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kaptain
08-26-2011, 11:39
I was going to start looking into what scope to get for my AR as I was wanting to do more longer range shooting with it. I am preparing to do some coyote control around my area.

I am not shooting competition 3 gun matches or looking for a duty carry sight, but something that would hold a good zero (good mount) and be good for 300 yards or so.

Also I need to look into a bipod, any suggestions are welcomed.

Sorry I haven't searched around, I haven't had time.

Here is what I am currently working with:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5060/5402280160_0e48c8b387_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39977564@N05/5402280160/)
AR15 and G19 Black (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39977564@N05/5402280160/) by kaptain86 (http://www.flickr.com/people/39977564@N05/), on Flickr

BBJones
08-26-2011, 12:04
Budget on the optic and mount? you looking for something in the 1-4 range or 3-9?




for bipod Harris. Yes they are a tad on the expensive side but haven't found anything cheaper that does not fall apart.

Hedo1
08-26-2011, 12:15
Take a look at the Nikon 2-7X Variable. They list it as a shotgun scope but I've mounted on both an AR and an M1a at various times. Pair of Burris Tactical rings and you have a nice system.

Nikon glass is clear and this scope shoots well in dawn and dusk conditions. It's a bargain imo . At the 2X range it is easy to acquire. At 7X from a rest it is more then capable of Minute of coyote shots at 150-200Y.

kaptain
08-26-2011, 13:02
My budget would be $1500 maximum, if a scope cannot be had for that price I might have to bump it up, but I would think I could find something in that range.

I'll look into the Nikon 2-7x variable.

Are there any threads with a similar question asked that anyone is aware of, I'll read through threads if someone knows of them.

Thanks for the input so far!

Hedo1
08-26-2011, 13:12
Kaptain,

Way under $1500. The scope should run you $125-145. The rings are maybe $40/pair.

kaptain
08-26-2011, 13:38
Kaptain,

Way under $1500. The scope should run you $125-145. The rings are maybe $40/pair.

Yea that is a lot nicer of a price range :cool: in the earlier post I was thinking 1-3 thousand, not hundred..whoops :whistling:

Glock21Owner
08-26-2011, 13:40
Look at the Vortex 1-4x Viper PST, and match it with a quick detach mount.

MrMurphy
08-26-2011, 13:51
Get rid of that fixed rear sight if possible.


LaRue LT104 with a Nikon Coyote 2-7X. Total cost, under $400.

ronin.45
08-26-2011, 14:16
Leupold VX-R and larue mount.

kaptain
08-26-2011, 15:08
http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/Products/Riflescopes/8485/M-223-1-4x20.html

What about this? I can get it on amazon for around $245 for the scope and $75 for the mount

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003G5OJXU/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_2?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003G5SO7C/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

BBJones
08-26-2011, 15:24
Look at the Vortex 1-4x Viper PST, and match it with a quick detach mount.


+1 on this suggestion. Mount it in an Bobro, LaRue, or ADM mount.

or if you want more magnification this kit comes with a nice mount:
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-9x42-Tactical-Riflescope-KIT-P50225.aspx
FFP mil/mil with a good mount for $600.

kaptain
08-26-2011, 17:34
+1 on this suggestion. Mount it in an Bobro, LaRue, or ADM mount.

or if you want more magnification this kit comes with a nice mount:
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-9x42-Tactical-Riflescope-KIT-P50225.aspx
FFP mil/mil with a good mount for $600.

Looks like a good deal after some reading up on it. Now I need recommendations on a bipod :)

I've read Harris is the way to go but I wasn't sure what model and what extension I would probably need, I won't be bench shooting this much, probably predator hunting and prone firing.

BBJones
08-26-2011, 17:57
http://www.triadtactical.com/Harris-Bi-pod-6-9-Swivel-Notched-leg.html

6"-9" S series with notched legs. The notched legs make them much faster to deploy in a hunting situation. Some opt for the 9-13 but with an AR I think that is just too high. When prone I use mine about middle point of adjustment on a 6-9.


ETA - Pod Loc is a decent upgrade when being used in the field for uneven surfaces. http://www.triadtactical.com/KMW/

kaptain
08-27-2011, 11:35
http://www.triadtactical.com/Harris-Bi-pod-6-9-Swivel-Notched-leg.html

6"-9" S series with notched legs. The notched legs make them much faster to deploy in a hunting situation. Some opt for the 9-13 but with an AR I think that is just too high. When prone I use mine about middle point of adjustment on a 6-9.


ETA - Pod Loc is a decent upgrade when being used in the field for uneven surfaces. http://www.triadtactical.com/KMW/

I'm not sure exactly but does that mount work on a rail? The Harris bipod is the way to go.

BBJones
08-27-2011, 14:31
I'm not sure exactly but does that mount work on a rail? The Harris bipod is the way to go.

It mounts to a bi-pod stud seen as seen here in YHM's version: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=145921


Or you can mount it to a QD (quick detach) bipod mount:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XADBP&name=ADM+Bipod+Mount&groupid=301&search=adm
or
http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=38

advantage of a QD system is you can quickly take it off/on and use it on multiple rifles if you want. If you don't need that capability save your money.


As for the pod-loc I listed earlier it allows you to loosen the bipod so it can swivel side to side to allow for it to rest on uneven ground then be locked into place quickly. The Harris comes with a knob that allows you to do the same thing but it is harder to get ahold of, more difficult to use and not nearly as fast.

kaptain
08-27-2011, 17:14
Went the cheap route to put some more money towards the scope in a little while.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002AR19WE

$48.00 shipped with free shipping.

MrMurphy
08-27-2011, 17:51
You'll generally get better accuracy off a bag, bipods tend to 'bounce'.

BBJones
08-27-2011, 20:05
Went the cheap route to put some more money towards the scope in a little while.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002AR19WE

$48.00 shipped with free shipping.

I hope it works for you.


You'll generally get better accuracy off a bag, bipods tend to 'bounce'.

Not in my experience if using a quality bi-pod and you load it properly. Especially the case with 5.56. Now with 300WM and up that is more of a factor.

OP also said he needed it for hunting and hard to take bags with you in the field. Shooting sticks or something else might be a good option but he said he was going to be prone.

Alaskapopo
08-27-2011, 20:31
My budget would be $1500 maximum, if a scope cannot be had for that price I might have to bump it up, but I would think I could find something in that range.

I'll look into the Nikon 2-7x variable.

Are there any threads with a similar question asked that anyone is aware of, I'll read through threads if someone knows of them.

Thanks for the input so far!

For 1500 you can get a much better scope than the Nikon. Look into a Trijicon TR24 1-4 or a Meopta 1-4. Both will do a good job for you and come in under 1k. If daylight visible illumination is not an issue for you then look hard at the Nightforce 1-4 or 2.5-10
Pat

vafish
08-27-2011, 21:36
About 1/10th your price range but a good combo.

http://swfa.com/Redfield-2-7x33-Revolution-Rifle-Scope-Kit-P47561.aspx

Redfield 2-7X (made by Leopold in the USA) with a mount (supposedly made by Burris) for $179.95.

SWFA also has the combo in a 3-9x40, 3-9x50, and a 4-12x40.

MrMurphy
08-28-2011, 06:30
Didn't say it had to be a sandbag....

I hunt with a ruck. Ruck=bag.

I've shot off an assault pack or bag all over the place, tends to be more usable in my experience. I don't 'mind' bipods and will use them, primarily on beltfeds, but i'm generally a bag user.

HAIL CAESAR
08-28-2011, 17:29
I have a ADM mount for the bipod and it is a wonderful set up. Quick on and off.

I have a Nikon Tactical 2.5x10 IR on my rifle. It is a superb setup.

Teecher45
08-28-2011, 22:14
Didn't say it had to be a sandbag....

I hunt with a ruck. Ruck=bag.

I've shot off an assault pack or bag all over the place, tends to be more usable in my experience. I don't 'mind' bipods and will use them, primarily on beltfeds, but i'm generally a bag user.

+1 When I hit the woods/fields I have a backpack with poncho's, water, snacks, first aid kit, and other useful items for two boys to be comfortable. I empty out what I need and then can use the pack to shoot off of. Works great for me, YMMV,

Peace Frog
08-29-2011, 14:40
Yea that is a lot nicer of a price range :cool: in the earlier post I was thinking 1-3 thousand, not hundred..whoops :whistling:
Get a quality mount...BOBRO is my preference but there are a few others like LaRue etc...

A decent scope for the money and some people will laugh at me but SWFA will do just fine for your needs.Here's a fixed 10x42 that will suit you or there are variables they make also.I have a old 10x42 with side focus that shoots just as good as my $4K scopes I use sometimes on my POF .308 with a BOBRO MOUNT.

http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-10x42-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P500.aspx

BOBRO mount...


http://swfa.com/Bobro-Precision-Optic-30mm-Mount-P47217.aspx

kaptain
08-29-2011, 15:13
I think I've decided on getting this; http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-9x42-Tactical-Riflescope-KIT-P50225.aspx

Ron3
08-30-2011, 00:43
$1,500 for a 150yd use scope?

I have a Weaver 1-3x on my AR and I'm very happy with it. It was about $150. Very clear and weighs under 9 oz.

Peace Frog
08-30-2011, 11:49
You'll generally get better accuracy off a bag, bipods tend to 'bounce'.

No Sir they don't...of course you have to do your part but I've never had issues with a bipod bouncing or hopping...


http://www.youtube.com/user/SHLowlight#p/u/38/sqFH0A7Py1Q


http://www.youtube.com/user/SHLowlight#p/u/35/VjG1JZxiui0



:wavey:

Peace Frog
08-30-2011, 11:54
I think I've decided on getting this; http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-9x42-Tactical-Riflescope-KIT-P50225.aspx

You can get something cheaper if only going out to 150 yards unless you plan to go longer with a different rifle and same scope.
Try the Bobro mount,its miles ahead of the LaRue and holds zero.No marking up your rails either.I put mine on my POF and with the QD lever not closed it was tight as can be.In fact I put a few (20) rds of 7.62 downrange with it just placed on the rail QD lever not closed and it still held zero...

kaptain
08-30-2011, 15:40
You can get something cheaper if only going out to 150 yards unless you plan to go longer with a different rifle and same scope.
Try the Bobro mount,its miles ahead of the LaRue and holds zero.No marking up your rails either.I put mine on my POF and with the QD lever not closed it was tight as can be.In fact I put a few (20) rds of 7.62 downrange with it just placed on the rail QD lever not closed and it still held zero...

That kit comes with a BOBRO mount, I might end up getting a dedicated longer ranger rifle sometime down the road so I figured I'd used a decent scope.

Peace Frog
08-30-2011, 16:30
That kit comes with a BOBRO mount, I might end up getting a dedicated longer ranger rifle sometime down the road so I figured I'd used a decent scope.

Cool...You'll love the Bobro mount.


:wavey:

Minnow
08-31-2011, 03:27
150 yds, coyotes? a Leupold VX-2 or Nikon Prostaff is all you will ever need. The SWFA is more money than needs to be spent in this case. It does have knobs though if you decide to shoot farther. You could have spent less for what you are trying to accomplish, but you probably don't want to hear that. I'm not your wife. Cool scope bro!

kaptain
08-31-2011, 08:42
It isn't only for coyotes, sorry I didn't edit the 150 yards, I plan on shooting farther at targets as well.