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ULVER
09-01-2011, 15:51
Very tragic...:crying: If the initial reports are true, this was not just an accident, but a truly needless one.

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/local_news/GBI-Probes-Probation-Officer%27s-Death-20110901-am-sd

collim1
09-01-2011, 17:45
Very tragic.

Our firearms instructor and I took some of our agency's old issued Smith mod66's out to the range a few weeks ago. He had the hammer cocked back without realizing it, and attempted to open the cylinder latch. The gun fired a .357mag round downrange!

Obviously the gun had been home-gunsmithed at some point and has a push off issue, but luckily it was pointed downrange at the time. Honestly though my guess is it was ND, but I was right next to him watching, because empty brass was sticking in the chamber so we were testing the gun out. I was not able to re-create the AD.

The rules are there for a reason. This is a tragic situation, and I feel as badly for the instructor as I do the family of the fallen officer.

We were trying to find a decent revolver to send with the guys going to the firearms instructor certification.

Glockdude1
09-01-2011, 17:53
:fallenofficer:

Dexters
09-01-2011, 17:56
has a push off issue,

What is a push off issue?

CJStudent
09-01-2011, 18:05
:fallenofficer:

ULVER
09-01-2011, 18:43
In the video, the reporter claims the instructor was having a conversation with her. He say to her, "it could happen this fast", and then pulled his weapon and shot her. :shocked:

Just bizarre...

OXCOPS
09-01-2011, 19:03
That's why any class related to firearms of any kind must require an officer to unload and lock the slide back prior to entering the room. All live ammo stays outside the classroom. No exceptions.

Then, each weapon is checked for safety by TWO staff (not counting the officer).

Better yet, don't take the real weapons into the firearms classroom unless they are absolutely necessary.

Mayhem like Me
09-01-2011, 19:53
better yet, don't take the real weapons into the firearms classroom unless they are absolutely necessary.

this and thy were not necessary ..

GPalmer
09-01-2011, 23:10
Very sad. :sadangel:

HoldHard
09-02-2011, 10:08
GodSpeed Tiffany.... Much to young to die. Prayers to the family, friends and co-workers.

HH

Dragoon44
09-02-2011, 10:57
absolutely no excuse, sounds to me more like Negligent homicide instead of "accident".

Patchman
09-02-2011, 11:17
Damned shame. Agreed there's absolutely no excuse for this.

collim1
09-02-2011, 11:21
What is a push off issue?

Damaged or tampered with internal lockwork where the hammer can fall without the trigger being pulled.

merlynusn
09-02-2011, 12:21
:fallenofficer:

Ajon412
09-02-2011, 13:16
So sad.....:sigh:......:fallenofficer:

mrsurfboard
09-02-2011, 13:23
Tragic indeed. That's why they make those rubber training guns.

RussP
09-02-2011, 15:48
http://glocktalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=218773&stc=1&d=1315152271

Prayers...

Hack
09-02-2011, 16:04
:fallenofficer:

GeorgiaRedfish
09-02-2011, 16:05
This girl was attending my college, and all my professors knew her. She was a very great person, and very smart. Very sad.

MeefZah
09-02-2011, 16:16
RIP sister.

Beautiful woman.

Roering
09-02-2011, 16:40
In the video, the reporter claims the instructor was having a conversation with her. He say to her, "it could happen this fast", and then pulled his weapon and shot her. :shocked:

Just bizarre...

If so then it's not an accidental discharge.

ray9898
09-02-2011, 17:05
I have yet to find any training that makes it important to point a real gun at someone in a class scenario. Either use a training gun or simply don't do it.

Damn shame....a young life cut short for no reason.

mikegun
09-02-2011, 18:16
:fallenofficer: preyers......just a kid...so sad..

AA#5
09-02-2011, 18:19
absolutely no excuse, sounds to me more like Negligent homicide instead of "accident".

I think people like to call a negligent discharge an "accident" because they feel sorry for the person who caused it.

I also think the instructor was trying to impress the pretty student.

fla2760
09-02-2011, 18:30
Awful, prayers for all concerned.

razdog76
09-02-2011, 19:46
:fallenofficer:

RVER
09-03-2011, 17:34
absolutely no excuse, sounds to me more like Negligent homicide instead of "accident".

I agree.

ULVER
09-04-2011, 01:52
OK, from what I learned today, instructor left the classroom for lunch, and re-holstered his duty weapon, that had been secured in another area.

Apparently, (quote) he "FORGOT" to exchange his duty weapon, for his training one, and entered the classroom with a hot gun.

During a personal conversation with the PO, for some reason, he drew the gun, and shot her in the torso. She passed on the way to the hos.

Several wits have said, just before the shot, he said something about, "it could happen this fast." Not sure exactly what that means. :dunno:

She was laid to rest this weekend...RIP

4949shooter
09-04-2011, 02:59
I also think the instructor was trying to impress the pretty student.

This is my take on it also.

RIP Sister.

:fallenofficer:

merlynusn
09-04-2011, 09:36
What is Rule #1 with any firearm.

Always treat it as if it were loaded.

Rule #2.

Never point it at anything you don't want to destroy.

So seems to me the idiot forgot about Rules 1 and 2. There is absolutely no reason to have pulled ANY gun and point it at someone and pull the trigger "just to show how fast it can happen."

Honestly, I'd charge him with involuntary manslaughter and go from there.

Dragoon44
09-04-2011, 14:23
What is Rule #1 with any firearm.

Always treat it as if it were loaded.

Rule #2.

Never point it at anything you don't want to destroy.

So seems to me the idiot forgot about Rules 1 and 2. There is absolutely no reason to have pulled ANY gun and point it at someone and pull the trigger "just to show how fast it can happen."

Honestly, I'd charge him with involuntary manslaughter and go from there.


+1 like I said before there is no excuse for this happening.

JuneyBooney
09-05-2011, 00:33
Very tragic...:crying: If the initial reports are true, this was not just an accident, but a truly needless one.

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/local_news/GBI-Probes-Probation-Officer%27s-Death-20110901-am-sd

That is tragic and a horrible end to a lovely young woman. Didn't they have a similar incident last year or was that in Florida?

G22Dude
09-06-2011, 08:18
I have yet to find any training that makes it important to point a real gun at someone in a class scenario. Either use a training gun or simply don't do it.

Damn shame....a young life cut short for no reason.

This happens when people take shortcuts