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tercel89
08-14-2011, 18:54
I have a Springfield Armory Mil-Spec 1911 that I bought new back in 2004 . Is it a series 70 or 80 ?
I have heard that the series 80 1911's have the extra safety plunger and lots more things attached to the trigger mechanism . I have heard that these are not as crisp or good as the 70's which are supposed to have less parts and supposed to be better .
What does my Mil-Spec have and which of the series is better ?
I am a "glock" type guy but when it comes to detail stripping a 1911 , I am still new to it all . All I have did to my S.A. was remove the ILS and put in a new MSH by Wilson Combat that doesnt have the ILS (key lock) .
Any help and information is appreciated .

faawrenchbndr
08-14-2011, 18:56
All Springfields are series 70

bac1023
08-14-2011, 19:18
Springfields don't have firing pin safeties.

...they just have that stupid ILS in the housing.

Nakanokalronin
08-14-2011, 19:27
Series 70 with a 9mm/38 super titanium firing pin.

Which one is better? IMO the 70 series without the unnecessary extra parts that can fail at the wrong time.

MD357
08-14-2011, 19:33
Neither. Series 70 or 80 doesn't pertain to non-colt guns. You don't have a firing pin safety though, if that's what you're looking for.

brisk21
08-14-2011, 22:39
Its a series 70. Thats not the "proper" term since series 70 and 80 refer to Colt 1911s but since all other makers are copies I think its safe to use those terms. Generally, series 70s dont have (the completely unecessary) firing pin safety that can fail, while the series 80 have a trigger activated firing pin safety. Other 1911 makers, such as Smith & Wesson and Kimber use grip activated firing pin safetys that technically are different but still commonly referred to as series 80. I strongly prefer a series 70 1911.

MD357
08-14-2011, 23:31
Ok there's a LOT of misinformation being spread here so anyone can feel free to reference what I am saying.

Series 70 and series 80 designations pertain to COLTS ONLY as the FP safety is NOT the only difference.

Anyone that refers to S&W and Kimbers as Series 80 shows a gross amount of igorance as the FP mechanisms are completely different from Colt's.

Kimber HAS had a few problems with their FPSs failing, I've seen this before myself. In contrast, I've yet to see a TRUE series 80 style FPS fail.

Even I've been guilty of universally saying S70 or S80 but I've since learned not to do so because it causes confusion when relaying information to those newer to 1911s.

bac1023
08-15-2011, 04:17
Yep. Its no series, its simply a 1911 without a FPS.

okie
08-15-2011, 06:47
...they just have that stupid ILS in the housing.
Not mine:whistling::supergrin:

faawrenchbndr
08-15-2011, 06:54
.....

Even I've been guilty of universally saying S70 or S80 but I've since learned not to do so because it causes confusion when relaying information to those newer to 1911s.


Very true,.....I believe we, as a group, have, incorrectly labeled an ignition system,
that does not contain a firing pin safety, as a "series 70"

So we have,
-None
-Series 70
-Series 80
-Kimber's system
-Smith & Wesson's system

tercel89
08-15-2011, 20:53
Springfields don't have firing pin safeties.

...they just have that stupid ILS in the housing.

Yeah , that was the first and only thing I have did to my S.A. I took it out and replaced it with a Wilson Combat Flat MSH . I am learning slowly but surely :cool: