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Gasoil4ever
09-09-2011, 16:10
Generally speaking what are the main differences between a Remington and a Mossberg when you compare more or less equivalent versions (Tactical, Marine etc)

The Remington seems from what i see more expensive, where does the price difference come from ? Is there some real quality differences ?

(sorry shotgun noob question...)

Dasglockenspiel
09-09-2011, 16:30
Generally speaking, the to systems are very reliable. Some prefer the trigger guard safety button that the Remy has which serves Rt Handers well. The Mossy on the otherhand has the safety on upper back of receiver so is neutral relative to left hand vs right hand. The Mossy still functions after being driven over by a Hum Vee, I would imagine the Remy could do the same.

They are both built inexpensively yet are very reliable.

Pick them up and handle them and see which seems to be the best natural fit for you before you buy. I have two 500s that function flawlessly....and would likely say the same about te 870.

Dasglockenspiel

Aceman
09-09-2011, 17:08
Safety and release positions. That's it.

You may have an issue with the safety on a Mossberg, or the release on an 870. Both issues can be overcome by practice.

A Maverick 88 is the best of both worlds.

I'd be happy with either gun. Flip a coin. They are both excellent. differences are trivial / non-significant to all but seriously experienced shooters who have a preference.

Price difference comes from the name Remington.

dc2integra
09-09-2011, 17:28
They are both build with reliability in mind.The safeties are the main difference between the two.The mossberg is lighter and has dual extractors.I personally went with the mossberg for those same reasons.

bigcountry31987
09-09-2011, 18:08
They are both great guns I have shot both I like the mossberg cause its definatley a lighter gun but I prefer the remington 870 for reliability cause I've hunted with it for years and has never done me wrong.

-gunut-
09-09-2011, 19:24
Check them out in person. The mossberg feels cheap compared to the 870. Both are sturdy guns.

wrenrj1
09-09-2011, 19:28
Being a lefty, I like the Mossy's safety. That's why I own an 870! Don't ask.

Nestor
09-09-2011, 21:16
I never tried Mossberg 500, but I will. I love 870, but own Ithaca M37 Defense.
My best advise for You is to rent each model at the local range or ask around (maybe your friends own those) and give each shotgun a try. Try to work the safeties, cycle the action, point and shoot. This is the best way to figure out which model You like the best. With 870 You have a couple more options to go with - You have Express quality level, Wingmaster quality level and Police quality level to choose from. Mossy in this regard is pretty much one dimension shotgun.

alexanderg23
09-09-2011, 21:23
Remington is BA, moss is not

brausso
09-09-2011, 21:28
I have a police 870. Nothing bad to say about it. I'm negotiating a purchase right now for a mossberg 590 special purpose NIB. I love the 9 shot capability

Ferdinandd
09-09-2011, 21:48
I have both, and prefer the 870 with SF PG shoulder stock - the M500 safety is difficult to use with that stock type. Both are excellent shotguns and are reliable and robust. I like the loading port on the M500 over the 870 though - it's faster for me to load and doesn't have the risk of having a loaded shell get stuck on top of the carrier, jamming the action. The 870 is heavier since it's all steel, while the M500 has an alloy receiver. Shoot both of them and pick the one you like.

Gasoil4ever
09-10-2011, 01:28
Being a lefty, I like the Mossy's safety. That's why I own an 870! Don't ask.

I am a lefty to. Can you release the safety on your 870 with your left thumb or is there a lefty conversion kit ?

I never tried Mossberg 500, but I will. I love 870, but own Ithaca M37 Defense.
My best advise for You is to rent each model at the local range or ask around (maybe your friends own those) and give each shotgun a try. Try to work the safeties, cycle the action, point and shoot. This is the best way to figure out which model You like the best. With 870 You have a couple more options to go with - You have Express quality level, Wingmaster quality level and Police quality level to choose from. Mossy in this regard is pretty much one dimension shotgun.

Thanks for your feedback guys !

Now you give me a serious dilema...

Even if after reading you guys i consider both will do the job 100% fine and will be comparably reliable :

I am a Lefty ----> Mossberg ?
I like good looking / quality stuff ----> Remington ?

Unfortunately there are no local shooting range in Cameroon, nor there is a Local Gun shop... i have to set up my mind on the net before i order it through DHL...

PlasticGuy
09-10-2011, 01:50
Mossberg 590a1 is the best answer, in my opinion. It has a thicker and stronger barrel and receiver than the 500, and dual extractors for total reliability in extraction. Combined with controls that are perfect for both left and right handed shooters, it is as good as it gets in a pump action combat shotgun.

Alderak
09-10-2011, 02:02
decided against a 2 shot gun?

Gasoil4ever
09-10-2011, 02:33
Mossberg 590a1 is the best answer, in my opinion. It has a thicker and stronger barrel and receiver than the 500, and dual extractors for total reliability in extraction. Combined with controls that are perfect for both left and right handed shooters, it is as good as it gets in a pump action combat shotgun.

Eh eh :agree: i didn't realise they had a version that could be perfect for what i am looking for : 590A1 Mariner 6 shots : 18.5" heavy barrel, Marine coat (humid sea side environment), 6 shots. All i need is to get a pistol grip, Ghost Ring sights, a forend w/ tactical rail (for a lamp) and here is my baby !!! :50cal:

decided against a 2 shot gun?

Considering i can get a 6 shots shotgun i guess i am going to go this way first.

Can beat the safety of a empty barrel + 6 shots below for night use. No risk of unwanted shot if the barrel is empty. On top of this the "creecccc-creeccccc" sound when loading is the first warning for the goblin intruding my home at night which is something that can happen if you are a foreigner here. :steamed:

But once i'll be comfortable with the paper work + customs i'll get a SxS cause i started really liking them after doing some much research on them :supergrin: :2gun:

G19freak
09-10-2011, 08:34
Thats 6 shots TOTAL---if you leave it with an empty chamber, you'll only have 5.

Put a shell holder cuff on the stock to carry extra ammo.

Gasoil4ever
09-10-2011, 10:16
Thats 6 shots TOTAL---if you leave it with an empty chamber, you'll only have 5.

Put a shell holder cuff on the stock to carry extra ammo.

I am thinking of adding :

- Ghost Ring sights
- front picatinny rail + tactical lamp (for HD)
- Hogue pistol grip for HD, Tactical stock for outdoor fun / clay shooting
- shell holder cuff

Aceman
09-10-2011, 15:47
I am a Lefty ----> Mossberg ?


Yes - especially if you are NOT using a tacticool stock (no pistol grip + stock)

Gasoil4ever
09-10-2011, 16:58
Yes - especially if you are NOT using a tacticool stock (no pistol grip + stock)

Good to know !

ScrappyDoo
09-10-2011, 19:46
My vote is Mossberg, imho they're awesome. There is a huge list of Mossberg's I want to own and they're many that are similar, redundant, and I'd not needf them but I'd do it anyway.

Gasoil4ever
09-11-2011, 05:38
Finally i am leaning towards a Mossberg 590A1 Mariner 6 shots with Blackhawk compstock, Tri rail forend, Surefire X300 Tactical LED Lamp, XS Ghost Ring with Tritium front.

Aceman
09-11-2011, 08:02
Finally i am leaning towards a Mossberg 590A1 Mariner 6 shots with Blackhawk compstock, Tri rail forend, Surefire X300 Tactical LED Lamp, XS Ghost Ring with Tritium front.

Why the ghost ring?

Gasoil4ever
09-11-2011, 08:50
Why the ghost ring?

I do not like bead sights and from what i have seen i find ghost rings faster and more intuitive than 3 dot sights...

What your concern about Ghost rings ?

mixflip
09-11-2011, 09:39
From someone who has owned both...and shot both with the military and police.

Mossberg-

Aluminum receiver with an anodized finish
Dual extractors
Ambidextrous tang mounted safety
Slide release located behind the trigger guard
Load gate stays retracted and out of the way when loading ammo


Remington-

Steel receiver with a blued or parkerized finish
Single extractor
Right sided cross bolt safety button behind the trigger guard
Slide release forward of the trigger guard
Load gate is spring loaded and does not lock out of the way when loading ammo

There are more differences but these are the important ones in my eyes when deciding what features mean the most to me.


As for the tactical models with GRS and pistol grips etc etc...they are pretty much identical in performance and they do give the shooter options as far as swapping in slugs to take a 50+ yard shot that would be a tough task for most handguns to do. Highly unlikely to be needed in a close quarter home defense scenario but still good for general SHTF I would think. You dont need all the tactical stuff for home defense but if it tickles your pickle then have at it. The economy could use a boost anyway. If all guns looked the same life would be boring.

vafish
09-11-2011, 14:53
Skip the pistol grip on the Mossberg.

The safety is on top of the receiver. No way can you reach the safety while holding onto the pistol grip.

If you must have a pistol grip for the shortness, go with a birds head style grip.

http://www.shockwavetechnologies.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=50

Nestor
09-11-2011, 19:39
Maybe that's just me, but the ghost ring sights are slower than the bead sights in any situation. I actually can't understand the popularity of those sights, but than again it's just me. Good luck.

aippi
09-11-2011, 21:10
Did I just read that Ghost Rings are faster then a bead sight????? Sorry, nothing is faster then a bead sight on a shotgun. Nothing. If GR's were faster then they would be on all sporting shotguns. Trap, skeet, Turkey, Upland game birds and any other application a shotgun is used for. How many of those have Ghost Rings? NONE.

