirt and shorts. I'd much rather carry a .45, as I don't see any real benefit to .40 and personally don't care to shoot it. Just my 2. YMMV.

polizei1
08-06-2011, 20:03
I agree! If I were to carry a steel 1911, it would be a .45. The only purpose I can think of for .40 is to meet major PF. :rofl:

MD357
08-06-2011, 20:07
The benefits of the EMP are size and weight. If you remove the weight cinsideration, you are left with size. My Kobra Carry easily conceals in a t-shirt and shorts. I'd much rather carry a .45, as I don't see any real benefit to .40 and personally don't care to shoot it. Just my 2. YMMV.

Oh yeah? Well my CQB in .40 and EMP in .40 can beat up your KC!!!
:wavey:

FWIW, the weight of the .40 REALLY soaks up the recoil coupled with that truck spring they put in there. It's honestly a great package should one decide to go with .40. In which I believe .40 is MUCH better suited for shorter barrels than .45 and the finicky history of 3" 1911s has kinda proved that.

Hokie1911
08-06-2011, 20:13
Oh yeah? Well my CQB in .40 and EMP in .40 can beat up your KC!!!
:wavey:

FWIW, the weight of the .40 REALLY soaks up the recoil coupled with that truck spring they put in there. It's honestly a great package should one decide to go with .40. In which I believe .40 is MUCH better suited for shorter barrels than .45 and the finicky history of 3" 1911s has kinda proved that.

I wouldn't carry a .45 less than 4.25" anyway so :tongueout:

Besides, my 40 of Olde English would kick your ass.

TKR Reptiles
08-06-2011, 20:20
Dang that is a crap load of wear in such a short time and usage. Glad I saw that, I was contemplating the Ionbond route sometime soon. That won't happen now.

98_1LE
08-06-2011, 20:41
I need to get batteries for the camera, but my Fusion 9mm longslide has a little over 4,500 rounds since Ion Bond (>6,500 total thru gun) and I was looking at the wear while cleaning it earlier. It doesn't seem to hold up as well as hard chrome, but is pretty durable. There is some wear inside the slide where the rails ride, where the hammer rides on the slide, and on the barrel lugs. By wear I mean the black has worn down or away and it is silver & shiny now, or on the way.

I am very happy with how it is holding up compared to anything else I have used besides hard chrome, and then I question how easy it is to tell when the HC has worn away and is into the under metal.

faawrenchbndr
08-06-2011, 20:44
polizei1

Looks like that wears a bit like my bead blasted stainless Miller Custom GI
Kinda a burnished lookin wear marks. Shows character & love of use, not abuse.

MD357
08-06-2011, 20:57
Besides, my 40 of Olde English would kick your ass.

It sure would, I was dumb enough to try Edward 40hands one night..... :rofl:


To the others, I'm not seeing THAT much wear? or wear that would bother me after 1,500 rounds?

Bodyarmorguy
08-07-2011, 04:21
I have a Colt Government which was refinished in Ionbond DLC. This pistol saw almost daily carry from March 2010 thru December 2010 and still sees some carry these days. In April 2010 it was used at a 3 day Vickers Carbine/Pistol class, shot about 400 rounds and rolled around a little on the gravel range. Total round count since Ionbond was applied is probably 1500+.

Heirloom Precision did the build and Jason said that the hardest thing on Ionbond is another Ionbond treated surface. My pistol has shown no noticeable wear to the finish. Holster used has been leather. I will disassemble and shoot some pics of bearing surfaces.

silversport
08-07-2011, 05:46
Bodyarmorguy,

You make a good point and there may be something to that...

I had my 1986 SiG P225 refinished by SiG in full Nitron in 2006...both the slide AND the frame...I was told by some people who should know to watch the wear on the frame rails as Nitron on Nitron is pretty brutal to each other...Nitron from SiG is reported to be IONbond (all I know is they sent it to the same town and state where IONbond is located ;) )...

I don't see any significant wear as yet but have very few rounds through this particular SiG...

Bill

GJ1981
08-07-2011, 06:42
To the others, I'm not seeing THAT much wear? or wear that would bother me after 1,500 rounds?

That was the point of my pics, even with close to twice the rounds (for one pistol at least) mine still has barely any wear. :wavey:

If I get motivated I'll take some pics of it now...not much different though.

polizei1
08-07-2011, 07:03
Maybe I wasn't exactly clear...I love the finish, and I would recommend Ionbond if you want a hard use durable finish. Like I said, mine still hasn't (to my knowledge) shown any internal wear. The finish is really impressive in that matter. The only legitimate "wear" from my pictures are those little "scratches" near the barrel. The black marks were kydex that rubbed off with oil.

As was discussed earlier, I believe the Ionbond didn't have a chance on the magwell. The beating from the mags on the aluminum just doesn't hold up like steel, so that's not exactly Ionbond's fault. If anything, it was my fault. John Harrison even recommend's Type III on aluminum frames, but I wanted the whole pistol done in Ionbond. It's known to be a bit more brittle on aluminum, but unlike Melonite/Hard Hat you can't even get those on aluminum.

Overall this was to show that while Ionbond might wear, it's pretty insignificant and the finish is very durable. Who knows, when I clean it those marks might even come out.

silversport
08-07-2011, 11:18
could the combination of dirt, unburnt powder, etc. at the muzzle and the inside of your holster be conspiring to "sand" or abrade the finish???

Bill

MD357
08-07-2011, 11:31
could the combination of dirt, unburnt powder, etc. at the muzzle and the inside of your holster be conspiring to "sand" or abrade the finish???

Bill

I've actually seen that with a freshly IB'ed 1911. Some sand got between the Keydex and the gun and it looked like a Polar Bear was handling it.

Hokie1911
08-07-2011, 11:33
could the combination of dirt, unburnt powder, etc. at the muzzle and the inside of your holster be conspiring to "sand" or abrade the finish???

Bill

That's what I was thinking. I never really understood the "I'm gonna shoot a bazillion rounds without cleaning" mentality. Especially in a carry gun. Maybe I am in the minority here, but I want my carry gun, the gun I am using to save my bacon if the SHTF, to function flawlessly if ever needed. I prefer to make sure it is cleaned and lubed to insure that...removing any variables that could prevent it from doing so. :dunno:

MD357
08-07-2011, 11:48
That's what I was thinking. I never really understood the "I'm gonna shoot a bazillion rounds without cleaning" mentality. Especially in a carry gun. Maybe I am in the minority here, but I want my carry gun, the gun I am using to save my bacon if the SHTF, to function flawlessly if ever needed. I prefer to make sure it is cleaned and lubed to insure that...removing any variables that could prevent it from doing so. :dunno:


Well the last time I was in a 1000rd gangfight in the desert there was no lube to be found anywhere, so it's nice to know my carry gun could do it. :dunno: :cool:

GJ1981
08-07-2011, 11:54
I never really understood the "I'm gonna shoot a bazillion rounds without cleaning" mentality.

If a pistol will run with minimal maintenance, I'll bet it will run just fine when clean. The other way around isn't always true.

I've ran close to 1000 rounds through my carry pistol in a day of shooting, it was nice to know I didn't have to scrub it down before trusting it in my holster :cool:

Hokie1911
08-07-2011, 11:59
Well the last time I was in a 1000rd gangfight in the desert there was no lube to be found anywhere, so it's nice to know my carry gun could do it. :dunno: :cool:

If a pistol will run with minimal maintenance, I'll bet it will run just fine when clean. The other way around isn't always true.


Both valid points. :supergrin:

polizei1
08-07-2011, 15:51
The purpose is exactly what Gary said. Our M16's don't always have lube, and often are completely dry. If they run like this, chances are they will in combat. Same situation for my carry gun. I want to know that it will not malfunction with dirt, debris, and crude in it. If it doesn't malfunction like that, then it probably won't malfunction if it's clean.

