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RustyFN
09-17-2011, 20:39
It was so nice out that I set up and cast 1,000 200 grain SWC's for 45 acp. Besides I ran out the other day so I needed them bad.

crsuribe
09-17-2011, 20:46
I'm more and more interested in casting.

How do you play with the hardness of the bullet? Is there an alloy formula? I'm clueless about this lol.

Ferdinandd
09-17-2011, 20:52
I was thinking the same thing. I have about 100 lbs of ww to smelt, and I am running short on some of myh favorite projectiles. I also want to start casting for my G34.

lvl1trauma
09-17-2011, 21:01
Oh man. I am waiting for it to get a little cooler before I break out the Magma pot. First up is some Ballisticast .44's then some .416 RCBS for the Rigby. The list goes on and on...

Zombie Steve
09-17-2011, 22:22
Scored some wheel weights today. Only about 20 pounds, but it's still about 600 rounds.

Any weather is great weather for casting.

norton
09-18-2011, 07:02
Fire up the LP burner.
Its time to smelt lead!

dbarry
09-18-2011, 07:06
I didn't cast any bullets yesterday, but I made 13 lead muffins from wheelweights!

WiskyT
09-18-2011, 09:01
Thanks for reminding me. i was looking for something to do today, but didn't want to load up the car and go anywhere. A couple of hours in the garage will be perfect.

fredj338
09-18-2011, 09:10
ME too, almost out of 200gr & I have been shooting quite a bit more lately. Time to fire up the smelter too, gotta get the scrap into nice ingots for a marathin casting session. Hmm, time to mine the berm again too. I am not comfy when my lead supply dips below 1000#.

RustyFN
09-18-2011, 09:19
I'm more and more interested in casting.

How do you play with the hardness of the bullet? Is there an alloy formula? I'm clueless about this lol.

Most of us use straight wheel weights. They are perfect for just about any pistol bullet that's not magnum.

fredj338
09-18-2011, 09:26
Most of us use straight wheel weights. They are perfect for just about any pistol bullet that's not magnum.
Getting harder to find anymore too. WW work great for magnum rounds as well Rusty, just water drop them to get the BHN up. For anyone that cast their own, this is a great site w/ tons of info. http://www.lasc.us/CastBulletNotes.htm It's always more about hte bullet fit than the alloy though. I can get great results w/ aircooled ww @ magnum vel w/o leading.
As the EPA & greenies move forward, lead ww will become antiques, so if bullet casting is something you are even thinking about, start scrounging now & stack it deep. My bet is within 5yrs, the lead ww will no longer be with us in any form. Then you will have to buy alloy, not practical IMO, or mine the local shooting berm. I can pull 50# out of mine in less than 15min.
Alloy is where you find it too. I no longer hit the tire shops, they banned lead ww here almost 2yrs ago, but if I am in one I ask. I got 50# of pure lead form my dentist the other day. Boat shops, stained glass shops, contractors (roofing & plumbing lead) are all worth hitting up lead allloy.

GioaJack
09-18-2011, 10:36
Why do you all worry about weather? Don't your houses stay cool in the summer and warm in the winter?

You flatlanders are funny to watch, you're really, really strange. :whistling:


Jack

WiskyT
09-18-2011, 11:22
Why do you all worry about weather? Don't your houses stay cool in the summer and warm in the winter?

You flatlanders are funny to watch, you're really, really strange. :whistling:


Jack

Because casting in the cooler months, in the garage, is cheaper than alimony.

WiskyT
09-18-2011, 11:28
I'm more and more interested in casting.

How do you play with the hardness of the bullet? Is there an alloy formula? I'm clueless about this lol.

Don't worry about hardness. Hornady and Speer lead bullets are almost pure lead, very soft. Mine aren't much harder being made from range scrap. The key is to stay withing the limits of the lead you are using. the short version is, soft bullets are limited to light charges of fast powders, medium charges of medium powders like Unique, and you can use heavy charges of slow powders like 2400 for magnums. If you use a max load of Bullseye with a soft bullet in a high pressure round like 9mm, you will be miserable.

So, 38Spl target loads, 9 and 40 light loads, Bullseye etc will work fine. If you want +P38's, full power 9 or 40, or near max 357 magnums, you need to use Unique or similar. If you want full power magnums, you need to use a powder like 2400 or 296 etc.

This is for pistol loads. never did any rifle loads other than some really light plinkers in 30-06. I have run my soft lead bullets at over 1200fps in 357 mag with great results using 2400 and a non-gas checked bullet.

ETA: And Fred is right, bullet fit is critical. It must be as big as it can be and still chamber freely in a loaded round. An undersize bullet, like most commercial cast bullets, will almost always give bad results.

WiskyT
09-18-2011, 11:31
I just made about 1000 9mm 125TC's. Thanks Rusty:thumbsup:

RustyFN
09-18-2011, 12:37
I just made about 1000 9mm 125TC's. Thanks Rusty:thumbsup:

Glad I could help.:rofl:

WiskyT
09-18-2011, 12:53
Glad I could help.:rofl:

I listened to BB King being interviewed by Bill Wax. He was talking about how he wanted an electric guitar when he was a boy, but they didn't have electricity. I guess he didn't have a smart phone either back then.

Beanie-Bean
09-18-2011, 13:36
Thanks for the Pb information, guys.

Question: Are you shooting these rounds through stock barrels? Or do you have aftermarket barrels for these loads? I have an LWD 40-9 conversion barrel I bought for my G33 before I picked up the G26, and I'll be loading up some Speer 125 gr. L-RN loads for that setup soon.

IndyGunFreak
09-18-2011, 13:57
I just made about 1000 9mm 125TC's. Thanks Rusty:thumbsup:

I just opened a box of 1000 124gr FMJ.. :rofl:

WiskyT
09-18-2011, 14:11
Thanks for the Pb information, guys.

Question: Are you shooting these rounds through stock barrels? Or do you have aftermarket barrels for these loads? I have an LWD 40-9 conversion barrel I bought for my G33 before I picked up the G26, and I'll be loading up some Speer 125 gr. L-RN loads for that setup soon.

I use a stock barrel in 9 and 40 Glocks, they work great. Remember, you have to tailor the load to the gun and those soft bullets will lead and keyhole with fast powders if pushed even at the starting loads. The aftermarket barrel will give you more leaway in that regard. Start light so you get good results and don't instant gratification rather than frustration.

What powder do you plan on using?

WiskyT
09-18-2011, 14:13
I just opened a box of 1000 124gr FMJ.. :rofl:

Pretend you spent an hour or so in the garage and got paid $100.00 to open that box:tongueout:

IndyGunFreak
09-18-2011, 14:27
Pretend you spent an hour or so in the garage and got paid $100.00 to open that box:tongueout:

True enough...

The frugal side of me, says I should cast. The realistic side of me, says I'm gonna spend money on equipment, and it's already very difficult to find lead here (I've tried...)... so that equipment will probably be of very little, if any use, in probably 3yrs.

Kinda sucks, but that's how it is for me. If there was a decent lead supply on something other than wheel weights, I'd probably start casting.

WiskyT
09-18-2011, 14:31
True enough...

The frugal side of me, says I should cast. The realistic side of me, says I'm gonna spend money on equipment, and it's already very difficult to find lead here (I've tried...)... so that equipment will probably be of very little, if any use, in probably 3yrs.

Kinda sucks, but that's how it is for me. If there was a decent lead supply on something other than wheel weights, I'd probably start casting.

Where do you shoot? There is plenty of lead there if you can find a way to get it.

Beanie-Bean
09-18-2011, 14:46
What powder do you plan on using?

I've got load data that lists both 231 and Unique, with the latter having 0.1 gr. of extra range (3.8-4.1 for 231, 4.1-4.5 for Unique.) with an 1.130" COL.

I'm not trying to see how hot I could get the load, just trying not to blow up any guns or lose any body parts. I ordered 200 of those Speer bullets from Midway on sale for about $7/box of 100, so it'll be nice to use them. I've never tried any non-jacketed or plated stuff through the Glock barrels, so I may just chicken out and use the LWD.

WiskyT
09-18-2011, 14:51
I've got load data that lists both 231 and Unique, with the latter having 0.1 gr. of extra range (3.8-4.1 for 231, 4.1-4.5 for Unique.) with an 1.130" COL.

I'm not trying to see how hot I could get the load, just trying not to blow up any guns or lose any body parts. I ordered 200 of those Speer bullets from Midway on sale for about $7/box of 100, so it'll be nice to use them. I've never tried any non-jacketed or plated stuff through the Glock barrels, so I may just chicken out and use the LWD.

The bottom end of the data you showed should work fine regarding leading. The top end should work well too. The lower end MAY not cycle the gun depending on how you grip the gun etc. I would load 20 at 4.1 Unique. It should work great and then you can load the rest as you see fit.

I have an older buddy I shoot with and he has loaded some rounds that wouldn't cycle for him, but ran fine for me, out of his gun, since he doesn't have the hand strenght he did and he has a hard time not bending his arms.

Beanie-Bean
09-18-2011, 14:57
The bottom end of the data you showed should work fine regarding leading. The top end should work well too. The lower end MAY not cycle the gun depending on how you grip the gun etc. I would load 20 at 4.1 Unique. It should work great and then you can load the rest as you see fit.

I have an older buddy I shoot with and he has loaded some rounds that wouldn't cycle for him, but ran fine for me, out of his gun, since he doesn't have the hand strenght he did and he has a hard time not bending his arms.

Thanks, Wisky! I'll see how the lead stuff goes, and if it goes well, I may try to get some more of those rounds if they haven't sold all of them. Then, maybe I can look at getting some casting equipment. Other things in front of that on the list, though, like the 10mm Glock I still have to purchase, cabinets and tool chests for the garage, more dies, toolheads,... :)

IndyGunFreak
09-18-2011, 18:15
Where do you shoot? There is plenty of lead there if you can find a way to get it.

Mining the berms, is a possibility where I shoot, the problem is, if there's other shooters, I can't exactly ask for the range to go cold for a few hours.

IGF

GioaJack
09-18-2011, 18:21
Mining the berms, is a possibility where I shoot, the problem is, if there's other shooters, I can't exactly ask for the range to go cold for a few hours.

IGF


If you shoot at the same place and time Wisky does go ahead and walk downrange... you'll be the safest thing there. :whistling:


Jack

IndyGunFreak
09-18-2011, 20:16
If you shoot at the same place and time Wisky does go ahead and walk downrange... you'll be the safest thing there. :whistling:


Jack

Unfortunately Jack, my car is incapable of driving up hills, so I don't think I'd be able to make the trip to NC, to shoot w/ Wisky.. :)

WiskyT
09-18-2011, 20:19
If you shoot at the same place and time Wisky does go ahead and walk downrange... you'll be the safest thing there. :whistling:


Jack

I better myself by spending a few minutes on the eliptical machine and this is what I get while I'm gone.

oldseadog
09-19-2011, 12:46
Have Brother in law who works in auto tire store so i have a good source of wheel weights , also get old roof flashing and pipe from carpenter and plummer friends. For High power loads I doctor it up with tin and antiony and cold treat. Have a Lyman 4500 and about 30 different molds at last count. It turn into another fun hobby real quick.