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ccoorreeyy
09-16-2011, 15:14
Today was my first real range day with the new Boberg XR9-S. *Long story short, this is a awesome gun!

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Boberg/1st%20Range%20Day%209-16-11/DSC_0001.jpg

I put 5 different types of ammo thru it. *
50 rounds of 124gr. Gold Dots
50 rounds of 124gr. HST +p
50 rounds of 115gr. Silver Tips (1 malfunction)
50 rounds of 124gr. Nato FMJ
100 rounds of 115gr. Bulk FMJ

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Boberg/1st%20Range%20Day%209-16-11/DSC_0003.jpg

300 rounds total were shot (well 299) and I had no hand pain what so ever. *I feel that if you wanted to the gun and your hand would have Zero problems shooting a 1000 rounds in a day. *It’s unlike some of the other heavy hitting pocket guns out there in that it does not abuse your hand. *The XR9-S IMO has softer recoil than guns like the Kahr PM9, KelTec PF-9 and the Rohrbaugh R9 (yes I have owned and shot each quite a bit). *The back strap contour is very comfortable and I feel this aids in its shooting comfort level. *The Boberg points naturally and the sites are outstanding for a pocket pistol.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Boberg/1st%20Range%20Day%209-16-11/DSC_0006.jpg

Its easy to see that the gun is loaded by looking in the window. *The rim of the bullet can easily be seen. *

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Boberg/1st%20Range%20Day%209-16-11/DSC_0012.jpg

The mags load fairly easy up until round 7, it’s a bit stiff then. *As a side note, *loading the mags “backwards” and without a follower seems strange at first. *After the 7th or 8th reload I thought nothing of it. *Accuracy was better than I expected from such a small gun. *I do believe that it can out shoot me (I’m just a OK shot). *I fired all rounds today at a range of 10 yards. *I started each type of ammo on a fresh target and had 7 shot groups ranging from 2”-5”. * *

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Boberg/1st%20Range%20Day%209-16-11/IMAG0163.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Boberg/1st%20Range%20Day%209-16-11/IMAG0164.jpg

ccoorreeyy
09-16-2011, 15:14
I did have one bullet malfunction on the 121st shot of the day.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Boberg/1st%20Range%20Day%209-16-11/DSC_0014.jpg

It would have been the 135th plus ever how many shots were fired thru it for factory testing since it was clean. * *A Winchester Silver Tip bullet separated from its case somewhere during its travel from the magazine to the chamber. *Clearing the jam was simple. *I flipped the gun upside down, pulled the slide back and both the bullet and case along with some of the gun powder fell out. *

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Boberg/1st%20Range%20Day%209-16-11/DSC_0015.jpg

There was a good bit of gun powder left in the action. *Since no one was shooting at me (Thank God), I decided to pause the range session long enough to field strip it (it’s very, *very simple) and clean it before firing any more rounds. *

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Boberg/1st%20Range%20Day%209-16-11/DSC_0016.jpg

Later I spoke with Arne Boberg about it and he advised that it could have been a poor crip job on the bullet or possibly a dirty chamber causing a pressure spike. * He said that a pressure spike would cause the slide to cycle much faster than usual and that could have caused the separation. *He recommends that if your going to shoot it a lot at the range to take a bore snake or brush with you and run it thru the barrel ever 100 rounds or so. *Once back home I got out the owners manual *to see the recommended oiling points again. *The owners manual is fantastic. http://www.bobergarms.com/profiles/blogs/owner-s-manual
Directions and photos are spot on. *I did notice from the fired cases I looked at, around 50 or so, that all had good deep primer strikes. *There were some dings and marks on all of the fired cases I looked at.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Boberg/1st%20Range%20Day%209-16-11/DSC_0009.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Boberg/1st%20Range%20Day%209-16-11/DSC_0010.jpg

I'm not a reloader so case condition is not a big deal to me AFTER it's shot. *I have no idea if the marks would affect it's ability to be reloaded.

After shooting the Boberg XR9-S today I like it even more. *It is a fantastic gun. *Arne has hit a home run with the design and manufacture of his dream. *The fit and finish are top notch. *This gun will rank VERY high in world that already has some really nice guns on the market. *If your looking for a pocket 9mm I don’t think there is a better one available. * (for people that know me that’s saying A LOT) *I feel very lucky to have received one of the first Bobergs *from the first batch of guns to be shipped out. *If you can’t tell I am a very proud XR9-S owner.

http://www.bobergarms.com/

EDIT: I forgot to add that the trigger pull is smooooooooth. I don't have a trigger pull scale but I would say that the advertised 5.5lb pull sounds / feels spot on. I have also been asked if it truly is pocketable gun. I have a Meco front pocket holster that I am using and I have no problem with it i the front pocket of my jeans and cargo shorts. (I'll take a picture of it in the pocket tomorrow.

Bruce M
09-16-2011, 15:36
Thanks very much for the report.

xaman
09-16-2011, 16:14
Thanks for the great report. But youll get no thanks from my Mrs for making me want to spend money on yet another tiny 9 :D

Adjuster
09-16-2011, 16:26
That is a great looking carry gun. Did you buy it retail at a shop? They want around a $1,000.00 for it is that correct?

gruntmedik
09-16-2011, 16:29
Nice review. :thumbsup:

Maybe I just overlooked it, but I don't see a price on their site. I see where you can pre-order, but didn't see a price. I'm very interested, but not enough to pre-order without knowing the cost.

Gregg702
09-16-2011, 16:31
Sounds awesome, where did you pick it up? I may have to order one.

Shadyscott69
09-16-2011, 16:36
I need 10 of you guys to buy one and then order a holster from me. Then I will HAVE to buy one... you know to make holsters. :whistling:

garyjandfamily
09-16-2011, 16:36
I'm way more interested than I should be, but:

How's the trigger? Length/weight of pull, crispness of break, etc.

Thanks for the report. (My budget say thanks for nuttin..)

Berto
09-16-2011, 17:31
Thanks for the report, it's an interesting pistol for sure.

NeverMore1701
09-16-2011, 18:28
Very interesting little gun. Is it pocketable?

G26S239
09-16-2011, 19:46
That is great! Congratulations! :thumbsup:

Palouse
09-16-2011, 20:01
Cool pistol...thanks for taking the time for the write up. I want one.

bac1023
09-16-2011, 20:23
Thanks for the review.

ccoorreeyy
09-16-2011, 20:25
I added the following info to the original post. I forgot to add that the trigger pull is smooooooooth. I don't have a trigger pull scale but I would say that the advertised 5.5lb pull sounds / feels spot on. I have also been asked if it truly is pocketable gun. I have a Meco front pocket holster that I am using and I have no problem with it i the front pocket of my jeans and cargo shorts. (I'll take a picture of it in the pocket tomorrow)

ccoorreeyy
09-16-2011, 20:27
Nice review. :thumbsup:

Maybe I just overlooked it, but I don't see a price on their site. I see where you can pre-order, but didn't see a price. I'm very interested, but not enough to pre-order without knowing the cost.

$949

Expensive, yes. Worth it, heck yea!

ccoorreeyy
09-16-2011, 20:35
Sounds awesome, where did you pick it up? I may have to order one.

As of now the only way to get one is to order directly from Boberg arms. I think the pre-order list is fairly long so it might take a while to get one. If your interested I would advise getting on the list before the reviews start hitting the gun magazines. Here is a link to their pre-order page. http://www.bobergarms.com/page/pre-order-request-form

I got in on the list in February of 2008 when Arne brought the prototype to the shot show. It's been a long wait but I feel it has been well worth it!

ccoorreeyy
09-16-2011, 20:39
Here is a picture of my Seecamp with it's new companion the Boberg.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Boberg/IMAG0162.jpg

and since this is glockvill here it sits with a 22

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Boberg/IMAG0158.jpg

Sonnytoo
09-16-2011, 20:53
Well, it is a short gun.

If you are a undercover cop, it's probably really a good thing. But I can conceal my 1911 Officer's model or my Walther PPS, IWB, without any hassle. I don't have the need to carry a pocket pistol.
Looks like the Secamp that was hot for so many years.
S2

ronin.45
09-16-2011, 21:20
I like it!

