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nickod
09-06-2011, 00:55
does any body see an upcoming assault weapon ban in the foreseeable future with a new coming presidential election? what happens to all our riffles during a ban? what happened to people who owned black riffles before the clinton ban? did they get to keep them or did some atf agent show up at their doors like "um.... there's a ban now, give me all your riffles." ? just something i was pondering today. stupid questions, i know. just some scary thought i was having today. im interested to hear what you think.

WoodenPlank
09-06-2011, 01:11
Don't see it happening. Even if Obama gets re-elected, the Democrats wont have the votes to get it passed and onto the president's desk. Even if they somehow managed to pass one, any current rifles would have to be grandfathered in.

nickod
09-06-2011, 01:40
aw woodenplank, you strike again. thank you for soothing my fears. think of the amount of small and some not so small businesses that would be destroyed as well. like i said, i was having some scary thought today.

american lockpicker
09-06-2011, 01:59
I remember the AWB quite well so I'm stocking up.

alwaysshootin
09-06-2011, 02:43
Even obama, is smart enough, not to mess with the only industry, reaching astronomical sales increases since his election. Perhaps I am giving him way to much credit, but I'm sure, he doesn't want to see rioting in the streets!

RGbiker
09-06-2011, 04:10
I remember the AWB quite well so I'm stocking up.

I remember watching C-Span the Congress vote for crime bill (AWB) as Speaker of the House Tom Foley took it upon himself to extend the vote time limit as Feinstein ran around pleading for yea votes.

1gewehr
09-06-2011, 08:20
I trust Congress even less than I do most known crooks.

Glockdude1
09-06-2011, 08:23
Another AWB???

:rofl:

The last one worked so well.......

:cool:

Jerry
09-06-2011, 12:12
Another AWB???

:rofl:

The last one worked so well.......

:cool:

Actually it did. It woke up a lot of people. Just like the Obomnationís reign of socialism has. Sometimes The People need a good swift kick in the nads to get them to get off their dufs and show the politicians who REALLY has the powder. Oops! Freudian slip. I meant power. :supergrin:

Glockdude1
09-06-2011, 13:09
Actually it did. It woke up a lot of people. Just like the Obomnationís reign of socialism has. Sometimes The People need a good swift kick in the nads to get them to get off their dufs and show the politicians who REALLY has the powder. Oops! Freudian slip. I meant power. :supergrin:

:agree:

TexasFats
09-06-2011, 13:49
I don't think that we dare let down our guard. If not an AWB, then some other onerous law. Just because the anti-gun crowd have been temporarily beaten back, that does not mean that they have given up. Maybe, the next thing that they will try is ammo bans under the guise of reducing lead pollution. They have already been floating those ideas and even getting them into law in California. Remember they can lose and lose again and keep coming back. We only have to lose once to, perhaps, lose it all. And, never think that it is about crime. It is about control over us.

Gunnut 45/454
09-06-2011, 15:56
Don't worry about a AWB worry about the EPA outlawing your ammo! They're working on lead bans, in effect in many places already! And now gun owners are helping them by promoting leadfree ammo! Look for increased Hazmat fees - higher ammo taxes etc. They'll just price it out of existance!:steamed:

TexasFats
09-06-2011, 17:18
Don't worry about a AWB worry about the EPA outlawing your ammo! They're working on lead bans, in effect in many places already! And now gun owners are helping them by promoting leadfree ammo! Look for increased Hazmat fees - higher ammo taxes etc. They'll just price it out of existance!:steamed:

:goodpost::agree:

Jerry
09-06-2011, 22:46
:goodpost::agree:

Me also!

RGbiker
09-07-2011, 01:07
Another AWB is possible if O'bumble is elected for another term. Tax on ammo....Ban on lead ammo.....also possible.

Gun registration is our greatest fear, IMHO. The Feds are desperate to know who owns a gun in this country.

mrsurfboard
09-07-2011, 06:44
Don't see it happening. Even if Obama gets re-elected, the Democrats wont have the votes to get it passed and onto the president's desk. Even if they somehow managed to pass one, any current rifles would have to be grandfathered in.

:rofl: If they want your guns, they will take them.

Jerry
09-07-2011, 08:44
:rofl: If they want your guns, they will take them.

Yah, that’s what they thought during Katrina. A Maritime lawyer stood in front of TV cameras in his yard and pretty much told the JBT to try it. The JBT WERE standing back in the street watching and discussing. They didn’t! Funny how easily they took them from the sheep and little old ladies but knew better than to try with others.

You only have those freedoms you are willing to fight for. They will never try to forcefully take them from all of The People, only the sheeply. They WILL do as Gunnut has said. We've been saying that for some time. They have gotten ranges closed, hazmat fees imposed, no led shot for duck hunting and they just keep on keeping on. They keep taking baby steps and before we know it they will have taken the farm. Think maybe it's time to write your congressman and tell him / her enough is enough?

:offtopic: Did the farmers ever get the water turned back on in Comyfornia? That story / coverage seemed to just go away. Like Glen Beck! :dunno:

Booker
09-07-2011, 16:35
With an AK47 being used in yesterday's IHOP shooting, I'd expect the antis to started demanding a new AWB.

And since NG/Military members were killed in that attack, I'd expect some RINO's to jump on the bandwagon!

Never Say Never!

samuse
09-08-2011, 04:52
HOARD NOW...


:supergrin::supergrin:

Jerry
09-08-2011, 10:42
HOARD NOW...


:supergrin::supergrin:



There are no hoarders here, just avid collectors. It really is a shame that so many have lost firearms do to boating accidents. I personal donate to the homeless. I have receipts from John Doe, Prince Albert and Come Angittum. One of my favorite rifles Iím going to give to Overmy Deadbody. :whistling: :supergrin:

Glockdude1
09-08-2011, 10:52
There are no hoarders here, just avid collectors. It really is a shame that so many have lost firearms do to boating accidents. I personal donate to the homeless. I have receipts from John Doe, Prince Albert and Come Angittum. One of my favorite rifles Iím going to give to Overmy Deadbody. :whistling: :supergrin:

:rofl: __ :thumbsup:

Excellent!!!

Are your attorneys Dewy, Cheat'em & Howe?

:tongueout:

Jerry
09-08-2011, 11:47
:rofl: __ :thumbsup:

Excellent!!!

Are your attorneys Dewy, Cheat'em & Howe?

:tongueout:

Same firm, but Cheat'em left to go live in the White House. :wow:

Glock26z
09-08-2011, 14:32
On the killing of the military people at ihop,it will also raise the prices more up on the aks and ammo for them if they are not doing that now. We don't order anymore ar's here at the shop. We just order revolvers,semi-auto pistols,no Glocks. and,bolt and lever action rifles. If someone wants a semi-auto rifle or shotgun,I send them to the closets pawnshop.

Jerry
09-08-2011, 14:53
On the killing of the military people at ihop,it will also raise the prices more up on the aks and ammo for them if they are not doing that now. We don't order anymore ar's here at the shop. We just order revolvers,semi-auto pistols,no Glocks. and,bolt and lever action rifles. If someone wants a semi-auto rifle or shotgun,I send them to the closets pawnshop.

Thanks for giving the anties what they want. :upeyes:

I went to a shop near my house. I wanted a Marlin 1895 45/70. They couldn’t get it but they have lots and lots of black rifles so I guess it all works out. :rofl:

banger
09-09-2011, 06:34
Don't see it happening. Even if Obama gets re-elected, the Democrats wont have the votes to get it passed and onto the president's desk. Even if they somehow managed to pass one, any current rifles would have to be grandfathered in.


Allow me to point out that when the state of New Jersey outlawed "Assault Weapons", neither the weapons nor the magazines were "grandfathered".

All weapons were to be sold out of state or turned in, unless a very specific exemption for use in "certified" competition. (no, being a member of a gun club was not enough). Think in terms of registered D.C.M. competitions.

Soooo, don't assume it can't happen, it already has.

WoodenPlank
09-10-2011, 01:46
Don't worry about a AWB worry about the EPA outlawing your ammo! They're working on lead bans, in effect in many places already! And now gun owners are helping them by promoting leadfree ammo! Look for increased Hazmat fees - higher ammo taxes etc. They'll just price it out of existance!:steamed:


With an AK47 being used in yesterday's IHOP shooting, I'd expect the antis to started demanding a new AWB.

And since NG/Military members were killed in that attack, I'd expect some RINO's to jump on the bandwagon!

Never Say Never!

Considering the shooter was a Mexican national, he couldn't legally own a full auto AK in the US. Since it was illegally obtained anyway, the liberals probably won't bother. Pushing for any kind of gun law after someone uses an illegally obtained weapon is politically unsound, and the grabbers know it. If Carolyn McCarthy hasn't been jumping up and down on national tv, you know it's not gonna happen. :rofl:
As for lead bans, the EPA has already tossed that petition, and put out a press release stating they felt they had ZERO grounds to make any decisions on such due to the second amendment. You might see some nutjob like McCarthy try it in congress, but it won't get anywhere. Plus, even IF (and thats a BIG IF) Obama wins re-election, there's no way you'll be seeing a Democrat-controlled House AND Senate during his presidency - something that would be needed to get any serious gun legislation passed.
My SOLE concern is they try to Rahm through another thousand-plus page bill, and someone manages to sneak it in there. If that happened, though, I can't imagine the massive number of lawsuits that would erupt immediately.

Allow me to point out that when the state of New Jersey outlawed "Assault Weapons", neither the weapons nor the magazines were "grandfathered".

All weapons were to be sold out of state or turned in, unless a very specific exemption for use in "certified" competition. (no, being a member of a gun club was not enough). Think in terms of registered D.C.N. competitions.

Soooo, don't assume it can't happen, it already has.

I'm surprised nobody has challenged that law under ex post facto. The federal ban included a grandfathering clause to avoid lawsuits on that grounds, and any future federal law would almost certainly have to have a similar clause. After the Heller v DC and McDonald v Chicago rulings, not only would future anti-gun laws have one hell of a fight on their hands, but they'd have to have exceptions/grandfathering to have a chance at passing.

banger
09-10-2011, 06:29
I'm surprised nobody has challenged that law under ex post facto. The federal ban included a grandfathering clause to avoid lawsuits on that grounds, and any future federal law would almost certainly have to have a similar clause. After the Heller v DC and McDonald v Chicago rulings, not only would future anti-gun laws have one hell of a fight on their hands, but they'd have to have exceptions/grandfathering to have a chance at passing.[/QUOTE]

Allow me to point out...

When D.C. enacted it's handgun ban, all handguns were banned. Even those weapons that were legally in the District prior to the ban.

Don't assume that simply because something is "unfair" or "stupid" that it can't be done.

Remember, the D.C ban was in effect for many years prior to being overturned.

Also much like Chicago refusal to remove their ban until it was directly challenged in the U.S. Supreme Court, New Jersey also refuses.

Recall, "Heller" spoke specifically and directly to "handguns" only. Outrages such as magazine restrictions and such were not address and continue to stand in many jurisdictions.

Prior to closing, I need to point out that the New Jersey "assault weapons" ban has been successfully challenged in STATE courts and won several times.

In an act of divine brilliance, the State of New Jersey has allowed the dismissals to stand rather than appeal the court decisions.

Why... A dismissal in any one case, effects THAT CASE ONLY.

If an appeal is filed by the State, it places in jeopardy the entire set of laws concerning the ban. A higher court could find the law invalid and remove the statutes. In the way it is handled now, one fish simply "slipped through the net".

The effect is that although individuals might not be punished (in a few instances), it is still impossible to go to a legally operating FFL and purchase any of the weapons on the list.

schild
09-10-2011, 09:51
When Obama realizes there is no chance of being re-elected, I predict an Executive Order so he can accomplish another of his progressive goals.

WoodenPlank
09-10-2011, 20:01
In an act of divine brilliance, the State of New Jersey has allowed the dismissals to stand rather than appeal the court decisions.

Why... A dismissal in any one case, effects THAT CASE ONLY.

If an appeal is filed by the State, it places in jeopardy the entire set of laws concerning the ban. A higher court could find the law invalid and remove the statutes. In the way it is handled now, one fish simply "slipped through the net".

The effect is that although individuals might not be punished (in a few instances), it is still impossible to go to a legally operating FFL and purchase any of the weapons on the list.

On the one hand, that's legally brilliant. On the other hand, it's downright disgusting.

As for grandfathering clause, I don't see a federal law getting anywhere without one, even if states or local jurisdictions have managed to pass one and keep it on the books.

When Obama realizes there is no chance of being re-elected, I predict an Executive Order so he can accomplish another of his progressive goals.

An EO would accomplish nothing for gun control, as an executive order does not function as a law. Essentially, an EO (per my understanding) can only direct members of the executive branch. Obama can't just sign an EO stating that all "assault weapons" are banned, as it would have no legal standing.

mrsurfboard
09-10-2011, 22:34
On the one hand, that's legally brilliant. On the other hand, it's downright disgusting.

As for grandfathering clause, I don't see a federal law getting anywhere without one, even if states or local jurisdictions have managed to pass one and keep it on the books.



An EO would accomplish nothing for gun control, as an executive order does not function as a law. Essentially, an EO (per my understanding) can only direct members of the executive branch. Obama can't just sign an EO stating that all "assault weapons" are banned, as it would have no legal standing.

