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quake
08-12-2011, 14:45
Trailmaster in factory kydex sheath. If you like these, great; personally I canít stand them. Even if they worked for us left-handers (which they donít), I still donít like it; personal opinion only and not objective assessment, I admitÖ
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f360/quake316/Cold%20Steel/TM-kydex-1.jpg

Same trailmaster in the Bay State Leather ambidextrous sheath, which works for lefties & righties both. (Looks very plain in this pic, but this is the bare-bones view - it gets better.) Sheath can be had in brown or black Ė when I ordered mine, Bruce actually made up two in brown, posted pics and let me take my pick; all in just over a week Ė very good customer service. The little protrusion on the edge will be explained as we go:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f360/quake316/Cold%20Steel/TM-BSL-edited.jpg

This particular sheath comes with a two-section accessory pouch, intended for a multitool and ferrocerium rod:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f360/quake316/Cold%20Steel/TM-BSL-separate.jpg

Pouch is made to fit around sheath, with straps & snaps on the back:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f360/quake316/Cold%20Steel/TM-BSL-pouchreverse.jpg

On the sheath, held in place by four snaps and the small (looped) leather protrusion on the edge:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f360/quake316/Cold%20Steel/TM-BSL-allnosteel-edited.jpg

Continued below due to pic limit...

quake
08-12-2011, 14:50
Continued...

Back side with the pouch attached Ė showing snaps & securing loop (not sure what to call that loopÖ); itís just a little hollow sleeve:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f360/quake316/Cold%20Steel/TM-BSM-allrevnosteel-edited.jpg

In the pouch, I put a Leatherman supertool 300, and a combo magnesium/ferrocerium stick. If I were Daniel Boone with months of no re-supply in sight, Iíd go with a thicker ferro rod and forgo the magnesium:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f360/quake316/Cold%20Steel/TM-BSL-pouchopen-edited.jpg

For the finishing touch - in the looped protrusion, a small sharpening steel (taken from a retracting Gerber sharpener) fits like it was meant for it. Narrow duct tape wrapped to give a little better grip and to prevent it sliding down out of the loop:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f360/quake316/Cold%20Steel/TM-BSL-all-edited.jpg



All said & done, grabbing this knife sheath gives me a large woods knife, a very good multitool, a sharpening steel for both, plus fire-making capability. All in a simple (admittedly not feather light) grab-n-go package:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f360/quake316/Cold%20Steel/TM-BSL-contents-edited.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f360/quake316/Cold%20Steel/TM-BSL-contentsopen-edited.jpg




Summary - very, very happy with the package. Only one change I may make is to regarding the belt attachement. Itís currently a quick-attach snap setup and Iíll likely replace the snap with a screw or even rivet. Nothing inherently wrong with the snap-on setup and itíd probably be fine forever as is; but being somewhat of a belt-and-suspenders fan when it comes to woods gear, I like the idea of a non-quick-attach setup better than a snap. Not a criticism at all; most people would probably prefer the snap Ė just not my preference.

Overall, the quality is excellent. The leather is stout without being brittle or clunky, everything fits very well, and the stitching & edge finishing (two weak points for a lot of leather goods) are both top-notch.



This webpage is where I originally found Bay State Leather Ė as fate would have it, itís a group of pics & reviews by another satisfied customer: http://www.m4040.com/Knifemaking/Sheaths/Sheaths.htm

That page has one done in black, for a scrapyard dogfather instead of a trailmaster. Very sharp in black with the nifty paracord wrap, but again, just not my preference.

Bay State Leather sheath page: http://baystateleather.net/KniveSheaths.aspx

This is the two Bruce made when I ordered one Ė the dark brown is the one I chose; the antique brown may still be available if a person didnít want to wait to have one made to order: http://baystateleather.net/CustomOrders.aspx

Final comment Ė based on just the one transaction, Iím happy enough with the product & service both that Iíll likely have a similar rig made up for my 8Ē marbles ideal as well. The fact that Iíd use his product for my favorite, and most-used woods knife is about as high a recommendation as I can give.

