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Fwdftw
09-12-2011, 13:52
Thought these got along? Brother in law has a RIA 1911 5 inch barrel, Last time we went to the range he wanted to try my loads out ( winchester LPP, 5.4gr win231 , and a OAL 1.255 ) wouldnt close the slide... Im guessing OAL .. hes gonna bring his 1911.. What loads would you reccomend for this? thanks fellas!

El_Ron1
09-12-2011, 14:09
They do get along. How much taper crimp?

Fwdftw
09-12-2011, 14:17
no crimp really..im using the seating die to even out the case.. they work great in my MP 45 and fit directly into the barrel make a nice plink sound

El_Ron1
09-12-2011, 14:35
fit directly into the barrel make a nice plink sound The MP barrel or the RIA barrel?

My 1911s require some crimp. For 200 gr LSWC, about .4685 for reliable operation with all of my .45s. OAL max is 1.245 ish.

You should at least try a taper crimp of .469-.470.

Fwdftw
09-12-2011, 14:41
the mp barrel takes em and eats em up.. when we loaded a mag of my bullets for his 1911 the slide wouldnt even come close to closing.. lol


how would i get this crimp using the seating die? do i need to break out the fcd?

El_Ron1
09-12-2011, 14:56
Christ... I wouldn't know anything about a FCD outside of what I've tried not to read here. Is that the crimp die you've got?

This should get good now. I think I've seen where there are problems with the FCD and lead. Once upon a time, a pistol die set included a crimp die. Taper for semi auto pistols in general, roll for straight walled revolvers. Then the world went all to hell.

I would imagine your die set came with instructions. Some Lee FCD jihadis will be along soon. For all I know, the FCD may be your miracle cure.

But pop that 1911 barrel out and use it as a gauge in your quest. Don't use more bell than necessary either. :beer: :cool:

GioaJack
09-12-2011, 15:03
Your seating die has the crimp feature built into the design. Simply run a seated round up into the die all the way, drop the ram a bit, turn the die 1/16 turn at a time until you achieve the crimp you want then tighten the set screw.


Jack

Fwdftw
09-12-2011, 15:11
duh its all coming back to me know jack.. thanks. Havent touched the damn dies since steve helped me set em up!

El_Ron1
09-12-2011, 15:15
Your seating die has the crimp feature built into the design. Simply run a seated round up into the die all the way, drop the ram a bit, turn the die 1/16 turn at a time until you achieve the crimp you want then tighten the set screw.


JackThank God, that was simple. Lee die sets come with 2 crimpers?

Fwdftw
09-12-2011, 15:19
kinda sorta.. the seating die is a crimping die.. You twist for more crimp and theres a seating stem

GioaJack
09-12-2011, 16:01
To tell you the truth I didn't even think about 4 die sets, (one die for seating and a separate die for crimping.)

I'm an old guy, I only think in 3 die sets... we learned how to do it the right way. :whistling:


Jack

fredj338
09-12-2011, 17:00
no crimp really..im using the seating die to even out the case.. they work great in my MP 45 and fit directly into the barrel make a nice plink sound

So why would you do that? The seating die has a proper taper crimp built into it. Apply a slight tc & you get more reliable ammo.:dunno: Wiht the 4 die sets, one seats & one crimps. ALWAYS taper crimp your semiauot ammo, always. Your ammo will be more reliable.

Fwdftw
09-12-2011, 17:16
gah im so damn confused.. i have the lee carbide 4 die 45 acp set.. i use the deprime/resize , powder measure / flare. and the seating die.. the seating die takes the flare out and seats the ammo at 1.255 am i doing something wrong? bc the Mp feeds and shoots it extremly realiably

Zombie Steve
09-12-2011, 17:42
How much of that swc's shoulder is sticking out of the case? Not to say that crimp isn't important, but I've shot two 200 gr lswc's - one ran fine with a OAL of 1.245", the other (Gioacast) needed to be seated much deeper at 1.185" or it would run into the lands. Just different bullet profiles.

Your M&P might have more freebore to play with...

Fwdftw
09-12-2011, 17:46
steve lemme take a quick picture of the round

Fwdftw
09-12-2011, 17:50
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Rizey/IMAG0304.jpg

skyflyer
09-12-2011, 18:19
I load 200g lswc at 1.235 you might try going just a little deeper.

tjpet
09-12-2011, 18:32
I load 200g lswc at 1.235 you might try going just a little deeper.

Yeah, there should just be a sliver of the bullet's shoulder showing.

As to crimping - since you're using the seating/crimping die -remember to unscrew the seating stem UP a few turns if you're going to recrimp already loaded rounds. Otherwise when you turn the die body down for more crimp the seating stem will lower, too, seating the bullets deeper as well.

RustyFN
09-12-2011, 19:37
I shoot a RIA 1911. I seat my LSWC a little deeper and just a little more crimp than taking the flair out. I haven't had any feeding or chambering problems.

Fwdftw
09-12-2011, 19:45
we got em workin thanks folks!

Zombie Steve
09-12-2011, 20:25
Was it crimp or OAL? We have a little office pool here...

dougader
09-12-2011, 21:49
OAL length was the culprit for my buddy's Colt Commander. He said to load the SWC's flush with the case mouth. Nope. Tried it like the round shown above; bingo!

With his shorter barrel I ran 5.7 W231 to make sure he made the old major of 175.

nitesite10mm
09-13-2011, 07:31
How much of that swc's shoulder is sticking out of the case? Not to say that crimp isn't important, but I've shot two 200 gr lswc's - one ran fine with a OAL of 1.245", the other (Gioacast) needed to be seated much deeper at 1.185" or it would run into the lands. Just different bullet profiles.

Your M&P might have more freebore to play with...

This would definitely be a suspected cause.

If there's a proper taper crimp to about .470" I'd lean toward seating depth problem with that particular bullet and the RIA freebore.

Fwdftw
09-13-2011, 11:06
The criminal was crimp zombie , oal was gtg. When I had posted this I didn't have his barrel in front of me to do a drop test.

Zombie Steve
09-13-2011, 11:07
:fist:

Fwdftw
09-13-2011, 11:28
I know I know who did you lose to ? , here's another one you might can answer how the hell is powder leaking outta my lee auto measure its on the desk its on the plastic parts ? The top is on and the screws are tight that hold it on lol

GioaJack
09-13-2011, 11:30
:fist:


Proven wrong again, eh, Zombie? You should be used to it by now. :whistling:


Jack

Zombie Steve
09-13-2011, 15:52
I done said crimp was important. And damn, Jack, we're talking about Fwdftw here. I was sure he'd have that shoulder a quarter inch out of the case mouth. I thought we'd cured him of his crimptarded ways already.
















Sorry buddy, but you could have lied for me. :whistling:

El_Ron1
09-13-2011, 18:33
You taught him to reload like that, ZS?

Fwdftw
09-13-2011, 19:04
Hey hey No name calling lol

Zombie Steve
09-13-2011, 21:03
You taught him to reload like that, ZS?

Warsh your mouf out with a .38.

TacDad
09-13-2011, 21:45
I had this same issue in my RIA 5" , and I put the question in m1911 forums, and got the same response " taper crimp " ( which if not done properly will give you failure 2 feed IMO) . But the issue was OAL just pull out the bbl and do a plunk test till you get the correct OAL. BTW I was loading Oregon Trail 200gr swc in mixed brass .