Amazing that these clay shooters can hit that little disk with it going so fast from so many different directions and do it with a bead sight. And the Sporting Clay shooters are some of the best shotgunners on this planet and all done with a bead sight. Why is that?

GR's have no place on a fighting shotgun. None. And no I will not debate this with any of you because if you are trying to justify peep sights on a close quarters weapon like a shotgun then you are clueless to how these weapons are deployed in a fight.

El_Ron1
09-12-2011, 00:09
PULL!


:supergrin:

vafish
09-12-2011, 06:12
Ghost ring sights were popularized by Jeff Cooper. He was a marine corps rifleman who tried to apply rifle shooting techniques to shotguns.

His only purpose for a shotgun was to use it as a short range rifle by putting sights on it and shooting slugs or a tight choke with buckshot.

Had he been a competive trap or skeet shooter we probably would not have grs on shotguns today.

Gasoil4ever
09-12-2011, 13:12
Maybe that's just me, but the ghost ring sights are slower than the bead sights in any situation. I actually can't understand the popularity of those sights, but than again it's just me. Good luck.

Did I just read that Ghost Rings are faster then a bead sight????? Sorry, nothing is faster then a bead sight on a shotgun. Nothing. If GR's were faster then they would be on all sporting shotguns. Trap, skeet, Turkey, Upland game birds and any other application a shotgun is used for. How many of those have Ghost Rings? NONE.

Amazing that these clay shooters can hit that little disk with it going so fast from so many different directions and do it with a bead sight. And the Sporting Clay shooters are some of the best shotgunners on this planet and all done with a bead sight. Why is that?

GR's have no place on a fighting shotgun. None. And no I will not debate this with any of you because if you are trying to justify peep sights on a close quarters weapon like a shotgun then you are clueless to how these weapons are deployed in a fight.

Yes faster... in the end.

I don't see where (but then again your the specialists, and thats why i am asking for your opinions) we can compare HD with clayshooting.

Last time i practiced clay i had a 24" barrel O/U 2 shots gun loaded with birdhsot so that it would spray on the target to be sure braking it... and its quite brittle. No time for serious aiming... just point and pull the trigger BAM the bird's dead...

Talking HD, with a 18"5 pumpa action, from my understanding, i don't see the reason that makes them slower at short range... GRS still have a front sight and as with the bead sight, in a close combat situation (i imagine) you point it towards your target and pull the trigger... no big difference with bead sights is there ? I presume the target is big enough so that you don't miss it if you are a minimum trained shooter. Again please feel free to correct me if i am wrong the point it to learn something out of this thread.

But if you want to place a precise shot at 25 yards and further with a slug of 00 Buckshot i believe GRS will then be way faster. Its a 3 sights system that gives you precise reference, and under stress i believe its WAY faster (at least for me). I am a former IPSC shooter and i am faster under stressfull situation (chronometer during IPSC matches) with a 3 sights system.

So not slower @short range + faster @mid-long range = faster in the end

I believe training makes it all anyways and will manage to build an IPSC shooting range to train as i like to.

P.S : first i'll only be able to have ONE gun... it will serve multiple functions : HD, have fun shooting outdoor upto 50 yards ++, hunting (forest only here), so the sights need to be "all purpose" capable.

P.S 2 : isn't a forum made to debate / exchange ideas ? :whistling:

TXGlock21Man
09-12-2011, 13:42
I own both and have recently shot both on extended outages. My preference is the Mossberg.

I like the Mossy's position for the safety and release better, but that is just my preference. The Mossy is lighter, so after four hours it makes a difference, but also makes a difference on recoil.

I just purchased a new Mossy 500a with a 28" barrel and three chokes for $209...closest 870 I could find was $280.

Both are great shotguns and I suspect not many of us will ever shot the barrels out of either.

Glock411
09-12-2011, 14:10
The Remington 870 has a steel reciever and is a really tough gun, The Mossbergs are great guns also, Both guns you can get tons of goodies for, All my shotguns are Tactical except 1 Mossberg, I honestly like my Benelli's the best.

I have 3 Remington 870's Tactical all with Surefire forend lights, 3 Mossbergs 2 Tac 1 hunt, 2 Benelli's M1 W/Surefire forend light and a M2,,,Then last but not least a Winchester 1200 Defender (has the smoothest action out of all my pump shotguns)

You will be happy wiith either choice

Nestor
09-12-2011, 16:35
Yes faster... in the end.

I don't see where (but then again your the specialists, and thats why i am asking for your opinions) we can compare HD with clayshooting.

Last time i practiced clay i had a 24" barrel O/U 2 shots gun loaded with birdhsot so that it would spray on the target to be sure braking it... and its quite brittle. No time for serious aiming... just point and pull the trigger BAM the bird's dead...

Talking HD, with a 18"5 pumpa action, from my understanding, i don't see the reason that makes them slower at short range... GRS still have a front sight and as with the bead sight, in a close combat situation (i imagine) you point it towards your target and pull the trigger... no big difference with bead sights is there ? I presume the target is big enough so that you don't miss it if you are a minimum trained shooter. Again please feel free to correct me if i am wrong the point it to learn something out of this thread.

But if you want to place a precise shot at 25 yards and further with a slug of 00 Buckshot i believe GRS will then be way faster. Its a 3 sights system that gives you precise reference, and under stress i believe its WAY faster (at least for me). I am a former IPSC shooter and i am faster under stressfull situation (chronometer during IPSC matches) with a 3 sights system.

So not slower @short range + faster @mid-long range = faster in the end

I believe training makes it all anyways and will manage to build an IPSC shooting range to train as i like to.

P.S : first i'll only be able to have ONE gun... it will serve multiple functions : HD, have fun shooting outdoor upto 50 yards ++, hunting (forest only here), so the sights need to be "all purpose" capable.

P.S 2 : isn't a forum made to debate / exchange ideas ? :whistling:

Last Thursday I had to re-qualify with 870 and since shotgun is my favorite firearm I think that I can share some ideas with You. That's what I'm doing right from the start BTW. When I did my part my instructor who knew about my gun preference brought a fancy 14" Italian made "tactical" scattergun with the set of ghost ring sights, recoil reducing pistol grip and such.
Each and every shot I took was slower with the GR (despite shorter barrel). Your front sight picture is covered with the rear sight picture, so You can't use the front sight like with the bead sight configuration. It's not possible.
You have to look thru the rear sight to see the front one. So, no You can't use the GR as fast as bead. 50 yards is pretty far in my opinion for a shotgun.
To use it beyond 25 yards You need to practice a lot both with the gun and ammo. I personally wouldn't take such shot with anything, but the slug. In HD scenario your distance shouldn't exceed 15 yards anyway. You always have to think about the legal consequences of your actions. Buying different barrels for your shotgun should fix for You the one gun for everything problem. Good luck.

HexHead
09-12-2011, 16:54
Beats me, I plan on getting a Winchester SXP Defender. Best action of the three.

PlasticGuy
09-12-2011, 18:03
Ghost rings are no slower than a bead, if you learn how to use them properly. Look across the top of them for buckshot at 10 yards, and use them as intended for everything else. Fast and accurate.

chuck pullen
09-12-2011, 18:18
They are both outstanding shotguns. I own a '76 Wingmaster and a newish 590 SPX. I love them pretty equally.

Aceman
09-12-2011, 19:08
See why I asked about Ghost Rings? I agree. GR is really for slugs / rifle style shooting. Deer with slugs at 100 yards - excellent choice. Up close SD/HD with buck, no way. Again - maybe just my preference.

As for the Mossberg safety - lot's opf people will complain when a pistol grip/stock combo is used.

School of thought A: I must always be twiddling the safety on and off all the time and must be able to reach it at every moment because Mr. Army instructor taught me that.

School of thought B: safety went off the moment I picked the gun up. It will not go on again until there is no threat (however that occurs).

I'm school B. If I'm picking that gun up the safety goes off and stays off. At that moment it's all about muzzle discipline and finger discipline. In any other situation, I could care less if the safety were in the glove compartment of the car outside in the parking lot. I have the time to put it on and off no matter what.

mixflip
09-12-2011, 19:23
Ace this is for you bro...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTalnzcO0xk

Nestor
09-13-2011, 05:06
Shotgun stocks tend to be designed for beads, meaning ghost ring sights may be too high to get a good cheek weld plus if those sights are adjustable if you will remove the barrel, you most likely will loose your zero on it.
So I'm thinking, don't dismount the barrel, clean it carefully from the muzzle end, or get yourself a Boresnake if You are planning to buy the GR. Again, the sights that are just couple of inches from the eye are a pain in the back to use quickly IMO. They are also not as good for accurate long shots as the rifle sights. Of course buy what You really want and enjoy. Good luck.

Ted the Ninja
09-16-2011, 01:50
I put around 6-800 (various load) rounds through my 590 sp before ever having to dissassemble it. I just snaked it and wiped the breech out. I trust it anywhere. Plus, go for the release on a remy and tell me you like it.