Ruble Noon
08-12-2011, 15:33
Did he already have the pattern for your knife or did you send him the knife for reference?
I really like the looks of your sheath.

cyrsequipment
08-12-2011, 16:48
Great review, nice looking sheath... sorry about that disability of yours. Being left handed isn't that bad, or so I'm told, with proper training some people get over it...:tongueout:

LongGun1
08-12-2011, 19:29
Nice Setup! :thumbsup:


Thanks for the review! :supergrin:

ratf51
08-12-2011, 20:59
That is a really nice set-up. Thanks for the review. You've got a lot of bases covered with that!

quake
08-12-2011, 21:16
Did he already have the pattern for your knife or did you send him the knife for reference?
I really like the looks of your sheath.

His pattern; same one he uses for the slightly-longer dogfather. (This is from the M4040 link above):
http://www.m4040.com/Knifemaking/PICTURES/Sheaths/100_1292.jpg

I asked him about making one for my marbles which he doesn't have a pattern for, and he said to just trace it onto graph paper, scan it & email him the scanned image so he can reproduce the dimensions. I like that approach, as I'd be leery sending a relatively expensive (and now-discontinued & so irreplaceable) knife off, even to a reputable dealer.

quake
08-12-2011, 21:32
Great review, nice looking sheath... sorry about that disability of yours. Being left handed isn't that bad, or so I'm told, with proper training some people get over it...:tongueout:

I hear ya... It's the closest thing to 'minority' status I've got going for me. :whistling:

Of course, it's offset by the fact that I'm a conservative heterosexual angry white male who's preoccupied with clinging to my guns & religion; so no valid "minority status" or any of the inevitable associated gubmint handouts for me. Certainly does suck to be a productive member of society nowadays... :sad:

Ruble Noon
08-12-2011, 21:39
His pattern; same one he uses for the slightly-longer dogfather. (This is from the M4040 link above):
http://www.m4040.com/Knifemaking/PICTURES/Sheaths/100_1292.jpg

I asked him about making one for my marbles which he doesn't have a pattern for, and he said to just trace it onto graph paper, scan it & email him the scanned image so he can reproduce the dimensions. I like that approach, as I'd be leery sending a relatively expensive (and now-discontinued & so irreplaceable) knife off, even to a reputable dealer.

Thanks for the info. My son and I have been making knives out of leaf springs and I have been looking for someone to make some sheaths to fit them.

BR549
08-15-2011, 08:23
Trailmaster in factory kydex sheath. If you like these, great; personally I canít stand them. Even if they worked for us left-handers (which they donít), I still donít like it; personal opinion only and not objective assessment, I admit

I'm not knocking your opinion on leather vs. Kydex...

...but can't you use a screwdriver to turn that particular Kydex sheath around for Left-Handed-Use ? :whistling:

FWIW I don't like the use of nylon to "drop" the sheath to the preferred position unless the bottom of the sheath is "tied" to the leg...

A kydex drop loop can be fabricated very easily to provide the stiffness necessary to release the knife from the kydex when wanted.

BTW - that's some pretty leather. :cool:

quake
08-15-2011, 10:08
...can't you use a screwdriver to turn that particular Kydex sheath around for Left-Handed-Use ?
You can. I didn't even bother checking when I first got the knife, as I was so illified by the sheath itself. Like the nylon drop-loop as you mention; what's up with that...? Using a floppy piece of fabric like that on a sheath like this makes no sense to me (even if a person liked kydex sheaths) and is nearly unforgivable on cold steel's part imo. A very capable ~$200 knife, and they go and put it in a silly, half-rigid, half-floppy contraption like that. :puking:

So to be fair, yes you could. It would just still suck... :supergrin:


I'm actually considering replacing the rubber handle on the knife as well, as it's kind of small and tapered wrong imo. It's a variation on a coffin handle (which admittedly is common on bowies), but I prefer a palm-swell shape instead, like a kabar or marbles uses; something that gets larger in the center of the hand rather than skinnier. Frankly even if it were tapered correctly, the factory grip is also just a little too small for a knife this size; imo anyway.

BR549
08-15-2011, 12:20
You can. I didn't even bother checking when I first got the knife, as I was so illified by the sheath itself. Like the nylon drop-loop as you mention; what's up with that...? Using a floppy piece of fabric like that on a sheath like this makes no sense to me (even if a person liked kydex sheaths) and is nearly unforgivable on cold steel's part imo. A very capable ~$200 knife, and they go and put it in a silly, half-rigid, half-floppy contraption like that. :puking:

So to be fair, yes you could. It would just still suck... :supergrin:


I'm actually considering replacing the rubber handle on the knife as well, as it's kind of small and tapered wrong imo. It's a variation on a coffin handle (which admittedly is common on bowies), but I prefer a palm-swell shape instead, like a kabar or marbles uses; something that gets larger in the center of the hand rather than skinnier. Frankly even if it were tapered correctly, the factory grip is also just a little too small for a knife this size; imo anyway.

They expect you to tie it down to your leg like a gunslinger from the Ole South...ahh.. hmmm... I mean Old West. LOL Not always my choice.


You must have bought that thing a long time ago. There are many, many knives out there with handles/grips like you prefer, and that is an expensive knife for a Cold Steel. That's not a complaint against Cold Steel knives, but I have never seriously considered purchasing that knife just because of its price.

IMO this is a sweet knife made by BRKT for Blackjack:

http://www.knivesshipfree.com/product_info.php?cPath=653&products_id=6350

The grip has a decent palm swell and is a little slick, but it handles extremely well.




Back to the leather sheath this thread is really about...that's a good price if it's made to be durable. I might consider buying one for a Dogfather. Or I might consider selling my Dogfathers.

quake
08-15-2011, 13:01
...that's a good price if it's made to be durable. I might consider buying one for a Dogfather.

Only time will tell, but it certainly seems to be - I've done leatherwork small scale for a number of years so am somewhat familiar with what to watch for, and it's very well done as far as I can tell on the surface.

As for the grips (now that I can actually bring myself to use the knife), I'm leaning toward something similar to that blackjack. Only been thinking about it a little while, but what I'm initially picturing is something with the material and pommel shape of this bark river:
http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/knife_store/images/product_images/55_14773_1215520292_1.JPG

with a less-square profile, more like the marbles or kabar:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f360/quake316/Marbles/Marbles003-small.jpg

Main complication is that the trailmaster has a reduced full tang (like the marbles), and so the grip(s) would have to be fit around the tang metal rather than just attached to the tang slab-form the way a true full-tang knife could be. Gonna take some thinking & work if I decide to do it. Like I don't have enough projects... :treadmill:

FireForged
08-16-2011, 10:15
Whats up with the keyfob style belt loop?

quake
08-16-2011, 13:57
Whats up with the keyfob style belt loop?

It lets it dangle free, which is handy when you sit, squat, etc. When sitting down, that long a knife gets awkward, especially when 'forced' to some degree to go into a position that's at odds with the normal 90-degree angle to the belt that it typically holds & wants to stay at. The swivel helps keep it from binding. I haven't had the sheath long enough to say with much authority, but the little I've used it in the last week or so, it does behave better than a normal sheath does when I'm in a position other than standing or walking. (Driving, riding a 4-wheeler, taking a break, etc.)

For that matter, if you look at some old pics of cops, you'll see that a lot of duty holsters for revolvers has a similar snap-released swivel to keep the holster from binding when driving, etc.

http://www.foundvalue.com/upload/images/products/auctioneer1953_632824668855130000_MVC-001S.JPG

This is the first sheath I've had with this kind of setup, but so far I like it. May be a downside to it that I'll only encounter with more use; can't say yet.