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catalyst686
08-07-2011, 00:47
I'm looking to get my first 1911, I'd like it to have a rail, skeletonized hammer, maybe the trigger as well. This will be my first 1911 and I really have no idea what to look for as I am uneducated with the model. I want it to be a tac driver, as accurate as possible, as well as having the legendary 1911 crisp trigger. My price range is 1K, thanks for the advice fellas. The gun will mainly serve as a secondary home defense/ range gun, I don't plan on carrying it.

majette
08-07-2011, 02:29
springfield operator first, colt rail gun second. honorable mention to the doublestar railed 1911.

G27RR
08-07-2011, 05:32
You might also look into the STI Duty One. It's a little more than the Colt, but you get a checkered front strap among other things for the extra $200 or so.

http://stiguns.com/guns/DutyOne/DutyOne.php

Baba Louie
08-07-2011, 07:15
1st 1911 huh? This year? Hmmmm. Rail too eh? $1000 or so you say? I'd look long and hard at Colt's centennial offering but I'd have no problem doing the same with Springfields Operator or even S&W's railed version. Each company has good QC and CS.

The Inaugural Purchase... It's a nice problem to have. Now don't blow it... :supergrin:

TKR Reptiles
08-07-2011, 07:17
Springfield Operator all the way...

bac1023
08-07-2011, 07:26
You have to go Springfield.

However, the DoubleStar is also a good option.

69Charger
08-07-2011, 07:38
A rail on a 1911? For an extra chunk of nonsensical gumbo? That, and its almost uglyer then front serrations. (barf) OK its AS ugly.
If its your first, why not get a traditional 1911 and see if you really need that other crap? Look at all the best 1911s. Got junk in there trunk? Nope.
This is just my opinion and is only meant as such.
Dave

polizei1
08-07-2011, 07:50
My vote goes to SA.

limbkiller
08-07-2011, 07:56
Colt baby!!

Quack
08-07-2011, 08:03
SA MC Operator if you want a steel guns, or the Loaded LW Operator

Cerebrus
08-07-2011, 08:03
Good luck finding a Colt right now.. I would look into STI as well.. and if you cant find one of those go with the SA op..

limbkiller
08-07-2011, 08:09
Over a thousand though.
http://www.gilbertsguns.com/Handguns/Colt/Colt+1911+Government+Rail+Gun+45+ACP+Pistol+01980RG

Hokie1911
08-07-2011, 08:14
Springfield Operator. :thumbsup:

limbkiller
08-07-2011, 08:17
STI
http://shootersconnectionstore.com/

GeorgiaRedfish
08-07-2011, 08:17
Over a thousand though.
http://www.gilbertsguns.com/Handguns/Colt/Colt+1911+Government+Rail+Gun+45+ACP+Pistol+01980RG

Are the all the colt rail guns series 80?

skdmrklcy
08-07-2011, 08:26
Are the all the colt rail guns series 80?

Yeah they are.

Cerebrus
08-07-2011, 08:32
I do believe so.. however I could be wrong about that

GeorgiaRedfish
08-07-2011, 08:39
Well then no doubt about it, Springfield

faawrenchbndr
08-07-2011, 09:00
SA MC Operator if you want a steel guns, or the Loaded LW Operator

This,.....:supergrin:

3rdgen40
08-07-2011, 09:22
A rail on a 1911? For an extra chunk of nonsensical gumbo? That, and its almost uglyer then front serrations. (barf) OK its AS ugly.
If its your first, why not get a traditional 1911 and see if you really need that other crap? Look at all the best 1911s. Got junk in there trunk? Nope.
This is just my opinion and is only meant as such.
Dave
This.No light rails on a 1911 for me.I think a good hand held light like a Surefire is more practical.

d90king
08-07-2011, 10:24
Colt Rail gun would be my choice. I am hearing some really good feedback from some guys that have been running them hard through classes with great results.

MajorD
08-07-2011, 13:55
I just can't stomach a 1911 not made in the USA. If I was going for a standard production 1911 with rail, It would have to be a Colt.

Fedor
08-07-2011, 14:08
Here you go...

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h430/Fedor61/IMG_5608.jpg

Fedor
08-07-2011, 14:10
I just can't stomach a 1911 not made in the USA. If I was going for a standard production 1911 with rail, It would have to be a Colt.

I used to think like that until I picked up my ATI Titan.

Cerebrus
08-07-2011, 14:33
Last I checked STI was still manufacturing in TX..

limbkiller
08-07-2011, 14:38
Last I checked STI was still manufacturing in TX..
The are manufactuered in the Phillipines by Armscor but put together in Tx. Like SA is in Brazil.

Cerebrus
08-07-2011, 14:43
The are manufactuered in the Phillipines by Armscor but put together in Tx. Like SA is in Brazil.

I thought that was just the Spartan model..

limbkiller
08-07-2011, 14:48
I thought that was just the Spartan model..
I could be wrong and I'm sure someone will let us know but I think it's most of them.

Cerebrus
08-07-2011, 14:55
I just checked the website..
"STI International, Inc. manufactures all of its own components except pins, springs, scopes, and our outsourced firearms, the Spartan (http://www.stiguns.com/guns/Spartan/Spartan.php) and the Texican (http://www.stiguns.com/BusinessPractices.php#). The suppliers of these purchased parts are reputable manufacturers with whom we have long term business relationships." http://www.stiguns.com/BusinessPractices.php

Quack
08-07-2011, 14:58
I could be wrong and I'm sure someone will let us know but I think it's most of them.

Nope, only the Spartan, Texican and GP6 are imported

rsxr22
08-07-2011, 14:59
I like STI's better than SA's imo, but SA does apply a better finish in the armory kote.

limbkiller
08-07-2011, 15:00
I knew someone would know. GUESS WHO.:rofl:

catalyst686
08-07-2011, 18:14
The Springfield operator is looking pretty good right about now.

G27RR
08-08-2011, 18:31
I just checked the website..
"STI International, Inc. manufactures all of its own components except pins, springs, scopes, and our outsourced firearms, the Spartan (http://www.stiguns.com/guns/Spartan/Spartan.php) and the Texican (http://www.stiguns.com/BusinessPractices.php#). The suppliers of these purchased parts are reputable manufacturers with whom we have long term business relationships." http://www.stiguns.com/BusinessPractices.php

They give factory tours, too, and you can watch them milling their own parts - sears, hammers, struts, magwells, frames, slides, etc., etc.

I took one last month with my brother, it was a good time and very informative. The few things they contract they try to keep local here in central Texas. For example, they use some KG finishes (sprayed in-house), and KG moved to nearby Taylor, TX a while back. Heat treating is done in Round Rock, TX. STI does their own bluing. They are proud of doing as much in the USA, and specifically in TX, as possible.

As far as Armscor, I was told (by the factory rep giving the tour) STI went over and setup six guys in a separate room at Armscor. Those six work only on the Spartan, which is built to STI's specs, using STI internals. The internals are made in TX and shipped over for assembly. If you need warranty work, it is likely to be done in Georgetown. They rarely ship a Spartan back to the Armscor factory.

Cerebrus
08-08-2011, 18:50
thanks for the added info!! good to know

wheelman707
08-08-2011, 19:14
#1 kimber desert warrior (about $1200 from budsgunshop.com) I LOVE MINE! EATS UP ALL AMMO AND I MEAN ALL!! SHE HANDLES ABUSE VERY WELL!!! I trust my life more with my kimber than my m9.
:rock::2gun::rock:

#2 Springfield operator(I like all operators)

knedrgr
08-08-2011, 20:54
SA OPERATOR 45.

Of the operators that I've handle, they are all on the TRP level.

catalyst686
08-08-2011, 21:14
What's everyone's opinions on the Kimber pro TLE/RL 2?
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/40/products_id/411534769

Quack
08-08-2011, 21:16
Series 2 = firing pin block.

Z28ricer
08-08-2011, 21:41
Series 2 = firing pin block.

Oh noes !

Z28ricer
08-08-2011, 21:52
What's everyone's opinions on the Kimber pro TLE/RL 2?
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/40/products_id/411534769

I'd take the springfield lw operator, 36 oz vs 31 oz is a noticeable difference.

catalyst686
08-09-2011, 03:20
Series 2 = firing pin block.
Educate me

Z28ricer
08-09-2011, 13:47
Educate me

http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/tech/Kimber_SII_FPB.htm

Safety thats controlled by the grip safety, some people dislike anything when they think of something without a safety like this because the earlier pistols didnt have it at all, so they usually equate it to the first colts with it, which it was tied in with trigger pull, effecting the quality of the trigger's pull.


The Kimber setup completely uses the grip safety, and does not effect the trigger, some people just go all crosseyed when they dont have it the "old way"

catalyst686
08-12-2011, 07:36
toyed with a kimber covert today, sweetest trigger I've felt in my life, then again, I've never shot a 1911. Soooo, what's everyone's opinion on kimbers? Crap? Requires gun smithing? I can't find a Springfield operator to handle anywhere around me, trying to get a feel for the platform...

G27RR
08-12-2011, 07:57
I bought a Super Carry Pro last year. After my experience with it and Kimber customer service/warranty repair, I will not buy another and do not recommend them. There are far better values, better made pistols, and longer warranties for the same or less money. I've previously posted some of my experience, so if you want to read it search my user name.

catalyst686
08-13-2011, 00:56
Just saw the Sig TacOps 1911, I'm really liking it, especially the grips. How does it compare to the Springfield operator. Pros/cons.... They are a bit cheaper also, which helps.