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Scott41984
08-16-2011, 20:16
I have a $1,000+/- budget to spend for my first 1911.

Here's what I do know for sure; I do want it for CCW and a .45cal.:cool:

*I'm 5'6 and small framed. I can conceal a G26 better than the G19 due to the small grip (I have a tendency of my shirts riding up above the G19 when carrying. However, the compact sized grip is better for shooting and comfort.

*How much more recoil is felt between the 3.5 and 4.0 barrels? I'm worried for quick follow up shots. I have not had the opportunity to shoot both, so I am relying on owners genuine opinions. Which is more manageable?

*Since the slide will ride in a holster, the difference in barrel/slide length doesn't really matter since it will sit approx. the same depth in both 3/4" 1911s; right?

I've researched and the general "thought" is stick with at least a 4" barrel. However, If I drop below there it will be SA/STI which both are very good companies. :popcorn:

The pistols I am looking at are:
Springfield Armory Ultra Compact
STI Shadow
Colt Defender
STI Guardian
Springfield Armory Light-Weight Champ.
Dan Wesson CCO


Thanks in advance for your honest opinions and I cant wait to join the 1911 club!! :wavey:

Hokie1911
08-16-2011, 20:24
For $1,000....STI Guardian.
For $1,300....DW CCO.

:thumbsup:

glock2740
08-16-2011, 20:37
Another vote for the DW CCO. :cool:


http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/IMG_3594.jpg

Quack
08-16-2011, 20:47
$1283
http://www.jetguns.com/wesson-bobtail-45acp-black-p-3071.html

dnuggett
08-16-2011, 20:56
*How much more recoil is felt between the 3.5 and 4.0 barrels? I'm worried for quick follow up shots. I have not had the opportunity to shoot both, so I am relying on owners genuine opinions. Which is more manageable?


I'll be blunt with you here. It doesn't matter. What will matter more than anything is your willingness to train and practice.

The LW Champ is a fantastic choice.

Scott41984
08-16-2011, 21:35
Thanks for the advice..

What does others think?

up1911fan
08-16-2011, 21:46
$1,000 pretty much rules out the CCO. I'd look at a Colt Defender or Springfield LW Champion.

Hokie1911
08-16-2011, 21:49
$1,000 pretty much rules out the CCO. I'd look at a Colt Defender or Springfield LW Champion.

Perhaps you overlooked the "+/-" with the $1k the OP said in his original post.

up1911fan
08-16-2011, 22:11
You got it Hokie, missed that part. If the CCO price is doable, I think it's the best option.

knedrgr
08-17-2011, 05:51
I have both DW CCO and SA UC. And I really like them both. Since they both have officer size frames, they both conceal very similar. And the slide's length is barely noticeable when carry IWB.

I haven't had any issues with either one and have been flawless. To be honest, I had to polish the feed ramp on the SA UC to help it feed JHP. The reason is because I just don't see the point in "breaking in the pistol" with 500 rounds before it can feed JHP.

For the extra money, they DW CCO is just more refined and is better fitted in every way.

In shooting both of them, they are both similar in "kick" with 45ACP. The aluminum frame of the CCO is nice, but the extra slide length keeps it tempered. And the UC's all-steel frame and slide has a nice weight to keep the 45 manageable.

The added slide length and tighter lock up on the barrel makes the CCO more accurate than the UC. But if I do my part, both guns get the job done, and I rotate in carrying both of them.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/fourstardrift/Guns%20stuff/2010-DW-CCO_black-VZ-grips.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/fourstardrift/Guns%20stuff/2e2f150a.jpg

midliferally
08-17-2011, 05:52
DW. Make it happen. Ramen noodles if needed. You'll be glad you did.....

knedrgr
08-17-2011, 06:01
The pistols I am looking at are:
Springfield Armory Ultra Compact
STI Shadow
Colt Defender
STI Guardian
Springfield Armory Light-Weight Champ.
Dan Wesson CCO


G27RR has a great review on his EDC STI Shadow. Look it over.
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1301321

Here's my review on the DW CCO.
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1266367


The SA LW Champ has a full-size frame and will print a little more. The only way to negate this is to have the frame bobtail and reduce the frame from printing. With that being said, I would add the DW Guardian 45ACP to your list of guns to consider. Same price as the DW CCO

http://www.jetguns.com/wesson-guardian-45acp-01987-p-3431.html

HAIL CAESAR
08-17-2011, 06:45
For $1,000....STI Guardian.
For $1,300....DW CCO.

