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Boxerglocker
09-14-2011, 17:06
I've been loading 100g RN Berrys plated bullets for .380 ACP on my XL650 using the Horandy New Dimension II dies.

Current tool head set-up

Station 1. Size and decap (Horandy)
Station 2. Flare and Power drop (Dillon)
Station 3. Seat and crimp (Horandy)

Yeah only 3 stations but works just fine, shame I never get any use out of that expander die in the Horandy set.

Anyways, I want to try a few sample moly 95g RN Bear Creek bullets (.356-.357 diameter) that I got from my distributor but I am apprehensive about using the current die seat up cause I know these bullets don't do as well when seating and crimping at the same time.

What do you guys think I should do to separate the two operations? I have a extra seating die from my Dillon 9mm die set and could use that.

Do you think backing off the seating stem on the Horandy die and just using the crimp will work?

Maybe just get a dedicated crimping die? Anyone know if the 38-9mm taper crimp dies from Horandy will work for .380 ACP?

Colorado4Wheel
09-14-2011, 19:56
I use two .380 seating dies for .380. One is a Lee and the other is a RCBS. RCBS makes a Taper Crimp/Seater. I use it as a crimp die only. I use the Lee to seat. It still removes a little flare but leaves some for the crimp. Both have a very small entry into the die so they both remove some of the flare no matter what you do. I think you could use a 9mm die to seat a bullet in .380. But it might be too loose to hold the case. You could try it. Hope this helps?

Boxerglocker
09-14-2011, 20:02
I use two .380 seating dies for .380. One is a Lee and the other is a RCBS. RCBS makes a Taper Crimp/Seater. I use it as a crimp die only. I use the Lee to seat. It still removes a little flare but leaves some for the crimp. Both have a very small entry into the die so they both remove some of the flare no matter what you do. I think you could use a 9mm die to seat a bullet in .380. But it might be too loose to hold the case. You could try it. Hope this helps?

Yeah, it does thanks Steve. Just trying to brain storm a resolution before I add extra expense to my set-up. I'm gonna give Horandy a call tomorrow and see if they will do a taper crimp for .380 or if the 9mm one will work.

Colorado4Wheel
09-14-2011, 20:20
http://www.hornady.com/store/9mm-380-A-38-S-A-.355-Seating-Die-1-Each/

Hornadys seating die works for 9mm and 380 and 38Super. So it will crimp the .380 just fine. It might work that most 9mm dies will seat a .380 if they are not too long. I would try that first.

https://shop.rcbs.com/WebConnect/MainServlet?storeId=webconnect&catalogId=webconnect&langId=en_US&action=ProductDisplay&screenlabel=index&productId=4300&route=C09J043N023

That is the only Taper crimp die I found in 9mm. I bought it over the others because it's a Taper crimp die. But the reality is a roll crimp die removes the bell just fine. I have used the roll crimp and the taper crimp die for removing the flare in .380 and I can't tell a difference. If you have a 9mm die that seats the bullet in .380 fine then I would try both in both stations and see how you like it.

thorn137
09-14-2011, 21:02
I definitely prefer seating and crimping in 2 different steps, especially when playing around with different styles/weights of bullets. Hornady makes a 9mm taper crimp die (i have one, works great), but I have no idea if it would work for .380.

thorn

Boxerglocker
09-14-2011, 21:14
http://www.hornady.com/store/9mm-380-A-38-S-A-.355-Seating-Die-1-Each/

Hornadys seating die works for 9mm and 380 and 38Super. So it will crimp the .380 just fine. It might work that most 9mm dies will seat a .380 if they are not too long. I would try that first.

https://shop.rcbs.com/WebConnect/MainServlet?storeId=webconnect&catalogId=webconnect&langId=en_US&action=ProductDisplay&screenlabel=index&productId=4300&route=C09J043N023

That is the only Taper crimp die I found in 9mm. I bought it over the others because it's a Taper crimp die. But the reality is a roll crimp die removes the bell just fine. I have used the roll crimp and the taper crimp die for removing the flare in .380 and I can't tell a difference. If you have a 9mm die that seats the bullet in .380 fine then I would try both in both stations and see how you like it.

I definitely prefer seating and crimping in 2 different steps, especially when playing around with different styles/weights of bullets. Horandy makes a 9mm taper crimp die (i have one, works great), but I have no idea if it would work for .380.

thorn


Yeah, Horandy has this one for 9mm-38

http://www.hornady.com/store/38-Cal-9mm-Taper-Crimp-Die-1-Each/

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=538099

Midway has it in stock too... I want to give Horrady a call to ask if they think it will work for .380 ACP, which I think it should.

Colorado4Wheel
09-14-2011, 21:33
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=475153

If not just get the RCBS and use it as a Crimp Die only.

Beanie-Bean
09-14-2011, 21:45
May I ask why the Dillon dies were not considered for use? I saw that they also sell the dies separately, and the .380 Auto crimp die is listed at $22.45 on their site.

Here you go:
http://www.dillonprecision.com/#/content/p/9/pid/24483/catid/4/Dillon_Crimp_Dies

thorn137
09-14-2011, 21:46
That's a safe bet for sure - RCBS are certainly good dies.

@ Beanie - no particular reason, I just don't think "Dillon" when thinking about dies. Which of course, is odd, considering they make a lot of dies along with all those presses.

thorn

Beanie-Bean
09-14-2011, 22:07
Thanks, thorn--I'm always learning something when I visit this forum.

Boxerglocker
09-14-2011, 22:21
May I ask why the Dillon dies were not considered for use? I saw that they also sell the dies separately, and the .380 Auto crimp die is listed at $22.45 on their site.

Here you go:
http://www.dillonprecision.com/#/content/p/9/pid/24483/catid/4/Dillon_Crimp_Dies

I already had dies, got the Horandys for cheap using a gift coupon last year. Loading plated bullets they are not an issue, seating/crimping at the same time. These moly coated ones however could be an issue as they are significantly oversized.
I'll probably go with something from Midway. As much as I like Dillon, buying one or two pieces from them after shipping like being violated. I hope Horandy says the 9mm-38 taper crimp will work, would like to have a matching set. Though in the end really doesn't matter.

Beanie-Bean
09-14-2011, 22:34
I already had dies, got the Horandys for cheap using a gift coupon last year. Loading plated bullets they are not an issue, seating/crimping at the same time. These moly coated ones however could be an issue as they are significantly oversized.
I'll probably go with something from Midway. As much as I like Dillon, buying one or two pieces from them after shipping like being violated. I hope Horandy says the 9mm-38 taper crimp will work, would like to have a matching set. Though in the end really doesn't matter.

Understood. I have a set of the Hornady New Dimension dies in .40, and would like to get another Hornady die for the taper crimp, so that I can use it on both the SS and 550 presses. That would keep the set matched by brand.

Didn't know about the Dillon shipping charges--all my Dillon equipment has either come from Graf's or Brian Enos, and their shipping is not too bad.

Colorado4Wheel
09-15-2011, 06:59
To avoid paying shipping from Dillon just order from Brian Enos. Of course you will have to get a new SDB or 550 to reach $400 but that's probably worth it.

Boxerglocker
09-20-2011, 15:38
So as a follow-up, I got the time to call Horandy today. Their 9mm-38 cal taper crimp die, will NOT work with .380 ACP according to their techs the body is too long, taper too high within the to reach the .380 ACP case crimp zone.
I'm gonna go with the Dillon crimp die, next time I'm inclined to make an order.