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thug23
08-16-2011, 05:24
So I'm in the market for a new 1911 and because of my states limitations (I've said before that MA. suks when it comes to gun rights) I can only choose a couple of brands out there.
Anyway I started scanning thru the site here and started to notice NOBODY seems to either own or support S&W models...WHY????
Am I missing something with S&W or are all the other models that much better?
Thankx for your imput.

carguy2244
08-16-2011, 05:53
I'd guess it's the combination of the company's previous foreign ownership, it's signing of an agreement in year 2000 with the Clinton administration, it's Internal Locking System, it's 1911s external extractor, and perhaps the Sigma.
S&W revolvers, whether pre ILS or not, are the gold standard, their M&P series off Glock Offs are serviceable weapons, and all the above notwithstanding, there 1911s excellent shooters.
Additionally, their use of Scandium, and their Performance Center, and their support of shooting sports give them a leadership role in the firearms industry.

Get a Smith 1911, you won't be disappointed.

BuckyP
08-16-2011, 06:15
I just sold my S&W 1911. It was a good gun and very reliable. I did NOT like the GS activated firing pin safety. I'll never buy that setup again. That being said, Smith is now making guns without this travesty, um I mean feature.

I didn't have a problem with the external extractor, except that it went through the rear cocking serrations and could effect grip on the slide in a hasty situation. I'd say front cocking serrations would fix that, but I'd get crucified here.
:outtahere:

clancy
08-16-2011, 06:35
I have a friend who has a Smith 1911. He loves it and it is primary carry piece.

yellolab
08-16-2011, 07:32
I have several revolvers, and a 1911 Gunsite.
The Gunsite is OK, works fine. For some reason it just does not do much for me though.

Kevin

Agent6-3/8
08-16-2011, 07:40
Personally, S&W's sloppily fit triggers and grip safties are deal breakers for me. (as well as the grip activated FPS) They're so easy to do there really isn't much excuse for them to not have a decent fit. Honestly, other than a few bare bones models, there isn't much in the sub $1200 category that excites me.


I think smithing my own guns has turned me into a 1911 snob! :shocked:

MD357
08-16-2011, 07:52
I think they are getting back on track. They goofed up the external extractor and are doing the right thing with the E-series. Personally, I can't figure out why they can't fit a Grip Safety. It's pretty bad when RIA has a better fit GS than a $900 S&W.

MinervaDoe
08-16-2011, 08:03
Where Are All The S&W Owners/Fans? (http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=17783387#post17783387)
http://glocktalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=193

Cerebrus
08-16-2011, 08:29
http://glocktalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=193

I am thinking he meant S&W 1911's..

fnfalman
08-16-2011, 08:57
I'm right here!!!

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Guns/Old%20Wheelguns/Revolvers018.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Guns/Old%20Wheelguns/Revolvers021.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Guns/Old%20Wheelguns/Revolvers019.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Guns/Old%20Wheelguns/Revolvers023.jpg

fnfalman
08-16-2011, 09:03
I am thinking he meant S&W 1911's..

Oops.:embarassed:

Not a fan then. Just got one for the hell of it more than anything.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Guns/Thanksgiving026.jpg

Fedor
08-16-2011, 11:26
I Like Mine. :cool:

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h430/Fedor61/IMG_5510.jpg

bac1023
08-16-2011, 19:36
I've got a couple and love both of them.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/120-1.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/123.jpg







http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/005-16.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/008-10.jpg

thug23
08-17-2011, 00:21
Thankx guys for the info I appreciate your honesty....and yes I was looking for 1911 owners.

*bac1023= what model numbers are those two S&W please?

bac1023
08-17-2011, 04:39
*bac1023= what model numbers are those two S&W please?

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764976_-1_757777_757776_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765495_-1_757754_757752_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

thug23
08-17-2011, 05:27
WHOA !!!! can you lead me to the base models instead? :rofl:

thug23
08-17-2011, 05:32
While I'm thinking about it....I've been reading a lot about the S&W 1911 and its problems and complaints from numerous people over all kind of matters so with that said would buying a base model be as good as one that's $1500.00-$2000.00 ?
I mean I know the difference in money brings a better product but are they generally build the same?
Not even sure myself if this makes sense...Lol

bac1023
08-17-2011, 06:50
WHOA !!!! can you lead me to the base models instead? :rofl:

Well, the first model is the Performance Center 1911. They sell for $1800-$2K in stores.