:thumbsup:

I was just about to type the exact same thing.....then I seen your post.:wavey:


Scott,

Per what you stated you want and need........I'd go with a CCO sized pistol. The DW CCO with the alloy frame and rounded butt will be the best, and most comfortable, to carry.

Al

B.Reid
08-17-2011, 08:21
I would go with the 4 inch barrel and I am voting for the STI.

skdmrklcy
08-17-2011, 09:29
For $1,000....STI Guardian.
For $1,300....DW CCO.

:thumbsup:

+1

Hard to beat a CCO.

Wade-19
08-17-2011, 10:29
Another vote for the CCO !

FLSlim
08-17-2011, 11:58
I've been very happy with the STI products. In the commander sized frame/barrel, be sure to take a look at the Ranger. Mine has been flawless. For a cash price you should be able to pick one up for $950 or less.

fnfalman
08-17-2011, 19:22
For $1000, I'd spend the money on the ATI Titan (blued or stainless, your choice), a bunch of mags, ammo, holster rig and go to town.

I bought a bunch of Colts because I wanted Colts, but if I were to want to buy a solid compact at reasonable price but very good quality of fit & finish, I would not hesitate to buy the ATI FX Titan.

http://www.ammoland.com/2010/07/12/ati-fx45-series-1911-pistols/

Scott41984
08-18-2011, 09:16
I have both DW CCO and SA UC. And I really like them both. Since they both have officer size frames, they both conceal very similar. And the slide's length is barely noticeable when carry IWB.

I haven't had any issues with either one and have been flawless. To be honest, I had to polish the feed ramp on the SA UC to help it feed JHP. The reason is because I just don't see the point in "breaking in the pistol" with 500 rounds before it can feed JHP.

For the extra money, they DW CCO is just more refined and is better fitted in every way.

In shooting both of them, they are both similar in "kick" with 45ACP. The aluminum frame of the CCO is nice, but the extra slide length keeps it tempered. And the UC's all-steel frame and slide has a nice weight to keep the 45 manageable.

The added slide length and tighter lock up on the barrel makes the CCO more accurate than the UC. But if I do my part, both guns get the job done, and I rotate in carrying both of them.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/fourstardrift/Guns%20stuff/2010-DW-CCO_black-VZ-grips.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/fourstardrift/Guns%20stuff/2e2f150a.jpg

Thank you for the excellent advice. You answered all my questions perfectly!

Scott41984
08-18-2011, 09:21
G27RR has a great review on his EDC STI Shadow. Look it over.
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1301321

Here's my review on the DW CCO.
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1266367


The SA LW Champ has a full-size frame and will print a little more. The only way to negate this is to have the frame bobtail and reduce the frame from printing. With that being said, I would add the DW Guardian 45ACP to your list of guns to consider. Same price as the DW CCO

http://www.jetguns.com/wesson-guardian-45acp-01987-p-3431.html

I read his write-up on the Shadow and also yours for the CCO. Very well spoken with great information.

The SA LW Champion probably would be too large for my frame. Therefore I'm narrowing it down to
DW CCO
STI Guardian

Hokie1911
08-18-2011, 12:04
Guardian vs CCO is a win/win. Either will be a great carry gun. The CCO is a little lighter due to the AL frame, but at a $300 premium. If you want something a little unique, go for the Guardian. Bunch of guys I know have CCOs (and love them). Everyone seems to love STIs (rightfully so) and their options @ $1k (Trojan, Ranger2, Guardian) are excellent values and are backed by one of the best customer service groups in the industry. You can't go wrong with either. Warranty for DW is 5 years IIRC, and STI I believe is lifetime.

bubbameat
08-25-2011, 16:31
I absolutely love my 2nd Gen. DW CCO, but I also want a Guardian as well. Looks like an underrated but fine pistol.

For me the CCO is just absolutely perfect for carry.

1. Shoots perfect
2. very rugged with the hard coat style treatment.
3. looks good!

I'd sell all my other weapons before I gave up the CCO. I think like the Dan Wesson CBOB, CZ/DW under-costed another great weapon.
I'd save up another 300 to get it and down the road try and get a Guardian! (Like I'm trying to do).