Thanks for the write-up.

xaman
09-16-2011, 21:29
Okay okay, I just got on the list :)

ccoorreeyy
09-17-2011, 17:20
Here it sits in its Meco holster and then both in my pocket.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Boberg/IMAG0167.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/Boberg/IMAG0168.jpg

Adjuster
09-17-2011, 18:12
I think that it is a very nice looking gun and I hope it passes the reliability tests for everyone. I want one myself just from what we know already. I want to open for discussion however the $1,000.00 price tag. The price reminds me of the FN 5.7. Are there any features or new design considerations that command the price tag? Or are they just asking that price because they think they can get it?

bac1023
09-17-2011, 19:47
I wouldn't mine getting one myself.

ccoorreeyy
09-17-2011, 20:04
I think that it is a very nice looking gun and I hope it passes the reliability tests for everyone. I want one myself just from what we know already. I want to open for discussion however the $1,000.00 price tag. The price reminds me of the FN 5.7. Are there any features or new design considerations that command the price tag? Or are they just asking that price because they think they can get it?

It is a completely new design. Nothing like it anywhere!

Check out it's action here. http://www.bobergarms.com/video/boberg-xr9-patentpending-feed-1

http://api.ning.com/files/3hJJ81Xiql3n4GINLVl4IHRaS7d79hXb4W3aCNuopqh259sxkPpRgxpgFg1elABvjHEvpDQdqrUlCbcSMuj2LQIHQync16h3/cross_sec1.jpg

bac1023
09-17-2011, 20:05
I think that it is a very nice looking gun and I hope it passes the reliability tests for everyone. I want one myself just from what we know already. I want to open for discussion however the $1,000.00 price tag. The price reminds me of the FN 5.7. Are there any features or new design considerations that command the price tag? Or are they just asking that price because they think they can get it?

They will get the price, much like Rohrbaugh.

ccoorreeyy
09-18-2011, 14:41
200 more rounds today with wwb ammo. Worked perfect. I did run a brush about a 100 rounds or so this time. Two of my buddies shot it this time with me and one will be putting his name on the order list tonight. Both guys really liked it.

JRS
09-18-2011, 16:22
Another gun that I thought would never see market but did. Great design. I love to see subs with a lip on the mag baseplate too. *added to the list*

March817
09-19-2011, 00:24
It is a completely new design. Nothing like it anywhere!

Check out it's action here. http://www.bobergarms.com/video/boberg-xr9-patentpending-feed-1

http://api.ning.com/files/3hJJ81Xiql3n4GINLVl4IHRaS7d79hXb4W3aCNuopqh259sxkPpRgxpgFg1elABvjHEvpDQdqrUlCbcSMuj2LQIHQync16h3/cross_sec1.jpg
Really neat. Makes me think of a PKM, but concealable.:cool:

austin_tx
09-19-2011, 01:20
Very nice. Thanks for the review. Going to have to consider one of these at some point.

The Pirate
09-19-2011, 13:33
Nice to see somebody doing something new, the action on it is crazy in that video. I'm sold.

vafish
09-19-2011, 16:16
It is a completely new design. Nothing like it anywhere!

Check out it's action here. http://www.bobergarms.com/video/boberg-xr9-patentpending-feed-1

http://api.ning.com/files/3hJJ81Xiql3n4GINLVl4IHRaS7d79hXb4W3aCNuopqh259sxkPpRgxpgFg1elABvjHEvpDQdqrUlCbcSMuj2LQIHQync16h3/cross_sec1.jpg

Does the barrel rotate to lock and unlock?

Or is it a straight blow back?

ccoorreeyy
09-21-2011, 17:23
It is a rotating barrel. Makes recoil seem much softer compared to other sub compact 9mm's

M&P15T
09-22-2011, 08:54
A $1000 pocket pistol? Hell no, count me out.

For $1000 I'd get a G19 and tons of ammo to practice with, have more capacity and a longer barrel.

But then, limiting one's pistol choices based on wanting to "pocket carry" has never made much logical sense to me.

Laserlips
11-05-2011, 09:17
A $1000 pocket pistol? Hell no, count me out.
For $1000 I'd get a G19 and tons of ammo to practice with, have more capacity and a longer barrel.
But then, limiting one's pistol choices based on wanting to "pocket carry" has never made much logical sense to me.



M&P:

Well, I'll be the "Devil's Advocate" here.. :whistling:

I think MOST of the folks who have an interest in the Boberg XR9-S would say the Glock 19 is not really a "pocket pistol" anyway. But, depending on how large your pockets are, I could be wrong about that.

I can say the Glock 19 would not fit in MY pockets.

Additionally Glock pistols are very good. But some people (like myself) wouldn't have one if you gave it to 'em. I had a Glock 26, didn't care for the grip ergonomics, nor the trigger.

The "more" part as to capacity and longer barrel are two things that make the Glock a very poor choice for anybody's "pocket pistol".

Additionally, when you are finished burning up all of those "tons" of practice ammo you could afford by not buying a Boberg XR9-S you wind up with a Glock 19.

Which is pretty much worthless as a pocket pistol....

Not saying the Glock is not a very good pistol..

I am saying it's not a very good choice for a "pocket pistol"..

As to the question "why would anyone limit a pistol choice based on wanting to "pocket carry"?

Quite simple.

A person who will limit his/her pistol choice based on wanting to "pocket carry" obviously is looking to CARRY A PISTOL IN HIS/HER pocket...

Therefore all considerations much be small enough to FIT in the POCKET..

No offense, just making conversation.

Jesse

DaBurna
11-05-2011, 14:13
Shooters who use their support hand index finger over the triggerguard BEWARE!!! :wow: U'll get Boberged! lol :tongueout:

On a serious note... One of the most promising lil pieces that I've seen in a while! A .40 cal would probably not be fun to shoot in this platform....

ccoorreeyy
11-05-2011, 20:46
I think a 40 would be just fine in this platform. The 9 recoil is very soft in the boberg. +p are not even bad.

Sgt127
11-06-2011, 06:24
This is the second time I have heard of that happening. I guess the loading action is acting as a kinetic bullet puller. It would not have occured to me that it could do that especially with a light 115 GR bullet like the silver tip. I would have thought premium ammo would have a better crimp, or a sealent on the case mouth. I think finding some ammo like that would solve the problem.

CBennett
11-06-2011, 06:48
They will get the price, much like Rohrbaugh.

Agreed, and seemingly UNLIKE the Rorhbaugh..it will go for more than 100 rounds without the manufacturer saying its meant to look and be carried but not shot....At least im assuming this is so.

CBennett
11-06-2011, 06:51
M&P:

Well, I'll be the "Devil's Advocate" here.. :whistling:

I think MOST of the folks who have an interest in the Boberg XR9-S would say the Glock 19 is not really a "pocket pistol" anyway. But, depending on how large your pockets are, I could be wrong about that.

I can say the Glock 19 would not fit in MY pockets.

Additionally Glock pistols are very good. But some people (like myself) wouldn't have one if you gave it to 'em. I had a Glock 26, didn't care for the grip ergonomics, nor the trigger.

The "more" part as to capacity and longer barrel are two things that make the Glock a very poor choice for anybody's "pocket pistol".

Additionally, when you are finished burning up all of those "tons" of practice ammo you could afford by not buying a Boberg XR9-S you wind up with a Glock 19.

Which is pretty much worthless as a pocket pistol....

Not saying the Glock is not a very good pistol..

I am saying it's not a very good choice for a "pocket pistol"..

As to the question "why would anyone limit a pistol choice based on wanting to "pocket carry"?

Quite simple.

A person who will limit his/her pistol choice based on wanting to "pocket carry" obviously is looking to CARRY A PISTOL IN HIS/HER pocket...

Therefore all considerations much be small enough to FIT in the POCKET..

No offense, just making conversation.

Jesse


My thoughts exactly. I was a GIANT Glock fan...till I actually OWNED one and that made me realize their grips and way they are shaped in the grips(the angle i guess) are just not good. Ive NEVER felt a more UNcomfortable pistol in my hand than a Glock(with the sole exception of the Glock 36 which for some reason fits a bit better...maybe cause its thnner??) Glock does not make a "pocket" pistol ive never had a pair of pants or jeans on even a 26/27 would fit in comfortably or unobtrusively.

flyandscuba
01-09-2012, 13:45
I think that I've just about convinced Arne Boberg to design and produce a Boberg 45 -- in 45 GAP! :supergrin:

http://www.bobergarms.com/forum/topics/45-gap-boberg

ronin.45
01-09-2012, 15:16
I think that I've just about convinced Arne Boberg to design and produce a Boberg 45 -- in 45 GAP! :supergrin:

http://www.bobergarms.com/forum/topics/45-gap-boberg

That would be pretty expensive to tool up for a new size just to sell 3 guns!

flyandscuba
01-09-2012, 15:22
Why do you think he will only sell three? Glock keeps selling the G37, G38, and G39 -- even an original skeptic and typical "45 ACP is fine naysayer" like me ended up buying two G39s. Once I shot it -- I was a convert to the benefits of the smaller cartridge. The 45 ACP is still old reliable -- but when someone is seeking to get the most power in the smallest package, the 45 GAP will win out in the design.

Gym
03-31-2012, 10:36
It's just too much money for what is the latest in an on going battle to make mini guns. It is the shooter, not the gun, in most cases who determines who is going to make it alive out of a gunfight. When things get too small they get harder to locate in times of stress.A glock 26 is about as small as I would go, with an lcp as a bug. at 9.4 ozs it can be justified carrying a second gun, thus your hand is already on the weapon if there is a situation about to happen. This eliminates the displaying of a larger gun possiblly for no reason. At close distances I can pull my lcp and empty it in less time than a normal guy can locate his weapon, as my hand is on it going in. Getting my larger 1911 out is then easily done as you distance yourself from the incident.
No matter if you carry 40 years, like I have or 1 year, it takes a lot of practice to remove your gun and get into the firing stage quicklly, under normal "walking around" circumstances. Having owned a seecamp when they first came out, 15 years ago, they were realy too small. Fumbling around in your pocket with that toy could get you killed, unless you practice constatntlly with it, how many really do. Even a glock or Kahr in an iwb holster takes a second to get out "with practice" go and time yourself, you may be very suprised. The law enfocement agencies demand you are able to get your first shot off in a second or under. Can you?

M&P15T
03-31-2012, 11:23
It would be awesome if you could chronograph some different SD loads through it.

Since the basic concept is to get a decent size barrel in a very short package, and since 9MM is best with higher velocities, it would be nice to see some chrono numbers.

High Altitude
03-31-2012, 13:11
Congrats to Boberg!

If it is reliable, they will sell every single pistol they make.

Shadyscott69
03-31-2012, 19:30
That would be pretty expensive to tool up for a new size just to sell 3 guns!

:rofl: Agreed.

Caver 60
03-31-2012, 22:33
Glad I put my name on the waiting list a couple weeks ago. Wonder how long I'll have to wait? The price doesn't bother me.

I considered a Rohrbaugh for awhile, but for the reasons some have stated above and several other reasons I have rejected the Rohrbaugh.

The fact it can be pocket carried is a plus for the Boberg, but not the primary reason I want one. I like small light pistols. No sense carrying a 'brick' or a 'block'. If I want to cary something heavy I'll move up and carry one of my 45's.

Plus its soft recoiling (not that recoil bothers this old magnum shooter) and has a relatively long barrel for such a small pistol. What's not to like about it? I think it'll probably replace my PM9 one of these days.

Bruce M
04-01-2012, 09:16
Does anyone have any idea how close to production they are?

Caver 60
04-01-2012, 14:14
According to their website they are producing about 80 a month. Remember this is an old thread that has been bumped up. I checked the pre-order queue they are are moving along. The names that were there a month ago are not there now, and it has advanced. I think it's up to September last year on the wait list. Current price is 995 bucks.

Spend some time on the website.

http://www.bobergarms.com/

Other things that give it the edge over the Rohrbaugh in my book is the fact it can be shot a lot and it is plus P rated. Wish it came in all black, but that's the way it goes.

Only heard about two significant problems. One is the afore mentioned bullet pulling with some ammo. He has a list of ammo that has produced problems on the website. The round is moved backwards during feeding with a force of 2,000 G's if I remember correctly. That's a lot of force.

And a couple of people have complained about getting hit with ejected brass. I think he is working on that problem.

ETA Just looked for that 2,000 G figure, and I can't find it now. but I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere. I also read he's making some changes to lighten the force a little.