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Colorado4Wheel
09-23-2011, 16:53
http://leeprecision.com/xcart/SM-LM-P-TROUGH-ASSEM-BLK.html

Not sure what to say about it. My LM worked fine except priming. IF this new priming setup works then that really changes the LoadMaster world.

I wonder if the primer is actually supported as it goes into the primer pocket or if it's just perched on top of the punch like in the past.

Wash-ar15
09-23-2011, 21:17
looks the same as the old one. what did they modify?

Colorado4Wheel
09-23-2011, 21:35
I don't know for sure. They describe it a little in that link.

Wash-ar15
09-23-2011, 22:44
I have not broken a slider in a long time. Never had much problem the the primer system either

skeeter7
09-24-2011, 07:10
I think I have only broken one primer slider and that was during the initial setup. My press has been running pretty well, no complaints here.

Colorado4Wheel
09-25-2011, 07:44
I never broke a slider either. Of course it didn't prime very well either. I am sure Lee didn't redesign the system for nothing.

Uncle Don
09-25-2011, 11:14
Based on posts of people having problems with the priming system, I suspect they were sendng out allot of primer sliders. I can't really tell what this one is doing that is different than the old.

Guess if I ever need one, that will be the only one available, but after bending the first two sliders, I figured out why it happend and haven't had a problem since.

Wash-ar15
09-25-2011, 11:30
I realized that after breaking a few of them, that its a timing issue. I redid everything according to the vids and its not had a bad slider since.
Now I've got about 10 of them sitting around with nothing to do.

PsychoKnight
09-30-2011, 18:16
I loved and hated my LM. I'm eager to find out what's going one with the new primer design. It probably won't help if a previously non-Lee user gets a new LM and describes it. Its gonna take somebody w/ past experience to properly explain the changes and critique if its a significant improvement.

I love my LnL AP, especially after all the mods I applied. But I'd buy a LM the minute I was convinced they fixed the primer issue and woul relegate the AP to a less often used caliber.

Colorado4Wheel
09-30-2011, 18:28
I actually would keep my 650. It's just too freaking good. But, and this is significant. If the LM primed properly I would recommend it with out reservation. That is the only problem I had. EVERYTHING else about that press was brilliant in it's simplicity. It was a great press besides that. You could even hook a Dillon Casefeeder to it and it would be like a little 1050.

WiskyT
10-01-2011, 05:32
I loved and hated my LM. I'm eager to find out what's going one with the new primer design. It probably won't help if a previously non-Lee user gets a new LM and describes it. Its gonna take somebody w/ past experience to properly explain the changes and critique if its a significant improvement.

I love my LnL AP, especially after all the mods I applied. But I'd buy a LM the minute I was convinced they fixed the primer issue and woul relegate the AP to a less often used caliber.

Just get a Pro1000. The only reason they came out with the LM is for marketing purposes. Dillon has big machines, Lee needed a big machine. Lee makes the FCD, Lee markets a machine that has a hole for it.

Three holes is plenty. The Pro1000 actually works. It costs half what the LM does. The Pro1000 aint no 650, but for what it does, and what it costs, it's a good deal.

Colorado4Wheel
10-01-2011, 07:02
So why does the Pro 1000 primer setup work while the LM is a pita. To me they look the same. Plus, I know plenty who hated the Pro 1000 primer setup as well.

Wash-ar15
10-01-2011, 09:27
I have both a pro k and a LM. I load 45acp on the pro and 9/40 on the LM. both work perfect on 45 and 40, but its a little sensitive on 9mm. I attribute it to the fact I do not sort my 9mm brass and the that lee uses 1 plate for 9/40. this allows the 9mm to move around slightly when priming. the last run I did I loaded 500 9mm and got 6-7 cocked primers. On 40 it maybe 1 per 1k. My 45 pro has never had any problems. I loaded 200rd just last night.

One thing I have found that causes a lot of problems in lee machines is the mounting. they must be mounted on a FIRM mount. my table is bolted to concrete so it does not move at all.

WiskyT
10-01-2011, 12:32
So why does the Pro 1000 primer setup work while the LM is a pita. To me they look the same. Plus, I know plenty who hated the Pro 1000 primer setup as well.

You have to operate the press slowly but steadily. My father, who was very handy and repaired very complicated power systems as an engineer for a living, couldn't run my P1000. He crushed every third primer. I crush maybe one out of a thousand. It takes a certain finesse.

I can't answer to any similarity regarding the LM because I've never seen one, but I think they are totally different. The P1000 is about as simple as it gets. It's a chute and a punch. The punch won't drop down to release a primer unless a case activates it. If you flail away on the handle, it will allow the case sensor to trip and feed a primer before it is ready. Then the plate rotates and knock the primer out of where it should be and it gets crushed.

My 650 never crushes primers, but for the $900.00 price difference, you can eat an awful lot of primers and still be way ahead of the game.

PsychoKnight
10-01-2011, 22:21
Just get a Pro1000. The only reason they came out with the LM is for marketing purposes. Dillon has big machines, Lee needed a big machine. Lee makes the FCD, Lee markets a machine that has a hole for it.

Three holes is plenty. The Pro1000 actually works. It costs half what the LM does. The Pro1000 aint no 650, but for what it does, and what it costs, it's a good deal.


If it was a four holer, or if I shot revolver rounds - but I like doing the seating and taper crimping separately too much to go back to a crimp-seater. Those Redding Comp dies are so smooth . . . (and expensive, but worth it)

fourrobert13
10-01-2011, 23:25
I had a LM and the Pro 1000 and on both presses the priming system blew up. Some how something got hung up, but I got no warning. Neither press hung up. All I got was a kaboom and several small cuts from the small explosions. The LM was fast when it ran right and if they did correct the problem, it would be a machine worth having. The Pro 1000 was ok, but you had to go slow with it. I like fast, so I got rid of both of them and went blue. Even if they fixed the issue though; I'll stick with my blue press. Just my take on it.

WiskyT
10-02-2011, 06:25
If it was a four holer, or if I shot revolver rounds - but I like doing the seating and taper crimping separately too much to go back to a crimp-seater. Those Redding Comp dies are so smooth . . . (and expensive, but worth it)

I don't get the hole crimp and seat in seperate stages thing. I've been reloading for 26 years, almost all with lead bullets, some with plated, and I see no difference in the ammo made with my 650 that crimps in a seperate step. If somebody figured out a way to make a two hole press, I'd buy that.

PsychoKnight
10-02-2011, 07:23
I don't get the hole crimp and seat in seperate stages thing. I've been reloading for 26 years, almost all with lead bullets, some with plated, and I see no difference in the ammo made with my 650 that crimps in a seperate step. If somebody figured out a way to make a two hole press, I'd buy that.

I don't see any difference either, nor can I measure it or discern any superiority in a finished round. Its all on principle. I don't like the idea of a snug object being squeezed as its being inserted. I like it squeezed after its all the way in. Reminds me of my younger days - but gotta keep this board classy. As long as I don't have to see those Lee balls on a toilet-chain-turned-necklace, I'm okay.

Uncle Don
10-02-2011, 09:53
I don't like the idea of a snug object being squeezed as its being inserted. I like it squeezed after its all the way in.

Actually, a properly set seater/crimper die does just that.

Colorado4Wheel
10-02-2011, 09:57
Logic says that as a bullet is being seated it's moving in the case. Logic says as a case is being deflared it's being pushed in. Unless you want to live with a little outward flare (very small amount) you have to push the case past perfectly straight to get it straight. This is due to the spring in most metals. If both are happening at once then setting up a seat/crimp die at the same time is going to be a little trickier. Especially with Moly and Lead.

WiskyT
10-02-2011, 10:26
I don't see any difference either, nor can I measure it or discern any superiority in a finished round. Its all on principle. I don't like the idea of a snug object being squeezed as its being inserted. I like it squeezed after its all the way in. Reminds me of my younger days - but gotta keep this board classy. As long as I don't have to see those Lee balls on a toilet-chain-turned-necklace, I'm okay.

First, forget classy when you come here. Every attempt to add class to this joint has been thwarted by the literary flatulance that emminates from higher elevations:whistling:

Theoretically, you have a point. But it's the practical apsect that matters IMO. In practice, the crimp occurs in such a short verticle movement that it doesn't matter.

bash
10-03-2011, 09:40
I've got the Pro 1000 and the Loadmaster. I spoke with Lee and they did re -design the primer system on the LM. I got one and it is better but.....it didn't solve my problems with the primig system. I'm still having troubles with it. I ate up about five of the sliders before I found the new one. I bought mine and loaded everything last fall and when I finished I took it off the bench and stored it. I got it out again two weeks ago to start my reloading again and it has never worked as well or right again. It's been a real PITA. It was so good when I first got it I was amazed. Now, I'd just like to start over. I'm calling Lee today again. Somethings got to be done to fix this! BTW, the 1000......no real problems.

Bash.

Wash-ar15
10-03-2011, 09:44
I've got the Pro 1000 and the Loadmaster. I spoke with Lee and they did re -design the primer system on the LM. I got one and it is better but.....it didn't solve my problems with the primig system. I'm still having troubles with it. I ate up about five of the sliders before I found the new one. I bought mine and loaded everything last fall and when I finished I took it off the bench and stored it. I got it out again two weeks ago to start my reloading again and it has never worked as well or right again. It's been a real PITA. It was so good when I first got it I was amazed. Now, I'd just like to start over. I'm calling Lee today again. Somethings got to be done to fix this! BTW, the 1000......no real problems.

Bash.

I would suggest you go to the lee site and readjust the priming system. I followed the instruction and completely redid everything and have not had a bad slider since.I realized that the LM priming system needs to be timed correctly. if the arm goes up too early, it breaks the sliders


BTW, did you have to buy the new one, or did they send it for free?

Colorado4Wheel
10-03-2011, 15:04
That new design is not very old. You can't replace just the slider any longer. At least thats how it sounds. You had the new design right??

Tpro
10-03-2011, 17:18
I don't think they are sending it to anyone for free. It's a $12.00 upgrade so it's not too bad. I think the results for it (at this time) are mixed.

bash
10-03-2011, 20:55
I got mine today and promptly blew it up! A dang primer (CCI large pistol magnum primer) went off in the press. I'll be cleaning that chair up tomorrow. :wow:

bash
10-05-2011, 06:51
I got as new on and it didn't last long. Have you ever had a Mahnum large pistol primer go off while reloading? Not fun! I ruined a good pair of shorts! He is what the new one lookes like after the primer accident.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/3940gallia/DSCN1737_1681.jpg

Colorado4Wheel
10-05-2011, 08:22
At least it didn't blow the entire string of primers up. Do you have a Blast Shield?

Bultx1215
10-06-2011, 20:24
I was considering getting the upgraded system....but now, priming off press is looking better and better. I did that when I first got the LM since I already had 500 or so primed already. It sure did go smoother, that is for sure.:dunno:

WiskyT
10-06-2011, 20:28
I was considering getting the upgraded system....but now, priming off press is looking better and better. I did that when I first got the LM since I already had 500 or so primed already. It sure did go smoother, that is for sure.:dunno:

Why would you prime off the press?

Bultx1215
10-06-2011, 20:32
Every time I have primed off press, there were no soiled shorts, no flipped primers and no hangups of any sort. :dunno: The LM works fine with everything but the priming for me.


Edit..the priming on press works about 50% with 9mm, and 90% for .45acp. It works, just not so well all the time.

WiskyT
10-06-2011, 20:37
Every time I have primed off press, there were no soiled shorts, no flipped primers and no hangups of any sort. :dunno: The LM works fine with everything but the priming for me.


Edit..the priming on press works about 50% with 9mm, and 90% for .45acp. It works, just not so well all the time.

I would get it working right before I dealt with all that depriming, priming and then running through a progessive press. It's like loading your ammo twice, once on a single stage, and once on a progressive.

Wash-ar15
10-07-2011, 07:53
I got mine today and promptly blew it up! A dang primer (CCI large pistol magnum primer) went off in the press. I'll be cleaning that chair up tomorrow. :wow:

it really sounds like the primer timing is off on your LM. I would suggest you go to the web site and follow the install vids and retime it.

Uncle Don
10-07-2011, 20:11
There is no doubt about it - if I had to prime off the press, I'd get something else in a hurry. Fortunately, I havn't had the priming issues with the LM that others seem to. It's an easy system to set and I'd be willing to bet about anything that the main problem is people trying to set it too deeply.

When that happens, the primer slider then must try and put the primer on an already rising priming pin. Set properly, it works as it's supposed to -

I do it without a turret in the press. First, I loosen the primer adjustment bolt and and raise it way up so it can't prime. Just put an empty primerd case in and rotate it to the priming station. Raise the ram and keep it there. Lower the primer adjustment bolt until it stops - then lower the ram and turn the bolt no more than a quareter turn lower and set it. Now, the priming pin will drive the primer into the case and just a tad more to make sure it's fully seated. It's done.

bash
10-08-2011, 19:15
They sent it to me free of charge. I like that price.:wavey: