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Shadyscott69
09-17-2011, 18:25
40 S&W... 165 PD FMJ over 4.8 grains of W231 with CCI primer.

Gonna crono these reduced loads tomorrow. Whatchathink?

Boxerglocker
09-17-2011, 18:33
4 inch barrel 900 FPS, 5 inch 940-950 FPS

Free holster for the closest? :whistling:

freakshow10mm
09-17-2011, 18:34
That's a starting charge in Hodgdon's manual. 946fps.

Shadyscott69
09-17-2011, 18:42
That's a starting charge in Hodgdon's manual. 946fps.

Really. My manuals all show 5.2 as starting loads. If you are right, that would put my PF at 156. Much higher than I was looking for.

Have any suggestions for about 800 fps with 231? I think the volume will be too low for any consistency at all.

Shadyscott69
09-17-2011, 18:43
4 inch barrel 900 FPS, 5 inch 940-950 FPS

Free holster for the closest? :whistling:

I would but I get in trouble when I do something like that. :crying:

fredj338
09-17-2011, 19:23
Ok, if I have to guess, around 920fps in a 4". What does the winner get?????

freakshow10mm
09-17-2011, 19:48
Really. My manuals all show 5.2 as starting loads. If you are right, that would put my PF at 156. Much higher than I was looking for.

Have any suggestions for about 800 fps with 231? I think the volume will be too low for any consistency at all.
5.3gr is Max in the Hodgdon 2011 manual for 1,001fps.

If you're looking for 800fps with that powder take the ratio of actual powder to max powder and multiply it by the max FPS to get an idea.

Let's say 4.2/5.3= .792 x 1001 = 793fps. So 4.2gr should get you close to 800fps.

Powder and velocity aren't linear, but it's a ballpark estimate to use on the fly. Try 4.2gr and see where you go, adjust accordingly.

Shadyscott69
09-17-2011, 19:58
5.3gr is Max in the Hodgdon 2011 manual for 1,001fps.

If you're looking for 800fps with that powder take the ratio of actual powder to max powder and multiply it by the max FPS to get an idea.

Let's say 4.2/5.3= .792 x 1001 = 793fps. So 4.2gr should get you close to 800fps.

Powder and velocity aren't linear, but it's a ballpark estimate to use on the fly. Try 4.2gr and see where you go, adjust accordingly.


Interesting. My Lyman #49 lists 5.8gr as max at 1050 fps and starting load as 5.2 gr for 937 fps. That is quite a difference.

Thanks for the formula. I will copy that in one of my manuals for future use. I will load up a few at 4.2 and give them a try tomorrow as well. Thanks!

justinsaneok
09-18-2011, 19:17
921 Bob! LOL

justinsaneok
09-18-2011, 19:20
40 S&W... 165 PD FMJ over 4.8 grains of W231 with CCI primer.

Gonna crono these reduced loads tomorrow. Whatchathink?

What brand bullet? I shoot rainiers at 5.1 grains. 958 fps

sourdough44
09-19-2011, 13:35
<800 fps average.

dt3ft
09-19-2011, 14:53
890 fps

Zombie Steve
09-19-2011, 15:07
One dollar.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x214/sbecht/bob-barker.png

dt3ft
09-21-2011, 18:00
so...who won?

Shadyscott69
09-21-2011, 19:13
I was shooting a G23. The 4.8 load came in right at 950 fps. The 4.2 load came in at about 740. The 4.2 load was very soft but turned the gun into a single shot. Not enough *** to cycle the slide.

Loaded some Berry's plated 180's tonight with the 4.8 load and they are very soft shooting and the gun will run. Unfortunately, I broke the Hell out of my LnL tonight. But that is a subject for another thread. :steamed:

firefighter4215
09-21-2011, 19:25
I just got a sample pack of Precision Delta 165 grain FMJ's. I used the exact combination you did for the 4.8 grains of 231 load, along with a few other combinations. I'm interested to see how they do out of my G27, hopefully this weekend if it doesn't rain.

DWARREN123
09-21-2011, 19:32
896 FPS, what do I win? :tongueout:

Colorado4Wheel
09-21-2011, 19:35
I guessed "Broken LnL" a long time ago. Do I win anything?


Shadyscott, Sorry your LnL broke.

Shadyscott69
09-21-2011, 19:56
I guessed "Broken LnL" a long time ago. Do I win anything?


Shadyscott, Sorry your LnL broke.

:rofl::rofl:

I really broke it. As in broken and bent metal. I was about 300 rounds in just clicking along when something jammed on the upstroke. Evidently I am nearly as strong as Jack. Without forcing anything :whistling:, I sheared the roller off the primer shuttle, bent the crap out of the actuator rod and in general, mucked things up. Unfortunately, I will now have to buy ammo to shoot this weekend. I don't think Hornady is going to overnight me the parts to get it fixed in time. I am shooting the IDPA match here in Columbia Saturday and we are leaving for the match in GA at 6 am Sunday. I REALLY HATE buying ammo!

GioaJack
09-22-2011, 12:03
I was shooting a G23. The 4.8 load came in right at 950 fps. The 4.2 load came in at about 740. The 4.2 load was very soft but turned the gun into a single shot. Not enough *** to cycle the slide.

Loaded some Berry's plated 180's tonight with the 4.8 load and they are very soft shooting and the gun will run. Unfortunately, I broke the Hell out of my LnL tonight. But that is a subject for another thread. :steamed:


I've warned you people about letting Zombie Steve into your loading room... it never ends well.

The roller is held on by the pin that goes into the side of the primer shuttle and if you force it that's usually what pops out then puts a strain on the rod and bends. Doesn't happen very often, (the only time I've ever had it happen was at the hands of the infamous Zombie.)

When Hornady ships the parts to you you'll have to take the press off the bench, one end of the rod attaches to the underside of the press.

After you get it up and running again wait a couple of weeks then call Hornady and tell 'em you broke it again. Always good to have a few spare parts around... they're very good about sending out parts. They've always been a pleasure to deal with.

Next time you see Zombie approaching your house just shoot him a little... that usually chases him off.


Jack

Zombie Steve
09-22-2011, 16:16
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x214/sbecht/Jack.jpg

Shadyscott69
09-22-2011, 16:56
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I've warned you people about letting Zombie Steve into your loading room... it never ends well.

The roller is held on by the pin that goes into the side of the primer shuttle and if you force it that's usually what pops out then puts a strain on the rod and bends. Doesn't happen very often, (the only time I've ever had it happen was at the hands of the infamous Zombie.)

When Hornady ships the parts to you you'll have to take the press off the bench, one end of the rod attaches to the underside of the press.

After you get it up and running again wait a couple of weeks then call Hornady and tell 'em you broke it again. Always good to have a few spare parts around... they're very good about sending out parts. They've always been a pleasure to deal with.

Next time you see Zombie approaching your house just shoot him a little... that usually chases him off.


Jack

Thanks Jack. Yesterday, I bought a jug of Unique in your honor.

Called Hornady today. Parts are on the way, no questions asked. Hold time: 3 seconds

Excellent customer service

Note to self: Shoot Steve a little if he come around. Got it.

Colorado4Wheel
09-22-2011, 17:25
That would be ZOMBIE STEVE. Not Steve. Thank you very much.

Shadyscott69
09-22-2011, 17:28
That would be ZOMBIE STEVE. Not Steve. Thank you very much.

Dully noted, sir. :rofl:

Zombie Steve
09-22-2011, 18:52
Jack doesn't know which one's which, so what does it matter? I broke his LNL, you broke your LNL... it gets confusing.

Shadyscott69
09-22-2011, 18:58
Jack doesn't know which one's which, so what does it matter? I broke his LNL, you broke your LNL... it gets confusing.

I stay in a perpetual state of confusion. Did you break my LnL, or was it Jack?

Zombie Steve
09-22-2011, 19:00
Jack's fault!!!

Shadyscott69
09-22-2011, 19:17
Jack's fault!!!

I just want to know which one of you guys is coming over to fix it!

GioaJack
09-22-2011, 19:27
Zombie Steve has tried calling me 3 times today but I've been on the phone with the ladies. I was considerate enough to at least look at the screen to see who was calling... then I ignored the calls.

If nothing else I am a man who has his priorities in order.

Oh, look at that, one of the ladies, (the Texas one), is calling again. See ya.

(Hi beautiful, I was jest tellin' the boys about you. Naw, they can go screw themselves...)


Jack

Colorado4Wheel
09-22-2011, 19:28
Other then unbolting the press, it's a easy fix.

Was the press dirty? What do you think caused the slider to jam?

Shadyscott69
09-22-2011, 19:47
Other then unbolting the press, it's a easy fix.

Was the press dirty? What do you think caused the slider to jam?

Yeah, it's nothing to fix. I took it apart last night. I am disappointed in that I had it running so well, sometimes I couldn't even feel the primers seat. Just butter. I had everything polished and fitted like a $5k 1911.

I think the actuator rod was the root of the problem. I am pretty sure it was never quite right. I would have to monkey with the adjustment every 400 rounds or so. I think the out-of-wackness caused a flat spot on the roller that was causing it to bind up just enough to require a little extra push on the up stroke. Kind of a tight spot, if you will.

On the fatal stroke, it stuck a little more than usual. I said to myself, "what would Jack do?" So using all the wit and knowledge I could summon from my oxygen starved mentor, I placed my size 13 boot on the handle and pushed with all my might. And the rest is history. :whistling:

Colorado4Wheel
09-22-2011, 19:55
LoL. Great story.

Zombie Steve
09-23-2011, 08:21
Zombie Steve has tried calling me 3 times today but I've been on the phone with the ladies. I was considerate enough to at least look at the screen to see who was calling... then I ignored the calls.


Jack

First call, I thought I'd do my community service and give him a shout, let him tell me everything he knows (again) and pretend I'm interested and learning. Never got his voice mail before. Hmmm. Maybe I'll try again. Voice mail again. So I drove up to Conifer to see if he really kicked the bucket thinking I could grab some lead, his 20 pound RCBS pot and at least one 1050. Alas, he was there the whole time. I thought he saw me peeking in the window, so I called again on the drive down the mountain to pretend I was home. He still didn't answer, so I figured I'd just go home and rack my Oktoberfest. Should bottle it today (I reload beer bottles too).

Colorado4Wheel
09-23-2011, 08:29
Chili Festival in Pueblo tonight. I am going to drink some Chili Beer.

ursoboostd
09-23-2011, 08:35
so I figured I'd just go home and rack my Oktoberfest. Should bottle it today (I reload beer bottles too).

I've been thinking about brewing beer for a long time now. It's only a matter of time before I get into it.

Zombie Steve
09-23-2011, 08:41
Steve - that's nasty. Make sure to bring some Zantac.

freakshow10mm
09-23-2011, 08:57
so I figured I'd just go home and rack my Oktoberfest. Should bottle it today (I reload beer bottles too).
Bottling sucks. You need to start kegging. Much less hassle, more control over carbonation, and pulling a pint from a kegerator is just plain awesome. Cuts packaging time into a fraction of bottling. When I rack into a Corny, it's maybe 15 minutes and I'm done. Bottling took 2 hours. I'm done bottling.
I've been thinking about brewing beer for a long time now. It's only a matter of time before I get into it.
Do it man. One of the most rewarding hobbies. Cry once and get good equipment right from the start. PM me and I can give you some advice on equipment.

Zombie Steve
09-23-2011, 09:17
Even if I'm doing it myself, it only takes me an hour to bottle a 5 gallon batch. Usually the wife bottles and I cap 'em. Easy.

No room for a keg either. AND, I have the added snobby benefit of calling my beer "bottle conditioned". :supergrin:

ursoboostd
09-23-2011, 10:59
Do it man. One of the most rewarding hobbies. Cry once and get good equipment right from the start. PM me and I can give you some advice on equipment.

I'll shoot ya a PM later. Thanks!

I always joke with my friends and say " Well, I make my own music and my own ammo. I guess beer has to be next."

Here is what the fridge in my garage looks like now. I'd love to have some of my own brew in there!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/ursoboostd/stuff/frig009.jpg

freakshow10mm
09-23-2011, 22:04
If you decide on bottling to start, be sure to save those Sierra Nevada and Sam Adams bottles. The crown caps are the one you want. The twist off are too thin of glass and can't take the pressure of bottle conditioning.

ursoboostd
09-24-2011, 07:29
If you decide on bottling to start, be sure to save those Sierra Nevada and Sam Adams bottles. The crown caps are the one you want. The twist off are too thin of glass and can't take the pressure of bottle conditioning.

That's the same thing my father in law told me. There are a few other brands in there that have crown caps too. Thanks for the head up.

dougader
09-24-2011, 13:33
On the 231, if you are ever loading to make minor (or major) for a match, make sure you chronograph your loads when the temperature is in the same range as it will be for your match.

WW231 is temp sensitive and if you work up your loads and test them over a chrono at 80 degrees you better be shooting them at a match when its going to be 80 degrees, too. If you run just a few fps over the desired velocity, and then show up at a match in the morning when its about 40-50 degrees out, you might just get dq'd or shoot for fun only and your scores won't count.

I used to run 231 in 9mm with a cast 125 grain bullet @ 1000 fps to make minor (125 pf). I always loaded my match loads so they averaged 1,050 to 1,075 fps. Showed up at a match and they had the chrono set up. I wasn't worried in the least, but was very shocked when I saw the numbers. They fired 3 shots and they all ran close to 1001 - 1018 fps. Just barely squeaked by...

On the beer, kegging is great but when you take a few beers to a friends house, its pretty cool to take your "bottle conditioned" brew that has been set up in champagne bottles. Martinelli apple cider bottles use crown caps, too.

gary newport
09-25-2011, 02:57
One can break a reloading press? :shocked:

I sure do hope that never happens with my Dillon! :whistling:

Shadyscott69
09-25-2011, 05:56
don't get excited. I can break a bowling ball using a Kleenex.


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