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bendihose
08-27-2011, 23:20
Is the 40s&w the best "compromise" caliber between the 9mm and the 45 acp in the "21st century"?:innocent: Thoughts....

AustinTx
08-27-2011, 23:24
It's my best choice.

skyboss_4evr
08-27-2011, 23:24
Ohhh what the heck, I'll bite... I'm a big fan of the .40S&W. I find it really fun to shoot and having 9mm capacity with a bigger bullet is a plus, IMO.

cowboy1964
08-27-2011, 23:26
It depends. Do you shoot it better than the others? That is by far the most important factor.

gary newport
08-27-2011, 23:27
Why compromise? :dunno:

KaTooM
08-27-2011, 23:30
357 Sig

bendihose
08-27-2011, 23:30
:dunno:.357 sig, 45 gap, 400 corbon? :dunno:Thanks for playing everyone!:)

HotRoderX
08-27-2011, 23:33
Why not go with the 357magnum ??? More bite then the 9mm or 45acp. Its proven caliber also just like the 9mm and 45acp.

bendihose
08-27-2011, 23:35
Why not go with the 357magnum ??? More bite then the 9mm or 45acp. Its proven caliber also just like the 9mm and 45acp.


Capacity maybe........ other than that.......

AustinTx
08-27-2011, 23:37
357 Sig

That would have been my answer, too. He specified between 9mm and .45 caliber and the Sig isn't between those, it is one.

AustinTx
08-27-2011, 23:39
Why not go with the 357magnum ??? More bite then the 9mm or 45acp. Its proven caliber also just like the 9mm and 45acp.

This is supposed to be about Glocks, I thought. Glock doesn't make a .357magnum.

HotRoderX
08-27-2011, 23:51
Capacity maybe........ other than that.......


I will admit the Glock has more rounds but which was has a bigger fear factor. Psychologically which one is more intimidating looks and sound wise. There are so many variables to a SD situation its kinda crazy trying to boil it down to is caliber X fits here. I am tired and its been a long day so if this post dont make since sorry.

HotRoderX
08-27-2011, 23:53
This is supposed to be about Glocks, I thought. Glock doesn't make a .357magnum.

I thought it was much broader and more general question then just Glocks. Why limit ones self to just Glocks when there are many different calibers out there. Yes I am aware this was posted in General Glocking I was not at first. I still stand behind 357mangum thought as my choice.

bendihose
08-27-2011, 23:54
This is supposed to be about Glocks, I thought. Glock doesn't make a .357magnum.

Sure they do, the Glock 7!:)

Tim151515
08-27-2011, 23:57
I love my 45acp..but I think the best "compromise" is modern +P+ 9mm ammo. That way, you get power as well as capacity.

bendihose
08-28-2011, 00:06
I thought it was much broader and more general question then just Glocks. Why limit ones self to just Glocks when there are many different calibers out there. Yes I am aware this was posted in General Glocking I was not at first. I still stand behind 357mangum thought as my choice.

Maybe I should have posted in "General Firearms". My bad...

HotRoderX
08-28-2011, 00:19
Maybe I should have posted in "General Firearms". My bad...

Its not a big deal its about Glocks so its not in the wrong place.

HotRoderX
08-28-2011, 00:21
Sure they do, the Glock 7!:)

Glock 7 is 500 magnum but some how using space diversion Glock has designed the mags so there no bigger then G17 mags :tongueout:.

bendihose
08-28-2011, 00:23
Glock 7 is 500 magnum but some how using space diversion Glock has designed the mags so there no bigger then G17 mags :tongueout:.

LMAO!:rofl:

AustinTx
08-28-2011, 00:32
Sure they do, the Glock 7!:)

ha-ha-ha-ha

Angry Fist
08-28-2011, 00:42
10mm first.

To answer the OP, I'd go .357 SIG. Then:

.45
9mm
.40

In that order.

That said, I shoot more .40 than anything but 12 gauge. Go figger.

HAMMERHEAD
08-28-2011, 00:56
.40 is a good compromise between the 9mm and .45acp. Power is solid, accuracy can be very good. Seems to excel in short barrels (compared to revolver rounds). .40 brass is everywhere, I use it quite a bit in my G-29 w/conversion. (thanks guys, your brass saves me a lot of money reloading for the 29).

Angry Fist
08-28-2011, 00:58
.40 is a good compromise between the 9mm and .45acp. Power is solid, accuracy can be very good. Seems to excel in short barrels (compared to revolver rounds). .40 brass is everywhere, I use it quite a bit in my G-29 w/conversion. (thanks guys, your brass saves me a lot of money reloading for the 29).
:supergrin:

My 6" LWD .40 conversion has been seeing a lot more action lately, and I just started saving the brass for it.

A .40 will drop their ass dead as anything.

68DARKHORSE
08-28-2011, 01:36
.40 ftw

f350fiver
08-28-2011, 01:47
I always wanted a G17 and bought a 40 S&W Sigma for a first pistol. I liked the 40 so I bought a G22 and have been happy with it. I will be getting a G27 to go with my G22. Shoot what feels best to you. Compromise or not.

Giggity-Giggity
08-28-2011, 01:49
Yup, I own 3 Glocks in 40 and only one 9mm.

Angry Fist
08-28-2011, 01:50
...and bought a 40 S&W Sigma for a first pistol. Shoot what feels best to you. Compromise or not.
I thought I was the only one around here! :supergrin:

ChaneRZ
08-28-2011, 03:08
see sig. got 2 of .40 cal and love them!

TangoFoxtrot
08-28-2011, 03:12
Is the 40s&w the best "compromise" caliber between the 9mm and the 45 acp in the 21st century?:innocent: Thoughts....

:rofl:Okay if you insist! Sounds like someone wants to stir up the pot! :whistling:

Glock40man
08-28-2011, 03:24
Yeah, I tend to think so. It depends on the day.

Nomadic Pirate
08-28-2011, 03:32
If I was going to buy a new Glock would definatly be a .40 cal

Bruce M
08-28-2011, 04:46
It depends. Do you shoot it better than the others? That is by far the most important factor.


I agree completely.

GlockAzona
08-28-2011, 05:16
I already reload for .45 & 9mm, so .40 would be just more reloading equipment & supplies to have to deal with.

I'm happy with performance of my .45's and also 9mm's for target use.

For defense, it's .45ACP. I'll not compromise.

varoadking
08-28-2011, 05:24
.38 Super...

J.P.
08-28-2011, 06:35
Is the 40s&w the best "compromise" caliber between the 9mm and the 45 acp in the 21st century?:innocent: Thoughts....

Why does it have to be a "compromise"?

You get the best of both worlds....
Larger caliber, more energy, and higher capacity.
Plus, unlike the 9mm and .45acp which were both designed as "ball" rounds, the .40S&W was engineered from the ground up to be a defensive JHP round.

djackson
08-28-2011, 07:25
I like the 40 S&W check the .357 SIG nice cartridge but kindly on the high side

unit1069
08-28-2011, 07:29
Why compromise? :dunno:

My thoughts also.

bendihose
08-28-2011, 11:33
Thnaks for the replies all. I also like the 40s&w. I also would like to try 22 rounds of 357 sig in the newer glock 22 mags! Do you think buying a 400 corbon conversion barrel is a waste for a glock 21sf?

misfit356tsw
08-28-2011, 11:35
Why compromise? :dunno:
exactly

J_P
08-28-2011, 11:48
I love my 45acp..but I think the best "compromise" is modern +P+ 9mm ammo. That way, you get power as well as capacity.

:supergrin: Well said

Ahmid
08-28-2011, 12:00
At one time I would say the 40 is the perfect defense round for ME. Now that I have bad arthritis in in my hands I can have the power of the 40 without the punishing recoil, that would be the 357 Sig. Eventually it will probably be 9mm.

K_Rasmussen
08-28-2011, 13:06
.41 magnum

Doughnutman_923
08-28-2011, 13:08
10mm :cool:

cowboywannabe
08-28-2011, 13:42
10mm when compromise is not an option......

cowboy1964
08-28-2011, 13:43
Plus, unlike the 9mm and .45acp which were both designed as "ball" rounds, the .40S&W was engineered from the ground up to be a defensive JHP round.

What does that have to do with anything? 9mm and .45 JHPs perform just as well as .40 JHPs so that's totally a non-issue.

txgunguy
08-28-2011, 13:50
Yes it is. I love my 9mm capacity, I like the size of the 45, but it doesn't carry enough rounds for me. So .40 is the way to go. Large capacity and heavy rounds.

KaTooM
08-28-2011, 13:51
I have a 400 corbon barrel for my Colt 1911 Gov...I love playing with odd rounds. I need to talk to my smith before I drop it in and try it though.

I am a pretty big fan of 357 Sig. I can control it better than .40 on my g23. Plus my new barrel is ported and compensated. Looks cool too.

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/1124/dscn0687t.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/dscn0687t.jpg/)

Sonnytoo
08-28-2011, 13:55
Perhaps you should have put "for the 21st century" in quotes. That really changes things.
IMO, the G36 is the perfect compromise between the 9mm and the .40. I sold my four .40's; didn't like the muzzle flip. OTOH, the G36 is my favorite EDC (I have it on now) and my G19 is backup EDC as a change.
When perceived snap and recoil is not a "personal problem," I guess that the .40 is the better compromise.
But NOT in my real world.
Sonnytoo

M&P Shooter
08-28-2011, 13:59
Is the 40s&w the best "compromise" caliber between the 9mm and the 45 acp in the 21st century?:innocent: Thoughts....
Yes it is, you get large caliber bullet with decent weight and high capacity in a 9mm size weapon. I carry my G23 24/7 and wouldn't trade her for anything:wavey:

Catswold
08-28-2011, 14:10
Thnaks for the replies all. I also like the 40s&w. I also would like to try 22 rounds of 357 sig in the newer glock 22 mags! Do you think buying a 400 corbon conversion barrel is a waste for a glock 21sf?
If yo want to go that route, consider a .40 Super bbl. ballistics superior to 10mm. Of course the ammo is more expensive but DoubleTap carries it.

My biggest complaint is that they only sell (as far as I know) 6" bbls for the G21/21SF.

Catswold
08-28-2011, 14:12
Duplicate post

bendihose
08-28-2011, 14:30
I have a 400 corbon barrel for my Colt 1911 Gov...I love playing with odd rounds. I need to talk to my smith before I drop it in and try it though.

I am a pretty big fan of 357 Sig. I can control it better than .40 on my g23. Plus my new barrel is ported and compensated. Looks cool too.

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/1124/dscn0687t.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/dscn0687t.jpg/)

I am getting the "wildcat cartridge" bug!
This could get expensive. Nice pic!

bendihose
08-28-2011, 14:31
Duplicate post

Not by me...:)

J_P
08-28-2011, 14:43
I like the .40 sw but for me i really dont know if i want to have to deal with 3 handgun calibers i already have the 9mm and i will be picking up my first .45acp within the next six months (or when the money is right). Maybe if i didnt start out with the 9mm then i would be a .40sw and .45acp guy but i just cant have 3 different handgun calibers im not that rich and i dont reload.

Steel Head
08-28-2011, 15:08
Ohhh what the heck, I'll bite... I'm a big fan of the .40S&W. I find it really fun to shoot and having 9mm capacity with a bigger bullet is a plus, IMO.


I've always liked Glocks in 40S&W:wavey:

mike g35
08-28-2011, 15:20
Is the 40s&w the best "compromise" caliber between the 9mm and the 45 acp in the "21st century"?:innocent: Thoughts....
Yes. I do not see any other caliber that would fit into that paticular role and be relevant enough to be easily acquired.

mike g35
08-28-2011, 15:21
Oh and I'm a huge fan of the 40S&W so I may be biased.

NEOH212
08-28-2011, 15:26
.40 here! It's been my daily carry for quite a few years now and will continue to be.

J.P.
08-28-2011, 15:29
What does that have to do with anything? 9mm and .45 JHPs perform just as well as .40 JHPs so that's totally a non-issue.

Just stating a fact.

Hour13
08-28-2011, 20:55
I don't really see it as a "compromise" but rather an ideal caliber(just my opinion, not trying to step on toes!). Development started as the 10mm round, then was scaled down to the .40 slug. This allowed the use of a 9mm sized pistol frame, giving the user an easy to carry weapon, as well as impressive round capacity.
Size isn't everything... One major contributing factor to the .40's "stopping power" is the charge it's loaded with. If you look at the data, the 40S&W round packs a whopper in muzzle velocity. This is why ballistic tests show deeper penetration from a .40 180gr JHP, than from a .45 215gr JHP.
This is also the reason for it's one real drawback. Reloads are cheap to buy! But if you have a glock in .40, stick with new factory ammo. The chamber support, designed for 9mm initially, can't always handle the inconsistantly "hot" loads found in reloaded ammo.

roknjs
08-29-2011, 16:56
10mm. I have 2 .40's but would pick the .357 sig as my second choice.

EL COLONEL
08-29-2011, 18:15
Answer to the op is 40 and 357 sig !

Speakeasy
08-29-2011, 18:31
Here's one kind of compromise:

.45 FMJ is cheaper than 9mm JHP by about half, and does roughly the same job. You know a .45 won't get any smaller, but those JHPs may not always expand.

:supergrin:

J.P.
08-30-2011, 02:33
You know a .45 won't get any smaller, but those JHPs may not always expand.
But the .45fmj is a round nosed "ball" round.
I would think just about any JHP would have better potential to avoid deflection due to the profile.

AustinTx
08-30-2011, 18:56
Best "compromise" between 9mm and 45acp?