The other is as base as you can get. They sell for about $800.

thug23
08-17-2011, 08:09
I'm only guessing there's a big difference in the performance between the two...and for the price I hope so. BUT there is deffinatley a HUGE difference in the looks as the stainless looks AWESOME !!!!

bac1023
08-17-2011, 08:15
I'm only guessing there's a big difference in the performance between the two...and for the price I hope so. BUT there is deffinatley a HUGE difference in the looks as the stainless looks AWESOME !!!!

They're totally different 1911s. The PC models are outstanding.

GearGuru
08-19-2011, 06:09
PC's are great guns, I've had many PC models outside of 1911's , only one of those and they were all quality. I've carried a 1911PD commander for several years and it has been a great lightweight workhorse. My fullsize matched my Springer pretty much across the board, the external extractor is a deal breaker for many, but S&W's been doing them for many years across their models and all of mine have been absolutely reliable for me. For the $, I'm a fan.

KalashniKEV
08-19-2011, 07:12
Speaking of PC... I wonder if you can fire one with the magazine removed?

:rofl:

thug23
08-19-2011, 12:12
OK here comes the "rookie" question and I'm sorry for being such a green-horn here but...what is the external extractor and why does S&W have it and nobody is happy with it?
Why would I want to buy another model instead of S&W and its External Extractor?
OR
Is this just something that some people make a big deal out of but is actually nothing to worry about?
Thanks again for all your advice so far.

BuckyP
08-19-2011, 12:16
OK here comes the "rookie" question and I'm sorry for being such a green-horn here but...what is the external extractor and why does S&W have it and nobody is happy with it?
Why would I want to buy another model instead of S&W and its External Extractor?
OR
Is this just something that some people make a big deal out of but is actually nothing to worry about?
Thanks again for all your advice so far.

Some manufacturers tried an external extractor, did it wrong, and had problems.
That's enough to turn some people off. Others are just purists, so it bothers them in the fact that it's not the way it's suppose to be.

As for S&W, they seem to have done it right.

AlexHassin
08-19-2011, 14:22
Only hand gun I own is a smith and Wesson 1911. It’s a commander length it says SW1911Sc on the side. Great gun. It can be a little picky in the accuracy department. If I carried it I might be tempted to buy different grips. Or at least lock tight the ones it came out of the box with. Well I got it used so it thinks its stock.
On a cool note I am going to pistol shooting class next week at Smith and Wesson.

jrs93accord
08-19-2011, 17:00
I do have one.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2010/008.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2010/009.jpg

2007 SW1911 Tactical Rail Series

thug23
08-19-2011, 19:56
Awesome lookn S&W...is this the new "E" model?
Or one of the Performance Center ones?

bac1023
08-19-2011, 20:07
Awesome lookn S&W...is this the new "E" model?
Or one of the Performance Center ones?

Its a standard model.

Both the E Series and PC models have the thick extractor.

thug23
08-19-2011, 20:44
OK Got it.

bac1023
08-19-2011, 21:00
OK Got it.
No problem.

You can see how much thicker the extractor is on my PC model.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/008-10.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/123.jpg

dakota1911
08-19-2011, 23:17
Glocks also use an external extractor of a different design. S&W 1911s are very good, and I own a few. They are not real cheap though. I have also found them not real easy to find also.

syr74
08-19-2011, 23:25
Glocks also use an external extractor of a different design. S&W 1911s are very good, and I own a few. They are not real cheap though. I have also found them not real easy to find also.

For what you get I have actually been thinking that the S/W 1911's are a pretty good deal of late. That said, in my experience they are hard to find if you want to just run out and pick one up off the shelf.

Elsilrac1
08-20-2011, 17:07
I have a SW Doug Koenig in 45ACP that is perfect.

mr00jimbo
08-21-2011, 11:26
I Like Mine. :cool:

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h430/Fedor61/IMG_5510.jpg

Beautiful gun!
Can that safety warning be buffed out? I mean, it probably doesn't bother most people, but just outta curiosity.

bac1023
08-21-2011, 11:37
Glocks also use an external extractor of a different design. S&W 1911s are very good, and I own a few. They are not real cheap though. I have also found them not real easy to find also.

For what you get I have actually been thinking that the S/W 1911's are a pretty good deal of late. That said, in my experience they are hard to find if you want to just run out and pick one up off the shelf.

Very true

You don't see them sitting around in stores much.

limbkiller
08-21-2011, 14:38
Very true

You don't see them sitting around in stores much.
Buds and Jet Guns usually have several. They do now.

bac1023
08-21-2011, 15:59
Buds and Jet Guns usually have several. They do now.

:cool: