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Bilbo Bagins
08-31-2011, 13:03
Anyone worried about it? I don't know if its going to take off. It may be a dud, but it could be another reason for multii city riots, like what happened in the UK.

http://occupy-wall-street.com/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/seius-stephen-lerner-invokes-bill-ayers-days-of-rage-to-take-down-wall-street-this-september/

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Days-ofRaage.jpg

cowboy1964
08-31-2011, 13:22
I think NY will know how to handle punks like that.

They can "own" Wall Street just like the rest of us: invest.

Akita
08-31-2011, 14:34
I have a bit of rage to work off if they try to loot me.

Bilbo Bagins
08-31-2011, 14:53
Youtube video on the Day of Rage by the group, Anonymous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcgRO0jYbs8&feature=player_embedded

Why are they showing riot pictures and saying it will be a non violent protest. :dunno:

TangoFoxtrot
09-01-2011, 02:43
Occupy wall street and do what ???? .....Absolutely nothing useful! ...but cause trouble.:upeyes:

pugman
09-01-2011, 09:42
That might be the "Day of Rage" for some

Mine is April 15th.

G29Reload
09-01-2011, 09:59
What a coincidence. I hear that's also day of concealed carry with extra magazines.

Wait, that's every day!

SFCSMITH(RET)
09-01-2011, 10:31
LOL, there better be an absolute #$%^load of them if they are going to effect my day.. Take about 2 million guys in tents to get to my house from wall street.

Oh, and I too an confused about "non violent rage"..

B.Reid
09-01-2011, 11:20
should be interesting!

mac66
09-01-2011, 12:27
I am thinking of having a "Day of Urine Trouble" in which bags of urine are thrown on rage protesters. :whistling:

HAMMERHEAD
09-01-2011, 15:18
Has a nice communist look to it, doesn't it? I'm sure that's not an accident.

G29Reload
09-01-2011, 15:47
Really. Slackers of the World, Unite.

"We" own wall street?

Who's "we"?
Since when?
On what grounds?

Last I heard, its a

-marketplace of public exchange,
-hosted in buildings that are private property, lawfully owned,
-attended by firms there by polite and collegial invitation,
-engaging in commerce that anyone with the admi$$ion price can attend at least by proxy or
-view the happenings daily on TV in their mother's basement.

Nothing is being withheld from anyone outside the law, or barred from participating in. Nothing goes on in secret, in fact its heavily policed and scrutinized by the IRS and government regulatory agencies in the public spotlight under strictly enforced rules.

Since when do these arrogant, self-absorbed envious of other people's s$%* LOSERS feel they're entitled to other people's stuff because they have access to a kinko's that can print their poster filled with lies and unlawful encitement to riot?

Lt Scott 14
09-01-2011, 16:13
Sounds like "locked and loaded day" to me. Maybe throw the 12ga shotty in the trunk w/ ammo belt(25rds, slugs and 00 buckshot). Edc will be G19 w/ 2-15rd mags. See ya soon.

quake
09-01-2011, 16:13
..Since when do these arrogant, self-absorbed envious of other people's s$%* LOSERS feel they're entitled to other people's stuff because they have access to a kinko's that can print their poster filled with lies and unlawful encitement to riot?

I think it was 1965-66 or so; whenever "I'm ok, You're ok" was published...

powder86
09-01-2011, 16:56
they claim peace and not violence, as if they weren't they'd be shut down. glad i don't live out there. all that london type bullcrap is a real possibility here in the states some time. it won't take much to make it happen.

marsturm
09-01-2011, 20:47
Its heartening to see how many supporters of Wall Street are on this forum.

G29Reload
09-01-2011, 21:18
Its heartening to see how many supporters of Wall Street are on this forum.

Its a marketplace. Why not?

A symbol of capitalism. Which is the opposite of statism or socialism. The free market, enterprise of people with ideas. Private property changing hands voluntarily.

If there are bad apples in the bunch, the regulators will get them. Hopefully no one here is against people with legitimate private property changing hands voluntarily now...are there?

BORNGEARHEAD
09-02-2011, 00:15
Bailouts for everybody!

TangoFoxtrot
09-02-2011, 02:45
Its heartening to see how many supporters of Wall Street are on this forum.

I'm sure the people on this forum are not supporting the greed of mismanaging incompitent mongrols of Wall Street , but rather the fact they are protective of it because it is American soil and paid for by the American dollar we work for.

mes228
09-02-2011, 04:30
Guillotines and Firing Squads should have been the order of the day in Central Park several years ago. Crime should not pay, but it has in a big way for Banks and Wall Street. At the expense of your children - and you. More welfare has gone to Banks and Corporations than any immigrant, single mother, or anyone else combined. Depending on how you calculate it, up front programs and under the table programs has amounted to approx. 16 trillion dollars. Unrealized by most Americans 70% of that "help" $$$$ went to Banks outside the USA. Never to be returned - as "they" are bankrupt also. It still continues "we" sent $700 million last couple weeks to foreign banks in swaps.

The oft repeated theme blaming irresponsible citizens for purchasing houses they could not afford is a myth (propaganda). Every house in the entire country, big- small- inbetween, totals less than 5 trillion dollars. We have already paid out three times that much because the Banks gambled and lost MULTIPLES of the mortgage amounts (leveraged hundreds of times over). The world blames us (USA) for blowing the economic world up and they are more right than wrong. We have tried to fix it on the backs of our citizens to no avail. The mess is because of CRIMES not happenstance.

These crimes have a statute of limitation that is fast approaching. That's why heaven and earth is being moved to placate Attorney's General (bribes & threats) to not prosecute. Apparently our President approves this tact.

As for Greece etc. being bailed out by Europe, that's not so clear either. The USA contributes to different international financial institutions to the tune of as much as 46%. So much of the bailouts to Greece etc. actually are on your back.

As an aside, I have been a Republican and never cast a vote for anything but a Republican in my life (I'm 61) until last year. I am sickened by this. I am also sickened by Democrats. Two sides of the same coin. Last year I voted 3rd party and suspect I'll do so again. This is all my opinion and figures are quoted from a feeble memory and a lot of reading. Very hard to discern truth as propaganda rules the day. Many information sources would make Joseph Goebbles and the Nazi's proud.

cyrsequipment
09-02-2011, 05:07
Guillotines and Firing Squads should have been the order of the day in Central Park several years ago. Crime should not pay, but it has in a big way for Banks and Wall Street. At the expense of your children - and you. More welfare has gone to Banks and Corporations than any immigrant, single mother, or anyone else combined. Depending on how you calculate it, up front programs and under the table programs has amounted to approx. 16 trillion dollars. Unrealized by most Americans 70% of that "help" $$$$ went to Banks outside the USA. Never to be returned - as "they" are bankrupt also. It still continues "we" sent $700 million last couple weeks to foreign banks in swaps.

The oft repeated theme blaming irresponsible citizens for purchasing houses they could not afford is a myth (propaganda). Every house in the entire country, big- small- inbetween, totals less than 5 trillion dollars. We have already paid out three times that much because the Banks gambled and lost MULTIPLES of the mortgage amounts (leveraged hundreds of times over). The world blames us (USA) for blowing the economic world up and they are more right than wrong. We have tried to fix it on the backs of our citizens to no avail. The mess is because of CRIMES not happenstance.

These crimes have a statute of limitation that is fast approaching. That's why heaven and earth is being moved to placate Attorney's General (bribes & threats) to not prosecute. Apparently our President approves this tact.

As for Greece etc. being bailed out by Europe, that's not so clear either. The USA contributes to different international financial institutions to the tune of as much as 46%. So much of the bailouts to Greece etc. actually are on your back.

As an aside, I have been a Republican and never cast a vote for anything but a Republican in my life (I'm 61) until last year. I am sickened by this. I am also sickened by Democrats. Two sides of the same coin. Last year I voted 3rd party and suspect I'll do so again. This is all my opinion and figures are quoted from a feeble memory and a lot of reading. Very hard to discern truth as propaganda rules the day. Many information sources would make Joseph Goebbles and the Nazi's proud.

I was not (am not) in favor of bailouts. Having said that, those bailouts were mostly loans that were paid back. Others were a scheme to funnel money to unions so it could be put back into democrat coffers.

Tax breaks for corporations are NOT welfare no matter what you were told. The way left-wing nuts calculate them is misleading at best and an outright lie more often then not. Companies employ people, which is good for the economy, having those companies keep more of their money is a good thing.

pugman
09-02-2011, 05:20
As an aside, I have been a Republican and never cast a vote for anything but a Republican in my life (I'm 61) until last year. I am sickened by this. I am also sickened by Democrats. Two sides of the same coin. Last year I voted 3rd party and suspect I'll do so again. This is all my opinion and figures are quoted from a feeble memory and a lot of reading. Very hard to discern truth as propaganda rules the day. Many information sources would make Joseph Goebbles and the Nazi's proud.

As they said to Neo, "Welcome to the real world..."

Jokingly I've thought for decades Republicans and Democrats got together in a hotel room somewhere with hookers and blow and played a game of checkers to see who got to screw us that year; any party who won two times in a row had to play the next time blind folded.

Politicans work on the Pirates Code...take what you can whenever you can. They are masters of telling you what your problems are, why you should be afraid of them and who is to blame.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid we are past the financial tiping point. You can't be a government with $150 trillion dollars in obligations and promises due in the next 30 years when you will only take in about $65-$75 trillion over the same period of time....those are real numbers.

BOTH sides are to blame which ironically is part of the problem...a very strong and equal 3rd party thrown into the mix would at least make things more interesting than the two parties going back and forth blaming each other.

Akita
09-02-2011, 08:50
Wall Street is NOT the big banks. Nor is WS the rating agencies.
There are crooks everywhere, but I believe in capitalism and that is what 99% of Wall Street is.

Bilbo Bagins
09-02-2011, 09:14
Its heartening to see how many supporters of Wall Street are on this forum.

The problem is these Day of Rage and Anonymous kids, are mostly non-New Yorkers, Don't have a 401K or stock, and probably don't work for a business.

So why are they going to Wall Street?

When they demand Justice, how exactly did Wall Street and stock brokers "Wronged" them?

Its basically a bunch of anarchist and paid protestors converging on the largest city in America at the hub of American Commerce.....to do what ???

I'm not defending anyone, its just its a setup, someone is trying to light a match. Maybe its a dud and nothing happens, or maybe it will have ripple effects. What if we see other protest in outher cities, maybe more flash mobs, maybe UK style multi city riots. Who knows :dunno:

sebecman
09-02-2011, 11:27
someone is trying to light a match. Maybe its a dud and nothing happens, or maybe it will have ripple effects. What if we see other protest in outher cities, maybe more flash mobs, maybe UK style multi city riots. Who knows :dunno:

The difference is we have guns and our LEO's carry guns. I doubt that UK style crap will be tolerated by our population/business owners etc.

G29Reload
09-02-2011, 11:35
Guillotines and Firing Squads should have been the order of the day in Central Park several years ago.

Where appropriate for criminals, yes.

Crime should not pay, but it has in a big way for Banks and Wall Street.

No, it hasn't for "Wall Street". Wall Street is a place, a location, a market for business. Demagoguing that term as though it is a person and bogeyman falsely gives the impression that the capitalist system has failed, rather than players who committed individual criminal acts, and leaves you sounding like the idiotic parrots hyping their indeterminate "Cause" with their commie poster and appearing just as vapid and ill-informed.

The system is not broken, the players that committed criminal acts or fraud should be prosecuted.

More welfare has gone to Banks and Corporations...

It sounds like your problem is with government, since it can only be government that doles out such largesse.

... than any immigrant, single mother, or anyone else combined.

Me thinks thee doth protest too much. Who said anything about social programs, or were you attempting to pre-emtively defend those programs as someone pretending not to be a socialist shill?

Unrealized by most Americans 70% of that "help" $$$$ went to Banks outside the USA. Never to be returned - as "they" are bankrupt also. It still continues "we" sent $700 million last couple weeks to foreign banks in swaps.

Really? What quantifies MOST Americans? What's your source on this greater-than-50% figure?

Actually, quite a few do know this as the Tea Party publicized it.

"We" sent? Who's we? The government does this kind of thing, I'm fresh out, actually.


The oft repeated theme blaming irresponsible citizens for purchasing houses they could not afford is a myth (propaganda).

Actually, you'd be spreading the propaganda as this is patently false and intellectually dishonest. The housing crisis fomented, indeed WAS the genesis of our current economic travails. The prime pre-cursor was Franklin Raines who as head of Fannie Mae (which designs the standards for loan repayments if banks want to re-float in the secondary market, which would be ALL of them) got rich churning activity in FM by promulgating those standards. If Raines, a democrat who obtained his position in FM due to working for Bill Clinton as an aid was allowed to keep ONE MILLION dollars per year for each of the 7 years he worked there, he would still have to return 80 million dollars.

Raines' allowing, nay, requiring banks to operate under these standards combined with many buyers who knew they could not afford extravagant homes beyond their means produced the mess that has been unspooling since, further compounded by the securitization schemes FM (essentially a government bank) fed to the private sector market who were told, hey, you can sell these, they're backed by the GOVERNMENT. Raines operated FM like a rogue dictator, including distorting accounting periods (in a manner that put a major corporation like Computer Associates into deferred prosecution) and quit just ahead of getting fired and possibly arrested.

The mess is because of CRIMES not happenstance.

Duh. At least you admit that and that its not the system, but criminal acts within the system.

This is all my opinion and figures are quoted from a feeble memory and a lot of reading.

Thank God we can now safely write you off.

Many information sources would make Joseph Goebbles and the Nazi's proud.

Don't become one yourself, ok?

mes228
09-02-2011, 13:51
The most ignorant of opinions are those garnered from radio propaganda shows. Theres a lot of that on display here. The 99% true "lie" is the order of the day on talk radio - of any parties persuasion. As for the 70 cents on the dollar going to banks outside the USA. After losing the court case the Fed was required to tell Congress where the money went. As it was public money. The Federal Reserve released over 10,000 pages of documents that are in the public domaine. Several web sites have quantified the amounts and those that received it. Yes over 70 cents on the dollar left the country.

If anyone really believes that these monies have been repaid - I say your living in some fantasy world. The billions of dollars involved in "above board" bailouts are incredibly miniscule to the trillions spent under the table via programs etc. In the attempt to make the banks solvent. Which have failed miserably by the way.

There are millions of the elderly, retired, those in nursing homes - that counted on savings and investments to pay a meaningful return in order to live. As some have put it in various articles "Bernanke promises to screw your Grandmother for two more years". For this essentially "zero interest" policy punishes savers and those retired etc. in order to fund the Banks via a policy that punishes the prudent. Perhaps I shouldn't have suggested Firing Squads.Perhaps the appropiate punishment would be to give everyone that has lost the equity in their home, or had to leave the retirement Home as they could no longer afford it, or lost a job and can't find one, or lost much of their 401K, or their investments. Perhaps they should be given a stone to cast at those that have criminally injured them.

As for these opinions of mine, theres a jumble of sources. Some Talk Radio, some television, some reading. Though I must admit that Dylan Ratigan, The Market Ticker, Zero Hedge, The Automatic Earth, Matt Taibe (spelling?) and a host of others have influenced my thinking. Man this is too long, we elderly do go on don't we??

Bolster
09-02-2011, 15:26
The most ignorant of opinions are those garnered from radio propaganda shows.

I have to disagree. The most ignorant opinions are those cribbed from TV propaganda shows.

There's a lot of research that indicates TV is "the media most suited for people incapable of thought." TV watching actually reduces cognitive activity. It's hard to hear people complaining about talk radio, when they have MSNBC turned up so loud.

Anyway, back to "Day of Rage." What is it, exactly? An Obama re-election event? Is it a day for socialists to protest? If so, why? The socialists have been in charge of America since 2008, so what's there to protest...government not big enough yet? Need more redistribution, more free benefits, fewer people working, more debt? What will they be chanting..."We want to be like Greece?" "Down with wealth?" "Romanticize poverty?"

John Edwards was right when he spoke of there being "two Americas." But it isn't rich vs. poor. It is ruling class vs. ruled. I hope people can figure out they need to protest the source of poverty (the political class), not the source of wealth (the business class).

Rich people & businesses make jobs & wealth. Government only takes wealth and redistributes it.

G29Reload
09-02-2011, 16:12
The most ignorant of opinions are those garnered from radio propaganda shows.

Ah, a shill of the Left leaning statists. Codeword for Rush, Sean, Levin, etc.

Lefties don't have any radio shows because no one listened to their propaganda.

Theres a lot of that on display here.

Really? Really. Please be specific.



If anyone really believes that these monies have been repaid - I say your living in some fantasy world.

And your proof is...?



The billions of dollars involved in "above board" bailouts are incredibly miniscule to the trillions spent under the table

Of which you have extensive and specific knowledge only you can possess?


There are millions of the elderly, retired, those in nursing homes - that counted on savings and investments to pay a meaningful return in order to live.

Ok, so now you're injecting emotional issues that while related arent relevant to the political/financial discussion.



As for these opinions of mine, theres a jumble of sources. Some Talk Radio,

Wait, I thought that was all propaganda?

Dylan Ratigan,


Really?


Matt Taibe (spelling?)
REALLY?

Left wing clown.



As for these opinions of mine, theres a jumble of sources.

To match your jumbled incoherent thoughts.

Man this is too long, we elderly do go on don't we??

Only if you're senile, demented or early onset Alzheimers. Why don't you take a seat over there? Your oatmeal will be done in a minute.

mes228
09-02-2011, 16:14
Bolster, sadly I agree with you. Both TV & radio are vehicles of propaganda and spin. Truth is at a premium and hard to discern. great efforts are being expended in having Americans made "blind" and hate one another. Divide and "blind" them to the real villans. Conservatives are egged on the hate Liberals. Liberals hate conservatives. Republicans versus Democrats both encouraged to despise the other.

Everyone hates the immigrants. Some Blacks hate the white man. Some Whites hate Blacks. The truth is EVERYONE, every citizen has been used like a condom and discarded. All the debts, all the loans, all the burdens will, in the end, be shifted downward onto the people's backs. Well the "people" did not do this. You have 535 people in Congress and the Senate plus a President (various ones of each party for many years) that have absolutely ruined the 300 million citizens.

Iceland is the only country on earth that did the right thing. The people essentially told the government "the citizens did not do this, privately owned Banks did this. And you, the government worked with them and allowed it. They should pay, go to jail, and go bankrupt and you must leave office." About three years of hard times and Iceland is growing (at about 3% I believe) and has hope for a future. Theres not one American that wanted any of this. Banks and Wall Street wanted these remedies. Our government gave it to them. We have the best government money can buy - and they appear to be all bought. President Obama is an example. I've read he has almost 60 million in his war chest. With over 50% coming from Banks and most of the rest from Corporations. So who is he beholden to??? Well, theres an old saying in business "Jones pays the freight, so give Jones what he wants". So who's paying the freight for all these politicians? Not me for sure.

And before you bash me for being anti- capitalism. Well "I ARE ONE (grin)". We are "incorporated" and own/operate two companies. I type this from a hotel, on the road, working my butt off trying to make a living. I'll shut up now, my rant is over. I apologize to anyone offended. Just my opinion.

cyrsequipment
09-02-2011, 17:24
I think you need to stay home for awhile, the road is having an adverse impact on your mental abilities. You ain't making any sense...

mes228
09-03-2011, 05:12
Leftist? I voted for the Constitutional Party last time. I've never voted for a Democrat, and will not this time. I used to support the Tea Party. I whole heartedly support Ron Paul on many of his points. We have homeschooled our children. I own a business. I own firearms and support the peoples right to do so. I carry a concealed weapon. I hunt. Leftist??? I probably am as conservative as anyone you will ever meet. However, I do despise manipulation and propaganda. You manipulate animals, not humans to do as you wish. I have a problem with talk radio of both flavors.

The propaganda that is a 99% true lie is my problem. The government is dysfunctional, the country is divided, the people have been set citizen against citizen by these sons of Joseph Goebbels. If hating spin, manipulation, and propaganda makes me a leftist then don't know what "leftist" means. If "conservative" means I must eat every dish that radio and television wishes to serve me. Then I'll pass on that too. seems pretty clear to me who is "senile" and only parroting someone elses message. I suspect those reading the thread can make their own judgement. Best regards and have a great day.

G29Reload
09-03-2011, 05:34
I think you need to stay home for awhile, the road is having an adverse impact on your mental abilities. You ain't making any sense...

This.

BORNGEARHEAD
09-03-2011, 11:13
Leftist? I voted for the Constitutional Party last time. I've never voted for a Democrat, and will not this time. I used to support the Tea Party. I whole heartedly support Ron Paul on many of his points. We have homeschooled our children. I own a business. I own firearms and support the peoples right to do so. I carry a concealed weapon. I hunt. Leftist??? I probably am as conservative as anyone you will ever meet. However, I do despise manipulation and propaganda. You manipulate animals, not humans to do as you wish. I have a problem with talk radio of both flavors.

The propaganda that is a 99% true lie is my problem. The government is dysfunctional, the country is divided, the people have been set citizen against citizen by these sons of Joseph Goebbels. If hating spin, manipulation, and propaganda makes me a leftist then don't know what "leftist" means. If "conservative" means I must eat every dish that radio and television wishes to serve me. Then I'll pass on that too. seems pretty clear to me who is "senile" and only parroting someone elses message. I suspect those reading the thread can make their own judgement. Best regards and have a great day.

I like you.

Careful though, you start thinking for yourself they will consider you a terrorist. They prefer the weak-minded sheep, easy to control.

G29Reload
09-03-2011, 12:35
I used to support the Tea Party.

Used to? Their message hasn't changed...stop spending, repeal ObamaCare. Unless you've fallen for the LWM's invention of new bogeyman status (they're racist!) or other falsehoods.

I whole heartedly support Ron Paul

Case closed. He makes sense about 40% of the time then wanders off the reservation with whacko comments like Iran is not a threat! He'd get us all killed and only the vapid uninformed would vote for him. Nutjob and a half.

UneasyRider
09-03-2011, 14:01
Unfortunately, I'm afraid we are past the financial tiping point. You can't be a government with $150 trillion dollars in obligations and promises due in the next 30 years when you will only take in about $65-$75 trillion over the same period of time....those are real numbers.



I think that there will be plenty of money to pay these obligations with. Average income in 2017 should be about 1 million dollars per year, enough to eat.

BORNGEARHEAD
09-03-2011, 15:45
Used to? Their message hasn't changed...stop spending, repeal ObamaCare. Unless you've fallen for the LWM's invention of new bogeyman status (they're racist!) or other falsehoods.


Isn't Ron Paul the O.G. of the Tea Party?

mes228
09-03-2011, 17:36
G29reload please read closely, I wrote "I whole heartedly support Ron Paul on MOST of his points". I made no mention of WHAT POINTS. You supplied what points you wished to take exception to (Iran) and then attributed them to me. At any rate you probably are a nice guy, and I wish nothing bad for you or the country. Maybe we don't agree on everything. But then some of my ancestors, and some of my immediate family have died defending my right to disagree. Best regards and have a great day.

Bolster
09-03-2011, 18:09
Well...back to Day of Rage, what do you say we steer this thread back on topic?

Sorry for my part in taking it off topic.

Can anyone give me a handle on what is motivating the "rage" and whether it's legitimate or not? What sort of preps would be appropriate, if any?

FightingTiger
09-03-2011, 19:15
I was on Wall St just recently, security is pretty intense there (at least in front of NYSE). I doubt this goes anywhere.

JamesAZ83
09-04-2011, 23:50
Umm, the 17th is a saturday. The markets will be closed and these dip****s will be protesting a (mostly) empty building.

UneasyRider
09-05-2011, 06:06
Umm, the 17th is a saturday. The markets will be closed and these dip****s will be protesting a (mostly) empty building.

Less resistance to the inevitable looting.

Cali-Glock
09-05-2011, 15:54
This is the first I have heard of the event. Sounds like the NYPD will need some water cannons and rubber bullets.

TangoFoxtrot
09-06-2011, 02:55
Just more idiots out there to stir an empty pot, especially on a Saturday.

pugman
09-06-2011, 10:59
I think that there will be plenty of money to pay these obligations with. Average income in 2017 should be about 1 million dollars per year, enough to eat.

I can only assume those are inflated dollars?

lawman800
09-13-2011, 23:09
The average new york city dweller is as well armed as the londoner thanks to the sullivan laws. At least the cops in new york can fight back though.

cyrsequipment
09-15-2011, 07:03
The average new york city dweller is as well armed as the londoner thanks to the sullivan laws. At least the cops in new york can fight back though.

They're also just as big a bunch of pansies... Talk about a group of people dependant on government. Even west coast people are more self-sufficient than new yorkers...

jdavionic
09-16-2011, 20:57
Umm, the 17th is a saturday. The markets will be closed and these dip****s will be protesting a (mostly) empty building.

Yea, that one left me scratching my head too.:dunno:

ArmoryDoc
09-16-2011, 21:07
Well...back to Day of Rage, what do you say we steer this thread back on topic?

Sorry for my part in taking it off topic.

Can anyone give me a handle on what is motivating the "rage" and whether it's legitimate or not? What sort of preps would be appropriate, if any?

It's nothing but a gathering of anarchists. Their reasoning ? Chaos and an opportunity to blend in with the other dead-head slime and break / loot stuff. Nothing more, nothing less. :yawn:

lawman800
09-17-2011, 00:40
Yea, that one left me scratching my head too.:dunno:

There you go, trying to make sense of leftists. You're going to give yourself a stroke!:whistling:

Bolster
09-17-2011, 10:17
Well? It's the 17th, are we rageing? No mentions at CNN or FoxNews websites.

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/09/16/radical-rage-marxist-mob-plans-to-occupy-wall-street/

http://www.examiner.com/net-buzz-in-national/thousands-to-protest-on-wall-street-for-us-day-of-rage

http://newyork.ibtimes.com/articles/215491/20110917/occupy-wall-street-new-york-protest-where-when-anonymous.htm

Corporate money influencing elections, bad. Union money influencing elections, good!

jdavionic
09-17-2011, 10:59
Well? It's the 17th, are we rageing?

Not yet...kickoff isn't until 3:30pm (ET). Depending upon how the game goes, there might be no rage and happiness or intense rage. :supergrin:

Kevin108
09-17-2011, 14:00
NYC is cloudy and in the lows 60s. The weather might disrupt the event like that global warming rally in DC (http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/4642051/).

Babynine
09-17-2011, 14:24
I just caught a bit of video from the protest and I noticed that the tool being interviewed had a bandana or shemagh around his neck. My first thought was that this tool looks ready to use the bandana to hide his face from police cameras should the "Rage" break out.

They sure looked and sounded like socialists.

Bolster
09-17-2011, 15:13
I didn't realize until now that the hand behind the Day of Rage is the SEIU (http://www.mercedsunstar.com/2011/09/16/2045556/sam-palmer-day-of-rage-an-irony.html). So here we have public-sector employees once again attacking the source of their funding, the private sector. (As if Obama hadn't been doing that for the past 3 years already.) As has been endlessly reported, the public sector unions have been one of the very few groups (well, there's Solyndra, after all) to benefit from this recession. Golden pensions, cheap healthcare, and the president in their back pocket.

What do they have to be enraged about? They are the only ones doing well!

jdavionic
09-17-2011, 18:34
Well that was a pretty boring "day of rage" :rofl:

Kevin108
09-17-2011, 18:39
The liberal protests are just as effective as their liberal president.

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Bolster
09-18-2011, 14:45
Day of Ragers are disappointed. Assorted quotes from their own reporting:

"The New York Post had a short blurb saying a bunch of college kids and aging hippies were in New York to protest corporations or something."

"a small group of people still holding assemblies in New York City."

"A quick search of the News tab in Google will show you a sparse amount of news compared to many other topics out there ...While the number of people in New York City participating may be small (at this point), the fact that people are doing this is newsworthy itself."

Uh, no it's not. Nice try. The Ragers also point out that they're getting "lots of support on the internet." Oooooo, internet support! Can't overlook those people sitting behind their computers, cheering them on.

I think their basic problem is, the socialists have nothing to protest. It's all been going their way for the last 3 years, and if they don't like what they've got by now, they only have themselves to blame.

lawman800
09-18-2011, 14:54
Keep raging... Yeah... Go ahead now!

quake
09-18-2011, 15:26
...So here we have public-sector employees once again attacking the source of their funding...

No offense meant, and your usage is correct in the current media lingo; but the concept of "public sector" jobs/unions is a socialist-generated connotation, and one of my soapbox issues

They're government employees and government jobs; and there's fast becoming too many of them for us real-market people to support.


...and now we return to your regularly-scheduled thread... :embarassed:

W.E.G.
09-18-2011, 19:14
Its right here...
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/smileys/rave.gif

Oh wait, day of RAGE.

Never mind.

racerford
09-18-2011, 20:42
Since appears to be a complete failure, is it better termed "a day of almost angry enough to get out of bed"?

mes228
09-19-2011, 04:42
Day of Rage may or may not have been a failure. We don't know, and we won't know. As the mainstream media is entertainment rather than news. And very selectively reports anything and does so in a coordinated manner. Free Press?? Pravada was better at reporting "news". So is "Aljezeerra" (spelling?). Our news consist of what Lindsey Lohan is shoplifting, or the latest indiscretion of someone in Hollywood. If it's real news, or real important, it will be spun and given short shrift so that the masses can/will be led to the "right perception" as those in charge wish. Look at Ron Paul for an example. I'm not trying to be pro or con Ron Paul, however it obvious he's not reported on "fairly".

As an aside, I had an interesting conversation with an ex-Special Forces Medic that's out now. He was commenting that he personally did not believe the media story about the California to Arizona electrical black out for a moment. Just too close to 9/11 anniversary and a near impossibility for one careless workman to accomplish all that. He also very much disbelieves the black out in the North East resulted from a squirrel being "fried" in a switching station. His take on terrorism is "Do you really think those in charge would tell Americans there had been a operation on American soil - If there was ANY alternative explanation?". Just a thought.

racerford
09-19-2011, 10:40
Since this is leftist event, if it were a sucess of any kind, I would expect the mainstream media to exagerate the sucess, if possible. Say 1000 people show up to express their peaceful rage and 3000 to watch them maybe get beaten. I would expect CNN to cover it and say 4000-6000 people were on had for the protest.

If it were a success it would have been proclaimed it was a success. If it was a smidgen of success, I would expect it to be proclaimed a success. If it was an abject failure, I would expect near silence like we are experiencing now.

But, everyone has their own interpretaion of how the media reacts to things and why.

lawman800
09-19-2011, 11:35
Just as the "Million" Man March was way under targe... I don't even think they reached 6 figures... And just as the media downplayed the numbers at Tea Party rallies, if there was anything they can show to pump it up, they would have. But there is no real way to show 10-15 people and claim hundreds and thousands in attendance without CGI.

Bolster
09-19-2011, 12:18
Day of Rage may or may not have been a failure. We don't know, and we won't know.

I respectfully disagree. In all the articles I read, the ragers were always using media attention and crowd size as their two measures of success. That's what they want, that's what they need, for the life of their movement. Without column inches, without big crowds, they fail.

According to the New York Post, there were, “Far fewer than the 20,000 that organizers of the so-called global “Day of Rage” had predicted." One estimate put it at 5,000 total. Another estimate was 1,000. Some say "a few hundred." Painfully small for Washington DC mob action. Also means that 1 out of 4 (or 1 of 20) people who "promised" to show up, actually did. (And the 20K number was probably an UNDERestimate from the ragers, since you always want to outperform your predictions. It's the spread that counts, not the absolute number, in making news.)

Compound that with the media blowing it off as a couple of hippies and malcontents, and this goes down in my book, currently, as a failure. If it grows, I'm willing to revise. But I don't hang with the idea that "we can't know if it's a success or not." If it's a socialist success, we'll know! If it's a failure, we'll not hear of it.

Days of Rage, basically "anger at the rich," seems oddly coordinated with Obama's speeches making the same class-warfare points against "millionaires and billionaries" (ie, anyone earning $200K per year). Think there's any collaboration, there?

What percentage of Day of Ragers would you expect to vote for Obama in 2012?

Bilbo Bagins
09-19-2011, 12:21
But check the local news ... Ohh the Humanity ... Hide the Children

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/18/article-0-0DF3AB1000000578-789_634x428.jpg

A "few hundred" protestors showed up. Five Arrest were made. :yawn:

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Wall-Street-Protests-Arrests-130131668.html

A point of view from the UK

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2038700/US-Day-Rage-Protestors-try-Wall-Street.html?ITO=1490

Looks like this was squashed quick, but the NYPD seems to be on high alert with the UN general assembly meeting on Palenstine statehood.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/United-Nations-Obama-Palestine-Israel-130106228.html

Bolster
09-19-2011, 12:33
Sad when there's more police than protestors.

wjv
09-19-2011, 14:03
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i303/bcvojak/Day_O_Rage.jpg

Bolster
09-20-2011, 19:40
Snippets:

"The second protest for the “Day of Rage” rally wasn’t nearly as big as the one held Saturday, as only about 300 protesters were on hand."

"NYPD officers on Tuesday have arrested seven more demonstrators at the ongoing Day of rage protest on Wall Street, the AP reported...A few hundred protesters have gathered outside Wall Street financial firms to denounce what they say are connections between politicians and the firms."

Let's see, 300 in attendance, but 20,000 predicted. That looks like a verifiable 98.5% failure rate.

Gotta love these new-age socialists who can only rage behind their computer screens, between viewing Rachael Maddow and reading Daily Kos.

http://members.cox.net/kspot/interest/comic.png

Akita
09-20-2011, 19:42
Since this is leftist event, if it were a sucess of any kind, I would expect the mainstream media to exagerate the sucess, if possible. Say 1000 people show up to express their peaceful rage and 3000 to watch them maybe get beaten. I would expect CNN to cover it and say 4000-6000 people were on had for the protest.

If it were a success it would have been proclaimed it was a success. If it was a smidgen of success, I would expect it to be proclaimed a success. If it was an abject failure, I would expect near silence like we are experiencing now.

But, everyone has their own interpretaion of how the media reacts to things and why.

yeah. thats the answer.

lawman800
09-20-2011, 23:58
Take a wild guess where these ragers will be when they grow up. I'll be willing to bet quite a few settle for the stable suburban existence with a corporate job while only a handful hold into their ideals and remain hippies into old age. Look at the hippies from the sixties to see how you can't stop life.

BORNGEARHEAD
09-21-2011, 22:01
Looks like there are still people down there and the crowd might be getting a little bigger?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7qxKciqHjM&feature=feedu

Bolster
09-22-2011, 10:46
I gauge interest by doing a google News search. If you search Day of Rage right now, limiting to past 24 hours, first page returns 20 stories, 2 of which mention "Day of Rage" in passing, mostly as complaints that the media isn't paying attention.

Even the most sunny reports reference "hundreds of disenchanted and disaffected youth camping out nightly in a lower Manhattan park, marching on the financial district by day..."

They're even complaining that Marxist MSNBC isn't paying attention...boo hoo...

G29Reload
09-22-2011, 11:38
Look at the hippies from the sixties to see how you can't stop life.

Yep. I see more of em driving top of the line harleys and Ford expeditions sucking the gas...complete sellouts to whatever it was they were ranting about when they were stoned.


I heard the whole deal was a dozen smelly hippies (are there any other kind?) in a park. We're talking half a can of pepper spray here. Or maybe half a G17 magazine. Just not worth the effort.

BORNGEARHEAD
09-22-2011, 19:47
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rfuvDr2wJQ&feature=player_embedded

Bolster
09-23-2011, 11:43
Oh goodie...we've moved on to "Day of Vengeance." That would be...tomorrow. Darn it, I'm having my nails done tomorrow, I can't make it.

http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-national/anonymous-plans-national-u-s-day-of-vengeance-on-sept-24

Looks like I have "Day of Bloody Decapitation, Evisceration, and Disembowelment" free, though, so maybe I'll see you guys then...fingers crossed...

racerford
09-23-2011, 12:03
Oh goodie...we've moved on to "Day of Vengeance." That would be...tomorrow. Darn it, I'm having my nails done tomorrow, I can't make it.

http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-national/anonymous-plans-national-u-s-day-of-vengeance-on-sept-24

Looks like I have "Day of Bloody Decapitation, Evisceration, and Disembowelment" free, though, so maybe I'll see you guys then...fingers crossed...

They will likely have a better turn-out for that one since they don't have to go outside. Heck they don't even have to get up from behind their computers. They can protest while sitting down in the comfort of their mom's basement, eating chip's and Mountain Dew.

I can see this being a great success. As for the number of protesters I am sure they will count the number of netbot they have enslaved for denial of service attacks.

If you want to protest their protest day shut down your computer for the day, that way ther is no way it can be used as a slave. And denial of service will have no impact as if noone was visiting then, noone is inconvenience or will notice the site is down that they are attacking. What they gave a war and nobody came?

BORNGEARHEAD
09-26-2011, 22:02
80 arrests today.

G29Reload
09-26-2011, 22:57
Day of unwashed hippie *********s.

jdavionic
09-27-2011, 03:56
Day of unwashed hippie *********s.

Sorry, but that's not a special day. That's every day.

jdavionic
09-27-2011, 04:11
I saw a segment on Greta's FoxNews show. One of the protesters was bitter over the abusive 'bully tactics' being used against them. He claimed two women were just standing there when the police "maced" them. Yea, I'm sure that's exactly what happened :upeyes:

They had some other moron there who vowed to be there "every day...from 12 to 1pm" :rofl: Really...that's dedication :rofl: It looked more like some guy who had nothing else to do over his lunch hour.

Anyway, they vowed that DC is next for their protests.

Bolster
09-27-2011, 09:59
The old playbook: if you can't get any media attention with your "sit in," then start breaking laws to get arrests. Then claim police abuse of power. Sit back, and watch the media coverage begin.

Somebody's been reading their Saul Alinsky!

And it's working. The news media is beginning to feature the Ragers. If they continue to do that, that will add fuel to the fire, and we may actually have something.

sebecman
10-04-2011, 12:35
The old playbook: if you can't get any media attention with your "sit in," then start breaking laws to get arrests. Then claim police abuse of power. Sit back, and watch the media coverage begin.

Yep gotta figure that was on thier minds when they went across the brooklyn bridge...getting some attention now.

I had to go down to Portland the other day and there were a few on Congress street....

Been reading some online writings and a few seemingly educated folk think this is just the begining and this will "snowball" into our version of the Arab Spring....

Speaking of snowballs, wonder if any of these kids are giving any thought to the coming weather? Gonna be a long cold camp-out here pretty soon!

Should have made April 1st the start of their uprising. Fool's day could have had several applicable meanings as well!

:supergrin:

HAMMERHEAD
10-04-2011, 13:19
Yeah, they better get the Minneapolis version done soon, the weather is nice now, but......

lawman800
10-04-2011, 14:46
700 attended. They are in it for the long haul... So says some of these hippies.

Stupid
10-04-2011, 15:07
When can people understand being rich is not a crime but not enforcing the law is?

Had this kind of MBS been underwritten in some other countries, heads would roll literally. Here? Everybody gets a bonus at taxpayers expense.

Go to Washington DC, not Wall street!!!

G29Reload
10-15-2011, 13:12
Since this is leftist event, if it were a sucess of any kind, I would expect the mainstream media to exagerate the sucess, if possible. Say 1000 people show up to express their peaceful rage and 3000 to watch them maybe get beaten. I would expect CNN to cover it and say 4000-6000 people were on had for the protest.

If it were a success it would have been proclaimed it was a success. If it was a smidgen of success, I would expect it to be proclaimed a success. If it was an abject failure, I would expect near silence like we are experiencing now.

But, everyone has their own interpretaion of how the media reacts to things and why.

Funny how when the Tea Party started the media ignored it till it was so large they couldn't, then they tried to change the narrative to racist/violent/malcontent Obama haters. It was either ignored or badmouthed. This honest-to-God grassroots movement was derided as "astroturf" by idiots like Nancy Pelosi, like she's the new Josephine Goebbels of the demLeft, a propagandist queen.

Still they came, showered, dressed and espoused the idea of limited government and fiscal sanity. They went where the problem was, DC, and presented a cohesive message. They arrived at the appointed time, stayed for a decent interval then left until they could schedule another civilized demonstration with a message.

Now we have the OWS nonsense, filthy, smelly hippies who illegally occupy private property, defecate on police cars, sleep and f*#$ in parks for a month or more but more importantly can't string two sentences together, have no cohesive message, are on tape making racist rants, getting arrested for failure to follow police orders, etc. The result was a spectacle that should have died in its cradle the weekend it was initiated by the vapid and malodorous, clueless what they want to do other than rant mindlessly.

The media, lapdog of the left can't give it enough press, makes it seem more than it is, which is to say a bunch of malcontents, and no one cares that paid union thugs a la the Wisconsin debacle are bussed in for a real astroturf boost, and Soros' organization is funneling in money to help the errant waifs resupply and get noticed, persisting enough that we can't ignore them for the problem they really are, if nothing else. Losing traction at every turn they try to join "spiritually" with the Tea Party by saying they're the same thing even though previously they just wrote it off with vile epithets and at some turns even try to co-opt tea party people into joining them when the two are nothing alike.

I expected this whole nonsense to shrivel up awhile back but I was wrong. The leftists and Soros are alerting the media and flagging rabble rousers world wide trying to coordinate message (complain about something!) and with a handful in each city across the world plus the usual malcontents the media is now telling us its a worldwide revolution.:upeyes:

Yet, nothing continues to happen. If it all dries up and blows away tomorrow which it might do when it gets really cold outside…nothing will have changed.

Because nothing is what they stood for.

BORNGEARHEAD
10-15-2011, 18:44
It takes a real man to punch a woman in the face. I hope it isn't anyone's wife or daughter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxZ8_JdKm0Q&feature=feedlik

UneasyRider
10-15-2011, 19:36
It takes a real man to punch a woman in the face. I hope it isn't anyone's wife or daughter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxZ8_JdKm0Q&feature=feedlik

Man or woman you can only ask those cops to control their emotions for so long before they start to lose them, one at a time. The demonstrators have been pushing these guys for weeks now and it's going to blow up soon. Wasn't much of a punch either, that girl is lucky this wasn't some young guy with a lot of training.

BORNGEARHEAD
10-15-2011, 22:56
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAcbA-l9jeo&feature=feedlik

jdavionic
10-16-2011, 06:45
It takes a real man to punch a woman in the face. I hope it isn't anyone's wife or daughter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxZ8_JdKm0Q&feature=feedlik

Whoever is videotaping sounds like the latin guy that does soccer games..."goooaaaalllll"

jdavionic
10-16-2011, 06:51
Man or woman you can only ask those cops to control their emotions for so long before they start to lose them, one at a time. The demonstrators have been pushing these guys for weeks now and it's going to blow up soon. Wasn't much of a punch either, that girl is lucky this wasn't some young guy with a lot of training.

That's no excuse. If you cannot control yourself to the point where you need to respond like that, then you ought to find another career path. And wrt 'not much of a punch', many times it's the subsequent fall and striking the ground that can cause a bad damage as well.

It appears she did something physical to him before the punch. However given the size difference, I would think he could have restrained her without decking her.

With all that said, people ought to expect possible bad outcomes by creating such tension. Not to say the protester deserved it, but if you elevate tension and immerse yourself in the situation, you might not like the outcome.

UneasyRider
10-16-2011, 09:08
That's no excuse. If you cannot control yourself to the point where you need to respond like that, then you ought to find another career path. And wrt 'not much of a punch', many times it's the subsequent fall and striking the ground that can cause a bad damage as well.

It appears she did something physical to him before the punch. However given the size difference, I would think he could have restrained her without decking her.

With all that said, people ought to expect possible bad outcomes by creating such tension. Not to say the protester deserved it, but if you elevate tension and immerse yourself in the situation, you might not like the outcome.

I agree with you, the police should control themselves, but they are only human. Sooner or later this was going to happen, I don't know if the cop is a good man or a bad man, I just know that he is just a man. He gets tired, his kids get sick, he does not like being yelled at, etc.

The Fist Of Goodness
10-16-2011, 09:46
If you go to the linked video of the officer punching the protester, there is a link in the video that takes you to a different angle. From that perspective, the "woman" he punches clearly has a scruffy beard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_957756&src_vid=vxZ8_JdKm0Q&v=CS7WHeEtTvQ&feature=iv

jdavionic
10-16-2011, 10:21
If you go to the linked video of the officer punching the protester, there is a link in the video that takes you to a different angle. From that perspective, the "woman" he punches clearly has a scruffy beard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_957756&src_vid=vxZ8_JdKm0Q&v=CS7WHeEtTvQ&feature=iv

Okay...doesn't change my previous post though.

G29Reload
10-16-2011, 10:57
It appears she did something physical to him before the punch. However given the size difference, I would think he could have restrained her without decking her.

Plus, pepper spray has a more lasting effect.

Man or woman, no sympathy for either if they're protestors. Cops dont hit for no reason. Not a crowd this size with TV cameras present.

jdavionic
10-16-2011, 11:40
Plus, pepper spray has a more lasting effect.

Man or woman, no sympathy for either if they're protestors. Cops dont hit for no reason. Not a crowd this size with TV cameras present.

No sympathy for the protesters here either. Like I said before, they created a tense situation and immersed themselves in the middle of it. I don't think it justifies the cop's actions, but it shouldn't be a shock to protesters that they might get hurt.

G29Reload
10-16-2011, 12:17
Wouldnt have blamed the cop if he took out her teeth with backhanded smack from a nightstick. No sympathy. Stop resisting and follow the officers lawful order. Disperse means disperse. Not the biggest fan of cops myself but these folks were asking for it.

UneasyRider
10-16-2011, 15:33
Wouldnt have blamed the cop if he took out her teeth with backhanded smack from a nightstick. No sympathy. Stop resisting and follow the officers lawful order. Disperse means disperse. Not the biggest fan of cops myself but these folks were asking for it.

I have watched some NYC cops using 2 hands on their night stick swinging away like they are chopping down a tree.

lawman800
10-16-2011, 20:22
I have watched some NYC cops using 2 hands on their night stick swinging away like they are chopping down a tree.

Oh noes!! Chopping trees? That's not environmentally sound! Wait until the greenies get ahold of this latest tactic from the cops.

In other news, everytime you oc or baton a hippie, an angel gets his/her wings.

UneasyRider
10-16-2011, 20:47
Oh noes!! Chopping trees? That's not environmentally sound! Wait until the greenies get ahold of this latest tactic from the cops.

In other news, everytime you oc or baton a hippie, an angel gets his/her wings.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

G29Reload
10-16-2011, 20:48
DIE hippy, DIE!


:rofl:

Bolster
10-18-2011, 10:18
Schoen, a well-known pollster, has put out a poll of the Raging Occupiers. It's interesting. Just a snippet:

"Our research shows clearly that the movement doesn't represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse. Rather, it comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence...The vast majority of demonstrators are actually employed...An overwhelming majority of demonstrators supported Barack Obama in 2008....What binds a large majority of the protesters together is a deep commitment to left-wing policies..."

So, this is just the new face of MoveOn.org and former Obama voters. In a nutshell, the hard left. A very far cry from "the 99%."

See the rest here:

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424052970204479504576637082965745362-lMyQjAxMTAxMDEwODExNDgyWj.html?mod=wsj_share_email_bot

mes228
10-18-2011, 10:33
Instead of listening to the sons of "Joseph Goebbels" on the air waves and reading propaganda from Murdochs (spelling??) rag. Then consenting to being led around by the ring they have placed in your nose (brain). I suggest you go to "Market Ticker" and go down the page to the segment on "Dylan Ratigan" and watch the short (very few minuets) video.

Bolster
10-18-2011, 16:48
Instead of listening to the sons of "Joseph Goebbels" on the air waves and reading propaganda from Murdochs (spelling??) rag. Then consenting to being led around by the ring they have placed in your nose (brain). I suggest you go to "Market Ticker" and go down the page to the segment on "Dylan Ratigan" and watch the short (very few minuets) video.

I'm sure it would suit your purposes to profile the pollster Schoen (referenced above) as a "propagandist" and "son of Goebbels," but if he is one, it's for the left. Dr. Doug Schoen was Bill Clinton's research and strategic consultant.

So maybe you should take the ring out of your own brain before accusing others of it.

And since you seem to be remarkably unaware of history, Goebbels was a socialist and anti-capitalist. If he were alive today he'd be leading the Raging Occupiers, who are themselves propagandists after their own fashion.

mes228
10-18-2011, 17:39
Here you go http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=196146 Just a very few minuets of your time.

There is no "right" or "left". There's only American citizens. All of which have been used, abused, and cast aside, after being robbed. It's in the interest of those in "office" to have the OWS smeared as "anti-capitalist". The Republicans and Wall Street by lying, and the Democrats by trying to co-opt it. OWS threatens the teat that feeds them both. It's also in the best interest of those in power which see the parade forming - that they try to get in front of it (to be the leader). Obama, Pelosi, and the others KNOW that they will only divide, diminish, and hurt OWS by associating with it.

You may wish to label me as "left" leaning. Well, you would be wrong. I am a conservative, probably more so than many here. I am Christian, I own a company, I am married, we've home schooled our children (one is returning this week from being Deployed in the Middle East) I have had family members die in combat, I own firearms and hunt. I love the this country. However, I absolutely hate two systems of Justice that allows Wall Street and Corporations to rob the people, purchase political power, corrupt the Regulatory Bodies and Courts, then laugh in our faces. While the statute of Limitations runs out and they walk. If this is offensive I apologize in advance.

lawman800
10-18-2011, 18:05
How come the left can't get it through their heads that Nazism is a leftist socialist ideology. It is state run industry. Not free market right wing at all.

As a matter of fact, name over murderous regime in history that is right wing... You really can't... The English monarchy was not right wing. Democracy and free capitalist nation states like those in Renaissance Italy did not experience internal upheaval like you see in left leaning regimes.

Leftist thought brainwashes the people to join then it subjugates them, then uses murder and other tactics to keep power. Leftists point their guns inward at their own people to prevent escape and keep dominance, free nations point their guns outward to protect the nation.

Bolster
10-18-2011, 18:18
There is no "right" or "left". There's only American citizens. You may wish to label me as "left" leaning. Well, you would be wrong. I am a conservative...

That's precisely the conceit that Schoen debunks--this is not at all a bipartisan movement. You can rely on actual empirical data, rather than the propaganda link you gave. MoveOn.org, Soros, and the SEIU are the engines behind the Raging Occupiers. This should be obvious, since they are protesting at Wall Street, not the White House.

If you are indeed a conservative, Mes, then I hold a higher standard for you. Please open your eyes. Educate yourself to see past the Occupier's propaganda of representing "99%" of the population. At most they represent the Obama-voting 20%, but they catch a few well-meaning conservatives in their fake-populist dragnet as well.

Bolster
10-18-2011, 18:37
How come the left can't get it through their heads that Nazism is a leftist socialist ideology. It is state run industry. Not free market right wing at all.

I think one person in 100 understands that. You just earned points in my book.

National - Socialist - German - Worker's - Party. NSDAP. They were even redundant with the "socialist" and "worker's" words in the same title. Whom did the NSDAP hate most? The INTERNATIONAL Socialists (Russia). WWII was a conflict between two brands of socialism: national vs international. The US took the side of the International Socialists. I tell this to my students and their mouths hang open. It's already all down the memory hole.

Hitler was an environmentalist, vegetarian, animal-advocate, capitalist-hating, anti-semitic, anti-corporate, statist artist agitator who was a fantastic orator. And prior to that he was a bum who slept in Vienna doorways and doodled artwork for his (likely Jewish) friend Kubizek to sell. Where would he feel most comfortable today? WWHD?

lawman800
10-18-2011, 18:46
That's the dumb part. Libs claim to be so smart and educated compared to conservatives but they can't even get their political ideology right. Other than talking points, what else do libs have? Smarmy wise cracks by Bill Maher? Self contradicting gibberish by Michael Moore?

Left: liberal; progressive; fascist; socialist; communist
Right: conservative; fundamentalist; totalitarian

When both sides go to the extreme, both are equally bad but at least conservatives are not hypocrites. Name one leading liberal who would live under the same rules he espouses for the masses, i.e. live like the proletariat instead of the bourgeois socialist. Nobody. It's always luxury and indulgences for the leaders while the people need to share and sacrifice.

Soros, Obama, Ted Kennedy, Mao, Hugo Chavez, Castro, Saddam, Hitler, Stalin, Gore, Moore, Sharpton, etc.

Ruble Noon
10-18-2011, 19:27
I think one person in 100 understands that. You just earned points in my book.

National - Socialist - German - Worker's - Party. NSDAP. They were even redundant with the "socialist" and "worker's" words in the same title. Whom did the NSDAP hate most? The INTERNATIONAL Socialists (Russia). WWII was a conflict between two brands of socialism: national vs international. The US took the side of the International Socialists. I tell this to my students and their mouths hang open. It's already all down the memory hole.

Hitler was an environmentalist, vegetarian, animal-advocate, capitalist-hating, anti-semitic, anti-corporate, statist artist agitator who was a fantastic orator. And prior to that he was a bum who slept in Vienna doorways and doodled artwork for his (likely Jewish) friend Kubizek to sell. Where would he feel most comfortable today? WWHD?

Holy Crap! A teacher that is teaching actual history. Kudos to you.:wavey:

BORNGEARHEAD
10-18-2011, 19:52
Talk radio propaganda isn't working. People are wising up.

Bolster
10-18-2011, 20:03
I don't listen to talk radio -- to whom are you referring, exactly? And what's the evidence that people are getting smarter? Bigger, larger, noisier crowds = wise? That would be sort of like saying that just because people are louder, they're right.

That's in someone's sig line but I don't recollect whose.

lawman800
10-18-2011, 20:13
Hitler was an environmentalist, vegetarian, animal-advocate, capitalist-hating, anti-semitic, anti-corporate, statist artist agitator who was a fantastic orator. And prior to that he was a bum who slept in Vienna doorways and doodled artwork for his (likely Jewish) friend Kubizek to sell. Where would he feel most comfortable today? WWHD?

He would feel pretty comfortable chilling with our community organizer in chief. Heck, from your description, you can basically interchange hitler and obama for the name and the rest of the description fits both people aptly.

Bolster
10-18-2011, 20:19
He would feel pretty comfortable chilling with our community organizer in chief. Heck, from your description, you can basically interchange hitler and obama for the name and the rest of the description fits both people aptly.

Not sure I agree...because I don't think Obama has any Jewish friends. Any more.

Oh! I forgot, Hitler hated tobacco, so he might not have wanted to chill with Obe.

lawman800
10-18-2011, 20:26
Not sure I agree...because I don't think Obama has any Jewish friends. Any more.

Oh! I forgot, Hitler hated tobacco, so he might not have wanted to chill with Obe.

Obama had tons of Jewish supporters and I am sure he still does with the elite like Barbara Streisand and the likes who are just too cool to be with the rest of the human race.

As for tobacco, the One said he quit, remember? He wouldn't lie to us... Right? Hello? Anyone?

Bolster
10-18-2011, 20:32
Well SURE, if you're as cool as B.S., then you'd still be friends with Obie. But if you're that cool, haven't you also transcended Jewishness altogether? Anyhoo, scuttlebutt is that the Jewish vote is leaving Barry in droves. They seem to be somewhat tweakified about his severing ties to another long-time ally of ours, although for the life of me I can't think of which small embattled nation that was formerly targeted for annihilation that would be...

Aack! Gotta quit posting for awhile. Please proceed without me.

lawman800
10-18-2011, 20:40
Well SURE, if you're as cool as B.S., then you'd still be friends with Obie. But if you're that cool, haven't you also transcended Jewishness altogether? Anyhoo, scuttlebutt is that the Jewish vote is leaving Barry in droves. They seem to be somewhat tweakified about his severing ties to another long-time ally of ours, although for the life of me I can't think of which small embattled nation that was formerly targeted for annihilation that would be...

Aack! Gotta quit posting for awhile. Please proceed without me.

You aren't narrowing it down. Obie has also snubbed the UK which is another small nation which is targeted for extermination by the muslim jihad agenda.

BORNGEARHEAD
10-18-2011, 22:46
Let's ramp it up!

http://dailybail.com/home/holy-bailout-federal-reserve-now-backstopping-75-trillion-of.html

mes228
10-19-2011, 06:18
Bolster, re-read the thread carefully YOU ARE THE ONE THAT INTRODUCED "NAZI" TO THIS THREAD. I absolutely agree with many of your points about Obama. I feel he's been a disaster of epic proportions. I have never voted Democrat, nor do I intend to. Obama has shown himself to be just a "house servant" of Banks and Corporations. They have received pretty much everything they ask for. Obama's goal of a war chest of "ONE BILLION" dollars (I believe he already has raised over 100 million), if reached, WILL COME FROM BANKS AND CORPORATIONS. I've not given a dime nor know anyone that has.

I introduced Goebble's as a propagandist and said that he has "sons" in today in the media. The point being that news, talk shows, media etc. (for the most part) is not news. It's entertainment spin, partial truth, focused to influence in a certain direction. To manipulate the listeners to where "they" wish them to be. To garner support for the "party" they represent. On talk radio a partial "truth" can become a lie, when colored with sarcasm, voice inflection, distorted background information, etc.etc. The result is masses of people educated by Talk Radio, and Media in general, are very steeped in not so true "truths".

The intention of this media propaganda is to focus attention away from the real culprits, preserve those in power, and place the blame elsewhere. They say - Yeah, hate those liberals! Yeah, hate those Mexicans, Iranians,Moslems - etc.etc. No hate the regulations etc.etc. anyone but "us". Hate the government ie past administrations and present etc.etc. Well, the government has been captured by money from Wall Street/Corporations for well over a generation. The bad regulations, laws, etc, flow from those that were lobbied to to do those things. Pretty much all they have done, has been dictated by those that "contribute" $$$$$ ie political bribes. The place where we are now spans many administrations and goes back at least 30-40 years or more.

Bilbo Bagins
10-19-2011, 06:41
I have to agree that there is a GOP progandanda slant in regards to the occupy people.

I don't know if this represents all the Occupy protestors, but I have physically seen the Philly "Camp Site" and there are quiet a few "Ron Paul for President" signs up. I think this has a lot to do with Paul libertarian view on legalizing pot. I also seen some obvious local communist party supporters. They are definately not all a pro-Obama/Democrat group, like the GOP pundits want you to believe.

I think its a mix of dopey kids. Some are college age, probably upper middle class background rebelling against mommy & daddy, and guilty of what THEY already have. Others are they typical bums, looking for a handout and thing society OWES them.

lawman800
10-19-2011, 09:32
The American Communist Party is a part of the left just as Obama is a member of the American Socialist Party.

Bolster
10-19-2011, 10:39
Bolster, re-read the thread carefully YOU ARE THE ONE THAT INTRODUCED "NAZI" TO THIS THREAD.

Mes, we all love you, so don't take this wrong, but you're the one with the first Nazi allusions. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Certainly you're not telling me Joe Goebbels is just some random guy? You said:

Instead of listening to the sons of "Joseph Goebbels" on the air waves....

And to my friend Bilbo:

I have to agree that there is a GOP progandanda slant in regards to the occupy people.

Of course, the leftist occupiers are not slanting anything. The left never engages in propaganda. Occupy Wallstreet is not one big giant leftist propaganda media stunt, and attempt to field an army the equivalent of the tea party. (Jedi hand wave): You are not interested in leftist propaganda. There is no leftist propaganda here.

You honestly think it is just a mix of dopey kids? Read the survey by a leftist pollster to find out who they really are. I posted the link above. You don't have to guess and conjecture, there is actual data on hand. These are not a bunch of goofy kids, they represent the hard left. Their demands are more socialism -- they want more of what Obama has to give. This is Obama's army, arrived just in time for re-election. They're a giant red herring, pointing the cause away from the White House and onto Wall Street.

Can we please stop with this "organic grassroots non-partisan" propaganda. They are who they are. If you like them, fine. But let's be honest about their identity.

G29Reload
10-19-2011, 17:20
There is no "right" or "left". There's only American citizens.

Flat out lie. There is leftist fifth column, and you support them. There is a left and a right in this country, without apology I am on the right. Leftist, redistributionist people who are simply jealous and want to confiscate legitimately earned private property.

It's in the interest of those in "office" to have the OWS smeared as "anti-capitalist"..

No, the OWS clowns are in the street SCREAMING EXACTLY THAT! I saw with my own eyes, vid reports direct from the scene. You're trying to prop up a failed ideology, and you have failed.

The following have all offered their support to OWS and have GONE ON RECORD:

-The American Communist Party
-The Chinese Government
-The Iranian Government
-The Democrat National Committee
-The American Nazi Party

Several other orgs, and by survey 35% of the adherents are espousing violence if their goals aren't advanced.

Again, you show up here spouting your confused, incoherent dribble and hide behind facets of ordinary citizenship in order mask your agenda. You've been discredited before yet you persist.

It's also in the best interest of those in power which see the parade forming - that they try to get in front of it (to be the leader). Obama, Pelosi, and the others KNOW that they will only divide, diminish, and hurt OWS by associating with it.

Ok, so which is it then? They want to get into it and be the leader, or destroy it by association? You sound like you've been drinking, or heading for senility.

For the record, Nancy Pelosi supports them. Case closed.



You may wish to label me as "left" leaning.

Gee, how did you even anticipate that? Probably because you are. And you know it.

Well, you would be wrong. I am a conservative, probably more so than many here.

No, we're correct in our assumption. You're a leftist, statist, complete with all the confused "logic" and claptrap that resembles nothing of what constitutes that term. You are nothing remotely associated with conservatism.

I am Christian, I own a company, I am married, we've home schooled our children (one is returning this week from being Deployed in the Middle East) I have had family members die in combat, I own firearms and hunt. I love the this country.

Completely irrelevant. You'd love to see this country socialized.

If this is offensive I apologize in advance.

Instead of apologizing since you know its wrong and offensive in advance, just keep it to yourself next time, the nonsense and the feigned politeness.

Marklevinshow.com

BORNGEARHEAD
10-19-2011, 18:23
Marbles...lost.

mes228
10-19-2011, 18:50
G29reload, I am no more for socialism, or redistribution of wealth, than "Mark Levine" or Rush, or Boortz. Neither am I for false capitalism though, where the Banks and Corporations lose there butt gambling. Then expect the people to "re-capitalize" them. Using an analogy - "Go to Las Vegas and lose every dime you have gambling. Then go to the window and ask to be re-capitalized, and see what you are told".

When I said "there is no right or left - only citizens that have been abused". I'm not talking of ideology. I'm talking about the Citizens, all of them, being ROBBED and RAPED by criminal actions. They (left & right) are in the boat together. To draw an analogy that you may understand.

If you go to a Nursing Home, bash a 80 year old Grandmother in the face then steal half her retirement check. You are going to Jail for maybe 20 years. Between Bernanke, Geitner, Banks and Wall Street, there are millions of Retiree's that have lost half of their Retirement incomes to criminal activity. Yet no ones been prosecuted (don't think that Raj Rajratnam (spelling??) was anything but a Indonesian sacrificial lamb for the SEC).

Here in our town recently a lady was given 17 years for embezzling a few thousand from a retirement fund. Yet, most every Pension/Retirement fund in the country is so full of "crap" investments, that were known to be "crap" by the sellers, they are pretty much insolvent. Some entire cities and counties are bankrupt over these worthless investments. An analogy (once again borrowed) might be - "If I knowingly sold you a box of Chocolates that really was a box of dog feces, that would be a crime."

Yet none of the firms that sold these false investment instruments have been charged. In some cases they not only sold the "Known worthless investments" they then bought "insurance" knowing that they would fail. Citi bank was just fined $285 million for this. This is only a slap on the wrist, they made BILLIONS on these scams. As did Wachovia, which made billions running drugs and was fined $160 million. Not one person was charged for a crime. Lets see you run just a few thousand $$ of drugs and see if you don't go directly to jail, be fined thousands, and everything you own seized and sold. The point is, there are two Judicial Systems in this country. One for the Banks and Wall Street, and one for you. Only the one for you has real teeth. Please post when your Retirement System blows up, for it probably will.

G29Reload
10-19-2011, 19:51
I'm talking about the Citizens, all of them, being ROBBED and RAPED by criminal actions.


No, you're not. You stated that the OWS people were being smeared. Very little of what these people are about has anything to do with the matter you describe otherwise which is being handled by law enforcement.

The OWS is drawing support from Nazi's, Nancy Pelosi, the Iranians and Chinese, along with the American Communists, the leftist fifth column in this country and now a huge contingent of anti-semites.

Its just like you, and them, to use a problem already being handled otherwise. No amount of tap dancing, lying, obfuscation or chaff you want to shovel this way will cover up that radicals will use any excuse to march, poop on police cars, screw in the park and avoid a shower for month so they can scrream about what they don't have due to their own sloth and indolence.


They (left & right) are in the boat together.


No, they're not. The largest contributor to the problems was the dems and theyr'e they largest contingent of this mob of miscreants. Thats the usual dem copout, when they can no longer hide, its always, well, theyre all bad..

The RNC is not supporting the OWC scum.
None of the current crop of candidate is supporting the OWC scum
Rush Limbaugh is not supprting the OWC scum.

Just commies, anti-semites, leftists and some prime enemies of this country.

They "oh they all do it" smokescreen copout doenst fly here. Go back to dem underground or the daily KOS and sell crazy somewhere else. We're not fooled by the likes of you.

BORNGEARHEAD
10-19-2011, 21:30
My buddy Charlie says it very nicely. Just another guy who has served his country and continues to serve his country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m376mkdacKc&feature=feedu

mes228
10-20-2011, 04:48
G29reload, people that have been brainwashed, have no idea they have been. The Terrorist that attacked Mumbai, or those that blow themselves up - along with women and children, or kill teenagers on an island in Norway. All feel themselves as being of sound mind. However, most were taught, instructed and LEAD to where they ended. Mainly by propagandist. They served someone elses "best interest" not their own, nor their family, nor their countries. Yet they were sincere enough to die. Could the media be a means to lead Americans to embrace the goals of the very rich and powerful? Yes, I think OWS, thus far has been smeared by the media. OWS may not be a threat to you, it surely is to those that run the game. I don't think OWS is full of angels or perfect people. There seems to be an element of people just fed up with the injustices shoved down everyone's throat. Actually OWS is what the Tea Party started out being until the Republicans co-opted it. And got in front of the "parade" and acted as though they were leading it.

Rush Limbaugh's (and most all the radio propagandist) last contract was for 36 million dollars a year. His interest, his goals, his purposes may he honorable and above reproach. Or they may not be. I know that I personally have little in common with someone making 36 million a year. I doubt Rush would have a cup of coffee with me. I suspect he prefers the company of those with more power and a little more money. By the way, he makes 36 million a year for his ability to sway opinions, to motivate people, to inspire the masses. Just maybe it would be a good thing for you to mix other sources of information, rather than a steady diet of Talk Shows. Some people swallow propaganda hook line and sinker, and end up just being used. Just a thought. Take care and have a great day.

lawman800
10-20-2011, 08:57
Do you honestly think this is a pure movement that has no political and outside interference? With all the union and leftist groups openly joining and supporting the movement, thee is no parallel to the tea party.

mes228
10-20-2011, 10:36
Lawman, no I do not think that. EVERYONE is trying to influence, head, lead and orchestrate OWS. Anything to disarm the ground swell of fed up citizens. Some will probably be successful to a degree. It's surely not helpful for OWS to have Obama, Pelosi, even Barney Frank "support" OWS. That's no accident. Those in charge ie the monied interest in society are "attacking" OWS from all aspects. Especially with shills they "own".

There's an old political saying that "If you want to be a leader find a parade and get in front of it". In other language, find a "cause" that is forming among the people, and co-opt the movement. Look at what a pitiful thing the Tea Party has become. Great idea, I supported them early own as they wanted to end corrupting political contributions, corrupt politicians, prosecute Criminal Banksters, etc.. Then Rush and the Republicans got in front of the "parade" and co-opted the whole nine yards. It was no accident, IT WAS A PLAN that came together. Now the Tea Party is just a finger on the hand of the Republican Party. From real change, it's now just a voice piece on Republican talking points. Now the Democrats are trying to co-opt OWS, to own/control the movement. I have little hope that they won't succeed.

G29Reload
10-20-2011, 10:40
G29reload, people that have been brainwashed, have no idea they have been. The Terrorist that attacked Mumbai,

Can you possibly, ever stick to one subject without rambling on and changing the subject at random to irrelevancy? You continually discredit yourself not only with leftist diatribes, but your sheer inability to remain focused on anything.

mes228
10-20-2011, 12:39
Medication helps sometimes. It's quite clear what the problem is, to most that read this thread. I cannot make it more plain and I'm sorry you do not "get" it.
God Bless, and have a good day.

G29Reload
10-20-2011, 14:26
I'm sorry you do not "get" it.


Oh I get it all right.

Medication helps sometimes.

I see.

mes228
10-20-2011, 15:30
Glockreload No, I think you do not get it. The brainwashed comments were for you. The medication comment was for you. As some one else posted - you have lost your marbles.

G29Reload
10-20-2011, 22:58
Glockreload No, I think you do not get it. The brainwashed comments were for you. The medication comment was for you. As some one else posted - you have lost your marbles.

I'm not the one taking medication, and I can string two sentences together without rambling or changing subjects 3 times. I'm also not confused about what I am, nor apologize in advance as you have because I don't have a guilty conscience, and I don't spout leftist claptrap and masquerade as something I'm not. Your dissemblings are transparently phony, when they're not just bizzare and incoherent.

kirgi08
10-20-2011, 23:43
Let it be.'08.

UneasyRider
10-21-2011, 06:02
The road show for OWS is coming to Melbourne Florida about 40 minutes from me tonight (Friday) at 5. I think that I am going to take Jeannette out to dinner and go stand around with these idiots and see what kind of verbal trouble I can get in.

mes228
10-21-2011, 06:46
G29reload, it's your problem if you cannot concentrate enough to read. Or stay focused enough to follow along. And for your information, instead of voting the Constitutional Party as I did last year (That's the first non-Republican vote I've cast in my life and I'm 61) I am more and more thinking I'll vote Republican this year once again. I will write in Ron Paul if he's not on the ticket. I'm still sick of the Republican Party and all their candidates. I just see Ron Paul as the lesser of the evils presented. I rather like him in a lot of ways and he has been steadfast for many years.

UneasyRider
10-21-2011, 09:22
G29reload, it's your problem if you cannot concentrate enough to read. Or stay focused enough to follow along. And for your information, instead of voting the Constitutional Party as I did last year (That's the first non-Republican vote I've cast in my life and I'm 61) I am more and more thinking I'll vote Republican this year once again. I will write in Ron Paul if he's not on the ticket. I'm still sick of the Republican Party and all their candidates. I just see Ron Paul as the lesser of the evils presented. I rather like him in a lot of ways and he has been steadfast for many years.

With all due respect, so you are not voting.

Bolster
10-21-2011, 09:34
Back to the topic of the OWS Ragers, what I find interesting is that Wall Street is chock full of leftist liberals. Rich ones, but still leftists. (That's the extra little benefit for the top crust of liberalism...not only do you get to bray about equality, you get to be better than everyone else at the same time. "Let those people down there all be equal with each other.")

These investors come from the best ivy league propaganda machines. Here in California 2 out of every 3 financial investors appears to have Democrat sympathies, and I'd imagine the ratio is similar or even more extreme on the east coast. So in a way, OWS is the 'unwashed stinky left,' protesting the 'successful tea and crumpets financial left,' and the 'white house I think I mislaid my *ss do you know where it is' left. It's odd.

BORNGEARHEAD
10-21-2011, 11:12
Back to the topic of the OWS Ragers, what I find interesting is that Wall Street is chock full of leftist liberals. Rich ones, but still leftists. (That's the extra little benefit for the top crust of liberalism...not only do you get to bray about equality, you get to be better than everyone else at the same time. "Let those people down there all be equal with each other.")

These investors come from the best ivy league propaganda machines. Here in California 2 out of every 3 financial investors appears to have Democrat sympathies, and I'd imagine the ratio is similar or even more extreme on the east coast. So in a way, OWS is the 'unwashed stinky left,' protesting the 'successful tea and crumpets financial left,' and the 'white house I think I mislaid my *ss do you know where it is' left. It's odd.


Your full if shiat.

cowboy1964
10-21-2011, 12:38
Your full if shiat.

:faint:

Bolster
10-21-2011, 12:39
Your full if shiat.

Is this where the conversation has gone? Personal acrimony? I thought we were talking about ideologies, politics, popular movements, and their possible impact on our lives. Now we're talking about me as a person? If so, shouldn't we start a new thread, where you can trash me personally as a separate topic?

rwrjr
10-21-2011, 13:02
I find it strange that so many people here are mad at the "left" but continue to give the "right" a pass. In my book, there ain't much difference, a crook is a crook.

I believe a Republican will beat Obama next fall. I also think Repubs will keep the house and have a good shot at capturing the Senate. I truly hope they make a clean sweep of it so the generally conservative thinking folks will wake up and rid themselves of the Republican party. Time to take out the trash.

Bolster
10-21-2011, 13:14
I find it strange that so many people here are mad at the "left" but continue to give the "right" a pass. In my book, there ain't much difference, a crook is a crook.

Fair enough, but the topic of this thread is OWS and their potential threat, not the Tea Party or the Blue Blood Republicans. If people are uncomfortable with what the OWS is doing, why would they take this thread as an opportunity to trash the right? That would be for a Tea Party thread or an "I hate Republicans" thread.

By the way, love the quote in your sig line!!

rwrjr
10-21-2011, 13:27
Fair enough, but the topic of this thread is OWS and their potential threat, not the Tea Party or the Blue Blood Republicans. If people are uncomfortable with what the OWS is doing, why would they take this thread as an opportunity to trash the right? That would be for a Tea Party thread or an "I hate Republicans" thread.

By the way, love the quote in your sig line!!

I guess I'm calling out a double standard. This thread is indeed about OWS but many of the posts don't discuss the real issues. I'll leave it at that.

lawman800
10-22-2011, 00:12
Smoke and mirrors and deflection, things which politicians and liars all practice. That's all. Resume regular programing.

BORNGEARHEAD
10-23-2011, 13:01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOUU0wNatvY&feature=feedbul

jdavionic
10-24-2011, 11:09
Wow, leave a thread for bit and you can barely recognize it when you return.:rofl:

On this...
Do you honestly think this is a pure movement that has no political and outside interference? With all the union and leftist groups openly joining and supporting the movement, thee is no parallel to the tea party.

It's been amusing watching the struggle to organize this "movement" into something that people can identify with or champion as "the cause". Since the onset, it's been all over the place - abolish student loans to cheaper broccoli.

However the "great community organizer" and his minions have seized this issue as a potential opportunity, which is right out of their playbook. It helps serve as another outlet to facilitate class warfare...which Obama is relying on for re-election. Furthermore, I believe his supporters (or even puppetmasters, like Soros) are working hard to keep this afloat. In my state, someone "donated" a large sum of money to keep the "movement" going...which is used for food, etc.

If you sincerely believe that capitalism is wrong and must be stopped, how could you not throw gasoline on this smoldering flame? Obama has a long history of being a radical. This is perfect for him.

lawman800
10-24-2011, 12:08
Hey, if they are funding it, write off my student loans too. I won't complain there.

jdavionic
10-24-2011, 17:35
Hey, if they are funding it, write off my student loans too. I won't complain there.

Dang freeloader

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lawman800
10-24-2011, 20:27
I paid enough in taxes to pay off my loans more than once. If everyone is getting freebies, I wants mine too!

BORNGEARHEAD
10-24-2011, 20:44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDh_J4C3qug&feature=feedu

G29Reload
10-25-2011, 09:27
Interesting so far…the Occupy Down Several Blocks and Take a Left from Wall St has:

soiled a park with sanitary issues,
resulted in legal fees for those arrested
some attendees raped in their tent
theft of some attendees possessions, ipods, notebooks, etc
generated no legislation or regulations to remediate wrongs, real or perceived,
got some people on camera with Geraldo making fools of themselves
revealed the "movements" incoherence.

racerford
10-25-2011, 16:10
Interesting so far…the Occupy Down Several Blocks and Take a Left from Wall St has:

soiled a park with sanitary issues,
resulted in legal fees for those arrested
some attendees raped in their tent
theft of some attendees possessions, ipods, notebooks, etc
generated no legislation or regulations to remediate wrongs, real or perceived,
got some people on camera with Geraldo making fools of themselves
revealed the "movements" incoherence.

So are you saying they have achieved a lot more than you expected?

G29Reload
10-25-2011, 19:46
So are you saying they have achieved a lot more than you expected?

Less. I was hoping for an uncontrolled riot where the police line had to switch to live ammo. There could have been a body count and they've blown it so far. :shocked:

:upeyes:


:steamed::supergrin:

BORNGEARHEAD
10-25-2011, 22:31
Less. I was hoping for an uncontrolled riot where the police line had to switch to live ammo. There could have been a body count and they've blown it so far. :shocked:

:upeyes:


:steamed::supergrin:

Really? I suppose you call yourself a christian, too.

lawman800
10-26-2011, 00:18
Less. I was hoping for an uncontrolled riot where the police line had to switch to live ammo. There could have been a body count and they've blown it so far. :shocked:

:upeyes:

:steamed::supergrin:

Wouldn't put it past the dems in charge to stir something up and provoke a mass riot with deaths and wide scale unrest so they can declare martial law and suspend elections in time to prevent their inevitable loss in 2012.

UneasyRider
10-26-2011, 04:39
Wouldn't put it past the dems in charge to stir something up and provoke a mass riot with deaths and wide scale unrest so they can declare martial law and suspend elections in time to prevent their inevitable loss in 2012.

That's exactly where this is going to end up. They started this crap in Orlando but the cops just hauled off there crap last night. They all booed them but now they lost there stuff.

Florida is a great state, when a local sherrif was asked on the tv news why his deputies shot a man who killed a cop 156 times answered "Because they ran out of ammunition."

BORNGEARHEAD
10-26-2011, 20:39
An Open Message to the 99% (Occupy Wall Street)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myqffx8Mdg4&feature=feedu

G29Reload
10-26-2011, 23:27
Really? I suppose you call yourself a christian, too.


Sell your cloak and buy a sword..

kirgi08
10-27-2011, 01:19
Amen.'08.

rwrjr
10-27-2011, 12:17
An Open Message to the 99% (Occupy Wall Street)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myqffx8Mdg4&feature=feedu

I have to say that this guy hit it right on the head. TPTB have already created enough division that they're controlling the "solutions". Just read this and other threads. So called conservatives are throwing the baby out with the bathwater and playing their part as useful idiots in attacking the OWS movement instead of finding common ground and going after the common foe. Likewise the so called liberals or progressives, or whatever they call themselves these days play their part as useful idiots by calling reform minded people teabaggers and the like. TPTB will make sure that the right and the left keep on pissing on each other instead of focusing attention in their direction. Divide and conquer. It's worked since the dawn of man. If the right/left split doesn't work, they'll use black/white, rich/poor, religious/non-religious, or perhaps all of the above at the same time. We're all useful idiots to them and it's no surprise at what's happened and what's coming.

The only problem I have with OWS is that it should be OCH. That is Occupy Capitol Hill. Wall Street, the Fed, and the international banksters are the puppet masters but I think it would be much more effective to go after the puppets and cut the strings. The legislative and regulatory capture and corruption has to be identified, stopped, and then reversed.

G29Reload
10-27-2011, 15:58
So called conservatives are throwing the baby out with the bathwater and playing their part as useful idiots in attacking the OWS movement instead of finding common ground

We as conservatives will never have, nor want, common ground with these people who have received resounding approval from

-american communists,
-american nazis
-The Iranian government
-The communist chinese government
-raging anti-semites
-people preaching the destruction of capitalism.

By survey, more than a third of them want socialist anarchy, or violent overthrow.

No thank you. Every (mostly foulmouthed) interview with these people results in nothing but disjointed, incoherent diatribes. They cannot make or even follow topic-point-conclusion, and logic eludes them. One of their incoherent followers here even posits the nonsense that banks control the government instead of the other way around, or spouts the lunacy that I'm a communist when I'm the most anti communist alive.

Fortunately, winter is coming. Has already hit Denver and most will disperse.

I'll be inside watching football and sipping bourbon. They can suit themselves and freeze their balls off. Nothing they have or will do will result in anything changing anything.

rwrjr
10-27-2011, 17:54
We as conservatives will never have, nor want, common ground with these people who have received resounding approval from

-american communists,
-american nazis
-The Iranian government
-The communist chinese government
-raging anti-semites
-people preaching the destruction of capitalism.

By survey, more than a third of them want socialist anarchy, or violent overthrow.

No thank you. Every (mostly foulmouthed) interview with these people results in nothing but disjointed, incoherent diatribes. They cannot make or even follow topic-point-conclusion, and logic eludes them. One of their incoherent followers here even posits the nonsense that banks control the government instead of the other way around, or spouts the lunacy that I'm a communist when I'm the most anti communist alive.

Fortunately, winter is coming. Has already hit Denver and most will disperse.

I'll be inside watching football and sipping bourbon. They can suit themselves and freeze their balls off. Nothing they have or will do will result in anything changing anything.

You really sure about all that you wrote above? Nobody or nothing salvageable about anybody connected with OWS?

BORNGEARHEAD
10-27-2011, 18:13
See post #126.

Bolster
10-27-2011, 20:34
Nothing they have or will do will result in anything changing anything.

Hm, not sure about that...OWS is the Re-elect Obama Team. They've effected a lot of change since 2008. Another four years? You might be surprised what they'll accomplish--or not accomplish, as the case may be.

G29Reload
10-28-2011, 00:00
You really sure about all that you wrote above? Nobody or nothing salvageable about anybody connected with OWS?

Yes, I'm sure.

Nope. Not a single one thing connected with these ows rabble. Have not heard a single coherent or responsible idea, they are leaderless, on the surface anyway, the DNC and Soros are probably agitating and funding. They can't string two sentences together, have no coherent plan, and the lone list of "ideas" was that rambling diatribe presented a week or so back that was basically a list of WE WANT FREE EVERYTHING and complete extinguishment of all debt world wide and bunch of other looney demands, at which point all the OWS people promptly disavowed that list saying it was just one guy.

UNLIKE the Tea Party which arrived at an appointed time, showered and appropriately dressed, presented a game plan from a groundswell of popular support that included:
- returning unspent stimulus money
- defunding and dismantling Obama care
- a push for return to Constitutional principles
- restraint of government spending

-then went home in an orderly fashion. They did not require the drama of looking destitute in the park pooping in their own sleeping bags to make up for a dearth of ideas the way the OWS people do. Tea Party people had ideas, organization, politeness and a cohesive and lucid set of demands.

Not a coherent idea for the hateful, filthy, anti-Semitic leftist statist democrats and paid union agitators.

Lone specialty appears to be agitating the discontented, rallying the media for sound and fury, a gigantic "WE're PISSED OFF AT SOMETHING INVOLVING ANYONE WHO HAS MORE THAN US" and "DESTROY ANYONE WHO HAS MORE THAN US BECAUSE THEY MUST HAVE STOLEN IT FROM US EVEN THOUGH WE NEVER HAD ANYTHING" or something to that effect.

Latest is that people who decided to support the effort by providing food find that its doing nothing but attracting professional homeless types.

So, no, I nor the Tea party, nor anyone I know have a damn thing in common with these people, disavow everything about them down to the vermin they attract and have no common cause. Want nothing to do with them, that's like agreeing to compromise with a crazy person.

G29Reload
10-28-2011, 00:02
Hm, not sure about that...OWS is the Re-elect Obama Team. They've effected a lot of change since 2008. Another four years? You might be surprised what they'll accomplish--or not accomplish, as the case may be.

I can agree with that bolster. sound and fury, discontent to feed Obamas class warfare campaign, stand around and look pissed off and try and throw back the tear gas canisters since they were all personally tossed at them by George Bush. :upeyes:

lawman800
10-28-2011, 01:59
G29, very well written. I just don't comprehend why others can't see it. They are just so blinded by their faith in dear leader and the hope they wil get free stuff.

mes228
10-28-2011, 05:16
I've read near every post in this thread. I do not recall anyone supporting their "Dear Leader" ie Obamma. Nor do I recall any one being a "Democrat". I pretty much think that if you are a regular on a Gun Board you are not, overall, a "Liberal". The difference in posters comments seems to be "where do they get their information". Some mainly get it from radio and television, some obviously, mostly from Radio Talk Programs. Our media in the USA is not a "free" media. It's as controlled as "Pravada" ever was.

For example I've watched and listened diligently to see if anyone would cover Bank America shifting their Credit Default Swaps exposure to the FDIC (which is earth shaking REAL news). I've seen nada, zip, not a word. Not by anyone, not by Rush, Boortz, Hannity, Levine or Weiner (Savage). I do not believe in "conspiracies" but I do believe in "self-interest" motivating segments and groups. Well those that control & own our media, have a different "self interest" than the people listening and believing and saying rah!rah!

An example. Nothing gets on the air thats not "approved" by someone else. For example an ad during Super Bowl can cost millions of $$$$ for a few seconds. No one randomly spews info at that $$$ cost. Rush cost $36 million a year just in his contract. He is not "free" to say whatever he wishes. He has to serve "his" purpose. Does anyone here really believe that he's "free" or is not accountable to those that pay that amount? His "self interest" is to perpetuate a career, develope a following that he can "LEAD". Then lead them to a foregone "chosen" place in their minds and actions. That place is monitored AND CHOSEN by those that pay. Then he collect his money. Leading peoples minds to a certain place is his "stock in trade". As is Boortz, as is Hannity, as is Levine, as is Weiner. YOU, YOUR MINDS, YOUR ACTIONS, Your Feelings, ARE THE PRODUCT THESE PEOPLE ARE SELLING to those that control and pay them. I'd pretty much guess that some of the most hard, radical comments here flow from obtaining information from Talk Shows. Especially those spewed about OWS. Propaganda, and Propagandist are, generally speaking, an evil thing. And their work pretty much always ends badly (Germany, Rawanda, Argentina, several African countries, etc.etc.).

Ruble Noon
10-28-2011, 05:37
I've read near every post in this thread. I do not recall anyone supporting their "Dear Leader" ie Obamma. Nor do I recall any one being a "Democrat". I pretty much think that if you are a regular on a Gun Board you are not, overall, a "Liberal". The difference in posters comments seems to be "where do they get their information". Some mainly get it from radio and television, some obviously, mostly from Radio Talk Programs. Our media in the USA is not a "free" media. It's as controlled as "Pravada" ever was.

For example I've watched and listened diligently to see if anyone would cover Bank America shifting their Credit Default Swaps exposure to the FDIC (which is earth shaking REAL news). I've seen nada, zip, not a word. Not by anyone, not by Rush, Boortz, Hannity, Levine or Weiner (Savage). I do not believe in "conspiracies" but I do believe in "self-interest" motivating segments and groups. Well those that control & own our media, have a different "self interest" than the people listening and believing and saying rah!rah!

An example. Nothing gets on the air thats not "approved" by someone else. For example an ad during Super Bowl can cost millions of $$$$ for a few seconds. No one randomly spews info at that $$$ cost. Rush cost $36 million a year just in his contract. He is not "free" to say whatever he wishes. He has to serve "his" purpose. Does anyone here really believe that he's "free" or is not accountable to those that pay that amount? His "self interest" is to perpetuate a career, develope a following that he can "LEAD". Then lead them to a foregone "chosen" place in their minds and actions. That place is monitored AND CHOSEN by those that pay. Then he collect his money. Leading peoples minds to a certain place is his "stock in trade". As is Boortz, as is Hannity, as is Levine, as is Weiner. YOU, YOUR MINDS, YOUR ACTIONS, Your Feelings, ARE THE PRODUCT THESE PEOPLE ARE SELLING to those that control and pay them. I'd pretty much guess that some of the most hard, radical comments here flow from obtaining information from Talk Shows. Especially those spewed about OWS. Propaganda, and Propagandist are, generally speaking, an evil thing. And their work pretty much always ends badly (Germany, Rawanda, Argentina, several African countries, etc.etc.).

Beck covered it.

rwrjr
10-28-2011, 05:39
Yep mes228. They're playing their parts perfectly.

lawman800
10-28-2011, 07:53
Everyone is playing their parts accordingly, even us.

rwrjr
10-28-2011, 08:32
Everyone is playing their parts accordingly, even us.

Yes but to what end?

Bolster
10-28-2011, 09:31
Yes but to what end?

Why, to the ongoing immortality of this tread.

rwrjr
10-28-2011, 10:36
This will be my last post in this thread. Warning, kind of long post.

The discussion in this thread reminds me of something I observed during the 2004 election cycle. Howard Dean had jumped to the upper tier of Democrat candidates and was starting to look like he would power through to the nomination.

Let me interject that I have not and do not support Howard Dean. I disagree with his position on most issues and I went to my Congressman's town hall to vocally disagree with Dean's support of Obamacare two years ago when Dean was assisting my crooked, Democrat Representative to lobby for Obamacare. Dean has many socialist leanings which I am 100% opposed to. If I had to categorize myself, the closest label would be libertarian but not affiliated with any group.

Anyway, back to the story. Dean was on the rise and the new darling of the younger Democrats. He was the first to effectively use the internet for fundraising and more importantly for campaigning. Then suddenly we all heard about "The Scream". Virtually every single radio station was playing a very short sound bite of Dean's croaking scream and claiming or implying that he'd lost his marbles. Indeed the sound bite sounded strange but I wanted to see it in context. I went home that night, having heard the scream many times on the radio by then, and downloaded the video of the speech that contained the scream. See, Dean had just come in 2nd or 3rd in a primary and was trying to rally his troops for the next contest in CA. During his speech he got a little excited and his voice broke a little with the scream. Seen in context, "the scream" was a non-issue. The guy was trying to keep his people excited and engaged to continue the fight. So what I had really witnessed was a media hit job. There's really no other name for it. The media, in a rather coordinated fashion, took Dean down and ultimately out of the race.

And you see I repeatedly see these hit jobs every election cycle. The first was Ross Perot, then Ralph Nader. Whether you agree or disagree with their positions is irrelevant. If you were paying attention you would have noticed that both were taken out by the media. They were ostracised, excluded, ridiculed, or otherwise misrepresented. Never did I see a meaningful discussion of the positions they were pushing and how their positions differed from TPTB.

I also have witnessed organized media hit jobs on Pat Buchanan, Sarah Palin, Ron Paul, the Tea Party movement, and now OWS. Basically, any person or group that threatens/questions the status quo and the entrenched power brokers is systematically attacked until they are no longer a significant player. Never, NEVER, has there been any serious, in depth discussion or analysis of the issues or positions.

I disagree with Dean and Nadar on many, many issues. But I want to have real discussion of those issues. The American public is largely uninformed and ignorant and TPTB keep it that way. With a real give and take, back and forth discussion I think many left leaning people would see that their positions are ultimately not workable. Without serious discussion people just dig their heels in and continue to believe what they believe based on very limited information.

So now I watch with horrific fascination as the Tea Party and OWS movements are torn down while the elites keep an iron grip on the political process. In my opinion, there is no left or right. The elites have no fundamental guiding philosophy other than maintaining power at all costs. The current trajectory leads to open class warfare and once we hit that point the ability to discuss the issues will no longer be possible. Instead order will be imposed on all, left, right and everywhere in between. Then what?

G29Reload
10-28-2011, 12:27
I also have witnessed organized media hit jobs on ….
….the Tea Party movement, and now OWS.

The Differences Between OWS and the TP:

-------- OWS -------- TP

Days---- 40------- 990
Arrests- 2,511------ 0
Costs--- $2.4M------ 0
Rapes----- 6 ------- 0

Injured
Cops-----20 ---------0


Never, NEVER, has there been any serious, in depth discussion or analysis of the issues or positions.

Issues and positions; accomplishments.

Tea Party: Mass grass roots movement that changed an election with a new majority in the Congress, dethroning Nancy Pelosi, neutering Obama to prevent spread of any more malignant legislation and spending, halting us from going over a cliff and at the present day, blocking another wasteful stimulus of half a trillion dollars. Increased conservative bloc in Senate, poised for majority in next election.

OWS ? Not sure, but a lot of rage, envy and utter lack of realism. Some free dope and tofu, a few of them hooked up. Several stolen ipads but no matter since they were made by evil corporations.

So now I watch with horrific fascination as the Tea Party and OWS movements are torn down

PREMISE FAIL Seriously, spare us the melodrama.

-Tea Party alive and strong.

-OWS going nowhere of its own accord, won't miss it a bit, horrific fascination never enters into it. Disjointed mob without a mission, bent on violence. Good riddance, here comes that cold front. Oh the horror of it all.


In my opinion, there is no left or right.

Not paying attention, or not clear on the concept?

Bolster
10-28-2011, 12:41
Basically, any person or group that threatens/questions the status quo and the entrenched power brokers is systematically attacked until they are no longer a significant player.

Sorry that's your last post in this thread, it's a good one and thought provoking. I am in 100% agreement that the "Dean Scream" was absolutely nothing, overplayed to excess by whomever wanted him gone.

I do have a polite disagreement with your quoted statement above, however, since I can easily think of many personalities in various governments who threatened the "quo" and achieved power without much vetting. The most recent and prominent of which is our current president. He toppled the brawny Clinton machine and has been on something of a rampage ever since. I think of him as "High Plains Drifter," out to punish America for the evils he imagines of it. He has threatened all kinds of 'quos' and gotten by with it handily, as you can see by looking around at the ruin.

There's also the longing in many for whatever isn't, as demonstrated by OWS. To some people the status quo is perpetually bad and must be overthrown, because the road not traveled looks smooth. These perpetual revolutionaries, as Eric Hoffer describes them, are looking to make up personal deficits by swearing allegiance to world-altering ideologies (according to Hoffer). And we have accumulated many examples of where that leads.

That said, I do agree that various pols are targeted for destruction, and are sometimes destroyed on the flimsiest of evidence. I can't predict who does and doesn't get destroyed (beyond crude rules such as extreme conservatives will always be destroyed), but I think it's an order of magnitude more complicated than just who is challenging the status quo (if there even is just one status quo, as is often assumed).

I think much of the "who is destroyed" has to do with the relationship between the pol and the media, who are the titled destroyers. As an extreme example consider Rumsfeld, who openly mocked the media and made them look like fools. He *had* to be destroyed, regardless of whether his battle plans were wrong or right.

Anyway, don't leave, stick around. Thoughtful commentary is appreciated.

BORNGEARHEAD
10-28-2011, 20:07
Rush Limbaugh has old, white people scared to come outside their homes for christ sakes.

jdavionic
10-29-2011, 08:29
Rush Limbaugh has old, white people scared to come outside their homes for christ sakes.

Yes...because the elderly are incapable of thinking for themselves :upeyes: Please. There are lemmings that will follow Obama, Hannity, Rush, etc of all ages. However I find elderly are much wiser than the young people who are so arrogant to think they know it all.

Cavalry Doc
10-29-2011, 08:49
The Differences Between OWS and the TP:

-------- OWS -------- TP

Days---- 40------- 990
Arrests- 2,511------ 0
Costs--- $2.4M------ 0
Rapes----- 6 ------- 0



Issues and positions; accomplishments.

Tea Party: Mass grass roots movement that changed an election with a new majority in the Congress, dethroning Nancy Pelosi, neutering Obama to prevent spread of any more malignant legislation and spending, halting us from going over a cliff and at the present day, blocking another wasteful stimulus of half a trillion dollars. Increased conservative bloc in Senate, poised for majority in next election.

OWS ? Not sure, but a lot of rage, envy and utter lack of realism. Some free dope and tofu, a few of them hooked up. Several stolen ipads but no matter since they were made by evil corporations.



PREMISE FAIL Seriously, spare us the melodrama.

-Tea Party alive and strong.

-OWS going nowhere of its own accord, won't miss it a bit, horrific fascination never enters into it. Disjointed mob without a mission, bent on violence. Good riddance, here comes that cold front. Oh the horror of it all.




Not paying attention, or not clear on the concept?

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/applause1.gif

jdavionic
10-29-2011, 08:49
This whole occupy "movement" still consists of a conglomerate of individuals that are struggling for a cause to champion. You've got a president that continues to preach his desire to redistribute wealth and have people "pay their fair share". This is nothing new for him. However you have an economy that is terrible, people frustrated, and they are searching for something. What that "something" is depends on which OWS person is interviewed.

The press loves the attention...it gives them something to report that doesn't reflect negatively against their beloved Obama. Some people are attracted to the movement due to a desire to renew the 60s...why is beyond me. You've got a society that has been continuously groomed over MANY years (beyond Obama's term) to look toward the federal gov't as a solution for many problems - health care, feeding the poor, housing, etc.

This mindset goes way back. The idea of Americans being independent and being responsible for their own well being is almost gone. Government has expanded to a level now that many Americans think it's expected that we provide food stamps to the poor, have the fed involved in housing, etc. If your kid cannot afford lunches, the gov't must provide them. If you cannot get approved for mortgage, the gov't must intervene. If you cannot afford health care, the gov't must do so for you.

I see this "movement" as nothing more than a continued symptom of a larger problem...a gov't that has weened society off of any independence and self sufficiency by expanding the role of gov't into nearly every aspect of our lives. Eventually, this continued bloating of gov't will cause a collapse.

It cannot continue to expand indefinitely and I see no signs of a contraction on the horizon. Sure, there are some candidates running that are interested in making changes. However their changes are just the tip of the iceberg IF they get elected and IF they are able to actually get congress to work with them in facilitating the changes. I'm not optimistic for either. Heck, look at the republican front runners. Do you think Mitt "the twit" Romney is going to get us on the right path? This being the same guy that expanded the role of gov't in his own state with health care and an AWB.

No, I think a collapse is just a matter of time. Maybe 2 yrs, maybe 20 yrs. My crystal ball is not that clear. However I think it's impossible for us to continue down the current path indefinitely.

Bolster
10-29-2011, 09:28
I see this "movement" as nothing more than a continued symptom of a larger problem...a gov't that has weened society off of any independence and self sufficiency by expanding the role of gov't into nearly every aspect of our lives. Eventually, this continued bloating of gov't will cause a collapse.

Did you know that last year we hit the tipping point, where just about half the country (different numbers given, ranging from 47% to 51% in 2009 but it is being estimated over 50% for 2010) doesn't pay any federal income tax? So we're now at the point that the majority of people can vote themselves benefits without paying for them. The majority will soon have virtually no skin in the game.

And politicians can now get more votes by spending, than votes lost by burdening the remaining taxpayers more.

So, yeah, you can make an objective case that self-sufficiency is fading away. Half are now motivated to vote to supplement their income. A large portion (again estimates vary from 30-40%) of the population gets paid when taxes are due. Yep, 1/3 of our nation actually profits from tax season. (Ya think the OWS represents that 1/3? "Hey, we got your handout, and it's not enough!")

It cannot continue to expand indefinitely and I see no signs of a contraction on the horizon. Sure, there are some candidates running that are interested in making changes.

Easy to hope for/blame the politicians, but the hard truth, the problem is us, the population of the united states. We've deteriorated from a proud, strong, and thoughtful people, to a lazy, gullible, soft, emotive nation. Having a strong and successful America handed to us, softened us. Our great-grandparents would not recognize us as Americans. If they were alive today they'd gob-smack our grandparents, parents, and us. They'd say, "THIS is what you did with the legacy I left you?!"

jdavionic
10-29-2011, 09:53
Easy to hope for/blame the politicians, but the hard truth, the problem is us, the population of the united states.

I don't blame the politicians, exclusively. They got into power because of the population.

lawman800
10-29-2011, 10:30
The politicians are just seizing the human motivation to get freebies by promising freebies for votes. That's how the game works. Self sufficiency is for chumps.

jdavionic
10-29-2011, 12:17
The politicians are just seizing the human motivation to get freebies by promising freebies for votes. That's how the game works. Self sufficiency is for chumps.

Yes, the Romans just wanted more & more

lawman800
10-29-2011, 16:51
Did them in as it did every society that succumbed to it. But the progressives think they are smart enough to make it work this time even though history shows it to be a failed ideology.

BORNGEARHEAD
10-29-2011, 18:19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyBXWRyCNLM&feature=feedbul

Cavalry Doc
10-29-2011, 22:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyBXWRyCNLM&feature=feedbul

nice soundtrack

mes228
10-30-2011, 04:40
This guy helped put thousands of criminal Bankers in jail during the last financial crisis ie the Savings & Loan failures years ago. No ones gone to jail for this one which is 70 times worse. Very short video, His comments are interesting: http://market-ticker.org/

mes228
10-30-2011, 05:25
Some of the people posting in this thread are so damaged from their allegience to propaganda they can't see the forest for the trees. This is what we've become.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,793896,00.html

In my life I've created and owned three Corporations. One of which was an Advertising Agency. Some of our accounts were with the biggest companies around ie General Electric, Erickson, Greyson, etc.etc. So I have a small amount of knowledge on how media works. All the media whores (propagandist) have a story to tell, a convincing story. Crafted to fit what you "need" to hear to be moved, motivated, and illicit a response. Some here are as programed as Pavolov's dog by them. I guess in the end, as a nation, we will get what the "people want" and demand. Maybe it's what we deserve. It's a shame that others create that "want" within the people, to their own hurt. Those at the top will stop at nothing to stay there and they could care less about where you, and your family, end up. It's all about the top 1/100 percent of the wealthiest people. Just my opinion and I too am through with this thread. God Bless you all and have a great day.

barbedwiresmile
10-30-2011, 11:07
The politicians are just seizing the human motivation to get freebies by promising freebies for votes. That's how the game works. Self sufficiency is for chumps.

That's one dynamic in play. But do your brethren not enforce laws against self-sufficiency?

Cavalry Doc
10-30-2011, 12:00
Some of the people posting in this thread are so damaged from their allegience to propaganda they can't see the forest for the trees. This is what we've become.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,793896,00.html

In my life I've created and owned three Corporations. One of which was an Advertising Agency. Some of our accounts were with the biggest companies around ie General Electric, Erickson, Greyson, etc.etc. So I have a small amount of knowledge on how media works. All the media whores (propagandist) have a story to tell, a convincing story. Crafted to fit what you "need" to hear to be moved, motivated, and illicit a response. Some here are as programed as Pavolov's dog by them. I guess in the end, as a nation, we will get what the "people want" and demand. Maybe it's what we deserve. It's a shame that others create that "want" within the people, to their own hurt. Those at the top will stop at nothing to stay there and they could care less about where you, and your family, end up. It's all about the top 1/100 percent of the wealthiest people. Just my opinion and I too am through with this thread. God Bless you all and have a great day.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/sheeple.png

:rofl:

jdavionic
10-30-2011, 19:23
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/sheeple.png

:rofl:

Now that's funny...and exactly what I think reading his posts.:rofl:

Bren
10-31-2011, 04:38
Yes...because the elderly are incapable of thinking for themselves :upeyes: Please. There are lemmings that will follow Obama, Hannity, Rush, etc of all ages. However I find elderly are much wiser than the young people who are so arrogant to think they know it all.

That is a good point. Barring mental disease, no matter how stupid somebody may be when they get older, they started out an even stupider young person.

Bren
10-31-2011, 04:40
The Differences Between OWS and the TP:

-------- OWS -------- TP

Days---- 40------- 990
Arrests- 2,511------ 0
Costs--- $2.4M------ 0
Rapes----- 6 ------- 0

Injured
Cops-----20 ---------0



Issues and positions; accomplishments.

Tea Party: Mass grass roots movement that changed an election with a new majority in the Congress, dethroning Nancy Pelosi, neutering Obama to prevent spread of any more malignant legislation and spending, halting us from going over a cliff and at the present day, blocking another wasteful stimulus of half a trillion dollars. Increased conservative bloc in Senate, poised for majority in next election.

OWS ? Not sure, but a lot of rage, envy and utter lack of realism. Some free dope and tofu, a few of them hooked up. Several stolen ipads but no matter since they were made by evil corporations.



PREMISE FAIL Seriously, spare us the melodrama.

-Tea Party alive and strong.

-OWS going nowhere of its own accord, won't miss it a bit, horrific fascination never enters into it. Disjointed mob without a mission, bent on violence. Good riddance, here comes that cold front. Oh the horror of it all.




Not paying attention, or not clear on the concept?

Good post. Thanks for injecting common sense, even if it will go to waste.

lawman800
10-31-2011, 18:46
That's one dynamic in play. But do your brethren not enforce laws against self-sufficiency?

Such as? I am a local cop. I enforce state laws in the penal code. I have nothing to do with revenues and welfare and section 8 housing.

Bolster
11-18-2011, 09:55
Public Policy Polling:

The Occupy Wall Street movement is not wearing well with voters across the country. Only 33% now say that they are supportive of its goals, compared to 45% who say they oppose them. That represents an 11 point shift in the wrong direction for the movement’s support compared to a month ago when 35% of voters said they supported it and 36% were opposed. Most notably independents have gone from supporting Occupy Wall Street’s goals 39/34, to opposing them 34/42.

Voters don’t care for the Tea Party either, with 42% saying they support its goals to 45% opposed. But asked whether they have a higher opinion of the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street movement the Tea Party wins out 43-37, representing a flip from last month when Occupy Wall Street won out 40-37 on that question. Again the movement with independents is notable- from preferring Occupy Wall Street 43-34, to siding with the Tea Party 44-40.

Huh. Guess the OWS rape, riots, murder, arson, lice, and pooping in public weren't so compelling after all...even in the absence of the media's ongoing commentary of "how they're creating a climate of fear," which was the endless media loop played in the background during tea party coverage.

Next job for the media: How to make the OWS white house shooter (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/dc-shooting-suspect-could-be-threat-to-obama-police-say/) look like he belonged to the Tea Party instead. Or just bury the story so deep nobody hears of it.

Yeah, he wasn't really even an OWSer, he was just "blending in with" OWS. In fact he just used OWS as cover. Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket. Just a random nutcase with an assault rifle shooting at the white house, nothing at all to do with OWS. Nothing to see here, folks! Please move along. (Unless we can find a Tea Party connection, then we will require your undivided attention.)

Can you imagine the headlines if a tea partier had shot at the white house...with an assault rifle? D'ya think anyone would be saying the shooter was a random nutjob unconnected with the Tea Party? Think you'd have to dig to find the story on page 37?

Bilbo Bagins
11-18-2011, 10:03
Public Policy Polling:

The Occupy Wall Street movement is not wearing well with voters across the country. Only 33% now say that they are supportive of its goals, compared to 45% who say they oppose them. That represents an 11 point shift in the wrong direction for the movement’s support compared to a month ago when 35% of voters said they supported it and 36% were opposed. Most notably independents have gone from supporting Occupy Wall Street’s goals 39/34, to opposing them 34/42.

Voters don’t care for the Tea Party either, with 42% saying they support its goals to 45% opposed. But asked whether they have a higher opinion of the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street movement the Tea Party wins out 43-37, representing a flip from last month when Occupy Wall Street won out 40-37 on that question. Again the movement with independents is notable- from preferring Occupy Wall Street 43-34, to siding with the Tea Party 44-40.

Huh. Guess the OWS rape, riots, murder, arson, lice, and pooping in public weren't so compelling after all...even in the absence of the media's ongoing commentary of "how they're creating a climate of fear," which was the endless media loop played for the tea party.

Next job for the media: How to make the OWS white house shooter (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/dc-shooting-suspect-could-be-threat-to-obama-police-say/) look like he belonged to the Tea Party instead. Or just bury the story so deep nobody hears of it.

Was it every proven that the shooter was a member of the Occupy DC movement, or that the camp was searched since it would be a prime hiding spot.

Bolster
11-18-2011, 10:12
Was it every proven that the shooter was a member of the Occupy DC movement, or that the camp was searched since it would be a prime hiding spot.

No, the shooter had nothing whatsoever to do with OWS. Read any mainstream media coverage and you'll find that OWS was completely exonerated. The shooter was apparently only "blending in" with OWS. Big difference. If you are attacking rich fat cats, you are part of OWS. If you do something violent, you are only "blending in" with OWS, and not affiliated in any way. In fact, you are probably a tea partier, then.

See how it works?

(PS: How would you prove anybody was a member of the OWS movement? Are they issuing ID cards?)

lawman800
11-18-2011, 11:54
They would issue ID cards but it would cost $5. Hey, materials cost money.

G29Reload
11-18-2011, 14:31
No, the shooter had nothing whatsoever to do with OWS. Read any mainstream media coverage and you'll find that OWS was completely exonerated. The shooter was apparently only "blending in" with OWS. Big difference. If you are attacking rich fat cats, you are part of OWS. If you do something violent, you are only "blending in" with OWS, and not affiliated in any way. See how it works?

(PS: How would you prove anybody was a member of the OWS movement? Are they issuing ID cards?)

The small problem with that is video surfaced of an OWS "leader" in San Diego asking for a moment of silence for the WH shooter. Saw it on FoxNews last night. Deny Fail. One.Of.Them.

lawman800
11-18-2011, 14:39
That video will never make it out to any media outlet and even if it does, it will be decried as a fake made by tea partiers.

G29Reload
11-18-2011, 15:04
That video will never make it out to any media outlet and even if it does, it will be decried as a fake made by tea partiers.

Just said, saw it on Fox NEws.

They probably thought the same about the firebomb guy that got arrested. They really are clueless, even about their own lawlessness. Opsec what? :rofl:

Yeah, I'll just incite felony arson on a street corner with vidcams everywhere and we'll just organize and pull it off from there.

Occupy Cell.

lawman800
11-18-2011, 19:12
Clueless tards. Now they are mad that jay-z is making money off them. Capitalism at its best!

BORNGEARHEAD
11-20-2011, 20:18
Joe Rogan on OWS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1NwLcik2JA

Bren
11-21-2011, 06:22
No, the shooter had nothing whatsoever to do with OWS. Read any mainstream media coverage and you'll find that OWS was completely exonerated. The shooter was apparently only "blending in" with OWS. Big difference. If you are attacking rich fat cats, you are part of OWS. If you do something violent, you are only "blending in" with OWS, and not affiliated in any way. In fact, you are probably a tea partier, then.

See how it works?

(PS: How would you prove anybody was a member of the OWS movement? Are they issuing ID cards?)

So he claimed OWS and at least some of their leaders claimed him, but since he did something you think was bad, he "had nothing whatsoever to do with OWS." Next up, the KKK are not christians...because some guy said so ... and they're bad.

Unfortunately, this is a typical reaction, often used by religious groups. If a person does something bad, you just say "he wasn't really one of us." That means, with all of the bad members eliminated, your group is good. It also means you aren't in touch with reality.

mes228
11-21-2011, 08:08
Just curious, what makes you think that ANY media, radio (especially) or television has ANY interest in telling you the truth?? It's near 100% intended to manage your thinking. Pretty much by making you outraged and upset by the pseudo clips aired or commented on. No one pays multiple millions of $$$$ so you can have "truth". No, their desire is to sway people's thinking to something akin to where they want them to go. If propaganda is not stopped, those that are mentally and emotionally "in tune" to receive it become pawns in a bigger story. I suggest that you not be the idiot that lets someone in the media influence you. Especially to hate fellow Americans instead of the criminals funding the propaganda.

G29Reload
11-21-2011, 14:28
Especially to hate fellow Americans instead of the criminals funding the propaganda.

If some ****** bag, on camera attempts to incite his fellow ****** bags to firebomb Macy's on TG week, trust me, we hate him whether you propagandists like it or not, and everyone with him and whoever supports him. No apology either.

lawman800
11-21-2011, 14:40
If any *********s firebombs a major department store before Black Friday, woe be onto him and his descendants as bargain hunters tear him limb from limb.

kirgi08
11-21-2011, 15:01
:animlol:

mes228
11-21-2011, 15:54
Hey, idiot boy that worships those that lie. I heard Rush today connect Spain's economic woes with Obama and "green" policies. Usually his shtick is "it was the "peoples" fault that borrowed more than they could pay back". Or "Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac" or "Government Regulations" that forced banks to do this or that (paraphrased - not literal) or "Liberals".

Well the economic tragedy unfolding is WORLDWIDE. The citizens here (of any Party or Persuasion), or Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, or our misguided Banking rules do not extend across oceans and national borders. To Greece, Spain, Italy, etc.etc.etc. Well what does extend across these boundaries that could have caused a world wide crisis? The answer is Banking & Wall Street, along with the Financial Instruments THEY created etc.etc.

The truth is the criminals on Wall Street blew the whole world up with these instruments. Not the American working people, or "Green Policies", or the Sierra Club, or Environmentalist (not that any of these are good for the nation. But that's another story). It takes a brain washed idiot to believe the "scapegoating" going on. The theme is "Blame anyone and everyone except the CRIMINALS that did this". But you see, those that did the crime, own the time - ie the time in the media to spread propaganda. And the means to pay for it. Along with the spokes people on air to guide your thoughts and emotions. The last thing on earth THEY want is for you to be told the truth. Who told you to hate OWS - why it was the magical speaking box that guided you to that mental place.

Bren
11-22-2011, 07:05
Hey, idiot boy that worships those that lie. I heard Rush today connect Spain's economic woes with Obama and "green" policies. Usually his shtick is "it was the "peoples" fault that borrowed more than they could pay back". Or "Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac" or "Government Regulations" that forced banks to do this or that (paraphrased - not literal) or "Liberals".

Well the economic tragedy unfolding is WORLDWIDE. The citizens here (of any Party or Persuasion), or Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, or our misguided Banking rules do not extend across oceans and national borders. To Greece, Spain, Italy, etc.etc.etc. Well what does extend across these boundaries that could have caused a world wide crisis? The answer is Banking & Wall Street, along with the Financial Instruments THEY created etc.etc.

The truth is the criminals on Wall Street blew the whole world up with these instruments. Not the American working people, or "Green Policies", or the Sierra Club, or Environmentalist (not that any of these are good for the nation. But that's another story). It takes a brain washed idiot to believe the "scapegoating" going on. The theme is "Blame anyone and everyone except the CRIMINALS that did this". But you see, those that did the crime, own the time - ie the time in the media to spread propaganda. And the means to pay for it. Along with the spokes people on air to guide your thoughts and emotions. The last thing on earth THEY want is for you to be told the truth. Who told you to hate OWS - why it was the magical speaking box that guided you to that mental place.

All you've proven is that you know less than you should have learned in junior high school about economics. This is, start to finish, a complete nonsense post.

G29Reload
11-22-2011, 08:15
Hey, idiot boy


:upeyes:

Who told you to hate OWS - why it was the magical speaking box that guided you to that mental place.

Nothing magic about video and what I see with my own two eyes. So they're anarchists and you support them, like the guy who was ranting about firebombing Macy's on TG week. You're not gonna get anyone here on the crazy train with you. So your false flag is completely revealed, now you'll spout off in denial because you'll falsely claim to be a conservative with a wife 2 kids and picket fence as if anyone ever bought that line. Instead, you're really a mentally ill refugee from DU...

lawman800
11-22-2011, 12:28
Scary thing is, there are enough libs out there who believe in their own bull enough that they think they are the mainstream ones and we're the nuts.

mes228
11-22-2011, 14:18
Well, if you bought the "big lie" that being against crime on "Wall Street" makes you anti-capitalist, then you are nuts. In case you haven't noticed "Wall Street" has put many real "Capitalist" out of business. Small business is hurting pretty much nation wide. I see it in my business everyday. If you were a capitalist you would probably see it in your business. I suspect some here just talk "capitalism" and are actually retired Government/Military/GSA workers. Not that there's anything with that at all. Just so you understand I use the term "Wall Street" to encompass the BBB's (Banks, Brokerages & the Bastard Companies sending operations overseas).

G29, I do not, never have, and never will support Anarchist or violence or crime. I do think that years ago CRIMINALS in Banking and on Wall Street should have been punished. But then I think rapist and child molesters should be punished too. Just how big a crime is it to blow up the economic system of the whole world?? Pretty big I suspect, however you wouldn't know it by "jail time served". I do support most average Americans fed up with crimes on Wall Street. I do support those peoples right to Freedom of Speech and Assembly. And they can assemble for as long as it takes for Government to start prosecuting the CRIMES in Banking and on Wall Street. Seems to me most of the people assembling are smart, college educated, young people that need jobs (that's the future of this country you see in the streets). Along with some mature people that have lost careers and homes. The "Anarchist" seem to be a small fringe group and not OWS at all. Theres some evidence that the Anarchist may even be a staged element. It's way more evil for the propagandist to smear, label, defame, and lie about OWS than it is to protest. It's nothing less than "Goebbels" and the Nazi story all over again. Only instead of Jews it's OWS, those listening are being moved to hate.

quake
11-22-2011, 15:05
...Small business is hurting pretty much nation wide. I see it in my business everyday. If you were a capitalist you would probably see it in your business...

As a business owner, this I agree with completely. Thing is, it's not goldman-sachs, lehman, or EF Hutton that's squeezing me; it's taxes and regulations, and those come only from the govt, not from any wall-streeter.

Now, I concur that there's a lot of interbreeding between wall-streeters and politicians that there shouldn't be. But when it's all distilled down, only the politicians can take by force what is mine; nobody on wall street can do that to me. Only the govt can. The wall-streeters can lobby the politicians, they can bribe the politicians, they can squeeze, cajole, and even threaten politicians, to try and get what they want. But ONLY the govt can decide whether or not to grant it to them. Period. Ever.

If you bribe an employee of mine to steal from me and he does it, it's the employee who is most guilty, most evil, and most my enemy. The wall-streeters may be the ones with the bribes, but it's the government that's the backstabbing employee.

As far as wall-street fraud and theft, I actually agree with you that that's a real issue too. Thing is, it's the government's job to prosecute fraud and theft. Committing fraud & theft is the guilt of frauds and thieves. Choosing to not prosecute fraud and theft, is guilt on the part of those tasked with - and paid for - doing so; once again, the government.

Problem with Halliburton's actions on govt contracts? It's the govt that grants those contracts.

Problem with wall street taking bailouts? It's the govt that gave them those bailouts.

Problem with "CRIMINALS in Banking and on Wall Street should have been punished" as you describe it..? It's the govt that is tasked with doing exactly what you say you want done, and they choose to aid & abet rather than prosecute.

Serious question - unlees you can show me where I'm wrong in the above, why do you not rail against the govt as much as against wall street?

mes228
11-22-2011, 15:22
Quake, I agree 100% with your post. Wall Street and our Government are the same thing in many respects. We have the best government that money can buy - and they are all bought. That's why Obamma the FBI, SEC, etc.etc. ad nauseaum will not prosecute any of the crimes. Look at who they did prosecute. Out of all the huge illegal crimes and criminals - they caught one Indonesian ie RajRatnam (that had sacrificial Lamb written all over it). Government is mainly purchased by the BBB's. From "Insider Trading" to "Revolving Door Jobs" I am sick of them all. Also sick of the lobbyist that pay them. Somewhere along the line government stopped being "for the People" and is now "for the $$$$$$$".

G29Reload
11-22-2011, 16:51
Well, if you bought the "big lie" that being against crime on "Wall Street"

They're not protesting crime on wall street. They're protesting capitalism, with Wall street being its biggest symbol.


G29, I do not, never have, and never will support Anarchist or violence or crime.

You do here, all the time, supporting the OWS crowd. They're an unwashed anticapitalist mob, raping and thieving scum, on camera daily engaging in vagrancy till they get pepper sprayed and removed, backed by the scumiest of the left wing, and you come here and defend them with your BIG LIE, NOTHING TO SEE HERE PEOPLE JUST MOVE ALONG and all the "they're just misunderstood, you're watching the wrong TV station" nonsense, AS IF anyone with two eyes in their head is fooled by your clown show. You act as though we're idiots and can't think for ourselves when the situation is obvious. You've done nothing but stir up trouble here, go off topic, change direction in mid sentence like a mental patient while spewing all the DU/MSNBC talking points of the anarchist left while trying to maintain credibility by claiming you're something else.

The "Anarchist" seem to be a small fringe group and not OWS at all.

See?

Obviously they're a major component.

some evidence that the Anarchist may even be a staged element.

No evidence at all, and nothing staged about firebombing.

It's way more evil for the propagandist to smear, label, defame, and lie about OWS than it is to protest. It's nothing less than "Goebbels" and the Nazi story all over again. Only instead of Jews it's OWS, those listening are being moved to hate.

See? Viciously defending OWS at any cost.

The small problem with your idiotic argument is that it doesnt even matter whether or not other elements mixed in. NOTHING GOOD has been stated, or become of ANY arguments espoused, illiterate signs raised or carried, and the ENTIRE message from start to finish has been hateful, criminal, ill informed and wrong. It's not like there were a few good and some bad messages, it ALL sucked.

And you're not fooling anyone. You're either unbalanced as your writings and ranting suggest, or you're a plant. YOu don't belong here pissing on a survival forum.

quake
11-22-2011, 19:40
Quake, I agree 100% with your post...

Then, not to belabor the point, but just to nail it down, would you agree that government, not bankers and not wall street, but government, is ultimately responsible?

Bolster
11-22-2011, 19:47
Somewhere along the line government stopped being "for the People" and is now "for the $$$$$$$".

Governments universally are "for the money." It's a gross misconception to think otherwise. It's also a fundamental misunderstanding of U.S. history to think we were somehow different in the past. Show me any government that doesn't cater toward the powerful/rich/ruling class. Communist Russia, you say? Think again. In USSR, you truly had an untouchable "ruling class" and then there was "everybody else." They had some of the largest disparities between rulers and ruled in modern times.

Think Anarchy would solve the inequity problem? For a week or two, maybe. Then people would demand order, a ruling class would emerge, and the cycle would start all over again.

Truth be told, nobody's going to turn over the reins of government to guys like you, Mes. They tried that once at the French Revolution and it didn't go so good. Rich people make jobs. Poor people don't. Give the class warfare theme a break, or go join Obama's re-election team and become an official propagandist.

For what it's worth, I'm poor. But I don't hate rich people because I am. The class-warfare line just has no resonance for me. I would have made a lousy Bolshevik.

...instead of Jews it's OWS, those listening are being moved to hate.

Deranged thinking to draw any sort of association there. Jews were a minority in Germany, and are in the Middle East. OWS is the self-proclaimed 99% majority. Jews have long been the target of hatred. OWS are the angry haters...that's why they called their camp-out "Days of Rage." They didn't call it "Days of Peaceful Protest."

G29Reload
11-22-2011, 20:13
OWS are the angry haters...that's why they called their camp-out "Days of Rage." They didn't call it "Days of Peaceful Protest."

Nice catch. Great observation.

lawman800
11-23-2011, 00:41
I had to sell a profitable business because the government stepped in to buy up the market supply of raw materials and then rationed us on what we can get from our own suppliers... driving my costs up beyond what would be profitable at my operating parameters. After a year or two, with my margins being cut down to about 1/5 pre-government levels, I decided to throw in the towel.

At the peak, I had 10-12 employees on the floor and 2 full time skilled specialists, along with part time accounting and marketing people. Not to mention the rental revenue for the business property along with all the shipping business and sales taxes I was generating. All gone.

mes228
11-23-2011, 05:59
I can agree with every thing written about Government. The Regulations, Taxes, Fees, and paperwork have grown incredibly. Both Business and Margins are down, my cost are up....... way up. I think there are much too many impediments to doing business. Also seems to me that some of the Regulatory Agencies have been "captured" and serve those they regulate.

As for OWS, I think everyone should be outraged about Wall Street. The phrase "stop the looting, start the Prosecuting" pretty much sums up my opinion. Nothing will ever improve until there is a restoration of the rule of law. The biggest theft in History has taken place. Our economy and citizens have been robbed, scammed, and blown up economically by the few at the top. None have been prosecuted. China handles the problem some what sterner http://www.thechinamoneyreport.com/2011/11/10/chinese-fund-managers-sentenced-to-death-after-cheating-investors-out-of-1-billion-usd/

Humorous fact on just how stupid Government and Regulation can become http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/11/eu-bans-claim-drinking-water-can.html

mes228
11-23-2011, 08:19
We all should be enraged today. Current developments in Europe may be once again reaching into your pocket books. Europe says from now on the IMF is to be the provider of "Bail Out" &." Back Stopping" the Banks. Well guess who the largest contributor to the IMF is? It's U, as in USA. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/uncle-sam-rescue-imf-creates-new-european-bail-out-facility

G29Reload
11-23-2011, 14:36
As for OWS, I think everyone should be outraged about Wall Street.

Actually, Wall St does what government allows it. If the law has been broken, call the cops. Otherwise Wall st is doing what its designed to do, facilitate capitalism, which is a good thing. Go, Wall St!

Lefty gov shills like barney FRank and chris Dodd should be in the same cell with Clinton toady Franklin Raines. Though Frank would probably enjoy it if one of the other two were on top.

We should all be outraged about government and the leftist control of it.

The biggest theft in History has taken place.

Ah, the madoff case. Yes, we're familiar with it. What about it?

Our economy and citizens have been robbed, scammed, and blown up economically by the few at the top. None have been prosecuted.

Um, no. Fail, actually. Bernie is sitting in a prison cell in Butner, NC. It appears the system actually works. And Raj Rajratnam, the inside trader who made millions of dollars, just got 30 or 40 years in the clink AND has to pay it all back!

Quite a few get caught and prosecuted, that's a long way from "none" which is OBVIOUSLY a Goebbels-like lie, false information apparently disseminated to purposely mislead. In fact if you behaved that way as a broker, like in the above two cases, you'd be behind bars. Aren't you ashamed of yourself? How can you live with yourself spreading such malicious demonstrably false nonsense?

China handles the problem some what sterner http://www.thechinamoneyreport.com/2011/11/10/chinese-fund-managers-sentenced-to-death-after-cheating-investors-out-of-1-billion-usd/

Yes, we know you're a Mao-worshiping leftist, replete with your despising capitalism and urging its destruction starting with violent anarchists in the street while holding up China as a better example of how to live. I, like many here wish you would go live in China where its soooo much better, I mean what are you waiting for?

mes228
11-23-2011, 15:53
G29 A while back, I have to admit, I was miffed at your endless tirades against me. And I responded in kind, harsher than I should have. You apparently can't help it, so I forgive you. I honestly grinned at your last post. No I've not been to China, nor do I worship Mao, nor am I anti-capitalist as "I ARE ONE" (grin). I was just pointing out the severity that China is meting out to economic criminals. And RajRatman, in my opinion, was a sacrificial lamb for the Regulating Authorities. Trying to re-gain some respectability and pacify some of the anger against their non enforcement of regulations. He was a small fish, non-Jewish, and his former employer (Goldman Sachs) testified against him. Madoff went to jail, because the ultimate crime is for a Jew to crook fellow Jewish Clients. I could list a bunch Wall Street people I think should go to Jail. Unfortunately most all are Jewish and you would accuse me of being Anti-Semitic -so I won't. Here's some good information by Bill Black http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=198032

What is "DU" you've accused me of it before? The only "DU" I know of is "Ducks Unlimited" and I have had several firearms over the years labeled as such.

I hope you, and others here, have a Great Thanksgiving and a Merry Christmas!! I hope we all can enjoy the time we have left, with our families. Whether from Economic Collapse or just growing older, time waits for none of us.