Don't get me wrong, I like keeping my weapons clean. I clean them right after a range session and put them away with a light coat of oil. I just wanted to do this test to ensure the gun will run, and run, and run, which it does. After the 2 FTE's in the first mag, I have had ZERO malfunctions with this, and I owe that 100% to John. I just wanted to see if the gun had anymore issues, which it clearly hasn't.

MD357
08-07-2011, 18:51
Both valid points. :supergrin:

Well if anything, torture tests offer a bit of reality for people that simply claim "glock is the superior weapon." :cool:

silversport
08-08-2011, 04:42
I wonder if those who do the torture tests, at some point replace all the springs and such when the test is over (or is it ever over?)...what about the time you proclaim...the test is over...gun X passed...and then it dies from lack of maintenance...:dunno:
Bill

polizei1
08-08-2011, 05:10
I've often wondered that myself...after leaving their glock in the mud, water, sand, etc.etc. they should probably replace almost everything I would imagine.

Don't worry, I would never be that stupid to abuse my EMP like that.

Z28ricer
08-08-2011, 10:46
I'll leave dunking my own pistols in mud and other stupid "tests" to those with more free time for playing in the mud.

Though my kimber survived me being shoved into a pool, and falling into the water fishing, surface rust pretty quick, but it came off no problem.

syr74
08-08-2011, 17:24
I'm always a little surprised when we see more evidence that hardchrome (really TDC in almost all cases) is tougher than Ionbond DLC. The specs for DLC's in general really make it seem as though this stuff should basically be the black equivalent to hard chrome/TDC. I wonder if this is just a case of how the folks that do Ionbond do it and not indicative of the DLC's in general.

This wouldn't turn me off of Ionbond altogether, but it honestly does tilt the scale a little toward TDC for me unless a black finish is a really high priority.

polizei1
08-08-2011, 18:24
See that's the thing...Hardchrome is awesome for sure, but the color is obviously only one way. So if you want HC, get HC. If you want black, get Ionbond.

Probably the two best finishes on the market.

98_1LE
08-12-2011, 23:09
As promised here are photos of my Fusion's Ion Bond wear. This is 4,455 rounds of wear since Ion Bond, and 6,655 total on the pistol.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2z8c1uf.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/if1u76.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/xf0vvs.jpg

Kara's HoPE
08-13-2011, 09:17
Does anyone know how IonBond compares to Sig's "Nitron" finish? I thought they were about the same thing but perhaps that was an ignorant presumption....

I have a P220 with countless presentations from a Safariland 6004 and the slide looks brand-damn-new... (the slide is the only part of the gun which is Nitron)

awpk03s
08-13-2011, 09:57
As promised here are photos of my Fusion's Ion Bond wear. This is 4,455 rounds of wear since Ion Bond, and 6,655 total on the pistol.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2z8c1uf.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/if1u76.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/xf0vvs.jpg

Yeah man, do the Diet Dew!

Nice pistol too.

silversport
08-13-2011, 12:14
Does anyone know how IonBond compares to Sig's "Nitron" finish? I thought they were about the same thing but perhaps that was an ignorant presumption....

I have a P220 with countless presentations from a Safariland 6004 and the slide looks brand-damn-new... (the slide is the only part of the gun which is Nitron)

they are SO about the same thing :supergrin:...since IONBond IS (or was not sure anymore) SiG's Nitron applier...least they were on my P225 refinished slide and frame in 2006 (yes they can do alloy frames) as well as my SiGARMS GSR Revolution STX 1911 pattern pistol's slide...:thumbsup:

Bill

Kara's HoPE
08-13-2011, 13:16
Thanks for the info Bill....

silversport
08-13-2011, 15:33
:thumbsup: ...anytime...

Bill