Are you going to stop him. Once the law is signed, it's law. You can chalenge it court, but that could take month or years. Enough time to collect all the evil weapons from the masses. Don't think it couldn't happen.

Angry Fist
09-10-2011, 22:45
:rofl: __ :thumbsup:

Excellent!!!

Are your attorneys Dewy, Cheat'em & Howe?

:tongueout:
http://pix.posterrevolution.com/pr/2/637069m.jpg

Glockdude1
09-11-2011, 05:41
http://pix.posterrevolution.com/pr/2/637069m.jpg

Thats them!!

:rofl:

Jerry
09-11-2011, 09:42
Are you going to stop him. Once the law is signed, it's law. You can chalenge it court, but that could take month or years. Enough time to collect all the evil weapons from the masses. Don't think it couldn't happen.

I doubt even the Obomination is that stupid? You do realize there would be another civil war? Banning specific firearms and products and pricing products out of our reach are the only ways. That is what I fear. An all-out ban would be a call to arms. By doing it in baby steps people become complacent and next thing you know it’s ALL GONE. Look at all we’ve lost in the last 50 years. We are only now starting to put an end to it and we will never regain what we have lost.

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." [Benjamin Franklin, 1759]

nastytrigger
09-11-2011, 09:54
I see no AWB. The current administration has bigger things to tackle. Wouldn't pass the house anyway.

In fact, a national carry law is being heard soon. I urge everyone to contact your rep and check out NRA-ILA.

1 old 0311
09-11-2011, 13:28
Another AWB???

:rofl:

The last one worked so well.......

:cool:


Worked well for me. The M70AB2 underfolder Yugos I bought for $449 I sold for $750, I had 8, the 7.62X39 ammo went from $169 to $239:cool: I think I had 20K of those, and the 33 round Glock 9mm mags were suddenly worth $99.:supergrin:

Glockdude1
09-11-2011, 14:41
Worked well for me. The M70AB2 underfolder Yugos I bought for $449 I sold for $750, I had 8, the 7.62X39 ammo went from $169 to $239:cool: I think I had 20K of those, and the 33 round Glock 9mm mags were suddenly worth $99.:supergrin:

Yes, if you were a seller of many "pre ban" weapons and ammo, the AWB was a god send.

Speaking of Yugo AK's, I do remember one on Gunbroker that SOLD for over 3 grand, in Dec 2008. It was identical to the one I paid $419 for from Aimsurplus, in March of 2008.

:faint:

JPhillis
09-11-2011, 17:50
I hope if they ban some certain rifles, I have time to get the 2 i have on my want list... Buying on a tight budget sux!!

Angry Fist
09-11-2011, 19:28
I hope if they ban some certain rifles, I have time to get the 2 i have on my want list... Buying on a tight budget sux!!
I hear ya. I was going to sell my S12, even had it listed here for several days, but then my senses came back to me!

samuse
09-12-2011, 22:39
Guns are everywhere. If you feel the need, stock up on ammo 1st and mags 2nd.

They can outlaw whatever they want.

I got away with a lot back when I was young and dumb, now that I'm older and wiser, I wish a mutha-****** would. :-)

1 old 0311
09-13-2011, 13:34
Yes, if you were a seller of many "pre ban" weapons and ammo, the AWB was a god send.

Speaking of Yugo AK's, I do remember one on Gunbroker that SOLD for over 3 grand, in Dec 2008. It was identical to the one I paid $419 for from Aimsurplus, in March of 2008.

:faint:

Three days after the first AWB I took a folding stock Chinese AK to a gun show to see what happened. I got 10 feet in the front door and was offered 3 times what I paid 2 weeks earlier.

Some people, and a lot on here, will not PREPARE for any 'situation.' They don't ACT they REACT. Guess Darwin was right.

Sbh87
09-14-2011, 04:34
Massachusetts kept the Clinton AWB. Can only have the fun stuff if it was manufactured and already in the state pre 1994. Then in 98 a whole new set of restrictions came into place regarding handguns. So having a national AWB would blow for everyone outside of occupied territory but would not change anything here.


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Front Sight
09-17-2011, 18:21
They say that Ruger's stock has done better than the price of gold since we got a different president.

WoodenPlank
09-24-2011, 11:16
Are you going to stop him. Once the law is signed, it's law. You can chalenge it court, but that could take month or years. Enough time to collect all the evil weapons from the masses. Don't think it couldn't happen.

Again, an Executive Order is not the same thing as a law passed by congress and signed by the president. If all it took to ban "assault weapons" was an executive order, then I'm sure Clinton would have happily done so.