I think the 357 SIG is the best. That's what I carry, but I didn't mention it, because it's actually a 9 mm round. If the bullet diameter is between 9mm and .45 inches, I'll take the 40 S&W.

mikegun
08-30-2011, 21:19
I love my 45acp..but I think the best "compromise" is modern +P+ 9mm ammo. That way, you get power as well as capacity.

i agree with the 9 plus, i just dont shoot the 40 well, and those followup shots are very impnt to me in sd situation...

dougader
09-02-2011, 14:13
.38 Super...

If Glock would make a 38 Super on the G20sf/G21sf frame, I'd be all over it. And then I'd get an aftermarket barrel for 9x23 Winchester. There's your true 357 magnum performance in a hi-cap semi-auto package.

I have a 1911 in 9x23 Winchester and the 125 grain jhp's can hit 1450-1500 fps without breaking a sweat.

Now that I'm done day dreaming... I started with 9mm and have invested heavily into the caliber. When I finally found a 45 I liked, I got one and kept it.

I never really saw a need to get anythihg in 40 caliber. But a few months ago there must have been a police agency at the range because I picked up about 1350 rounds of 40 brass. I'd sell it, but it goes for so cheap it doesn't even pay for my time that I took picking it up, let alone cleaning/polishing it in my case cleaner.

I guess my only solution is to break down and buy a 40 caliber gun and some dies.... :dunno::dunno:

Brucev
09-02-2011, 16:08
I've been shooting 9mm and .45 ACP since 1979. When the .40 S&W came out, I thought... so what. Then I tried one. Boom baby! It combines all the good points of the 9mm and .45 ACP. It offers excellent power, accuracy, capacity and portability. It can be found chambered in outstanding modern pistol designs of which the Glock 22 is unparalleled. Bought a 22RTF in 2010. Excellent pistol in every respect.

Warp
09-02-2011, 21:56
My "compromise" is 9mm Luger

gary newport
09-02-2011, 22:20
My "compromise" is 9mm Luger

And mine is .45 GAP--though I'll accept 9mm with a 147 high-tech HP (think Federal HST) in a pinch! :cool:

dougader
09-03-2011, 10:00
I think GAP is a good round. Not ready to invest in new dies, brass, etc, though. A dealer here sold a like-new G37 last year for $285. I should have bought it, but was kind of broke at the time... isn't that true of great deals? You only see awesome deals when you have no money!

Chuck54
09-03-2011, 16:29
I heard 9x23 yeah that sounds good to me.

agtman
09-03-2011, 17:54
Check you premises, one of them is wrong ... :upeyes:

Choose a round that's never a compromise and ballistically better than those two... :whistling:

IOW, why "compromise" when this is available? It does come with a caveat, however.

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/agtman/motivator46fdd30941de0051d087f76546.jpg

:cool:

Warp
09-03-2011, 18:59
The whole "I'm more manly and macho than you becuause I shoot 10mm" crap is reason enough for me to aviod the cartridge. I would hate for people to think I was one of 'those guys'

G23c
09-03-2011, 19:29
I like the .40. I have all my HD and EDC set up for .40 now.

agtman
09-03-2011, 20:03
The whole "I'm more manly and macho than you becuause I shoot 10mm" crap is reason enough for me to aviod the cartridge. I would hate for people to think I was one of 'those guys'

Worrying about what other people think is the first sign of the "herd" mentality. :popcorn:

Then there's the merits of the cartridge itself ...

Just sayin'. :whistling:

:cool:

Warp
09-03-2011, 20:22
Insulting the masculinity of others who choose differently than you is a sign of insecurity or an inferiority complex.

I understand my choice isn't necessarily best for everybody else.

You should think about that.

gary newport
09-03-2011, 22:54
The whole "I'm more manly and macho than you becuause I shoot 10mm" crap is reason enough for me to aviod the cartridge. I would hate for people to think I was one of 'those guys'

Ya know, Warp, I kinda feel the same way. That "10 MachoMeter" horsehockey gets really old really fast! :yawn:

gary newport
09-03-2011, 23:09
Worrying about what other people think is the first sign of the "herd" mentality. :popcorn:

Then there's the merits of the cartridge itself ...

Just sayin'. :whistling:

:cool:

"Merits" of the cartridge? Would you care to enumerate the number of law-enforcement agencies and military units--where folks trust their lives to their weapons--using this "wonder" round?

For self-defense against humans, there are better choices--and those choices have been made pretty much universally. For hunting or protection against large non-human critters, the 10 is marginal--there are several big revolver rounds that leave it in the dust. (Though I didn read that some Norwegian LE types carry G20s in Greenland as a backup protection against polar bear attacks--about the only LE application I've come across for this niche cartridge.)

Just sayin'. :whistling: